Renewed my license "on-line", only took 4 Hours
 

Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

Dan/W4NTI

"Arnie Macy" wrote in message
...
I went to the FCC ULS site the other day and renewed my license online.
Since I have dial-up, it took three hours to download the software and
another hour to post the information once I entered it. Sheesh. Well, at
least I don't have to do that but once every ten years. :-))

Arnie -
KT4ST

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.

"JJ" wrote ...

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.

Thanks, I'll remember that in ten years (grin)

Arnie -
KT4ST

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if your not
a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?

I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if your not
a member.

Dan/W4NTI

"JJ" wrote in message
...


Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.

"JJ" wrote ...

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?


Just a note. Got my new license in the mail today.

Arnie -

JJ wrote in :



Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if
your not a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?


Because if you are on dial-up it is very difficult to use the free service

"Alun Palmer" wrote ...

Because if you are on dial-up it is very difficult to use the free service

__________________________________________________ ______________

Exactly -- and that was the point of my original post. It took an awfully
long time to get through the form using dial-up. Not exactly user friendly
at all.

Arnie -
KT4ST

Alun Palmer wrote:
JJ wrote in :



Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if
your not a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?



Because if you are on dial-up it is very difficult to use the free service

Print the form out from the site, fill it out, mail it in. Very
simple only for the cost of postage.

Well DUH! So it isn't FREE through the AARL either or are you
saying the ARRL will pick up the fee for renewing a vanity call
sign? Yea right. Renewing a non-vanity call license is FREE if you
do it directly with the FCC.

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Sorry...ain't so. Vanity calls require a payment.

Dan/W4NTI

"JJ" wrote in message
...


Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if your

not

a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?

Sorry...ain't so. Vanity calls require a payment.

Dan/W4NTI

"JJ" wrote in message
...


Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if your
not
a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?

No I didn't say the ARRL would pick up the fee for a vanity call. You
insinuated that.

And stop being such a smart ass. If you want we can trade smart assed
remarks back and forth. But I really don't feel like it.

Dan/W4NTI

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Well DUH! So it isn't FREE through the AARL either or are you
saying the ARRL will pick up the fee for renewing a vanity call
sign? Yea right. Renewing a non-vanity call license is FREE if you
do it directly with the FCC.

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Sorry...ain't so. Vanity calls require a payment.

Dan/W4NTI

"JJ" wrote in message
...


Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if
your

not

a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.

Wrong. For license renewals filed via the [ARRL's] volunteer examiner program
by non-ARRL members, a processing fee is still supposed to be applied. Some VE
teams do not enforce this.

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if your not
a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?

1) Because they don't have the time (and don't realize it only takes 5 minutes)?
2) Because they're computer illiterate?
3) Because they're stupid?

I consider #2 above to be the only semi-valid reason (and semi-valid only
because they can often get help or a friend who is literate to do it for them).

If #1 is the reason, then when do they even operate?
If #3 is the reason, then how did they get a license in the first place?

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Alun Palmer wrote:
JJ wrote in :
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if
your not a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?

Because if you are on dial-up it is very difficult to use the free service

BS. I use dial-up and it took me 2 minutes about 2 months ago.

Now, if one were to try to renew via a chain of 300 baud HF TCP/IP packet radio
links, then timeouts would become an issue. :-)

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Sorry...ain't so. Vanity calls require a payment.

3 more years before that happens....

And those type of remarks, except in a few certain cases, yield no positive
results either, except in the mind of the one making the remarks.


--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
--. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-.
... --. .... - . .-. ...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
(snippage)

And stop being such a smart ass. If you want we can trade smart assed
remarks back and forth. But I really don't feel like it.

Dan/W4NTI

D. Stussy wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.


Wrong. For license renewals filed via the [ARRL's] volunteer examiner program
by non-ARRL members, a processing fee is still supposed to be applied. Some VE
teams do not enforce this.

Where did I state anything about renewing through the ARRL?
License renewal is FREE to any licensed amateur, you don't have to
belong to the ARRL or any other ham radio organization to renew
you license for FREE directly with the FCC.

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

I have a dial-up 56k and it took over 4 hours.
The Java software had to load, then it took another hour to send the info
and confirm my renewal. If you already had the software on your system,
then that could account for the speed.

Last time I had to modify my license (change of address, late 1999), I had only
dialup access.

So I just downloaded Form 605 and instructions, read the instructions, printed
a copy of the 605, filled it out, stuck it in a stamped envelope addressed to
the FCC. New license showed up in the mail a week or two later. No special
software, no headaches.

Twenty minutes tops, start to finish.

73 de Jim, N2EY

WWHD

Careful you will be the next 'smart ass'.

Dan/W4NTI

"D. Stussy" wrote in message
rg...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.

Wrong. For license renewals filed via the [ARRL's] volunteer examiner
program
by non-ARRL members, a processing fee is still supposed to be applied.
Some VE
teams do not enforce this.

