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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message .. . It's not just a matter of national defense, Len. The pool of trained operators concept also applies to civil defense, public service, and so on. As such, the concept is just as valid today. True, but the paradigm has changed. When CW was the ONLY, or even the DOMINANT mode of communication via radio, the need for a pool of (CW) trained operators was legitimate. That is no longer the case. Trained ops, yes, but trained in what is actually USED in modern day emergency communications, which is overwhelmingly voice (VHF/UHF and HF SSB, and data modes). Carl - wk3c |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Larry Roll K3LT wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim: W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH, Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account! Perhaps we can get Vipul a date? My guess would be, not with one hundred dollar bills pinned to his shirt though my friend K3FK's adage comes to mind: "They never made a trash can for which there wasn't a lid". Dave K8MN |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... "Dwight Stewart" wrote in message .. . It's not just a matter of national defense, Len. The pool of trained operators concept also applies to civil defense, public service, and so on. As such, the concept is just as valid today. True, but the paradigm has changed. When CW was the ONLY, or even the DOMINANT mode of communication via radio, the need for a pool of (CW) trained operators was legitimate. That is no longer the case. Trained ops, yes, but trained in what is actually USED in modern day emergency communications, which is overwhelmingly voice (VHF/UHF and HF SSB, and data modes). Carl - wk3c CW is a data mode. All other data modes change too fast along the lines of "flavor of the month". Which data mode would you propose be used for emergency communications. There is RTTY, Amtor, packet, Gtor, pactor, PSK31, and a host of others. PSK31 is new enough that there is activity generated by its very newness but will it last? Even now the techies are moving on to the "next generation" version of PSK31. Outside of PSK31 and RTTY, the other computer aided digital modes are now scarce to non-existent on the HF bands. In a practical sense, the computer aided digital modes won't be as useful as some people like to tell themselves since there just aren't that many people working any one mode. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dave Heil wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: Larry Roll K3LT wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim: W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH, Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account! Perhaps we can get Vipul a date? My guess would be, not with one hundred dollar bills pinned to his shirt though my friend K3FK's adage comes to mind: "They never made a trash can for which there wasn't a lid". Heheh. Well, I tried. We'll have to mention her when he sends out his standard missive on nonexistant attractive TL's. Not that it matters how attactive a YL or XYL is. At least in the ARS context. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:
Dwight Stewart" wrote: (my comments snipped) True, but the paradigm has changed. When CW was the ONLY, or even the DOMINANT mode of communication via radio, the need for a pool of (CW) trained operators was legitimate. That is no longer the case. Trained ops, yes, but trained in what is actually USED in modern day emergency communications, which is overwhelmingly voice (VHF/UHF and HF SSB, and data modes). That's nice, Carl. However, it's the exact same argument I've repeatedly used throughout this thread (the same argument concerning CW). In other words, you're preaching to the choir and, on top of that, preaching what the choir has already pretty much said. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dwight Stewart writes: "N2EY" wrote: (snip) And amateur radio does not exist to serve other services. (snip) Our public service is often service to other agencies (Red Cross, MARS, and so on). The "pool of trained operators" thing in 97.1 is really about the idea of the ARS being a service where the licensees (hams) are skilled both operationally and technically, able to do a lot of different things well. This distinguishes it from other services, (snip) The pool of trained operators concept relates to our ability to do the other things outlined in 97.1 (public service, international goodwill, and so on). At one time, code was a necessary part of at least some of that. That is much less so today, hence the move to change the code testing requirement. Dwight, that statement in 97.1 is an OLD thing going back decades. It was put in there to rationalize the existance of amateur radio among all the other very commercial radio services. Three to four decades ago there MIGHT have been a "need" for "trained operators" for the military draft. [the USA still had a draft and the Cold War was very warm indeed] Never mind that the military already HAD ways of training in the "radio arts." I obtained enough knowledge through amateur radio that I was able to take a "Bypassed Specialist" exam in basic training. The Air Force gave me the "3" or apprentice skill level and allowed me to bypass