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License for 2-way radio supporting both GMRS/FRS???
I just bought a 2-way radio that supports both GMRS and FRS:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000093IK8 I actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all. My question is: If I only use FRS, do I still need to apply for a license? When I placed the order, I was told: "GMRS channels require FCC license. ". I assume this means FRS channels do not require FCC license, unless the Amazon.com description is misleading. Please help me with this issue so that I can start to use my radio! Thanks! Thomas |
The FCC page at URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/family/ Will answer your questions Better to get it from the Horse's mouth rather than any guesses you may receive. Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you may want or need it. "thomas" wrote in message ... I just bought a 2-way radio that supports both GMRS and FRS: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000093IK8 I actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all. My question is: If I only use FRS, do I still need to apply for a license? When I placed the order, I was told: "GMRS channels require FCC license. ". I assume this means FRS channels do not require FCC license, unless the Amazon.com description is misleading. Please help me with this issue so that I can start to use my radio! Thanks! Thomas |
Thank you!
I read the official FCC text carefully. But I'm now even more confused: "If you operate a radio that has been approved exclusively under the rules that apply to FRS, you are not required to have a license. FRS radios have a maximum power of ? watt (500 milliwatt) effective radiated power and integral (non-detachable) antennas. If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license. GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas." If my radio has been approved under both FRS and GMRS, the text above **seems** to suggest that I may need a license. Can you or someone clarifies for me? The only reason I don't want to use GMRS is the license fee. The radio is very cheap even with GMRS support. Thomas "AMHAM73" wrote in message news:ysjKa.79947$Pc5.13298@fed1read01... The FCC page at URL: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/family/ Will answer your questions Better to get it from the Horse's mouth rather than any guesses you may receive. Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you may want or need it. "thomas" wrote in message ... I just bought a 2-way radio that supports both GMRS and FRS: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000093IK8 I actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all. My question is: If I only use FRS, do I still need to apply for a license? When I placed the order, I was told: "GMRS channels require FCC license. ". I assume this means FRS channels do not require FCC license, unless the Amazon.com description is misleading. Please help me with this issue so that I can start to use my radio! Thanks! Thomas |
If you operate a radio under the rules
that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, you better get a duck license. "thomas" wrote in message ... Thank you! I read the official FCC text carefully. But I'm now even more confused: "If you operate a radio that has been approved exclusively under the rules that apply to FRS, you are not required to have a license. FRS radios have a maximum power of ? watt (500 milliwatt) effective radiated power and integral (non-detachable) antennas. If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license. GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas." If my radio has been approved under both FRS and GMRS, the text above **seems** to suggest that I may need a license. Can you or someone clarifies for me? The only reason I don't want to use GMRS is the license fee. The radio is very cheap even with GMRS support. Thomas "AMHAM73" wrote in message news:ysjKa.79947$Pc5.13298@fed1read01... The FCC page at URL: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/family/ Will answer your questions Better to get it from the Horse's mouth rather than any guesses you may receive. Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you may want or need it. "thomas" wrote in message ... I just bought a 2-way radio that supports both GMRS and FRS: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000093IK8 I actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all. My question is: If I only use FRS, do I still need to apply for a license? When I placed the order, I was told: "GMRS channels require FCC license. ". I assume this means FRS channels do not require FCC license, unless the Amazon.com description is misleading. Please help me with this issue so that I can start to use my radio! Thanks! Thomas |
"thomas" wrote in message ...
