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Radio Amateur KC2HMZ July 15th 03 07:17 AM

On 15 Jul 2003 03:04:32 -0700, (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)
wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Get real. Any astronaut is required to perform many, many tasks as
part of their job...and that job is to be space crewfolk first, not "hams."
Getting a no-code tech ham license is an easy task for them...do it
once and a federal merit badge callsign is theirs to keep for a decade
plus two or a shuttle burns up on reentry...whichever comes first.


Oops...that's gonna getcha flamed.

An astronaut/ham's license is renewable for the life of the
astronaut/ham. So is any other ham's license. Once a ham becomes a
silent key, responsibility for licensing him or her passes to a higher
authority (who is a ham and has just bestowed the ultimate license
upgrade to the newly deceased - the privileges are unparallelled, but
the licensing requirements are rather steep - although no
demonstration of Morse proficiency is required, the written test is
reputed to be a real killer). However, the reference to shuttles
burning up on reentry was a poor choice of words.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 15th 03 11:04 AM

How Ugly Can One Creep Be?
 
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Get real. Any astronaut is required to perform many, many tasks as
part of their job...and that job is to be space crewfolk first, not "hams."
Getting a no-code tech ham license is an easy task for them...do it
once and a federal merit badge callsign is theirs to keep for a decade
plus two or a shuttle burns up on reentry...whichever comes first.


Leonard H Anderson, you are truly one of the most callous,
cowardly and unrepetantly ugly people to ever enter USENET or any
other public forum.

HOW DISGUSTING can one human being be...?!?!

What a piece of work. Truly deserving of every ugly epithet I
can think to "laud" you with and more. There hasn't been a prfanity
created to adequately "describe" just how cold and disgusting that
comment was.

"Scumbag" is an understatment. "Putz" only scratches the top.

You try to embellish your own "reputation" on the graves of
American KIA's, then you completely disgrace and humilate the graves
of seven men and women who, regardless of nationality, died what can
only be assumed to have been a horrific death in the pursuit of
science

What an utterly foul, irrelevent and truly puny shadow of a human
being you are. When YOUR death comes, I can only hope that, unlike
those seven brave souls, that it is long, lingering and painful, and
that you remain sufficiently aware of your circumstances to appreciate
it all.

Creep.

Steven J Robeson
Winchester, TN

Len Over 21 July 15th 03 08:48 PM

In article ,
(Steamy the Garbage Man) wrote in a fit of distemper:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Get real. Any astronaut is required to perform many, many tasks as
part of their job...and that job is to be space crewfolk first, not

"hams."
Getting a no-code tech ham license is an easy task for them...do it
once and a federal merit badge callsign is theirs to keep for a decade
plus two or a shuttle burns up on reentry...whichever comes first.


Leonard H Anderson, you are truly one of the most callous,
cowardly and unrepetantly ugly people to ever enter USENET or any
other public forum.


Gosh, you'd better write AOL post-haste and have me banished!

HOW DISGUSTING can one human being be...?!?!


Now now, quit looking in the mirror when posting, okay?

What a piece of work. Truly deserving of every ugly epithet I
can think to "laud" you with and more. There hasn't been a prfanity
created to adequately "describe" just how cold and disgusting that
comment was.


Go for it, garbageman. Exhaust your entire collection of epithets
and cursewords. It may do you good psychologically...you surely
aren't getting any professional help on your distemper tantrums.

"Scumbag" is an understatment. "Putz" only scratches the top.


Oy gevalt! Dey got a shtetl in TN? :-)

You try to embellish your own "reputation" on the graves of
American KIA's, then you completely disgrace and humilate the graves
of seven men and women who, regardless of nationality, died what can
only be assumed to have been a horrific death in the pursuit of
science


Tsk, tsk, tsk. No end to your hatred and disgust, is there?

What an utterly foul, irrelevent and truly puny shadow of a human
being you are. When YOUR death comes, I can only hope that, unlike
those seven brave souls, that it is long, lingering and painful, and
that you remain sufficiently aware of your circumstances to appreciate
it all.

Creep.


There ya go, Dr. Killgore, ER hero and role-model for medical
professionals the world over!

You MUST learn not to stick your hand in the Sharps box so much.

You should take up a nice, restful hobby...maybe stamp collecting.
You can always lick stamps whenever you want...you can't lick your
newsgroup opponents with curses and wishes for death.

Remember that "9 ounces" works both ways...ready on the left?
Ready on the right? Ready on the firing line? You have 20 seconds.

Now take those meds like a good patient...

LHA

Len Over 21 July 15th 03 09:49 PM

In article , ospam
(Extra class Paratransit Operator Sir Larry Roll)
scribbled in a vain attempt at syncophancy:

In article ,

(Steamy Garbageman) writes:

Get real. Any astronaut is required to perform many, many tasks as
part of their job...and that job is to be space crewfolk first, not

"hams."
Getting a no-code tech ham license is an easy task for them...do it
once and a federal merit badge callsign is theirs to keep for a decade
plus two or a shuttle burns up on reentry...whichever comes first.


Leonard H Anderson, you are truly one of the most callous,
cowardly and unrepetantly ugly people to ever enter USENET or any
other public forum.


Lennie:

That WAS totally uncalled for. Your present and future credibility: ZERO.


Poor baby. You don't understand that ALL astronauts have faced that
possibility since manned spaceflight began. That is the unfortunate
REALITY of present-day manned spaceflight.

Well, we know that you can't stand reality.

HOW DISGUSTING can one human being be...?!?!


Steve:

Unfortunately, I think our Lennie has just set a new threshold on
"disgusting."


Yes, failure to love, cherish, honor and obey morse code is terms
for contempt by you, Roll. No problem.

If you see a chance to slam a no-coder by standing on the garbage-
man's shoulders, go for it! [and you did!]

What a piece of work. Truly deserving of every ugly epithet I
can think to "laud" you with and more. There hasn't been a prfanity
created to adequately "describe" just how cold and disgusting that
comment was.


None that can be posted here, anyway.


Why not? Is the mighty morseman offended by those who do not
love, cherish, honor and obey morse code?

If thine eye offend thee, cast it out.


We don't know that the deaths of the Columbia (or Challenge) crews wasn't
long, lingering, and painful. They may have been well conscious long
enough to know they were doomed, and had nothing to do to prevent it.
Unfortunately, wishing the same on Lennie won't do, either. Lennie has
proven himself to be beyond contempt. Don't fall into the same pit he did.


Roll, you large bag of fat wind, you've never worked on ANY space
project, NEVER shook hands with any astronaut and look them in the
eye (I did...John Young is a nice, quiet sort, not very tall...Bob Crippen
is taller, more outgoing...both rode the air-drop Enterprize as well as
the first STS manned spaceflight). They understood the risks they
were taking. By STS 51J the press and public had colored your
thinking such that spaceflight was all just a safe, jolly jaunt in space.
You've never known anything about manned spaceflight so you project
your fantasies as if they were final judgement. You know NOTHING
about any high-tech human endeavor.

You want very much to "identify" with things you've never participated
in, talk about it like you were really "there" but you never were. You've
never done any military 24/7 radio communications nor any civilian
professional radio communications and you feel "superior" in both
morals and ethics over all "no-coders."

If you want to be a syncophant to the Garbageman, go right ahead.
When anyone wants an ideal role-model for the US Amateur Extra
radio amateur, they can always go to you or the Garbageman. :-)

LHA

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 16th 03 01:42 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
ospam
(Extra class Paratransit Operator Sir Larry Roll)
scribbled in a vain attempt at syncophancy:

In article ,

(Steamy Garbageman) writes:

Get real. Any astronaut is required to perform many, many tasks as
part of their job...and that job is to be space crewfolk first, not

"hams."
Getting a no-code tech ham license is an easy task for them...do it
once and a federal merit badge callsign is theirs to keep for a decade
plus two or a shuttle burns up on reentry...whichever comes first.

Leonard H Anderson, you are truly one of the most callous,
cowardly and unrepetantly ugly people to ever enter USENET or any
other public forum.


Lennie:

That WAS totally uncalled for. Your present and future credibility: ZERO.


Poor baby. You don't understand that ALL astronauts have faced that
possibility since manned spaceflight began. That is the unfortunate
REALITY of present-day manned spaceflight.

Well, we know that you can't stand reality.


THIS is reality: You're the singularly most disgusting scumbag I
have ever had the misfortune of "meeting". You're callous, selfish,
and most of all one hateful shell of a human being.

