"Hans K0HB" wrote in
news:8951605be0ad1dbd7f68d241525766fc.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org: "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote . the insistence on using "wetware" instead of software to do the decoding is an anomaly of ham radio. This "do it the hard way, rather than the smart way" approach to things that is held by so many hams leads to stagation, backwardness, etc. Carl, You seem to have moved positions from "the Morse test ought to be dropped" to "operators who use Morse code are stagnant and backward". I agree with the first position, but the second position is inflamatory, divisive, and not supported by a shred of evidence. With all kind wishes, de Hans, K0HB If he had said that merely Larry and dick were stagnant and backward, would that have been better? |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com... "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Dwight Stewart writes: Instead, both seem to be saying code is no longer a necessary radio skill since so few radio operators outside ham radio use it today. That's another argument entirely. Of course hams DO use Morse code quite a lot. It's a mystery why what is done in other radio services should count more than what hams do, when it comes to figuring out the requirements for an amateur license. This position relates to the basis and purpose of Amateur Radio (97.1a, 97.1c, and 97.1d). Opinions vary. Actually the fact that other services don't use it very much is a strong argument to require hams to learn it. This is the place to preserve the skill in case of need and to prevent this capability from becoming a lost art. Plus of course the fact that quite a few hams do use it. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, why does it have to be a requirement that hams learn it? An analogy to your thought above could be: Doctors should have to be required to know how to use Shaman medicine in case of need and to prevent this capability from becoming a lost art. (The analogy works if one believes that alternative medicine works--and I do). But, you see what I mean, right? There are groups, societies if you will, that take up and preserve the CW mode. FISTS comes to mind. There are great guys/gals, long-licensed amateurs, who love to share the skill with others and who will teach it at only the slightest provocation. There are EmCom "chiefs" who recognize the capability of increased communication benefits when using CW. The list goes on. Get rid of CW testing. If the mode is all that it is said to be, it will stand on its own. If it doesn't stand on its own, then adapt and adjust. Kim W5TIT |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... The credo of emergency preparedness is the same as the Boy Scout's Motto "Be prepared." HAVE backup power source(s), backup equipment, and backup operators available ... have a well-thought out PLAN for a wide range of scenarios. DON'T rely on cobbling together a Morse rig from scraps and running it from a generator powered by a hamster running on a wheel. Ok show me the calculation that predicts the duration of a power outage. Then we'll all know how many generators to have and how much gasoline to stockpile. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Oh, goodness, just a few car batteries... Kim W5TIT |
"Hans K0HB" wrote in message news:8951605be0ad1dbd7f68d241525766fc.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote . the insistence on using "wetware" instead of software to do the decoding is an anomaly of ham radio. This "do it the hard way, rather than the smart way" approach to things that is held by so many hams leads to stagation, backwardness, etc. Carl, You seem to have moved positions from "the Morse test ought to be dropped" to "operators who use Morse code are stagnant and backward". Hans, I said "... held by so many hams ..." Clearly, there are folks who are not Morse enthusiasts who also hold to the "do it the hard way, rather than the smart way" idea ... and not all Morse enthusiasts hold to that idea. I certainly did NOT intend to imply that all, or even most, folks who like Morse are stagnant and backward ... many Morse enthusiasts do lots of other things and are progress-minded (quite a few are NCI members who have sent me e-mail saying "I like Morse a LOT, in fact it's my primary operating mode, but the test just doesn't make sense any more.") 73, Carl - wk3c |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message y.com... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... The credo of emergency preparedness is the same as the Boy Scout's Motto "Be prepared." HAVE backup power source(s), backup equipment, and backup operators available ... have a well-thought out PLAN for a wide range of scenarios. DON'T rely on cobbling together a Morse rig from scraps and running it from a generator powered by a hamster running on a wheel. Ok show me the calculation that predicts the duration of a power outage. Then we'll all know how many generators to have and how much gasoline to stockpile. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Oh, goodness, just a few car batteries... Kim W5TIT Ok, show me the calculation that predicts the duration of the power outage so I can calculate how many car batteries to keep charged up and on hand. The principal is the same no matter what power source you choose to specify. No one can predict when, where or how long emergency power will be needed. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dick Carroll wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: "Dick Carroll" wrote in message ... Bill Sohl wrote: You are (IMHO) clearly not up to the task of recruiting new hams by proactively advocating CW use. Just as I would have skipped learning the code if it hadn't been a licensing requirement, too. So much for your advocacy of morse to new hams. You made my point. Bill you have been quite consistant about missing the entire point. When there is no code test most hams won't learn Morse code. I know that taxes you not a bit, so that means that you don't care whether or not hams will be losing it as a viable mode. Which shows how shortsighted you are, right along with the rest of NCI. And yes, FCC too. Of course they have far bigger fish to fry than to worry about a trivial detail involving the ARS. The least time they must spend on ARS issues the better for them, whatever the end result. I don't think there is any point missed at all. I think that those who oppose the test know very well that elimination of the test will eventually eliminate use. Strange that there are many things people do which are long past relative to modern needs (archery, old cars, etc.) without any testing needed to continue interest in and to bring newcomers to the interest. IF morse dies without testing then that's a sad commentary on "how great it is" as promoted by PCTAs in this newsgroup. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Dick Carroll" wrote in message ... JJ wrote: Dick Carroll wrote: JJ wrote: Dick Carroll wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: You are (IMHO) clearly not up to the task of recruiting new hams by proactively advocating CW use. Just as I would have skipped learning the code if it hadn't been a licensing requirement, too. Then what is your problem with the fact that some have a no-code license and possibly the code requirement will be dropped? Goodness, if code testing were not a requirement and you skipped learning the code, then you would not be a "real" ham. Evidently you skipped code or you'd have some idea what ham radio would/will be without it. NO? no surprise, coming from you. That leaves you clueless, but we already knew that. Hate to burst you bubble Dickie, but I sat in front of an FCC examiner in the Dallas office and took my code test. If that's true it would seem reasonable that you would be aware that a ham who can operate a radiotelegraph station is better qualified than one who cannot. So why aren't youi? The ONLY aspect that the ham can claim is that s/he is better qualified at CW. The other, non-CW hams may be far superior hams than the coded ham in all the other aspects of ham radio operation and technical. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message y.com... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... The credo of emergency preparedness is the same as the Boy Scout's Motto "Be prepared." HAVE backup power source(s), backup equipment, and backup operators available ... have a well-thought out PLAN for a wide range of scenarios. DON'T rely on cobbling together a Morse rig from scraps and running it from a generator powered by a hamster running on a wheel. Ok show me the calculation that predicts the duration of a power outage. Then we'll all know how many generators to have and how much gasoline to stockpile. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Oh, goodness, just a few car batteries... Kim W5TIT Ok, show me the calculation that predicts the duration of the power outage so I can calculate how many car batteries to keep charged up and on hand. The principal is the same no matter what power source you choose to specify. No one can predict when, where or how long emergency power will be needed. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Oh, duh....gads, Dee, it's late! I'm sorry... I just plain believe in the philosophy of trying to be as prepared as I can--and I don't even get that far very often. Being prepared takes some measure of organization and I lack on that part. Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message
... The ONLY aspect that the ham can claim is that s/he is better qualified at CW. The other, non-CW hams may be far superior hams than the coded ham in all the other aspects of ham radio operation and technical. Cheers, Bill K2UNK And it seems to me that non-CW hams would be far superior to CW-hams, with things such as phone nets, QSOs, etc. Oh wait, I think you already said that. . . But, you know what? It doesn't even feel good feeling superior. Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
Bill Sohl wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dick Carroll wrote: Bill Sohl wrote: "Dick Carroll" wrote in message ... Bill Sohl wrote: You are (IMHO) clearly not up to the task of recruiting new hams by proactively advocating CW use. Just as I would have skipped learning the code if it hadn't been a licensing requirement, too. So much for your advocacy of morse to new hams. You made my point. Bill you have been quite consistant about missing the entire point. When there is no code test most hams won't learn Morse code. I know that taxes you not a bit, so that means that you don't care whether or not hams will be losing it as a viable mode. Which shows how shortsighted you are, right along with the rest of NCI. And yes, FCC too. Of course they have far bigger fish to fry than to worry about a trivial detail involving the ARS. The least time they must spend on ARS issues the better for them, whatever the end result. I don't think there is any point missed at all. I think that those who oppose the test know very well that elimination of the test will eventually eliminate use. Strange that there are many things people do which are long past relative to modern needs (archery, old cars, etc.) without any testing needed to continue interest in and to bring newcomers to the interest. IF morse dies without testing then that's a sad commentary on "how great it is" as promoted by PCTAs in this newsgroup. Because there is the difference between a cheerful anachronism, and what will eventually be considered a waste of bandwidth. I can keep an old car in my garage without affecting anyone.but bandwidth is another matter. But let us look at this scenario. Say 15 years from now, there will be s aizable number of hams who have never used a paddle or key. There will be new hams taking up CW, but without an incentive, like a Morse code test, that number will likely fall somehat percentage wise (it has to if the No-coders are correct in that good hams are kept off the air by the code test) So these hams look at the bandplans: "Wow! just look at 80 meters. Fully half the bandplan is dedicated to stuff other than SSB! It's unfair that they should have all that bandwidth." And a bandwidth grab begins...... Doesn't matter that there are still CW users out there. "And heck, they are always bragging about how little bandwidth they use, so only give them a minimum abount if anything." - Mike KB3EIA - |
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