Thank you! I read the official FCC text carefully. But I'm now even more confused: "If you operate a radio that has been approved exclusively under the rules that apply to FRS, you are not required to have a license. FRS radios have a maximum power of ? watt (500 milliwatt) effective radiated power and integral (non-detachable) antennas. If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license. GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas." If my radio has been approved under both FRS and GMRS, the text above **seems** to suggest that I may need a license. Can you or someone clarifies for me? The only reason I don't want to use GMRS is the license fee. The radio is very cheap even with GMRS support. Thomas Look - the GMRS feature on these radios is a USELESS GIMMICK. Forget about using those frequencies or getting a license for them. |
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:34:10 -0400, "thomas"
wrote: Thank you! I read the official FCC text carefully. But I'm now even more confused: "If you operate a radio that has been approved exclusively under the rules that apply to FRS, you are not required to have a license. FRS radios have a maximum power of ? watt (500 milliwatt) effective radiated power and integral (non-detachable) antennas. If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license. GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas." If my radio has been approved under both FRS and GMRS, the text above **seems** to suggest that I may need a license. Can you or someone clarifies for me? The only reason I don't want to use GMRS is the license fee. The radio is very cheap even with GMRS support. Thomas On FRS channels 8 - 14 the radio IS an FRS radio. You do not need a license to operate it on those channels. Mike |
The spec of my radio says: 1. "Output Power 500mW Conducted" 2. Antenna is
non-detachable. These conflicts with the FCC text: GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas. Also how can you interpret the verb "operate" in the FCC text? Doesn't the using of this word mean I can own but not operate? If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS You tried to divide the fee evenly. Actually I only use the radio several times a year. The per-use cost is high, as least for me. Thomas "Phil Kane" wrote in message om... On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:34:10 -0400, thomas wrote: I read the official FCC text carefully. But I'm now even more confused: "If you operate a radio that has been approved exclusively under the rules that apply to FRS, you are not required to have a license. FRS radios have a maximum power of ? watt (500 milliwatt) effective radiated power and integral (non-detachable) antennas. If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license. GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas." If my radio has been approved under both FRS and GMRS, the text above **seems** to suggest that I may need a license. Can you or someone clarifies for me? If it operates exclusively on the 14 FRS channels and is type certified as an FRS-only radio you do not need a license. If it operates on more than the 14 FRS channels (which are shared with the GMRS) it is not a FRS radio and you do need a GMRS license even if you operate it only on the FRS channels. It's that simple. &75 for a five year license = $15 per year, $1.25 per month, less than one large soft drink at the fast food place per month. Small Change. -- 73 de K2ASP/KAE9605 - Phil Kane Communications Attorney |
"thomas" wrote in message ...
Thank you! I read the official FCC text carefully. But I'm now even more confused: "If you operate a radio that has been approved exclusively under the rules that apply to FRS, you are not required to have a license. FRS radios have a maximum power of ? watt (500 milliwatt) effective radiated power and integral (non-detachable) antennas. If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license. GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas." The "FRS" channels were interstitial frequencies of the GMRS in the first place. That's why GMRS can still use them. Only a radio specifically designed for FRS applications may be used license free. Any other radio is GMRS and must be licensed. If my radio has been approved under both FRS and GMRS, the text above **seems** to suggest that I may need a license. Can you or someone clarifies for me? The only reason I don't want to use GMRS is the license fee. The radio is very cheap even with GMRS support. I agree with Phil...Pop for the GMRS license...One day you'll need it and it will save your bacon...Or at least save you from an FCC NAL! 73 Steve, K4CAP |
thank you for your information. I did write 24 hours ago and get no