HOW DISGUSTING can one human being be...?!?!


Steve:

Unfortunately, I think our Lennie has just set a new threshold on
"disgusting."


Yes, failure to love, cherish, honor and obey morse code is terms
for contempt by you, Roll. No problem.


No, Scumbag, don't een TRY to shift this to anything even
remorely tied to Amateur Radio, let alone Morse Code. This is about
how UGLY and SCURRILOUS one person can get.

If you see a chance to slam a no-coder by standing on the garbage-
man's shoulders, go for it! [and you did!]

What a piece of work. Truly deserving of every ugly epithet I
can think to "laud" you with and more. There hasn't been a prfanity
created to adequately "describe" just how cold and disgusting that
comment was.


None that can be posted here, anyway.


Why not? Is the mighty morseman offended by those who do not
love, cherish, honor and obey morse code?


This isn't about Morse Code, Scumbag. It's about the callousness
of your "reentry" comments.

If thine eye offend thee, cast it out.


You shouldn't tempt me, Scumbag.

We don't know that the deaths of the Columbia (or Challenge) crews wasn't
long, lingering, and painful. They may have been well conscious long
enough to know they were doomed, and had nothing to do to prevent it.
Unfortunately, wishing the same on Lennie won't do, either. Lennie has
proven himself to be beyond contempt. Don't fall into the same pit he did.


Roll, you large bag of fat wind, you've never worked on ANY space
project, NEVER shook hands with any astronaut and look them in the
eye (I did...John Young is a nice, quiet sort, not very tall...Bob Crippen
is taller, more outgoing...both rode the air-drop Enterprize as well as
the first STS manned spaceflight).


I got ya beat by a handful, including one Senator Astronaut.

They understood the risks they
were taking. By STS 51J the press and public had colored your
thinking such that spaceflight was all just a safe, jolly jaunt in space.
You've never known anything about manned spaceflight so you project
your fantasies as if they were final judgement. You know NOTHING
about any high-tech human endeavor.


So that allows you to make such heinous comments? You "shook
hands" with some astronauts and swept the floors for a couple of space
contractors, now you have carte blanche to be sadistic at their
expense?

You want very much to "identify" with things you've never participated
in, talk about it like you were really "there" but you never were. You've
never done any military 24/7 radio communications nor any civilian
professional radio communications and you feel "superior" in both
morals and ethics over all "no-coders."

If you want to be a syncophant to the Garbageman, go right ahead.
When anyone wants an ideal role-model for the US Amateur Extra
radio amateur, they can always go to you or the Garbageman. :-)


Nice try, SCUMBAG. This was the event that will bury any chance
you ever had of being accepted in ANY Amateur Radio venue.

Get your correspondence course shrink wife to explain it to you.

Steve Robeson

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 16th 03 01:48 PM

Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..

However, the reference to shuttles
burning up on reentry was a poor choice of words.


You have to understand the liar behind the postings, John.
Leonard H Anderson is one of the most prolific, hateful, spite-filled
pathological liars to ever darken USENET.

That he can even consider, let alone publish, the hateful and
just plain mean-spirited trash he just let out and then try to
"justify" it in some Morse Code related rhetoric is absoulety
shameful.

I thought his attempts to embellish his Army "career" record by
assosciating himself with Soldiers who died 3 years before he was even
sworn in was disgusting.

Lennie puts the "scum" in scumbag, that's for sure.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 16th 03 02:30 PM

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...

Steve:

Unfortunately, I think our Lennie has just set a new threshold on "disgusting."


To say the least. This creep makes me nauseous.

What a piece of work. Truly deserving of every ugly epithet I
can think to "laud" you with and more. There hasn't been a prfanity
created to adequately "describe" just how cold and disgusting that
comment was.


None that can be posted here, anyway.


I could, but I won't. Scumbag and putz will have to do.

"Scumbag" is an understatment. "Putz" only scratches the top.

You try to embellish your own "reputation" on the graves of
American KIA's, then you completely disgrace and humilate the graves
of seven men and women who, regardless of nationality, died what can
only be assumed to have been a horrific death in the pursuit of
science

What an utterly foul, irrelevent and truly puny shadow of a human
being you are. When YOUR death comes, I can only hope that, unlike
those seven brave souls, that it is long, lingering and painful, and
that you remain sufficiently aware of your circumstances to appreciate
it all.


We don't know that the deaths of the Columbia (or Challenge) crews wasn't
long, lingering, and painful. They may have been well conscious long
enough to know they were doomed, and had nothing to do to prevent it.
Unfortunately, wishing the same on Lennie won't do, either. Lennie has
proven himself to be beyond contempt. Don't fall into the same pit he did.


I imagine that except for the sudden bullet to the brain we all
have some brief moment when we realize that "this is it".

I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been
like...strapped in, fire all around and knowing it was all ovr but the
dying.

How ANY human being with a shred of decency could have made the
disgusting, callous and thoughtless comment Lennie did is beyond me.

What a creep.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 17th 03 12:05 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Steamy the Garbage Man) wrote in a fit of distemper:


"Distemper"..?!?! That's cute.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Get real. Any astronaut is required to perform many, many tasks as
part of their job...and that job is to be space crewfolk first, not

"hams."
Getting a no-code tech ham license is an easy task for them...do it
once and a federal merit badge callsign is theirs to keep for a decade
plus two or a shuttle burns up on reentry...whichever comes first.


Leonard H Anderson, you are truly one of the most callous,
cowardly and unrepetantly ugly people to ever enter USENET or any
other public forum.


Gosh, you'd better write AOL post-haste and have me banished!


If it would work, I would. I am not as low-down as you, Lennie,
and I can bear up far more graciously than you can to examination.

HOW DISGUSTING can one human being be...?!?!


Now now, quit looking in the mirror when posting, okay?


I am not the one who needs to hide behind KIA's or make vile
comments about American Astronauts, Scumbag...That's YOUR schtick.

What a piece of work. Truly deserving of every ugly epithet I
can think to "laud" you with and more. There hasn't been a prfanity
created to adequately "describe" just how cold and disgusting that
comment was.


Go for it, garbageman. Exhaust your entire collection of epithets
and cursewords. It may do you good psychologically...you surely
aren't getting any professional help on your distemper tantrums.


I am not the one who needs them, Lennie. How's your
correspondence school trained wife take this...Living with a creep who
hides behind skirts and lies?

"Scumbag" is an understatment. "Putz" only scratches the top.


Oy gevalt! Dey got a shtetl in TN? :-)

You try to embellish your own "reputation" on the graves of
American KIA's, then you completely disgrace and humilate the graves
of seven men and women who, regardless of nationality, died what can
only be assumed to have been a horrific death in the pursuit of
science


Tsk, tsk, tsk. No end to your hatred and disgust, is there?


For you? No. It's an embarrasment to me as a Veteran to have
creeps like you who can use the Constitution as a cloak for such
behaviour. That you can further abuse it to defile the memory of
those seven brave souls who died on Columbia is horrific.

What an utterly foul, irrelevent and truly puny shadow of a human
being you are. When YOUR death comes, I can only hope that, unlike
those seven brave souls, that it is long, lingering and painful, and
that you remain sufficiently aware of your circumstances to appreciate
it all.

Creep.


There ya go, Dr. Killgore, ER hero and role-model for medical
professionals the world over!

You MUST learn not to stick your hand in the Sharps box so much.

You should take up a nice, restful hobby...maybe stamp collecting.
You can always lick stamps whenever you want...you can't lick your
newsgroup opponents with curses and wishes for death.

Remember that "9 ounces" works both ways...ready on the left?
Ready on the right? Ready on the firing line? You have 20 seconds.

Now take those meds like a good patient...


Nice try...still comes way short of the mark. Your die is cast,
Lennie, and it says "LOSER" all over it.

Get shrinky-poo to give you an hour of couch time tonight, if she
can stand the stench.

LHA


(L)ying (H)am-baiting (A)ntagonist.

Steve Robeson

Len Over 21 July 17th 03 01:44 AM

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

An astronaut/ham's license is renewable for the life of the
astronaut/ham. So is any other ham's license. Once a ham becomes a
silent key, responsibility for licensing him or her passes to a higher
authority (who is a ham and has just bestowed the ultimate license
upgrade to the newly deceased - the privileges are unparallelled, but
the licensing requirements are rather steep - although no
demonstration of Morse proficiency is required, the written test is
reputed to be a real killer). However, the reference to shuttles
burning up on reentry was a poor choice of words.