tech school. I was sent to my first assignment and obtained my "5" or journeyman level skill code through OJT and correspondence classes. The military, at least back then, recognized when an individual had enough knowledge to skip military training in the "radio arts". Do you know when the U.S. might need trained operators or when another draft will be instituted? Does national defense or the various aid agencies NEED amateurs who are "trained" in DX contesting and sitting around telling old war stories about when Kode Vas King? I don't think so. Are you miffed because you don't have any war stories relating to code? Do you know anything about the operating skills of any contest types? Morse code use will keep out the eveavsdropers and bad people from the content of communications, thus not letting them know the deep dark, very secret ways of the ham. Secure. So I've been told. It is a cinch that you don't have first hand knowledge of anything to do with morse code. Whoever told you was wrong. shrug :-) Dave K8MN |
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In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes: "Dwight Stewart" wrote in message . .. It's not just a matter of national defense, Len. The pool of trained operators concept also applies to civil defense, public service, and so on. As such, the concept is just as valid today. True, but the paradigm has changed. When CW was the ONLY, or even the DOMINANT mode of communication via radio, the need for a pool of (CW) trained operators was legitimate. You are right, but haven't pointed out that was a half century ago, Carl. :-) That is no longer the case. Trained ops, yes, but trained in what is actually USED in modern day emergency communications, which is overwhelmingly voice (VHF/UHF and HF SSB, and data modes). It's no use trying to show reality in here, Carl. shrug These folk are obediant servants of the Church of St. Hiram and all things in amateur radio are as they were back before WW2. To show reality and all the other radio services' modes and operations is tantamount to heresy. Blasphemy, even... LHA |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Mike Coslo wrote: Larry Roll K3LT wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim: W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH, Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account! Perhaps we can get Vipul a date? My guess would be, not with one hundred dollar bills pinned to his shirt though my friend K3FK's adage comes to mind: "They never made a trash can for which there wasn't a lid". Dave K8MN K3FK????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does that call hold some special significance for you, Kim? Dave K8MN |
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: Brian: perhaps you can give me some kind of clue as to what the Hell you are talking about? Kim W5TIT Kim: You couldn't buy a clue if they were three for a dollar. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: K3FK????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kim W5TIT Kim: That's an Amateur Extra-class 1x2 call sign, Kim. A very good one, in fact! Unlike yours, it doesn't spell something that makes an inappropriate reference to the female anatomy for the sake of inciting prurient interest in the callsign's owner. BTW -- why aren't you an Extra, Kim? Those written tests too tough for you? 73 de Larry, K3LT |
Subject: Question for the No coders
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 8/9/03 9:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: In article , Dwight Stewart writes: "N2EY" wrote: (snip) And amateur radio does not exist to serve other services. (snip) Our public service is often service to other agencies (Red Cross, MARS, and so on). The "pool of trained operators" thing in 97.1 is really about the idea of the ARS being a service where the licensees (hams) are skilled both operationally and technically, able to do a lot of different things well. This distinguishes it from other services, (snip) The pool of trained operators concept relates to our ability to do the other things outlined in 97.1 (public service, international goodwill, and so on). At one time, code was a necessary part of at least some of that. That is much less so today, hence the move to change the code testing requirement. Dwight, that statement in 97.1 is an OLD thing going back decades. Len, you are an old thing, going back decades. It was put in there to rationalize the existance of amateur radio among all the other very commercial radio services. You keep rationalizing your existence here among all the other very amateur operators. Three to four decades ago there MIGHT have been a "need" for "trained operators" for the military draft. [the USA still had a draft and the Cold War was very warm indeed] Never mind that the military already HAD ways of training in the "radio arts." It just says "pool of trained operators". Nothing about the Morse code or military draft or other services. Does national defense or the various aid agencies NEED amateurs who are "trained" in DX contesting and sitting around telling old war stories about when Kode Vas King? I don't think so. Does anyone NEED alleged retired nonamateurs who are "trained" in telling old war stories about their nonamateur exploits of fiftyplus years ago? (snip) And public service. (snip) I'm not aware