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Arnie Macy wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote ...

BS. I use dial-up and it took me 2 minutes about 2 months ago.
__________________________________________________ __________________________
_

Your experience, NOT mine. I have a dial-up 56k and it took over 4 hours.
The Java software had to load, then it took another hour to send the info
and confirm my renewal. If you already had the software on your system,
then that could account for the speed.

Then your phone line has issues. The only way that could take 4 hours is if
the download takes at least three, which means that your effective baud rate
was just about 2,400.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Careful you will be the next 'smart ass'.

Why? He asked about the ARRL's policy regarding renewals. I answered. I am
an ARRL VE and therefore know what the policy is. What's so "smart ass" about
that? I gave a straightforward answer. Don't get ****ed because you were
wrong.

"D. Stussy" wrote in message
rg...
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.

Wrong. For license renewals filed via the [ARRL's] volunteer examiner
program by non-ARRL members, a processing fee is still supposed to be
applied. Some VE teams do not enforce this.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:
D. Stussy wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, JJ wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Another reason to join the ARRL. For members license renewal is FREE.

License renewal if FREE to any licensed amateur, ARRL membership
is not necessary.


Wrong. For license renewals filed via the [ARRL's] volunteer examiner program
by non-ARRL members, a processing fee is still supposed to be applied. Some VE
teams do not enforce this.

Where did I state anything about renewing through the ARRL?
License renewal is FREE to any licensed amateur, you don't have to
belong to the ARRL or any other ham radio organization to renew
you license for FREE directly with the FCC.

Context: Your reply clearly referred to a quoted reply which talked about
renewals VIA the ARRL.

Alun Palmer wrote:
JJ wrote in :



Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I don't think that is correct 'jj'. I believe there is a charge if
your not a member.

License renewal is FREE, any amateur can renew FREE directly with
the FCC, you don't need to go through the ARRL, W5YI, or anyone
else. Why pay someone else (either directly or through ARRL dues)
for something that is very simple and one can do themselves for FREE?



Because if you are on dial-up it is very difficult to use the free service

Just print out the forms you need, fill them out and mail them in.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 05:44:26 -0400, Arnie Macy wrote:

That could very well have been. Normally, it runs very close to the
56k and downloads are fairly quick (for a dial-up), but there are days
I notice a definite decrease in speed. Overall, though. I prefer
paying the 9 bucks a month for dial-up opposed to the 40 plus bucks
for cable.

You forgot to add in the cost of a second phone line for the dial-up
(I keep my LAN on line 24/7), which used to be $26 per month. That
put the cable only ten bucks ahead of the dial-up and the extra
speed sure was worth that.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

Phil Kane wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:38:32 -0400, Arnie Macy wrote:

I don't use a second line for my modem. I have online answering, so if I
"really" want to take the call I will.

That never worked here. And as I said, I kept the system on line
24/7 because of real-time updating the home office workstation to
and from the office server and instant e-mail connection.

As you know, Arnie, when HQ calls they expect you to be there on
the other end. I thought that I was finished with that when I
retired from the Feds but my private-practice clients expected no
less.

That said, I was never all that
impressed with the difference in speed -- other than for downloads. Regular
surfing, NGs etc are close to the same for my system.

You apparently never had to download massive files. I frequently
had to download 150-300 MB worth of data bases or operating
system updates from IBM - "fixpacks" which are cumulative even
though only 10-20 MB of files are changed in each round.

The difference between "56K" running at 40K and the near-T1 speed of
a cable modem download has to be seen to be appreciated. It makes
the difference between doing it overnight or doing it while I go
get a cold drink from the 'fridge.

I just finished reading a news article about how a new online scam is using
computers that stay online with broadband connections as host servers to serve
porn rings. The scammers download their webpages to your computer and then direct
users to your machine instead of theirs. Helps them dodge ID and shutdown by
their own ISP's. Meanwhile it's all transparent to the computers owners.
Evidently this is something new or just now being recognized.
It says one should use a firewall to prevent it all.....

"Phil Kane" wrote ...

As you know, Arnie, when HQ calls they expect you to be there on the other
end. I thought that I was finished with that when I retired from the Feds
but my private-practice clients expected no less. You apparently never had
to download massive files. I frequently had to download 150-300 MB worth of
data bases or operating system updates from IBM - "fixpacks" which are
cumulative even though only 10-20 MB of files are changed in each round.
The difference between "56K" running at 40K and the near-T1 speed of a cable
modem download has to be seen to be appreciated. It makes the difference
between doing it overnight or doing it while I go get a cold drink from the
'fridge.
__________________________________________________ ________________________

I agree with what you are saying, Phil. I don't download large files very
often, so it's not a real issue for me. As to getting calls from higher
higher, that's what pagers are for :-))

Arnie -