As to your last sentence, John, you would be right only in discounting
certain individuals in here.

This thread got started by one who is obsessed with throwing any kind
of garbage at myself for the slightest reason...or as manufactured
garbage through the use of inference, misdirection, or outright
malicious quoting out of context.

As one who has been IN the aerospace industry and actually worked
ON spaceflight hardware (including man-rated), I'm in the category of
ardent fans of the overall effort and certain honor the men and women
who have been chosen as astronauts...and cosmonauts.

A problem with the ordinary public is that they consider space flight
"safe," just like a long plane ride. It is most definitely NOT so. Every
single manned flight is a high-risk activity. That it has appeared safe
for many successful flights is due largely to thousands of non-astronauts
who did the engineering, design, fabrication of the vehicles and payloads.
The public is largely ignorant of them...at best only knowing the ones
around consoles at the MSFC Mission Control room.

Still, each and every space flight is not without risk today. The tragedy
of Columbia proved that very unfortunately. Back when Grissom, White,
and Chaffee lost their lives in a ground capsule test fire for Apollo, I was
working on unmanned space flight payloads...every single one of us in
the clean room were saddened on hearing of the event. At that same
facility earlier, some of us saw the unedited film of the Gemini-Agena
docking flight, the one where a stuck-open manuevering thruster caused
a high-rate double degree of freedom rolling. Command pilot Neil
Armstrong managed to shut it down, but not before the roll rate had
gotten very severe. Armstrong and David Scott could have perished on
that flight but managed to manuever just enough to splashdown in the
Pacific well away from the intended landing site.

Five astronauts and one cosmonaut (Yuri Gagarin) died in aircraft
flights. "Ordinary" air flight is supposed to be safe...but it is not
without
risk. Of the seven who died in Challenger (STS-51J), few know the
names of the major crew. Judith Resnick is honored by the IEEE
(she was a member) by having her name on an award. It was to be
Judy's second mission in space...also commander Scobee and
specialist Onizuka. Challenger never reached outer space, exploding
a mere 73 seconds after lift-off.

Before you get involved in castigating someone, consider carefully who
started this thread and the manner in which it was written. Like tens of
thousands of others, I honor ALL the names of men and women who
have gone in space...even those who have joined the space endeavor
knowing full well what their risks are.

Leonard H. Anderson
retired (from regular hours) electronic engineer person

Larry Roll K3LT July 17th 03 04:51 AM

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:


How ANY human being with a shred of decency could have made the
disgusting, callous and thoughtless comment Lennie did is beyond me.


Steve:

That is beyond the comprehension of *any* decent human being!

What a creep.


Indeed.

73 de Larry, K3LT


Larry Roll K3LT July 17th 03 04:51 AM

In article ,
(Brian) writes:


There can be no doubt that you experience psychosomatic illness when
you expose yourself to Len's comments. Your reactions are quite
severe. It would be prudent to stop reading them.


Brian:

That's good advice -- and "Kim" could be just as easily substituted for
"Len."

73 de Larry, K3LT


Brian July 17th 03 05:05 AM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..

However, the reference to shuttles
burning up on reentry was a poor choice of words.


You have to understand the liar behind the postings, John.


The shuttle didn't burn up upon reentry? SOB! Those damned
media-biased jerks pulled a fast one on us again, huh? Wait till
Wayne Greene hears about this!!!

Leonard H Anderson is one of the most prolific, hateful, spite-filled
pathological liars to ever darken USENET.


Yer Damned Right!

That he can even consider, let alone publish, the hateful and
just plain mean-spirited trash he just let out and then try to
"justify" it in some Morse Code related rhetoric is absoulety
shameful.


Lies! All Damned Lies! That lowlife SOB. If I ever get my Hands...

I thought his attempts to embellish his Army "career" record by
assosciating himself with Soldiers who died 3 years before he was even
sworn in was disgusting.


Some Army units have a history. Patch on the left arm, patch on the
right arm stuff. You just wouldn't understand being a CAP Bigshot and
all. Go talk to Kelley, he's got real military experience and all
that. He'll get you turned around in a hurry.

Lennie puts the "scum" in scumbag, that's for sure.


Scum of the worst kind. Lying and all that about the Shuttle
tradgedies.

Jeez Us H !!!

So anyway, Steve, where is NASA hiding the atronauts? I mean, you
said that awful SOB Len was lying about it, right? They're on
Ascension Island handing out 40,000+ United Nations QSOs on Raytheon
HF gear or what? Right?

Riiight?

RIIIIGHT???

------

Steve, get a grip. Go seek counseling. I don't know how to say this,
so I'll just say it straight up. There really was another space
shuttle tradgedy. Len wasn't lying. Do a search on the New York
Times or something. The truth will set you free.

73, Brian

(Len, sorry to defame you in the above "Tuff Love" series. It was
beyond necessary - he needs more help than I can provide, but I
tried.)

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 17th 03 01:47 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

An astronaut/ham's license is renewable for the life of the
astronaut/ham. So is any other ham's license. Once a ham becomes a
silent key, responsibility for licensing him or her passes to a higher
authority (who is a ham and has just bestowed the ultimate license
upgrade to the newly deceased - the privileges are unparallelled, but
the licensing requirements are rather steep - although no
demonstration of Morse proficiency is required, the written test is
reputed to be a real killer). However, the reference to shuttles
burning up on reentry was a poor choice of words.


As to your last sentence, John, you would be right only in discounting
certain individuals in here.


Nice try at wiggling your way out of the corner you backed
yourself into with that vile and demeaning slur about the Columbia
astronauts.

You only look more disgusting than what you are.

This thread got started by one who is obsessed with throwing any kind
of garbage at myself for the slightest reason...or as manufactured
garbage through the use of inference, misdirection, or outright
malicious quoting out of context.


"Out of context"...?!?!

No obsession was needed to take offense at your cold-hearted
slash at the Columbia crew.

As one who has been IN the aerospace industry and actually worked
ON spaceflight hardware (including man-rated), I'm in the category of
ardent fans of the overall effort and certain honor the men and women
who have been chosen as astronauts...and cosmonauts.


Obviously not, or you wouldn't have made such a scurrilous
comment.

A problem with the ordinary public is that they consider space flight
"safe," just like a long plane ride. It is most definitely NOT so. Every
single manned flight is a high-risk activity. That it has appeared safe
for many successful flights is due largely to thousands of non-astronauts
who did the engineering, design, fabrication of the vehicles and payloads.
The public is largely ignorant of them...at best only knowing the ones
around consoles at the MSFC Mission Control room.


So this makes it OK for Leonard H. Anderson to suggest that dying
on re-entry is OK...

Still, each and every space flight is not without risk today. The tragedy
of Columbia proved that very unfortunately. Back when Grissom, White,
and Chaffee lost their lives in a ground capsule test fire for Apollo, I was
working...(SNIP)


Yadayadayadayda. None of it believeable.

Before you get involved in castigating someone, consider carefully who
started this thread and the manner in which it was written. Like tens of
thousands of others, I honor ALL the names of men and women who
have gone in space...even those who have joined the space endeavor
knowing full well what their risks are.


You "honor" no one save yourself, Lennie. Never have...never
will. If John takes it upon himself to investigate what kind of
person you really are, he'll find out what we already know to be
true...that you are an untrustworthy, documented pathological liar
whose only reason for being here is the promulgation of hate, discord
and deceit.

Steve Robeson

Brian July 17th 03 07:56 PM

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:


There can be no doubt that you experience psychosomatic illness when
you expose yourself to Len's comments. Your reactions are quite
severe. It would be prudent to stop reading them.


Brian:

That's good advice -- and "Kim" could be just as easily substituted for
"Len."

73 de Larry, K3LT


I don't think Mrs Anderson goes that way, nor Kim's husband.

Larry Roll K3LT July 18th 03 03:58 AM

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Brian:

That's good advice -- and "Kim" could be just as easily substituted for
"Len."

73 de Larry, K3LT


I don't think Mrs Anderson goes that way, nor Kim's husband.


Now, talk about two long-suffering people! Mrs. Anderson and Mr. Walker
surely must be headed for sainthood!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 18th 03 09:18 AM

(Brian) wrote in message . com...

You called Len a liar. You were wrong. Be strong and face up to it.


Brian, Lennie IS a liar in more ways than one.

In this case he's an insensitive creep who used a horrific
tragedy to try and "make a point" about Amateur Radio licensing and
the "Ham in Space" program.

