Excellent....send that to your Section Manager with recommendations it be
forwarded to the FCC while there pondering how to destroy ham radio with
BPL.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...

Rather interesting side of a news event here in Michigan
Ryan, KC8PMX


-----Original Message-----
From: ***************
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:12 PM
To: James Wades
Subject: RACES Assistance with MSP Manhunt


15 July 2003


NEWS STORY............MICHIGAN RADIO AMATEURS ASSIST IN CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION AND MANHUNT.


On July 6, a Michigan radio amateur by the name of Scott Woodring
(KC8JNG)
shot and killed a Michigan State Police Officer during a routine arrest
on
a
warrant for solicitation of a minor, resulting in a tense standoff with
law
enforcement. Mr. Woodring was a member of the Christian Identity
movement,
an organization that promotes racist and antisemetic views along with an
anti-government agenda.

On Monday, July 7, after a standoff that had continued from the previous
day, Mr. Woodring escaped during a law enforcement shift change,
resulting
in a nearly week-long manhunt for the suspect throughout Western
Michigan.

Shortly after the escape of Mr. Woodring, James Wades (WB8SIW), the
Michigan
Section Emergency Coordinator / State RACES Officer requested that the
Newaygo County Emergency Coordinator establish an intercept operation in
the
area of Fremont to identify any possible transmissions from the suspect.
This request was based on the fact that Mr. Woodring had utilized Amateur
Radio frequencies and equipment to communicate with fellow members of the
Christian Identity movement. Mr. Woodring was also known to have
recruited
a number of like-minded individuals into the Amateur Radio Service and
may
have purchased two-meter FM transceivers for use by fellow members of his
organization.

Operators were asked to monitor seldom used frequencies both within and
adjacent to the VHF Amateur Radio allocations. An additional
announcement
was broadcast to Emergency Coordinators and selected RACES personnel
throughout Michigan requesting information on any transmission heard from
Mr. Woodring.

On Friday, July 11 at 5:18 PM, Mr. Bill Hubbard (WD8MKG) of Holton,
Michigan
reported an intercept of communications between Mr. Woodring and another
radio amateur located in Fremont, Michigan. This was promptly reported
to
the SEC shortly thereafter. This information was transmitted verbally to
Michigan State Police Operations Desk at 5:39 PM. A follow-up facsimile
was
transmitted to MSP Operations from the West Branch MSP Post at
approximately
6:20 PM.

MSP Investigators subsequently requested assistance from the Department
of
Defense and Federal Communications Commission in order to establish radio
direction finding capabilities. When help was not forthcoming, a call
was
placed to the SEC requesting these capabilities through the Amateur Radio
Service.

A radio direction finding team was dispatched from Kent County RACES,
arriving at the MSP command post shortly thereafter. This team was
placed
under the supervision of the District 6 Emergency Coordinator, Mr. Tom
Vandermel (KB8VEE). Subsequent assistance was obtained from RACES
members
in Ottawa and Muskegon Counties.

In addition to those resources in the immediate area, a team from
Kalamazoo
County RACES was placed on standby along with a Civil Air Patrol team
from
the Mt. Clemens area. These later teams were not utilized due to the
distances involved and the fact that adequate staff was available in
nearby
Counties.

The radio direction finding activities continued until approximately 5 AM
on
Sunday, July 13 when Mr. Woodring was located based on a tip from a local
resident. He was subsequently shot to death when he leveled an assault
rifle at officers and refused to comply with directives.

RACES members provided 494 staff-hours to the operation, most of which
were
contributed during the 36-hour period when radio direction finding
activites
were being conducted. Michigan State Police officials expressed genuine
appreciation for the efforts of the Amateur Radio teams. Considerable
positive feedback has been received from a variety of senior officers who
now have an "expanded" view of Amateur Radio capabilities.

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Thank you.

I've been trying to decide what kind of comment I want to send the FCC about
BPL.

I do not have Cable anywhere near my Home, I do not have access to DSL, and
enough trees I cannot use Satellite.

So, I'm a "CB Plusser", I don't care anything about HF, especially after
listening to some of the Potty-Mouthed "Extra Jerks", at least with BPL I
can have some controll over what my Grandkids hears and sees.

Hummmm- no contest. BPL wins.

That, in a nutshell, is gonna be my comment to the FCC.



"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Excellent....send that to your Section Manager with recommendations it be
forwarded to the FCC while there pondering how to destroy ham radio with
BPL.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...