response so far. Do I need to wait for 6 months or longer to get it if ever, normally? you are quite right -- if you have to pay the fee even though i don't use it, i would rather throw the device into trash cans. after all they are only $9.99 each, shipped! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000093IK8 thomas "AMHAM73" wrote in message news:exFKa.83220$Pc5.80258@fed1read01... Gee guys/gals -- he has so many OPINIONS that by now he is probably really confused. As I told him -- -- write the FCC and get an answer in written form and carry it along with the radio. E-Mail: It should be obvious the owner doesn't want to spring for the GMRS license fee -- even though he should. "Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message ... "thomas" wrote in message ... Thank you! I read the official FCC text carefully. But I'm now even more confused: "If you operate a radio that has been approved exclusively under the rules that apply to FRS, you are not required to have a license. FRS radios have a maximum power of ? watt (500 milliwatt) effective radiated power and integral (non-detachable) antennas. If you operate a radio under the rules that apply to GMRS, you must have a GMRS license. GMRS radios generally transmit at higher power levels (1 to 5 watts is typical) and may have detachable antennas." The "FRS" channels were interstitial frequencies of the GMRS in the first place. That's why GMRS can still use them. Only a radio specifically designed for FRS applications may be used license free. Any other radio is GMRS and must be licensed. If my radio has been approved under both FRS and GMRS, the text above **seems** to suggest that I may need a license. Can you or someone clarifies for me? The only reason I don't want to use GMRS is the license fee. The radio is very cheap even with GMRS support. I agree with Phil...Pop for the GMRS license...One day you'll need it and it will save your bacon...Or at least save you from an FCC NAL! 73 Steve, K4CAP |
"thomas" writes:
thank you for your information. I did write 24 hours ago and get no response so far. Do I need to wait for 6 months or longer to get it if ever, normally? The only time I sent an email to the FCC, it took a couple of weeks to get a reply. -- Philip Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed Legal Assistance on the Web | spam and read later. email to philip@ http://www.PhilipStripling.com/ | civex.com is read daily. |
"AMHAM73" writes:
It should be obvious the owner doesn't want to spring for the GMRS license fee -- even though he should. It should be obvious that some people don't want to let go of the "even though he should" part of your comment. He _should_ get the license to operate those radios. -- Philip Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed Legal Assistance on the Web | spam and read later. email to philip@ http://www.PhilipStripling.com/ | civex.com is read daily. |
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, AMHAM73 wrote:
The FCC page at URL: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/family/ Will answer your questions Better to get it from the Horse's mouth rather than any guesses you may receive. Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you may want or need it. ....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years.... |
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"Phil Kane" writes:
On 26 Jun 2003 11:01:01 -0700, Phil Stripling wrote: The only time I sent an email to the FCC, it took a couple of weeks to get a reply. Hey Phil - you know who to ask for things like that. Now that I have your email address! :-) -- Philip Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed Legal Assistance on the Web | spam and read later. email to philip@ http://www.PhilipStripling.com/ | civex.com is read daily. |
G. M. Alf writes:
With all that power super-gain antenna I don't want to take any chances. : ) I hesitate to post this, as it's about ham radio gain antennas, but it _is_ about a super-gain antenna, so I'll yield to temptation. ````````someone else's report```````````` Subject: Antenna Design Greetings from Tokyo and all the members of TIARA (Tokyo International Amateur Radio Association). I know I promised you a series of articles on Japanese amateur radio, but there is something so exciting I just have to take a break and tell you about it. It all started with the work that Ed Coan (AH7L/7J1AAE) did on antenna pattern plotting using his personal computer and the A-to-D converter in his FT-1000. The circular, and even backward antenna patterns of some of our local TIARA club members brought home the point that what a good station needs is a good antenna. Ed's antenna looks great and the results verify it. He works regular schedules into Colorado and Maine, just like sunspots don't mean anything. My mini-beam just could not compare. Well, I got to thinking about what we Tokyo apartment dwellers could do and realized that space is THE problem. How do you fit a full-sized beam on a balcony? Loading coils are the answer and the problem at the same time -- the antenna radiation resistance drops as reactance is substituted for length. High current loops develop and the power is dissipated in the antenna instead of being radiated. If only the antenna didn't dissipate the power. Hmmm....let's see, P=3DE2 /R; now if R were 0 then... From my work, I have some contacts in research groups over at Tokyo University. Better yet, I knew a Japanese ham that is a graduate student there. The thought running through my head was to build a super-conducting antenna. This requires cryogenics, i.e. temperatures around minus 279 degrees Centigrade. I was able get the university folks interested in the project and we built a 10-meter dipole test silicon wafer. They put together a lot of serial coils by "re-work" on the wafer; they were able to connect them so we had a super-conducting yagi. I took my TS-930 transceiver down to the lab for the first tests, but before we could test it, actual measurements showed it was resonant on 3.126 MHz. It seems that the normal equations for inductance don't work with super-conducting materials =97 you need a lot fewer turns to get the same results compared to room temperature. Many measurements and trials later, we had a ten-meter resonant wafer. This time we put a 40-element beam on each wafer and stacked 4 wafers in the same