I am not wrong. His track record of pathological mistruths is
clear and well documented. In this there is no error.

That you so adamantly support and defend him can only mean that
YOU support lying and insensitivity as legitimate forms of
communication. That makes YOU as equally disgusting and foul as
he...perhaps even more so since his conduct may be due to some mental
health abboration and yours MUST be a voluntary choice of actions.

No, Brain...No need for me to "face up to it" here. Lennie has
created the path he's following. That you choose to drop in behind
him only means you LIKE the stench and the reputation of being
associated with a liar and a creep.

That's for YOU to "face up to".

Steve Robeson, K4YZ

Brian July 18th 03 02:06 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...

You called Len a liar. You were wrong. Be strong and face up to it.


Brian, Lennie IS a liar in more ways than one.


How many ways are there to be a liar?

In this case he's an insensitive creep who used a horrific
tragedy to try and "make a point" about Amateur Radio licensing and
the "Ham in Space" program.


Being insensitive is called "being insensitive," not lying.

I am not wrong. His track record of pathological mistruths is
clear and well documented. In this there is no error.


You are clearly wrong.

Did the shuttle tragedy not occur? Have the astronauts not perished?

That you so adamantly support and defend him can only mean that
YOU support lying and insensitivity as legitimate forms of
communication.


Ahh. I disagree with you and so I now support lying?

Now you're wrong again.

That makes YOU as equally disgusting and foul as
he...perhaps even more so since his conduct may be due to some mental
health abboration and yours MUST be a voluntary choice of actions.


Typical liberal tactic.

No, Brain...


It's "Brian."

No need for me to "face up to it" here.


But there is. You're delusional, and it's time to get a grip.

Lennie has
created the path he's following.


He would have to be ahead of himself to create that path.

That you choose to drop in behind
him only means you LIKE the stench and the reputation of being
associated with a liar and a creep.


Is that what it means?

That's for YOU to "face up to".

Steve Robeson, K4YZ


I'm sure you have a nice health plan working as a nurse. Go get some help.

Brian July 18th 03 02:09 PM

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

However, the reference to shuttles
burning up on reentry was a poor choice of words.


Do you think?

73 de Larry, K3LT


Larry, there's another fella on here who used to use a whole lot of
"poor choice of words."

Brian

Kim W5TIT July 19th 03 01:36 AM

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Brian:

That's good advice -- and "Kim" could be just as easily substituted for
"Len."

73 de Larry, K3LT


I don't think Mrs Anderson goes that way, nor Kim's husband.


Now, talk about two long-suffering people! Mrs. Anderson and Mr. Walker
surely must be headed for sainthood!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Yep, that really looks ham radio related to me, Larry...NOT. Gosh, I didn't
even have to do a search to prove you wrong.

Kim W5TIT


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Posted via
news://freenews.netfront.net
Complaints to

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 19th 03 05:35 AM

(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...


Being insensitive is called "being insensitive," not lying.


I don't know what's worse...An callous putz like Lennie who makes
light of people who died a horrific death, or a milktoast pantywaist
putz such as yourself who tries to defend him.

But I guess you both fill a need...If it weren't for the callous,
the insensitive and the dishonest, what would we have to gauge the
rest of society by...?!?! We need creeps like the two of you to
appreciate the sensitive, the thoughtful and honest by.

I am not wrong. His track record of pathological mistruths is
clear and well documented. In this there is no error.


You are clearly wrong.


I am sure you'd like to think so. I am not.

Did the shuttle tragedy not occur? Have the astronauts not perished?


It did. It does NOT negate the fact that Lennie used it in a
disgusting manner to "make a point" over something completely
unrelated, nor does it negate the fact that he's a documented
pathological liar.

That you so adamantly support and defend him can only mean that
YOU support lying and insensitivity as legitimate forms of
communication.


Ahh. I disagree with you and so I now support lying?


It's not "disagree(ing)" with me, Brain...It's trying to defend
Lennie that does that.

Now you're wrong again.


Nope. You defend Lennie's use of mistruth and callous
insensitivities. That makes you part-and-parcel of his misdeeds.
Some game of "Follow the Leader" you play, Brain.

That makes YOU as equally disgusting and foul as
he...perhaps even more so since his conduct may be due to some mental
health abboration and yours MUST be a voluntary choice of actions.


Typical liberal tactic.


I am quite a long-ways away from being "liberal" anything.

No, Brain...


It's "Brian."


Whatever.

No need for me to "face up to it" here.


But there is. You're delusional, and it's time to get a grip.


Facts are facts, and the facts are you are trying to defend the
indefensible. Now who's delusional?

Lennie has
created the path he's following.


He would have to be ahead of himself to create that path.


Not when you're just going around in circles. Lennie does that
well. It's one of the few things he DOES do well.

That you choose to drop in behind
him only means you LIKE the stench and the reputation of being
associated with a liar and a creep.


Is that what it means?


Fraid so.

That's for YOU to "face up to".


I'm sure you have a nice health plan working as a nurse. Go get some help.


I am not the one defending a documented pathological liar and
insensitive creep. That's your schtick, for whatever reason you feel
it appropriate.

You've shown your colors here, Brain. Thanks for making my point
for me...Again.

Steve, K4YZ

Brian July 19th 03 01:15 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...


Being insensitive is called "being insensitive," not lying.


I don't know what's worse...An callous putz like Lennie who makes
light of people who died a horrific death, or a milktoast pantywaist
putz such as yourself who tries to defend him.


Oh, gee, what could be worse?

Maybe you need to call in some help to make that big decision. Maybe
they'll help you get back on your meds.

And quit reading Len's posts. They obviously have an ruinous effect
on you.

Radio Amateur KC2HMZ July 19th 03 08:31 PM

On 17 Jul 2003 03:51:55 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)
wrote:

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

However, the reference to shuttles
burning up on reentry was a poor choice of words.


Do you think?


I was trying to be nice about it.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ
I transmit...er, I mean, I think, therefore I am.


Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 19th 03 09:59 PM

(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Being insensitive is called "being insensitive," not lying.


I don't know what's worse...An callous putz like Lennie who makes
light of people who died a horrific death, or a milktoast pantywaist
putz such as yourself who tries to defend him.


Oh, gee, what could be worse?


Being a rapist...child molester...spousal abuser...

Maybe you need to call in some help to make that big decision. Maybe
they'll help you get back on your meds.


You and Lennie keep insisting on this. I am sure you wish it were
true, but it seems it's your only "defense" against being held up to
public scrutiny for your own shortcomings.

It doesn't work. The problem is that you and Leonard are you own
worst enemies. The virtual slapping around you take in this forum is
fueled by your own ramblings.

And quit reading Len's posts. They obviously have an ruinous effect
on you.


I don't tolerate liars, nor do I tolerate the callous and rude.
Lennie is all of that, and you "defend" him...So guess where that
leaves you?

Steve, K4YZ

Brian July 20th 03 02:34 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Being insensitive is called "being insensitive," not lying.

I don't know what's worse...An callous putz like Lennie who makes
light of people who died a horrific death, or a milktoast pantywaist
putz such as yourself who tries to defend him.


Oh, gee, what could be worse?


Being a rapist...child molester...spousal abuser...


You said you didn't know what was worse with respect to me, so now
you're calling me a "rapist...child molester...spousal abuser...?"

Merely because I think you grossly overreact to each and every post
Len makes?

Maybe you need to call in some help to make that big decision. Maybe
they'll help you get back on your meds.


You and Lennie keep insisting on this.


Steve, it's the only logical conclusion one could draw from your
insane postings.

I am sure you wish it were
true,


It obviously is.

but it seems it's your only "defense" against being held up to
public scrutiny for your own shortcomings.


You are the Avenging Angel of rrap?

It doesn't work.


Then apparently you have not been diagnosed by a licensed
professional. See if you can get some dealer samples at least.

The problem is that you and Leonard are you own
worst enemies. The virtual slapping around you take in this forum is
fueled by your own ramblings.


I think the "slapping around" that I take is from wacko's such as
yourself, and it would be forthcoming simply because I disagree with
you. Some, such as DICK and Kelly, range from merely curt replies to
rude name calling. You're off the scale.

And quit reading Len's posts. They obviously have an ruinous effect
on you.


I don't tolerate liars, nor do I tolerate the callous and rude.


I don't see you attacking WA8ULX. You believed his story of how he
tested for Extra, and he is callous and rude.