Rather interesting side of a news event here in Michigan
Ryan, KC8PMX


-----Original Message-----
From: ***************
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:12 PM
To: James Wades
Subject: RACES Assistance with MSP Manhunt


15 July 2003


NEWS STORY............MICHIGAN RADIO AMATEURS ASSIST IN CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION AND MANHUNT.


On July 6, a Michigan radio amateur by the name of Scott Woodring
(KC8JNG)
shot and killed a Michigan State Police Officer during a routine arrest
on
a
warrant for solicitation of a minor, resulting in a tense standoff with
law
enforcement. Mr. Woodring was a member of the Christian Identity
movement,
an organization that promotes racist and antisemetic views along with
an
anti-government agenda.

On Monday, July 7, after a standoff that had continued from the
previous
day, Mr. Woodring escaped during a law enforcement shift change,
resulting
in a nearly week-long manhunt for the suspect throughout Western
Michigan.

Shortly after the escape of Mr. Woodring, James Wades (WB8SIW), the
Michigan
Section Emergency Coordinator / State RACES Officer requested that the
Newaygo County Emergency Coordinator establish an intercept operation
in
the
area of Fremont to identify any possible transmissions from the
suspect.
This request was based on the fact that Mr. Woodring had utilized
Amateur
Radio frequencies and equipment to communicate with fellow members of
the
Christian Identity movement. Mr. Woodring was also known to have
recruited
a number of like-minded individuals into the Amateur Radio Service and
may
have purchased two-meter FM transceivers for use by fellow members of
his
organization.

Operators were asked to monitor seldom used frequencies both within and
adjacent to the VHF Amateur Radio allocations. An additional
announcement
was broadcast to Emergency Coordinators and selected RACES personnel
throughout Michigan requesting information on any transmission heard
from
Mr. Woodring.

On Friday, July 11 at 5:18 PM, Mr. Bill Hubbard (WD8MKG) of Holton,
Michigan
reported an intercept of communications between Mr. Woodring and
another
radio amateur located in Fremont, Michigan. This was promptly reported
to
the SEC shortly thereafter. This information was transmitted verbally
to
Michigan State Police Operations Desk at 5:39 PM. A follow-up
facsimile
was
transmitted to MSP Operations from the West Branch MSP Post at
approximately
6:20 PM.

MSP Investigators subsequently requested assistance from the Department
of
Defense and Federal Communications Commission in order to establish
radio
direction finding capabilities. When help was not forthcoming, a call
was
placed to the SEC requesting these capabilities through the Amateur
Radio
Service.

A radio direction finding team was dispatched from Kent County RACES,
arriving at the MSP command post shortly thereafter. This team was
placed
under the supervision of the District 6 Emergency Coordinator, Mr. Tom
Vandermel (KB8VEE). Subsequent assistance was obtained from RACES
members
in Ottawa and Muskegon Counties.

In addition to those resources in the immediate area, a team from
Kalamazoo
County RACES was placed on standby along with a Civil Air Patrol team
from
the Mt. Clemens area. These later teams were not utilized due to the
distances involved and the fact that adequate staff was available in
nearby
Counties.

The radio direction finding activities continued until approximately 5
AM
on
Sunday, July 13 when Mr. Woodring was located based on a tip from a
local
resident. He was subsequently shot to death when he leveled an assault
rifle at officers and refused to comply with directives.

RACES members provided 494 staff-hours to the operation, most of which
were
contributed during the 36-hour period when radio direction finding
activites
were being conducted. Michigan State Police officials expressed
genuine
appreciation for the efforts of the Amateur Radio teams. Considerable
positive feedback has been received from a variety of senior officers
who
now have an "expanded" view of Amateur Radio capabilities.

-30-

I must assume you are not going to get on that broad band power line
connection and set your grandkids up with alt.binaries.XXXXX (fill in
whatever you want). I've got news for you, neither amateur radio, CB, nor
the internet requires a sanity test to use them.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"PawPaw" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thank you.

I've been trying to decide what kind of comment I want to send the FCC
about
BPL.

I do not have Cable anywhere near my Home, I do not have access to DSL,
and
enough trees I cannot use Satellite.

So, I'm a "CB Plusser", I don't care anything about HF, especially after
listening to some of the Potty-Mouthed "Extra Jerks", at least with BPL I
can have some controll over what my Grandkids hears and sees.

Hummmm- no contest. BPL wins.

