Regarding the title -- We real Hams are the facts

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Bert Craig wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I
always made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too
much
about R&R and DFing. ;)

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.

Dave K8MN

Hi Dave,

You kinda conveniently left out "Well, along with the fact that now I
realize what an idiot I was being." I believe that pretty much answers
your last query.

I don't think it does as evidenced by her reply to my comments.

We ALL make foolish errors in our youth and most of
us eventually grow up, hopefully, wiser for the wear. It's got sump'n
to do with casting the first stone or some such saying. ;-)

Kim didn't write that this was stuff she'd done in her youth. I was
never a bootlegger in my youth or in my adulthood. Were you? :-)

Dave K8MN

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Have you ever broken the law, in any way, Dave?

Kim W5TIT


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"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
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In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

Absolutely! The only reason I don't kill someone is because I don't
believe
in killing; not because it's illegal. Do you only refrain from doing
things
because they are illegal? You really should get out of that book!

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

If an armed robber walks into a Seven Eleven and points his gun at
Mr. Singh behind the counter, does Mr. Singh have the right to pull
*his* gun and kill the robber? Remember two things -- 1. You don't
believe in killing. 2. It is impossible to pick up a gun, point it at a
human being, and pull the trigger without the rational expectation that
you will kill the person you're aiming at. Now, please answer the Q.

73 de Larry, K3LT


*I* don't believe in killing, Larry. What part of that don't you
understand? What part of *I* don't you understand?

Kim W5TIT


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"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
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Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message
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The conservative response (common in Texas, where I believe Kim
lives): BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! (Sound
of magazine being ejected and a fresh one rammed into place, followed
by the sound of the slide racking another round into the chamber)

Mr. Singh: "Did he move or was I seeing things?"

Mr. Singh's 16-year old son: "He moved, dad, I saw him!"

Mrs. Singh: "I think our son is right."

BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!

Mr. Singh's 9-year old daughter: "Nice group, daddy!"

Now THAT is what I call crime abatement! (At least for the NEXT
twerp to try it!)

ROTMFFLMMFAO!

73

Steve, K4YZ


On the WHAT floor, laughing WHAT body part off?!

73/88, Kim W5TIT


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"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
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In article , Radio Amateur
KC2HMZ
writes:


The conservative response (common in Texas, where I believe Kim
lives): BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! (Sound
of magazine being ejected and a fresh one rammed into place, followed
by the sound of the slide racking another round into the chamber)

Mr. Singh: "Did he move or was I seeing things?"

Mr. Singh's 16-year old son: "He moved, dad, I saw him!"

Mrs. Singh: "I think our son is right."

BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!

Mr. Singh's 9-year old daughter: "Nice group, daddy!"

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

John:

ROFLMFAOAPMGO! Really, (well, except for the PMGO, bit!). As far as I'm
concerned, Texas is one of the few states that truly has it "right" where
gun
laws and a citizen's right to defend himself is concerned. And unlike
here in
Delaware, I'm sure all the Mr. Singh's and Mr. Said's running the
conveneince
stores generally don't worry about what's going to happen the next time a
lone customer walks through the door at 11 PM. That's because all the
Texas "perps" know that if they do try to knock the place over for a few
bucks
to buy some cocaine, they'll have to wade through a quagmire of 115 gr.
9mm GDHP's flying at them at 1400 fps to get at their intended target!


That's bull. I don't know what statistics would say, but the local TV and
radio news too often reports the deaths of store, gas station, and
restaurant folks around the Dallas area.


BTW, If I were the owner of a convenience store, I'd have a special door
chime that played a .WAV of a 12-ga. pump-action shotgun being racked
every time someone came in after sundown.


And, you'd probably be local news.


73 de Larry, K3LT
Member, NRA
My Presidnet is Kayne Robinson


Kim W5TIT


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"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Bert Craig wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Bert Craig wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

Kim didn't write that this was stuff she'd done in her youth. I was
never a bootlegger in my youth or in my adulthood. Were you? :-)

That's very commendable, Dave. When I said we ALL make "mistakes," I
certainly did not mean to limit it to just radio related violations.
Yes, I
have violated FCC rules in my youth and I'm mature enough to admit my
past
mistakes and grateful that I suffered no severe consequences as a
result. I
personally know not a single soul who has made NO mistakes in their
youth,
moral, legal, or both. If you fall in this category, then you've broken
that
streak and, once again, are to be commended.

Again, Kim did not indicate that her actions were something done in her
youth. I wrote about radio violations because that was what was under
discussion. If I wanted to generalize, I'd take it up in
rec.soc.scofflaw.