Lennie is all of that, and you "defend" him...So guess where that
leaves you?


So far, I haven't defended Len. I merely said that you were wrong
about the shuttle tragedy. It really did occur. And I've suggested
that you refrain from reading Len's posts in the hope that you'll be
able to sleep at night.

Now you imply that I'm a rapist...

Get some help.

73, Brian

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 20th 03 07:18 PM

(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...


Oh, gee, what could be worse?


Being a rapist...child molester...spousal abuser...


You said you didn't know what was worse with respect to me, so now
you're calling me a "rapist...child molester...spousal abuser...?"

Merely because I think you grossly overreact to each and every post
Len makes?


I am sure you do, considering your nose is so far up his 6
o'clock orifice, I am sure you have to blow your nose every time he
passes wind.

Maybe you need to call in some help to make that big decision. Maybe
they'll help you get back on your meds.


You and Lennie keep insisting on this.


Steve, it's the only logical conclusion one could draw from your
insane postings.


Brain, there is noting "logical" about lying and callous
indiscretion that you and your buddy favor. Your other attempts to
twist what was clearly said in archived posts is likewise illogical.

I am sure you wish it were
true,


It obviously is.


To you, perhaps. But then it seems it's just you and Lennie in
one corner and everyone else in the other. Even those who also favor
your basic views on Code testing do their best to distance themselves
from you and Lennie.

Don't you wonder why?

but it seems it's your only "defense" against being held up to
public scrutiny for your own shortcomings.


You are the Avenging Angel of rrap?


Do YOU think I am? Then I must be. Otherwise, I am just another
Amateur licensee who doesn't like some lookie-loo making irresponsible
and untruthful statements about something of which I have first hand
knowledge.

It doesn't work.


Then apparently you have not been diagnosed by a licensed
professional. See if you can get some dealer samples at least.


There's nothing to be "diagnosed", Brain.

Other than my unwillingness to let go of Lennie's tail, no one
can argue with the validity of MY statements, nor can they deny the
arrogance and inaccuracies of Lennie's...And yours, for that matter.

The problem is that you and Leonard are you own
worst enemies. The virtual slapping around you take in this forum is
fueled by your own ramblings.


I think the "slapping around" that I take is from wacko's such as
yourself, and it would be forthcoming simply because I disagree with
you. Some, such as DICK and Kelly, range from merely curt replies to
rude name calling. You're off the scale.


I am sure you think I am. But then you also can't delineate the
difference between "authorization" and "acceptance", nor can you
validate any of the assertions you've made vis-a-vis your "credit" as
a "DX" operator.

Many people here disagree with me, and I they...but the basic
fiber of the exchanges don't degrade to this point because we can
agree to disagree. You and Lennie can't/won't do that.

And quit reading Len's posts. They obviously have an ruinous effect
on you.


I don't tolerate liars, nor do I tolerate the callous and rude.


I don't see you attacking WA8ULX. You believed his story of how he
tested for Extra, and he is callous and rude.


Brucie is in the killfile. Brucie is KNOWN to suffer various
mental abborations, and his rantings are so childish and idiotic that
they are clearly that to even the casual reader. He's an
idiot-bar-none, always was, always will be.

Lennie is all of that, and you "defend" him...So guess where that
leaves you?


So far, I haven't defended Len...(SNIP)


Sure you have. Read back the last 15 messages in this thread
alone.

I merely said that you were wrong
about the shuttle tragedy. It really did occur.


Sure it did. But you have somehow insinuated that by having
identified Lennie as a liar I am saying he lies about this. I did
not. I said he's a callous, insensitive creep. This was but yet one
more a-burke-tion of what was said in order to create a fight in which
you fancy yourself as being on top.

And I've suggested
that you refrain from reading Len's posts in the hope that you'll be
able to sleep at night.


I sleep fine, Brain. What would make you think otherwise?

Now you imply that I'm a rapist...


There YOU go trying to make an insinuation that just isn't true.

Get some help.


Take your own advice. Soon.

73...(SNIP)


Insincerity seems to be your forte, Brain.

Steve, K4YZ

Brian July 21st 03 03:03 AM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...


Oh, gee, what could be worse?

Being a rapist...child molester...spousal abuser...


You said you didn't know what was worse with respect to me, so now
you're calling me a "rapist...child molester...spousal abuser...?"

Merely because I think you grossly overreact to each and every post
Len makes?


I am sure you do, considering your nose is so far up his 6
o'clock orifice, I am sure you have to blow your nose every time he
passes wind.


You sure are a nice guy, Steve. What were you saying about having to
smite out the callous and crude? Next time you bolt on your Avenging
Angel wings, look for your own name on the list.

Maybe you need to call in some help to make that big decision. Maybe
they'll help you get back on your meds.

You and Lennie keep insisting on this.


Steve, it's the only logical conclusion one could draw from your
insane postings.


Brain, there is noting "logical" about lying and callous
indiscretion that you and your buddy favor. Your other attempts to
twist what was clearly said in archived posts is likewise illogical.


No twisting. You just went off on a rant and forgot what the subject
was. Very easy to do when you lose self-control.

I am sure you wish it were
true,


It obviously is.


To you, perhaps. But then it seems it's just you and Lennie in
one corner and everyone else in the other. Even those who also favor
your basic views on Code testing do their best to distance themselves
from you and Lennie.


You might want to join them.

Don't you wonder why?


No.

but it seems it's your only "defense" against being held up to
public scrutiny for your own shortcomings.


You are the Avenging Angel of rrap?


Do YOU think I am? Then I must be. Otherwise, I am just another
Amateur licensee who doesn't like some lookie-loo making irresponsible
and untruthful statements about something of which I have first hand
knowledge.


What was untruthful about the shuttle tragedy?

It doesn't work.


Then apparently you have not been diagnosed by a licensed
professional. See if you can get some dealer samples at least.


There's nothing to be "diagnosed", Brain.


But there is. You're wacko for Len.

Other than my unwillingness to let go of Lennie's tail, no one
can argue with the validity of MY statements, nor can they deny the
arrogance and inaccuracies of Lennie's...And yours, for that matter.


I just did, and successfully, I might add. Unless you can come up
with some proof that the shuttle tragedy didn't occur, and that the
astronauts are safe and can renew their amateur licenses when they are
within the renewal period.

You've got your work cut out for you. Better get busy.

The problem is that you and Leonard are you own
worst enemies. The virtual slapping around you take in this forum is
fueled by your own ramblings.


I think the "slapping around" that I take is from wacko's such as
yourself, and it would be forthcoming simply because I disagree with
you. Some, such as DICK and Kelly, range from merely curt replies to
rude name calling. You're off the scale.


I am sure you think I am.


I'm sure of it.

But then you also can't delineate the
difference between "authorization" and "acceptance", nor can you
validate any of the assertions you've made vis-a-vis your "credit" as
a "DX" operator.


I've operated DX from Korea, Guam, and Somalia. I didn't need your
approval, then or now.

Many people here disagree with me, and I they...but the basic
fiber of the exchanges don't degrade to this point because we can
agree to disagree. You and Lennie can't/won't do that.


Then there's definitely something up between you and Len. You cannot
ignore even one of his postings. You've got to start a new thread
with almost every response, with eyes rolled back capitalization to
the hilt.

Get a grip and get some help.

And quit reading Len's posts. They obviously have an ruinous effect
on you.

I don't tolerate liars, nor do I tolerate the callous and rude.


I don't see you attacking WA8ULX. You believed his story of how he
tested for Extra, and he is callous and rude.


Brucie is in the killfile. Brucie is KNOWN to suffer various
mental abborations, and his rantings are so childish and idiotic that
they are clearly that to even the casual reader. He's an
idiot-bar-none, always was, always will be.


So put on your Avenging Angel wings and destroy him. You said that
you don't tolerate liars, the callous, and the crude. So get to work,
OR...

just ignore Len the way you are able to ignore Bruce.

And by the way, how is it that you can see "mental abberations" in
Bruce that you cannot recognize in yourself?

Lennie is all of that, and you "defend" him...So guess where that
leaves you?


So far, I haven't defended Len...(SNIP)


Sure you have. Read back the last 15 messages in this thread
alone.


This isn't about Len. This is about your insane behavior. You said
Len was a liar in a reply about the shuttle tragedy. You were wrong.

I merely said that you were wrong
about the shuttle tragedy. It really did occur.


Sure it did. But you have somehow insinuated that by having
identified Lennie as a liar I am saying he lies about this.