That, in a nutshell, is gonna be my comment to the FCC.



"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Excellent....send that to your Section Manager with recommendations it
be
forwarded to the FCC while there pondering how to destroy ham radio with
BPL.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...

Rather interesting side of a news event here in Michigan
Ryan, KC8PMX


-----Original Message-----
From: ***************
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:12 PM
To: James Wades
Subject: RACES Assistance with MSP Manhunt


15 July 2003


NEWS STORY............MICHIGAN RADIO AMATEURS ASSIST IN CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION AND MANHUNT.


On July 6, a Michigan radio amateur by the name of Scott Woodring
(KC8JNG)
shot and killed a Michigan State Police Officer during a routine
arrest
on
a
warrant for solicitation of a minor, resulting in a tense standoff
with
law
enforcement. Mr. Woodring was a member of the Christian Identity
movement,
an organization that promotes racist and antisemetic views along with
an
anti-government agenda.

On Monday, July 7, after a standoff that had continued from the
previous
day, Mr. Woodring escaped during a law enforcement shift change,
resulting
in a nearly week-long manhunt for the suspect throughout Western
Michigan.

Shortly after the escape of Mr. Woodring, James Wades (WB8SIW), the
Michigan
Section Emergency Coordinator / State RACES Officer requested that
the
Newaygo County Emergency Coordinator establish an intercept operation
in
the
area of Fremont to identify any possible transmissions from the
suspect.
This request was based on the fact that Mr. Woodring had utilized
Amateur
Radio frequencies and equipment to communicate with fellow members of
the
Christian Identity movement. Mr. Woodring was also known to have
recruited
a number of like-minded individuals into the Amateur Radio Service
and
may
have purchased two-meter FM transceivers for use by fellow members of
his
organization.

Operators were asked to monitor seldom used frequencies both within
and
adjacent to the VHF Amateur Radio allocations. An additional
announcement
was broadcast to Emergency Coordinators and selected RACES personnel
throughout Michigan requesting information on any transmission heard
from
Mr. Woodring.

On Friday, July 11 at 5:18 PM, Mr. Bill Hubbard (WD8MKG) of Holton,
Michigan
reported an intercept of communications between Mr. Woodring and
another
radio amateur located in Fremont, Michigan. This was promptly
reported
to
the SEC shortly thereafter. This information was transmitted
verbally
to
Michigan State Police Operations Desk at 5:39 PM. A follow-up
facsimile
was
transmitted to MSP Operations from the West Branch MSP Post at
approximately
6:20 PM.

MSP Investigators subsequently requested assistance from the
Department
of
Defense and Federal Communications Commission in order to establish
radio
direction finding capabilities. When help was not forthcoming, a
call
was
placed to the SEC requesting these capabilities through the Amateur
Radio
Service.

A radio direction finding team was dispatched from Kent County RACES,
arriving at the MSP command post shortly thereafter. This team was
placed
under the supervision of the District 6 Emergency Coordinator, Mr.
Tom
Vandermel (KB8VEE). Subsequent assistance was obtained from RACES
members
in Ottawa and Muskegon Counties.

In addition to those resources in the immediate area, a team from
Kalamazoo
County RACES was placed on standby along with a Civil Air Patrol team
from
the Mt. Clemens area. These later teams were not utilized due to the
distances involved and the fact that adequate staff was available in
nearby
Counties.

The radio direction finding activities continued until approximately
5
AM
on
Sunday, July 13 when Mr. Woodring was located based on a tip from a
local
resident. He was subsequently shot to death when he leveled an
assault
rifle at officers and refused to comply with directives.

RACES members provided 494 staff-hours to the operation, most of
which
were
contributed during the 36-hour period when radio direction finding
activites
were being conducted. Michigan State Police officials expressed
genuine
appreciation for the efforts of the Amateur Radio teams.
Considerable
positive feedback has been received from a variety of senior officers
who
now have an "expanded" view of Amateur Radio capabilities.

-30-













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The big difference is- Myself and their Parents can, and will, controll what
they see on the Internet, at the age the children are now, and for a few
more years.

However, I have no controll over what is said over the Ham Bands by others,
and when the Kids are in the same room, they are gonna hear it, other than
to turn the thing off, and disconnect it from the power and antenna, which I
did.

Plus, I would like for the Kids to have a choice when they grow up and want
high speed access, that I don't have now.