of the use of code by any of the typical served agencies (Red Cross, MARS, and so on). Morse code use will keep out the eveavsdropers and bad people from the content of communications, thus not letting them know the deep dark, very secret ways of the ham. Secure. Watch out for those "eveavsdropers"!!! So I've been told. It seems sometimes that no one can tell you anything, Len. ;-) (snip) Besides, everything hams do is either "for enjoyment" or public service. Does that mean none of it should be tested? Huh? I thought I was fairly clear about all this. Code was once necessary for the goals and purposes outlined in 97.1. At the very least, that is much less so today (some would say it is not at all so today). That severely weakens the justification for a unique license requirement. If the license requirement is actually removed, code will then be tested on an equal footing with the other operating modes (written theory). Nothing in that is an argument for or against testing anything else. Holier-than-thou old-timers just can't live with that, Dwight! You are a holier-than-thou old-timer, Len. FCC "must" keep the "tradition" of morsemanship! shrug Are you Atlas? LHA |
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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim: W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! Ding ding ding! Now why would he be the only one without a lookup counter? Every other callsign I've ever checked has one. OTOH, Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account! Naw, I've seen some really high lookup numbers. Now, now, Kim -- don't be jealous of Michelle -- even though you have a right to be! Hint: Check out their birthdates.... Then compare their DIMENSIONS! 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
Len Over 21 wrote:
It's no use trying to show reality in here, Carl. shrug These folk are obediant servants of the Church of St. Hiram and all things in amateur radio are as they were back before WW2. To show reality and all the other radio services' modes and operations is tantamount to heresy. Blasphemy, even... To quote from Leonard H. Anderson: "YOU have NO authority to call anyone anything, demean them, make fun of them, or anything else...yet YOU continue to do so. That indicates the perversity of your control-freak psychosis." What goes around often comes around very quickly. Dave K8MN |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
... In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: Your "don't look now" phrase is about as old as ROFLMAO, Larry. But at least it's mine, Kim! Don't look now, but it's one of my Usenet persona trademarks, as it were. And unlike you and your ROFLMAO, It is usually followed by witty, insightful, and well-reasoned remarks on the subject at hand. And, I am not jealous of this lady at all. More importantly, her sales volume would be of little significance to me, since I am not in sales. My point was that she probably has a lot of lookups because of people remembering her call from a trade show and seeing if there's a link to the company she represented. Oh, hey, why don't you look her up and get a date, Larry. Looks like you're interested. Kim W5TIT Any normal, healthy male would be interested in Michelle, Kim. Sorry, I know you're not personally familiar with that concept from your own experience. In fact, you had to come up with your "...one step closer to extinction" Vanity call sign, just to stir up some interest. Too bad it's the wrong kind! 73 de Larry, K3LT You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Kim W5TIT |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
SysD. If I put it over there we can remove the engine for backup and put all the system data on SysA and SysB. The database is written and I'm near finalization on coding. I should be able to develop a test environment over the weekend. If you will create a small database of around 250 records, we should then be able to test next week. Hopefully, we'll be ready for the launch end of Q3! "Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Mike Coslo wrote: Larry Roll K3LT wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: Fun fact: Check the lookup counter in QRZ.com for W5YI. 73 de Jim, N2EY Jim: W5YI's QRZ record seems to be missing the lookup counter! OTOH, Michelle, KC0MYV, seems to be breaking all records on that account! Perhaps we can get Vipul a date? My guess would be, not with one hundred dollar bills pinned to his shirt though my friend K3FK's adage comes to mind: "They never made a trash can for which there wasn't a lid". Dave K8MN K3FK????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does that call hold some special significance for you, Kim? Dave K8MN Nope. Just like the call. I didn't understand the significance of "K3FK????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" His father was W3FK. What's with the strange stuff at the top of your post? Dave K8MN |
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Larrie can't "run out of" something he never had... :-) |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Larrie can't "run out of" something he never had... :-) "YOU have NO authority to call anyone anything, demean them, make fun of them, or anything else...yet YOU continue to do so. That indicates the perversity of your control-freak psychosis." --Leonard H. Anderson Dave K8MN |