No insinuation. Go back and reread your post.

I did not.


Oh, but you did. You called him a liar.

I said he's a callous, insensitive creep.


Yes, you did. But first you called him a liar. Its plainly there in
your post.

This was but yet one
more a-burke-tion of what was said in order to create a fight in which
you fancy yourself as being on top.


Look, Steve. You crapped your pants. Just excuse yourself and go
clean up. Then put Len in your "kill file" as you've done with Bruce.
You'll feel a lot better afterward.

And I've suggested
that you refrain from reading Len's posts in the hope that you'll be
able to sleep at night.


I sleep fine, Brain. What would make you think otherwise?

Now you imply that I'm a rapist...


There YOU go trying to make an insinuation that just isn't true.


You're the one who said you couldn't decide what would be worse. When
pressed, you said "rapist...child molester...spouse abuser.."

Fine.

Look, go ahead and take your parting shot. I'm out of this thread,
but I reserve the right point out your poor behavior in your next new
thread.

Brian

Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 21st 03 07:37 AM

(Brian) wrote in message . com...

Merely because I think you grossly overreact to each and every post
Len makes?


I am sure you do, considering your nose is so far up his 6
o'clock orifice, I am sure you have to blow your nose every time he
passes wind.


You sure are a nice guy, Steve. What were you saying about having to
smite out the callous and crude? Next time you bolt on your Avenging
Angel wings, look for your own name on the list.


Again, I am sure you think so. But you forget the old addage
about "You reap what you sew".

Perhaps next time you decide to dive in with YOUR "witful
commentary" you'll contemplate the consequences before you run your
mouth off.

I won't hold my breath until you do, but you might...

Brain, there is noting "logical" about lying and callous
indiscretion that you and your buddy favor. Your other attempts to
twist what was clearly said in archived posts is likewise illogical.


No twisting. You just went off on a rant and forgot what the subject
was. Very easy to do when you lose self-control.


I went off on a rant? I hardly think so. Now YOU on the

other hand...

To you, perhaps. But then it seems it's just you and Lennie in
one corner and everyone else in the other. Even those who also favor
your basic views on Code testing do their best to distance themselves
from you and Lennie.


You might want to join them.


I already do. That's why I am rubbing YOUR nose in it and WE
are laughing about it.

Don't you wonder why?


No.


THAT was a rhetorical question, but the answer does not surprise
me. It's one of the few self-appreciating things you've done that was
accurate.

Do YOU think I am? Then I must be. Otherwise, I am just another
Amateur licensee who doesn't like some lookie-loo making irresponsible
and untruthful statements about something of which I have first hand
knowledge.


What was untruthful about the shuttle tragedy?


That you continue to try an make the tragedy's occurence itself
the center of discussion is yet more evidence of your unwillingness to
stand up to the truth. The topic was Lennie's blatant ugliness in
using it for some irrelevent newsgroup positioning.

There's nothing to be "diagnosed", Brain.


But there is. You're wacko for Len.


Nope. Lennie's wacko himself. That he continues to feed the NG
with fuel for his own demise is his problem. You are following in his
footsteps. Too closely I might add.

Other than my unwillingness to let go of Lennie's tail, no one
can argue with the validity of MY statements, nor can they deny the
arrogance and inaccuracies of Lennie's...And yours, for that matter.


I just did, and successfully, I might add. Unless you can come up
with some proof that the shuttle tragedy didn't occur, and that the
astronauts are safe and can renew their amateur licenses when they are
within the renewal period.


No...what you have done is try to make the tragedy itself the
center of discussion...It's not and never was. Lennie's blatant and
callous use of it for his own petty arguments was.

That you attempt to compound that act with his "defense" lumps
you in with him.

Whatever last vestiges of credibility you enjoyed prior to this
round has evaporated.

You've got your work cut out for you. Better get busy.


I think the "slapping around" that I take is from wacko's such as
yourself, and it would be forthcoming simply because I disagree with
you. Some, such as DICK and Kelly, range from merely curt replies to
rude name calling. You're off the scale.


I am sure you think I am.


I'm sure of it.


Then you are wrong again. Is being a loser a lifelong
accomplishjment for you, or is this a NEW development?

But then you also can't delineate the
difference between "authorization" and "acceptance", nor can you
validate any of the assertions you've made vis-a-vis your "credit" as
a "DX" operator.


I've operated DX from Korea, Guam, and Somalia. I didn't need your
approval, then or now.


Nope, you didn't. But you still don't understand the differences
as I stated above.

Many people here disagree with me, and I they...but the basic
fiber of the exchanges don't degrade to this point because we can
agree to disagree. You and Lennie can't/won't do that.


Then there's definitely something up between you and Len. You cannot
ignore even one of his postings. You've got to start a new thread
with almost every response, with eyes rolled back capitalization to
the hilt.


Not factual, as usual. Google refers.

Get a grip and get some help.


Get some facts before you post, Brain.

Brucie is in the killfile. Brucie is KNOWN to suffer various
mental abborations, and his rantings are so childish and idiotic that
they are clearly that to even the casual reader. He's an
idiot-bar-none, always was, always will be.


So put on your Avenging Angel wings and destroy him. You said that
you don't tolerate liars, the callous, and the crude. So get to work,
OR...


just ignore Len the way you are able to ignore Bruce.


An order from you, Brain?

And by the way, how is it that you can see "mental abberations" in
Bruce that you cannot recognize in yourself?


Well...let's see...there's Brucie's profanity, there's racism,
there's blatant threats of violence...etc etc etc.

That's off the top. Ya wanna start another thread on that one?

Lennie is all of that, and you "defend" him...So guess where that
leaves you?

So far, I haven't defended Len...(SNIP)


Sure you have. Read back the last 15 messages in this thread
alone.


This isn't about Len. This is about your insane behavior. You said
Len was a liar in a reply about the shuttle tragedy. You were wrong.


I said Len is a liar. That is not in dispute. I said he is
callous, insensitive, and a creep. That's not in dispute either.

YOU said I said he lied about the shuttle tragedy. That is a
lie. That you choose to further continue your attempts to cover up
your own foolishness and callousness is evident.

I merely said that you were wrong
about the shuttle tragedy. It really did occur.


Sure it did. But you have somehow insinuated that by having
identified Lennie as a liar I am saying he lies about this.


No insinuation. Go back and reread your post.


YOU go back an re-read it, Brain. But I'd suggest that you take a
class in English Comprehension first.

I did not.

Oh, but you did. You called him a liar.


He is a liar. YOU are trying to say that I said he lied about the
shuttle tragedy. YOU need to go back and get the order straight.

I said he's a callous, insensitive creep.


Yes, you did. But first you called him a liar. Its plainly there in
your post.


GET THE ORDER AND CONTEXT STRAIGHT, BRAIN!

This was but yet one
more a-burke-tion of what was said in order to create a fight in which
you fancy yourself as being on top.


Look, Steve. You crapped your pants. Just excuse yourself and go
clean up. Then put Len in your "kill file" as you've done with Bruce.
You'll feel a lot better afterward.


That odor you're detecting is from your realization that you have
once again stuck your foot in your mouth without first checking to see
where you feet had been.

I can't help you with that.

And I've suggested
that you refrain from reading Len's posts in the hope that you'll be
able to sleep at night.


I sleep fine, Brain. What would make you think otherwise?

Now you imply that I'm a rapist...


There YOU go trying to make an insinuation that just isn't true.


You're the one who said you couldn't decide what would be worse. When
pressed, you said "rapist...child molester...spouse abuser.."

Fine.

Look, go ahead and take your parting shot. I'm out of this thread,
but I reserve the right point out your poor behavior in your next new
thread.


As well you should be, Brain. You should have never enetered it
in the first place, ESPECIALLY since you seem to be unable to get the
order and context correct.

As for "parting shot(s)", I doubt this will be the last time we
tangle, Brain. You've consistently proven your wilingness to engage
in topics of conversation that you are either clearly unprepared for
and give little thought to the probable outcome when tasked to be
forthright or provide evidence of support for.

Auf Wiedersehn.

Steve

Radio Amateur KC2HMZ July 22nd 03 04:48 AM

On 20 Jul 2003 04:39:06 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)
wrote:

John:

I see you live in Tonawanda, NY. I am a former Western New Yorker,
having been raised in the town of Alden. I wonder if you know my good
friend Pete Liaros, K2RSK?