"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
I must assume you are not going to get on that broad band power line
connection and set your grandkids up with alt.binaries.XXXXX (fill in
whatever you want). I've got news for you, neither amateur radio, CB, nor
the internet requires a sanity test to use them.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"PawPaw" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thank you.

I've been trying to decide what kind of comment I want to send the FCC
about
BPL.

I do not have Cable anywhere near my Home, I do not have access to DSL,
and
enough trees I cannot use Satellite.

So, I'm a "CB Plusser", I don't care anything about HF, especially after
listening to some of the Potty-Mouthed "Extra Jerks", at least with BPL
I
can have some controll over what my Grandkids hears and sees.

Hummmm- no contest. BPL wins.

That, in a nutshell, is gonna be my comment to the FCC.



"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Excellent....send that to your Section Manager with recommendations it
be
forwarded to the FCC while there pondering how to destroy ham radio
with
BPL.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...

Rather interesting side of a news event here in Michigan
Ryan, KC8PMX


-----Original Message-----
From: ***************
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:12 PM
To: James Wades
Subject: RACES Assistance with MSP Manhunt


15 July 2003


NEWS STORY............MICHIGAN RADIO AMATEURS ASSIST IN CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION AND MANHUNT.


On July 6, a Michigan radio amateur by the name of Scott Woodring
(KC8JNG)
shot and killed a Michigan State Police Officer during a routine
arrest
on
a
warrant for solicitation of a minor, resulting in a tense standoff
with
law
enforcement. Mr. Woodring was a member of the Christian Identity
movement,
an organization that promotes racist and antisemetic views along
with
an
anti-government agenda.

On Monday, July 7, after a standoff that had continued from the
previous
day, Mr. Woodring escaped during a law enforcement shift change,
resulting
in a nearly week-long manhunt for the suspect throughout Western
Michigan.

Shortly after the escape of Mr. Woodring, James Wades (WB8SIW), the
Michigan
Section Emergency Coordinator / State RACES Officer requested that
the
Newaygo County Emergency Coordinator establish an intercept
operation
in
the
area of Fremont to identify any possible transmissions from the
suspect.
This request was based on the fact that Mr. Woodring had utilized
Amateur
Radio frequencies and equipment to communicate with fellow members
of
the
Christian Identity movement. Mr. Woodring was also known to have
recruited
a number of like-minded individuals into the Amateur Radio Service
and
may
have purchased two-meter FM transceivers for use by fellow members
of
his
organization.

Operators were asked to monitor seldom used frequencies both within
and
adjacent to the VHF Amateur Radio allocations. An additional
announcement
was broadcast to Emergency Coordinators and selected RACES
personnel
throughout Michigan requesting information on any transmission
heard
from
Mr. Woodring.

On Friday, July 11 at 5:18 PM, Mr. Bill Hubbard (WD8MKG) of Holton,
Michigan
reported an intercept of communications between Mr. Woodring and
another
radio amateur located in Fremont, Michigan. This was promptly
reported
to
the SEC shortly thereafter. This information was transmitted
verbally
to
Michigan State Police Operations Desk at 5:39 PM. A follow-up
facsimile
was
transmitted to MSP Operations from the West Branch MSP Post at
approximately
6:20 PM.

MSP Investigators subsequently requested assistance from the
Department
of
Defense and Federal Communications Commission in order to establish
radio
direction finding capabilities. When help was not forthcoming, a
call
was
placed to the SEC requesting these capabilities through the Amateur
Radio
Service.

A radio direction finding team was dispatched from Kent County
RACES,
arriving at the MSP command post shortly thereafter. This team was
placed
under the supervision of the District 6 Emergency Coordinator, Mr.
Tom
Vandermel (KB8VEE). Subsequent assistance was obtained from RACES
members
in Ottawa and Muskegon Counties.

In addition to those resources in the immediate area, a team from
Kalamazoo
County RACES was placed on standby along with a Civil Air Patrol
team
from
the Mt. Clemens area. These later teams were not utilized due to
the
distances involved and the fact that adequate staff was available
in
nearby
Counties.

The radio direction finding activities continued until
approximately
5
AM
on
Sunday, July 13 when Mr. Woodring was located based on a tip from a
local
resident. He was subsequently shot to death when he leveled an
assault
rifle at officers and refused to comply with directives.

RACES members provided 494 staff-hours to the operation, most of
which
were
contributed during the 36-hour period when radio direction finding
activites
were being conducted. Michigan State Police officials expressed
genuine
appreciation for the efforts of the Amateur Radio teams.
Considerable
positive feedback has been received from a variety of senior
officers
who
now have an "expanded" view of Amateur Radio capabilities.