assembly. That made a 160-element array on 10-meters in less than a half-foot cube (15 cm3). The first test didn't go too well. I connected my TS-930 to the super-conducting wafer antenna and tuned it for 10 meters. At room temperature, we couldn't hear anything. Using a heat pump, the lab technicians started lowering the antenna's temperature toward the super-conducting region. I was really impressed by how small the equipment is, and started thinking it might all fit in the shack. Just then, the TS-930 froze solid, which had a negative effect on its operating characteristics. This wouldn't be so easy after all; the coax connection would need some study! We reworked the wafers to put inductive coupling on them, but I could find no way to efficiently couple to it from the conducting array. Fortunately the lab technicians came up with a new ceramic material that passed RF but not heat. Probably, something that Kyocera invented just for this use. I sent the TS-930 to the ham shop in Akihabara and asked them to touch it up for me. My friend Suzuki-San, JH1WWC (store manager at the ham shop), asked exactly how the paint had been peeled off around the coax connector -- lightning maybe? No, I assured him -- just low temperature exposure, without saying how low the temperatures were. The project had to stay secret and besides, Suzuki-San can repair anything! Since it looked like it might be a while before the TS-930 would be repaired, I brought out my TS-940. I had already placed an order for a Yaesu FT-1000 anyway. After verifying that in the super-onducting range the antenna was resonant on 10-meters, we connected the TS-940. The ceramic material worked and the rig operated well as we began the cooling cycle. The band seemed dead even with the antenna at -150 degrees C. It took another 10 minutes to get to the super-conducting range -- then the TS-940 blew up. It seems our antenna had a bit more gain than the TS-940 front-end could take. Later measurements showed 500 volts coming out of the coax. A little hard to believe, but then what do I know about cryogenic LSI antenna technology? The TS-940 was also returned to Suzuki-San, but this time he frowned a bit -- the front-end board did look like it had been hit by lightning. Not to worry, Suzuki-San can repair anything! The FT-1000 arrived just in time to be able to continue experiments. We built a QSK attenuator to protect the receiver. With the LSI wafer antenna still inside the lab, we decided to try to make a contact on 10-meters. What a shock when we got it working! The first thing we heard was a couple of W2's talking locally on 10 meters and that was with 80 dB of attenuation. We had the antenna array on a rotatable mount; I moved it about a half-degree and the W2's disappeared. What beam width! We tuned them in again, and they were just about to sign off, so we thought we would try to work them. The rig was tuned up at 50 watts on a dummy load; we switched in the wafer antenna and gave N2BA a call. The noise was unbelievable -- an ionized ray shot out from the antena and hit the wall of the building. Before we knocked a hole in the band, we took a piece out of the lab wall! Ever wonder what an antenna pattern looks like in three dimensions? There was a oval hole in the wall of the lab -- about 1-cm high by 2-cm wide. We cut power quickly. N2BA came back on frequency a few minutes later and said he was using his back-up rig; something had taken his main rig off the air. For some reason, the station he was talking to never came back, so we decided not to transmit again until we knew for sure what was going on. As near as we can tell, the antenna array has 620-dB gain over a dipole, but with a beamwidth of 0.75 degrees using the 60-dB points. With 50 watts output, the effective radiated power is 55 quadrillion watts at the center of the beam (5.5 with 13 zeroes). As soon as the University realized what we had built, the entire project was taken away from us and turned over to the Japanese Self-Defense Force. Amateur radio "tinkering" has contributed to something, but I am not exactly sure what. I haven't the slightest idea what was in those wafers or how to build another set. Do you think someone may be interested in this idea for Star Wars/SDI?? What I'd give to use a much smaller set in the next CQ World Wide Contest! A few months later, the University contacted all of us and asked just how close we had been to the antenna when operating. As best as I can figure, we were in the null behind the array. From what has been said so far, it looks like a secondary use for our antenna may be as a mass sterilizer, but confirmation will have to await the results of our medical tests. If our antenna ever hits the market, it looks like remote operation may be desirable. As I am writing this, I have been informed that my friend Suzuki-San can't fix everything after all. He's written off the TS-930 and TS-940, and I just found out that before the university terminated the project, they tried one more time with my FT-1000, but without the 100-dB attenuator to protect the receiver. Its front-end now matches the 940's and it looks like it will be a while before I am on the air again. ``````````end of someone else's report```````````` I'm sorry to say the reporter never specifies if he's using dBi. -- Philip Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed Legal Assistance on the Web | spam and read later. email to philip@ http://www.PhilipStripling.com/ | civex.com is read daily. |
Do they perform as well as the FRS only radio's? They do look small enough.