Of course I do, he's very active on the airwaves in this area's 2m/440
repeaters and also operates mobile HF CW to boot. Also a fixture at
hamfests and the odd club meeting, too.

If so, next time you see him or talk to him
on a local repeater, let him know you know me and I'm sure he'll tell
you all about me and how we met on 10-meters over 20 years ago!


You can hook up with him on 40m CW of course, but if you really want
to surprise him, get EchoLink and pop onto the WB2JPQ interlink system
here in western NY. Dick has his 146.835 machine connected to the
Echolink network. That machine's part of a system of linked repeaters
that covers most of this end of the state (from the Pennsylvania line
to well east of Rochester...farther when the temperature inversions
along the south shore of Lake Ontario duct the signals from the
Rochester area machine up into the Watertown area), and Pete is
frequently on one of the linked machines, when he isn't on the BARRA
link system chatting with Ted, WA2HKS.

Whenever I visit in the WNY area, I try to have breakfast with Peter --
pehaps you could join us sometime!


Then there is the matter of that roast beef sandwich you still have
coming...though I suppose if you'd prefer a comparably priced
breakfast...

Shoot for a Tuesday or Wednesday morning. Those are my two days off
work. Other days I work from 5AM to 1:30PM, so unless you're into
eating really late breakfasts, or want to make it lunch instead
(sending us back into roast beef territory)...........

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


Larry Roll K3LT July 22nd 03 06:47 AM

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

John:

I see you live in Tonawanda, NY. I am a former Western New Yorker,
having been raised in the town of Alden. I wonder if you know my good
friend Pete Liaros, K2RSK?


Of course I do, he's very active on the airwaves in this area's 2m/440
repeaters and also operates mobile HF CW to boot. Also a fixture at
hamfests and the odd club meeting, too.


John:

Yes, indeed. I was one of the first to see the nifty HF antenna mount he
got made for his '94 Mercury Grand Marquis. I think we had breakfast the
day after it was done. I saw him last fall, and he still had that car!

If so, next time you see him or talk to him
on a local repeater, let him know you know me and I'm sure he'll tell
you all about me and how we met on 10-meters over 20 years ago!


You can hook up with him on 40m CW of course, but if you really want
to surprise him, get EchoLink and pop onto the WB2JPQ interlink system
here in western NY. Dick has his 146.835 machine connected to the
Echolink network. That machine's part of a system of linked repeaters
that covers most of this end of the state (from the Pennsylvania line
to well east of Rochester...farther when the temperature inversions
along the south shore of Lake Ontario duct the signals from the
Rochester area machine up into the Watertown area), and Pete is
frequently on one of the linked machines, when he isn't on the BARRA
link system chatting with Ted, WA2HKS.


I'll have to check that EchoLink thing out. All I know about it is how to
spell it. I occasionally E-mail to Pete, but he doesn't seem to read his
mail that often, or reply, for that matter.

Whenever I visit in the WNY area, I try to have breakfast with Peter --
pehaps you could join us sometime!


Then there is the matter of that roast beef sandwich you still have
coming...though I suppose if you'd prefer a comparably priced
breakfast...


Breakfast or lunch, it matters not to me! A Beef on Weck and a glass
of Genny would be a great way to enjoy some ham camaraderie.

Shoot for a Tuesday or Wednesday morning. Those are my two days off
work. Other days I work from 5AM to 1:30PM, so unless you're into
eating really late breakfasts, or want to make it lunch instead
(sending us back into roast beef territory)...........


OK, great. Like I said before, my next visit to the WNY area will
most likely be over the Thanksgiving holiday, if I can manage to take
some personal days off. I've pretty much given up on being home
for Christmas, due to the tendency to be forced to spend an
inordinate amount of time behind the snow blower! If I were to
ever move again, I think I'd just go to various places and walk
around carrying a snow shovel. As soon as someone asked me,
"What the heck is THAT?" -- I'd stop!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Radio Amateur KC2HMZ July 24th 03 02:33 AM

On 22 Jul 2003 05:47:23 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)
wrote in regards to mutual acquaintance K2RSK

Yes, indeed. I was one of the first to see the nifty HF antenna mount he
got made for his '94 Mercury Grand Marquis. I think we had breakfast the
day after it was done. I saw him last fall, and he still had that car!


Last time I saw him (this summer) he was driving it down I-290 East
just before the I-90 split, chatting with someone on the WNYDXA
repeater and wondering who he'd just passed with four antennas on top
of a van (which was me). :-)

I'll have to check that EchoLink thing out. All I know about it is how to
spell it. I occasionally E-mail to Pete, but he doesn't seem to read his
mail that often, or reply, for that matter.


John Taylor, K1RFD, created it. Its use is limited to licensed radio
amateurs only. You can download it, entirely for free, at the
following website:

http://www.echolink.org

Echolink uses voice-over-IP. You can use your computer and Internet
connection to get a repeater anywhere in the world if that repeater is
linked in via the Internet. Ham stations, including repeaters in
different parts of the world can be linked via Echolink as well. As an
example, I've talked to a ham in California using my 2m mobile rig
while driving downthe road here in New York. The repeater I was on was
connected to Echolink at the time, and so was the repeater in
California that the other ham was using.

You can also set up a link on your station at home (on a simplex
frequency) and use your handheld to access the link.

You might expect no-code Techs to gravitate to this as a means of
contacting DX without HF privileges - and they do - but many longtime
hams with HF privileges use it too, particularly guys that have
retired and moved away and use Echolink to keep in touch with the
locals from "back home" - especially true of guys who are now living
in condos down in Florida and aren't permitted to erect HF antennas.

Breakfast or lunch, it matters not to me! A Beef on Weck and a glass
of Genny would be a great way to enjoy some ham camaraderie.


I might opt for a soft drink instead of the Genny, but other than that
it sounds good to me. Be sure and let me know ahead of time next time
you plan to head up this way, and we'll plan a get-together.

(For those not familiar with Western new York culture, Genny is a
locally brewed beer that's quite popular in these here parts)

OK, great. Like I said before, my next visit to the WNY area will
most likely be over the Thanksgiving holiday, if I can manage to take
some personal days off.


Better yet! Gives me a perfect excuse to eat something besides turkey.
I like turkey, but usually have had more than enough of it by
Saturday.

I've pretty much given up on being home
for Christmas, due to the tendency to be forced to spend an
inordinate amount of time behind the snow blower!


Snow blower!? You ain't a "real" Western New Yorker! If you were,
you'd use a shovel like they used to do a hundred years ago. It's
still a perfectly efficient and viable means of snow removal. Anybody
who uses a snow blower is just plain lazy. :-)

If I were to
ever move again, I think I'd just go to various places and walk
around carrying a snow shovel. As soon as someone asked me,
"What the heck is THAT?" -- I'd stop!


Just make sure the guy who asks is a local resident and not some
tourist from somewhere in the Mojave Desert who's just visiting! Or
one of those lazy types who's just interested in clearing the driveway
and has never even owned a shovel like a "real" Western New Yorker.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


N2EY July 25th 03 03:29 AM

Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..
On 22 Jul 2003 05:47:23 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)

Breakfast or lunch, it matters not to me! A Beef on Weck and a glass
of Genny would be a great way to enjoy some ham camaraderie.


I might opt for a soft drink instead of the Genny, but other than that
it sounds good to me. Be sure and let me know ahead of time next time
you plan to head up this way, and we'll plan a get-together.

(For those not familiar with Western new York culture, Genny is a
locally brewed beer that's quite popular in these here parts)


Rochester, to be exact. Gawd, I miss that stuff. Red hots, beef on a
weck, real wings.....

If you get to Rochester or Syracuse, check out Dinosaur BBQ.

Snow blower!? You ain't a "real" Western New Yorker! If you were,
you'd use a shovel like they used to do a hundred years ago. It's
still a perfectly efficient and viable means of snow removal. Anybody
who uses a snow blower is just plain lazy. :-)

Damn straight. ;-)

I still have and use my shovel from Palmyra/Newark days. Just the
right size for the car trunk, snow slips right off, eay on the back.

If I were to
ever move again, I think I'd just go to various places and walk
around carrying a snow shovel. As soon as someone asked me,
"What the heck is THAT?" -- I'd stop!


Reworking of old Navy story about a sailor with an oar...

Just make sure the guy who asks is a local resident and not some
tourist from somewhere in the Mojave Desert who's just visiting! Or
one of those lazy types who's just interested in clearing the driveway
and has never even owned a shovel like a "real" Western New Yorker.