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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Excellent....send that to your Section Manager with recommendations it be
forwarded to the FCC while there pondering how to destroy ham radio with
BPL.

Dan/W4NTI


???? Or, just send it to the FCC yourself...

Kim W5TIT

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...

Rather interesting side of a news event here in Michigan
Ryan, KC8PMX


-----Original Message-----
From: ***************
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:12 PM
To: James Wades
Subject: RACES Assistance with MSP Manhunt



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"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Excellent....send that to your Section Manager with recommendations it be
forwarded to the FCC while there pondering how to destroy ham radio with
BPL.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...

Rather interesting side of a news event here in Michigan
Ryan, KC8PMX


-----Original Message-----
From: ***************
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:12 PM
To: James Wades
Subject: RACES Assistance with MSP Manhunt


15 July 2003


NEWS STORY............MICHIGAN RADIO AMATEURS ASSIST IN CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION AND MANHUNT.


On July 6, a Michigan radio amateur by the name of Scott Woodring
(KC8JNG)
shot and killed a Michigan State Police Officer during a routine arrest
on
a
warrant for solicitation of a minor, resulting in a tense standoff with
law
enforcement. Mr. Woodring was a member of the Christian Identity
movement,
an organization that promotes racist and antisemetic views along with
an
anti-government agenda.

On Monday, July 7, after a standoff that had continued from the
previous
day, Mr. Woodring escaped during a law enforcement shift change,
resulting
in a nearly week-long manhunt for the suspect throughout Western
Michigan.

Shortly after the escape of Mr. Woodring, James Wades (WB8SIW), the
Michigan
Section Emergency Coordinator / State RACES Officer requested that the
Newaygo County Emergency Coordinator establish an intercept operation
in
the
area of Fremont to identify any possible transmissions from the
suspect.
This request was based on the fact that Mr. Woodring had utilized
Amateur
Radio frequencies and equipment to communicate with fellow members of
the
Christian Identity movement. Mr. Woodring was also known to have
recruited
a number of like-minded individuals into the Amateur Radio Service and
may
have purchased two-meter FM transceivers for use by fellow members of
his
organization.

Operators were asked to monitor seldom used frequencies both within and
adjacent to the VHF Amateur Radio allocations. An additional
announcement
was broadcast to Emergency Coordinators and selected RACES personnel
throughout Michigan requesting information on any transmission heard
from
Mr. Woodring.

On Friday, July 11 at 5:18 PM, Mr. Bill Hubbard (WD8MKG) of Holton,
Michigan
reported an intercept of communications between Mr. Woodring and
another
radio amateur located in Fremont, Michigan. This was promptly reported
to
the SEC shortly thereafter. This information was transmitted verbally
to
Michigan State Police Operations Desk at 5:39 PM. A follow-up
facsimile
was
transmitted to MSP Operations from the West Branch MSP Post at
approximately
6:20 PM.

MSP Investigators subsequently requested assistance from the Department
of
Defense and Federal Communications Commission in order to establish
radio
direction finding capabilities. When help was not forthcoming, a call
was
placed to the SEC requesting these capabilities through the Amateur
Radio
Service.

A radio direction finding team was dispatched from Kent County RACES,
arriving at the MSP command post shortly thereafter. This team was
placed
under the supervision of the District 6 Emergency Coordinator, Mr. Tom
Vandermel (KB8VEE). Subsequent assistance was obtained from RACES
members
in Ottawa and Muskegon Counties.

In addition to those resources in the immediate area, a team from
Kalamazoo
County RACES was placed on standby along with a Civil Air Patrol team
from
the Mt. Clemens area. These later teams were not utilized due to the
distances involved and the fact that adequate staff was available in
nearby
Counties.

The radio direction finding activities continued until approximately 5
AM
on
Sunday, July 13 when Mr. Woodring was located based on a tip from a
local
resident. He was subsequently shot to death when he leveled an assault
rifle at officers and refused to comply with directives.

RACES members provided 494 staff-hours to the operation, most of which
were
contributed during the 36-hour period when radio direction finding
activites
were being conducted. Michigan State Police officials expressed
genuine
appreciation for the efforts of the Amateur Radio teams. Considerable
positive feedback has been received from a variety of senior officers
who
now have an "expanded" view of Amateur Radio capabilities.

-30-