"G. M. Alf" wrote in message ... On 25 Jun 2003 18:16:28 -0700, (stewart) wrote: Look - the GMRS feature on these radios is a USELESS GIMMICK. Forget about using those frequencies or getting a license for them. I just renewed my GMRS license (for the second time) so I could use my new T4500. With all that power super-gain antenna I don't want to take any chances. : ) Mike |
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:16:02 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:
Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you may want or need it. ....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years.... The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at the supermarket once a month...... I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my waistline appreciated it, too..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
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I meant the Kenwood UBZ-LH14.
Mike |
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Phil Kane wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:16:02 GMT, D. Stussy wrote: Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you may want or need it. ....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years.... The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at the supermarket once a month...... I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my waistline appreciated it, too..... But the FCC wants it all at once, not amortized over time. |
"Dick Carroll;" writes:
Phil Stripling wrote: I hesitate to post this After reading it I can see why. Date it April 1. Oh, sorry -- I didn't realize I had to say it was a hilarious joke. :- Forgot what groups it's posted to. -- Philip Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed Legal Assistance on the Web | spam and read later. email to philip@ http://www.PhilipStripling.com/ | civex.com is read daily. |
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:53:57 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:
The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at the supermarket once a month...... I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my waistline appreciated it, too..... But the FCC wants it all at once, not amortized over time. As my dentist once said - take up the question of time payments with your bank. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Phil Kane wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:53:57 GMT, D. Stussy wrote: The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at the supermarket once a month...... I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my waistline appreciated it, too..... But the FCC wants it all at once, not amortized over time. As my dentist once said - take up the question of time payments with your bank. Did he also confirm the existence of The Tooth Fairy? :-) |
On 28 Jun 2003 15:54:55 -0700, stewart wrote:
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message m... Only a radio specifically designed for FRS applications may be used license free. Any other radio is GMRS and must be licensed. Bull****. Yes,. "stewart", the rest of your diatribe sure is. There are MANY FRS/GMRS hybrids on sale at Wal-Mart, K-Mart, etc. That is true, You CAN use them on the FRS freqs without a license. That is not true. Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do understand the law. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane A real communications lawyer who deals in these interpretations for a living |
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:31:47 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:
But the FCC wants it all at once, not amortized over time. As my dentist once said - take up the question of time payments with your bank. Did he also confirm the existence of The Tooth Fairy? :-) He was the opposite = you left money under the pillow and he put an extracted tooth in its place.... ggg -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:30:24 GMT, G. M. Alf wrote:
Here is text from the Motorola Users Manual for the T4500: "The FCC requires that all operators using General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) frequencies obtain a radio license before operating their equipment." I have two questions about this: (1) FRS channels 8 - 14 are not GMRS frequencies. Would not the above strongly infer that use of those channels do not require a license? 95.194 (FRS Rule 4) FRS units. (a) You may only use an FCC certified FRS unit. (You can identify an FCC certified FRS unit by the label placed on it by the manufacturer.) The above rule does not say that a GMRS radio may be used on FRS frequencies. Only FRS radios are allowed. That is true on FRS Channels 8-14. (2) Does this not infer that a hybrid radio can only be an FRS radio on FRS channels 8 - 14? If the "hybrid" radio is type certified as a FRS radio AND a GMRS radio (FCC type certification, not the manufacturer's advertising claim) then it can be used on FRS channels 1-14 without a GMRS license or on any GMRS channel in the radio with a GMRS license. Again the Commission screwed up by interleaving a licensed service with a non-licensed service. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
"Phil Kane" wrote in message . com...
Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do understand the law. Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about. |
On 29 Jun 2003 09:19:27 -0700, Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do understand the law. Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about. Go ahead...Let's see YOUR interpretation of the law, then let's hear from the fella who helped to WRITE those laws! I wonder who has the better understanding...?!?! Well, no, not really, but it will be fun to watch you flail about trying! It's always fun to see the uninformed flail about before those of us who enforce or interpret radio regulations every day.... -- 73 de K2ASP / KAE8605 - Phil Kane |
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...
stewart wrote: "Phil Kane" wrote in message . com... Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do understand the law. Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about. Yeah, Phil....don't try to throw reality or legality into The Stew. He's most unaccustomed to all that. Idiots. Quit cross-posting about issues that you Morse throwbacks know NOTHING about. It is bad enough that you morons argue ENDLESSLY trying to salvage what's left of the archaic Morse regulations... but when your BS starts to spill over into other groups, your confusing, narrow-minded negativism is totally unhelpful.... but, I suppose THAT'S what you folks are ALL ABOUT, right? - Stewart |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2003, stewart wrote:
"Phil Kane" wrote in message . com... Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do understand the law. Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about. Like you do? Your history of posts (on RRAP) clearly shows that you do not. Go play with your MURS radios and leave FRS alone. |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2003, stewart wrote:
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... stewart wrote: "Phil Kane" wrote in message . com... Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do understand the law. Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about. Yeah, Phil....don't try to throw reality or legality into The Stew. He's most unaccustomed to all that. Idiots. Quit cross-posting about issues that you Morse throwbacks know NOTHING about. It is bad enough that you morons argue ENDLESSLY trying to salvage what's left of the archaic Morse regulations... but when your BS starts to spill over into other groups, your confusing, narrow-minded negativism is totally unhelpful.... but, I suppose THAT'S what you folks are ALL ABOUT, right? Stop obsessing on that which you know nothing of. Anyway, Stewart, you are the idiot that insisted on posting the FRS/GMRS crap here - even though it is "Class A CB" and therefore belongs on "rec.radio.cb", and your MURS crap which has NO appropriate place because we all know it is NOT a legitimate radio service, but a manufacturer's mistake that the FCC bought into. Regardless, not everyone here remains in favor of Morse Code. If there were a "codeless extra" available, then I might have one! That's how little I use morse code. Unfortunately, my license history ruins that - it shows that I have at least 13WPM (having held an Advanced class from 1993 to 2000). :-( Personally, I find it antiquated, but it may come in handy in a "survival situation" where a canibalized radio is no longer capable of voice comms. -- Stewart: Your refrigerator is running; better go catch it. All the "cold" may escape! |
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:38:27 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2003, stewart wrote: "Phil Kane" wrote in message . com... Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do understand the law. Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about. Like you do? Your history of posts (on RRAP) clearly shows that you do not. Go play with your MURS radios and leave FRS alone. Dieter - don't waste your time talking to a jackass who knows nothing about radio regulatory matters and refuses to learn from those who do. We're getting nowhere with him - time to break the link. 30. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
I beleive it's 1/3.7ths of a gallon. The large bottle of pop/soda.
Dan "Barry OGrady" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:28:30 GMT, "Phil Kane" wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:16:02 GMT, D. Stussy wrote: Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all". Why not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day you may want or need it. ....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years.... The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at the supermarket once a month...... What's a liter? I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my waistline appreciated it, too..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane -Barry ======== Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information. Voicemail/fax number +14136227640 |
"D. Stussy" wrote in message
FCC Licensing Information Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies. Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies. Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC. Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605. The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.] Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual? Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the shared FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to "1-14 FRS, 15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it? |
On 1 Jul 2003 18:00:42 -0700, Ryan wrote:
Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the shared FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to "1-14 FRS, 15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it? Not at all. It's very plain. You said it clearly. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
On Wed, 1 Jul 2003, Ryan wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote in message FCC Licensing Information Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies. Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies. Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC. Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605. The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.] Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual? Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the shared FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to "1-14 FRS, 15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it? In the case of my radio, it's 500mW regardless of service (i.e. even on GMRS, it's 500mW). |
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Dick Carroll; wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote: On Wed, 1 Jul 2003, Ryan wrote: "D. Stussy" wrote in message FCC Licensing Information Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies. Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies. Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC. Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605. The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.] Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual? Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the shared FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to "1-14 FRS, 15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it? In the case of my radio, it's 500mW regardless of service (i.e. even on GMRS, it's 500mW). But that 500mw will get you 5 miles on GMRS but only 2 on FRS! Now isn't it interesting that the 5 MHz difference (462 vs 467) makes such a distance difference..... :-) |
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