Ayup. Or who thinks "lake effect" has something to do with a
California basketball team...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Mike Coslo July 25th 03 01:08 PM



N2EY wrote:
Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..

On 22 Jul 2003 05:47:23 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)


Breakfast or lunch, it matters not to me! A Beef on Weck and a glass
of Genny would be a great way to enjoy some ham camaraderie.


I might opt for a soft drink instead of the Genny, but other than that
it sounds good to me. Be sure and let me know ahead of time next time
you plan to head up this way, and we'll plan a get-together.

(For those not familiar with Western new York culture, Genny is a
locally brewed beer that's quite popular in these here parts)



Rochester, to be exact. Gawd, I miss that stuff. Red hots, beef on a
weck, real wings.....


If you get to Rochester or Syracuse, check out Dinosaur BBQ.



Something tells me that I'm stepping into a henway, but what is beef on
a weck?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Steve Robeson, K4CAP July 25th 03 04:02 PM

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..


Snow blower!? You ain't a "real" Western New Yorker! If you were,
you'd use a shovel like they used to do a hundred years ago. It's
still a perfectly efficient and viable means of snow removal. Anybody
who uses a snow blower is just plain lazy. :-)

Damn straight. ;-)

I still have and use my shovel from Palmyra/Newark days. Just the
right size for the car trunk, snow slips right off, eay on the back.


NyukNyukNyuk...

Here in SE Tennessee we use snow shovels as talismen against
anyone who would dare bring snow here!

73

Steve, K4YZ

N2EY July 26th 03 03:22 AM

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Rochester, to be exact. Gawd, I miss that stuff. Red hots, beef on a
weck, real wings.....


If you get to Rochester or Syracuse, check out Dinosaur BBQ.



Something tells me that I'm stepping into a henway, but what is beef on


a weck?

A truly excellent sandwich. Roast beef on a kemmelweck roll (a type of round
roll properly made only in the region, just as true hoagie rolls are only made
by Amoroso).

--

I may have told this one before, but years ago I was in North Tonawanda as part
of a project for work. February, of course, and of course that particular job
involved lots of time out-of-doors. Some vendors took us to lunch at the place
where wings allegedly were invented. One of the vendors salesfolk made the
mistake of saying "you can't make 'em too hot and spicy for me". The restaurant
staff proved him wrong.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Radio Amateur KC2HMZ July 26th 03 03:28 AM

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:08:52 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:


Something tells me that I'm stepping into a henway, but what is beef on
a weck?


A sandwich consisting of sliced roast beef on a kimmel weck roll. Back
in the days BC (before chicken wings), beef on weck was the delicacy
of choice around here.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


Larry Roll K3LT July 26th 03 03:39 AM

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Something tells me that I'm stepping into a henway, but what is beef on


a weck?


Mike:

These days, probably about $4.95, plus drink, tax, and tip. More specifically,
it's thin-sliced roast beef on a Küemmelweck roll. Very tasty with some
extra-sharp horseradish and a nice big dill pickle on the side!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Brian Kelly July 26th 03 02:39 PM

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:


Nephew Timothy trucks off to Rochester Tech for a degreee in fine arts
photography Rochester being Kodak country and all that. A few months
later he's grousing about spending more time digging out his dorm than
he spends in class and the darkrooms. Family e-mail circuit lights up,
tells him to hang tough, it can't be that bad, get a bigger shovel,
you need the exercise, you're just a spoiled brat.

Nothing further heard from him on the subject of snow.

Xmas eve of his Sophomore year he completely announcededly blasts up
the driveway (you've been up that driveway James, heh)in a U-Haul
truck full of all his crap from his dorm room.

"I quit, I quit, I quit, dammit they're all raving lunatics, their
brains are frozen solid, they don't enough common sense to do anything
BUT shovel the damned stuff!


Brian:

Pity. A degree in Photography from Rochester Tech could have meant
that your nephew could have got something most "photographers" out
there can only dream of: A job as a photographer that pays real money!

I did the "I wanna be a photographer" bit myself for many years -- in fact,
they were the 14 years when I was whining about code testing requirements
in the ARS. I even had the requisite rubber stamp for the back of my
prints that said, "Lawrence J. Roll, Photographer." I actually did a bit of
paying work, shooting weddings and high school yearbook headshots for
a studio. I won various prizes in photo contests in my own college and
others in the WNY area. After joining the Air Force, I did 100% of the
photos for my squadron yearbook during my tour in Korea, and later got
to make some actual offical USAF photos when I was stationed at
Andrews. One of my all time favorites is a shot of Pope John Paul II
on his arrival at Andrews for his 1979 visit; he is holding the infant son
of a young Sergeant on the base and his XYL who were there to greet
His Holiness that day. This photo was sent to Rome and I received
a letter of acknowledgement stating that it was placed on display on
some wall somewhere in the Vatican. I also have some amazing
photos of President and Mrs. Reagan on the Andrews flightline as they
walked from the Marine One helicopter to Air Force One prior to
departure on one of their many trips I "worked" as a Special Air Missions
Coordinator. I've got to get those photos copyrighted; they could be
worth a few bucks someday!


I've been shutterbugging since about when radio got my attention.
Let's take it offline, watch yer e-mail inbox maybe Sunday.


73 de Larry, K3LT

\
w3rv

Larry Roll K3LT July 27th 03 04:46 AM

In article , ospam
(Larry Roll K3LT) writes:


Mike:

These days, probably about $4.95, plus drink, tax, and tip. More
specifically,
it's thin-sliced roast beef on a Küemmelweck roll. Very tasty with some
extra-sharp horseradish and a nice big dill pickle on the side!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Note to All:

Sorry, I misspelled "Kümmelweck." If you use the umlaut over the "u,"
the "e" is thereby implied, and is unnecessary.

73 de Larry, K3LT



N2EY July 28th 03 12:52 PM

Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..
On 26 Jul 2003 02:22:12 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

I may have told this one before, but years ago I was in North Tonawanda as part
of a project for work. February, of course, and of course that particular job
involved lots of time out-of-doors. Some vendors took us to lunch at the
place where wings allegedly were invented.


North Tonawanda (or just NT to us locals) is my home town. I still
spend more time in NT than in the Township of Tonawanda where I live
now. Assuming they took you to the correct place, that would be the
Anchor Bar on Main Street in Buffalo.


That was the place, as I recall.

One of the vendors salesfolk made the
mistake of saying "you can't make 'em too hot and spicy for me".
The restaurant staff proved him wrong.


...and I'd bet they cackled with glee while he was consuming mass
quantities of whatever available liquid was nearby.


Oyez! We all did. And again about 30 hours later....

They were GOOD, though. Not too hot for me!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Ryan, KC8PMX July 29th 03 06:57 AM

And there is nothing stopping you from enjoying the hobby of photography
either! I routinely spend time each week driving around for those perfect
shots. There are other ways to earn money in photography as well. Try
surviellance photography. Try crime/arson scene photography/documentation.
Those are two different ways that I make a little extra income on the side
that definitely helps! And they are definitely fun, and you see some amazing
stuff!


--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
--. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-.
... --. .... - . .-. ...

Brian:

Pity. A degree in Photography from Rochester Tech could have meant
that your nephew could have got something most "photographers" out
there can only dream of: A job as a photographer that pays real money!

I did the "I wanna be a photographer" bit myself for many years -- in

fact,
they were the 14 years when I was whining about code testing requirements
in the ARS. I even had the requisite rubber stamp for the back of my
prints that said, "Lawrence J. Roll, Photographer." I actually did a bit

of
paying work, shooting weddings and high school yearbook headshots for
a studio. I won various prizes in photo contests in my own college and
others in the WNY area. After joining the Air Force, I did 100% of the
photos for my squadron yearbook during my tour in Korea, and later got
to make some actual offical USAF photos when I was stationed at
Andrews. One of my all time favorites is a shot of Pope John Paul II
on his arrival at Andrews for his 1979 visit; he is holding the infant son
of a young Sergeant on the base and his XYL who were there to greet
His Holiness that day. This photo was sent to Rome and I received
a letter of acknowledgement stating that it was placed on display on
some wall somewhere in the Vatican. I also have some amazing
photos of President and Mrs. Reagan on the Andrews flightline as they
walked from the Marine One helicopter to Air Force One prior to
departure on one of their many trips I "worked" as a Special Air Missions
Coordinator. I've got to get those photos copyrighted; they could be
worth a few bucks someday!

73 de Larry, K3LT





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