Oh, I forgot about that excuse for Dave's "never breaking the law," the
question of which I am sure he will either never answer, or use something
like the above.


The important thing (To me, at least.) is that I AM wiser for the wear
and
am in a position to help someone else avoid those mistakes entirely
based
upon my experiences. BTW, one does not necessarily have to agree with a
law/rule while obeying it. For ex.

- I would never bootleg or run excessive power because it is wrong and
causes harm.

- I would never work DX on the legal 40 CB frequencies with 12 Watts
P.E.P.
because it's not worth risking my ticket over. (But I think it'd be a
great
recruitment tool.)

I've never put forth the idea that one should obey a law because one
agrees with it. Kim knew she was breaking the law and decided that
she'd do it anyway.

It's a good thing we really don't go blind for doing some of the "wrong"
things of our youth. With the amount of DX I worked on ch. 38 LSB on my
Royce rig in '78/79, I'd be typing this post on a Braille keyboard. Take
care now, OM. ;-)

So you knew you were breaking the law but decided it was okay? Was that
all in your youth?

Dave K8MN


So, Dave. About the speeding, yes? No?

Kim W5TIT


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Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I
always
made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too
much
about R&R and DFing. ;)

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.


Absolutely! The only reason I don't kill someone is because I don't
believe
in killing; not because it's illegal. Do you only refrain from doing
things
because they are illegal? You really should get out of that book!

So you don't believe in killing someone (which is illegal) but you
didn't mind bootlegging on the radio (which is illegal). You believe in
one but not the other. You'd have us believe that it is a simple matter
of personal choice.

If you believed in killing someone (which is illegal), the legality
wouldn't matter to you by your logic. Society's rules are the ones
which count, Kim.


Only to the people who think society matters, Dave.

Those are the individuals who make civilization work. Right, then.
We'll put you down for anarchy.

So, you've never, ever broken the speed limit, eh?

Not deliberately, Kim. In my three years back in the U.S., I've logged
over 100,000 miles on the highways. I've not even been stopped for a
warning. On the interstate highways I set my cruise control for the
speed limit and let those who are in a hurry blow by.
But all of this is just a diversionary attempt on your part.
How about addressing the point of whether you believe that you can pick
and choose which laws to obey?

Dave K8MN

Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Bert Craig wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I
always made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too
much
about R&R and DFing. ;)

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.

Dave K8MN

Hi Dave,

You kinda conveniently left out "Well, along with the fact that now I
realize what an idiot I was being." I believe that pretty much answers
your last query.

I don't think it does as evidenced by her reply to my comments.

We ALL make foolish errors in our youth and most of
us eventually grow up, hopefully, wiser for the wear. It's got sump'n
to do with casting the first stone or some such saying. ;-)

Kim didn't write that this was stuff she'd done in her youth. I was
never a bootlegger in my youth or in my adulthood. Were you? :-)

Dave K8MN

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Have you ever broken the law, in any way, Dave?

Not deliberately, Kim. I'm not a scofflaw.

How about it, Kim: Were your bootlegging days part of youthful
transgressions or were you a supposedly mature adult?

Dave K8MN

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

Kim:

If an armed robber walks into a Seven Eleven and points his gun at
Mr. Singh behind the counter, does Mr. Singh have the right to pull
*his* gun and kill the robber? Remember two things -- 1. You don't
believe in killing. 2. It is impossible to pick up a gun, point it at a
human being, and pull the trigger without the rational expectation that
you will kill the person you're aiming at. Now, please answer the Q.

73 de Larry, K3LT


*I* don't believe in killing, Larry. What part of that don't you
understand? What part of *I* don't you understand?

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

Sooo, you don't believe in killing to defend your own life, or the life of a
third party? You don't believe people have the right to defend their own lives

with deadly force? If some terrorist wacko started shooting innocent
people in a subway station, you wouldn't want a police officer to shoot
him to protect innocent lives?

I don't believe in killing either, Kim. Killing is not something that any
decent, law-abiding, morally conscious person would want to do.
However, if faced with a life-or-death situation, I would not hesitate to
respond with deadly force in order to protect my own life or the lives
of others. That is a very important distinction. If you honestly believe
that nobody has a legitimate right to defend life with deadly force, should
the need arise, then you are obviously not looking at this subject from
a rational point of view. I hope that you are never personally faced with
that situation.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...

On the WHAT floor, laughing WHAT body part off?!

If I HAVE to tell ya...!!! =)

73

Steve, K4YZ