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Kim: I may be down a couple of percent, but you've only got half of yours! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Larrie can't "run out of" something he never had... :-) "YOU have NO authority to call anyone anything, demean them, make fun of them, or anything else...yet YOU continue to do so. That indicates the perversity of your control-freak psychosis." --Leonard H. Anderson Dave: Lennie lives in a glass house, keeps a big pile of stones in the back yard, and has a bad case of "pitcher's elbow" from tossing them! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
... In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Kim: I may be down a couple of percent, but you've only got half of yours! 73 de Larry, K3LT I only need half with you around... Kim W5TIT |
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Larrie can't "run out of" something he never had... :-) "YOU have NO authority to call anyone anything, demean them, make fun of them, or anything else...yet YOU continue to do so. That indicates the perversity of your control-freak psychosis." --Leonard H. Anderson Yup. Herr Robust is once again proving I'm right. :-) Not only that, Big Bad Dave is getting into the Obsession with Personal Attacks on certain individuals with lots of intensity. :-) He's giving pSycho pSteve lots of competition! :-) LHA |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: You're stretching now, Larry. Running out of wit, are you? Larrie can't "run out of" something he never had... :-) "YOU have NO authority to call anyone anything, demean them, make fun of them, or anything else...yet YOU continue to do so. That indicates the perversity of your control-freak psychosis." --Leonard H. Anderson Yup. Herr Robust is once again proving I'm right. :-) You are perhaps the only person on the planet incapable of seeing the irony of what you tell others when compared to what you actually do. You lecture others on what they have no "authority" to do then proceed to do those very same things. Not only that, Big Bad Dave is getting into the Obsession with Personal Attacks on certain individuals with lots of intensity. :-) Tsk, tsk tsk. You're certainly an individual with lots of intensity. Poor baby. :-) :-) What's the deal with "Personal" "Obsession and "Attacks". Perhaps You're Having Problems With Your Keyboard. :-) :-) Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. Poor Baby. He's giving pSycho pSteve lots of competition! :-) zI'm znot zcompeting zwith zSteve, zLen. Good luck with the keyboard and your other problems. Dave K8MN |
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Yup. Herr Robust is once again proving I'm right. :-) You are perhaps the only person on the planet incapable of seeing the irony of what you tell others when compared to what you actually do. You lecture others on what they have no "authority" to do then proceed to do those very same things. Stuff it, crybaby. I'm still RIGHT and you're still the egotist who is ****ed off. Is this your bullying nonsense? "Stuff it, crybaby" sure doesn't come off as much of a counter to my comments. "YOU have NO authority to call anyone anything, demean them, make fun of them, or anything else...yet YOU continue to do so. That indicates the perversity of your control-freak psychosis." --Leonard H. Anderson Now go and try to "moderate" someone else. You are wasting our time in here. "Our" time? Do you have multiple personalities? How many of you are there? Dave K8MN |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
... In article , (Brian) writes: There you go, folks! Kim just admitted that she's a half-wit! Too bad the wit she has is also very dim! 73 de Larry, K3LT Actually, Larry, she said that she only needed to be a half-wit to debate you. It wasn't a kind remark, and it went right over your head. Brian: Ah ha! So even you agree that Kim is a half-wit! Well, I guess it takes one to know one! 73 de Larry, K3LT Brian, Brian, Brian, it did not go over Larry's head at all... He is in denial (as usual) Kim W5TIT |
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"Dave Heil" wrote in message
... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Yup. Herr Robust is once again proving I'm right. :-) You are perhaps the only person on the planet incapable of seeing the irony of what you tell others when compared to what you actually do. You lecture others on what they have no "authority" to do then proceed to do those very same things. Stuff it, crybaby. I'm still RIGHT and you're still the egotist who is ****ed off. Is this your bullying nonsense? "Stuff it, crybaby" sure doesn't come off as much of a counter to my comments. You mean you feel bullied, Dave? Oh, and "stuff it" generally means a response to indicate indifference to something that has been said. So, it's a very appropriate counter. Oh, and try not to feel so bullied... Kim W5TIT |
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"Brian" wrote in message
om... ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian) writes: There you go, folks! Kim just admitted that she's a half-wit! Too bad the wit she has is also very dim! 73 de Larry, K3LT Actually, Larry, she said that she only needed to be a half-wit to debate you. It wasn't a kind remark, and it went right over your head. Brian: Ah ha! So even you agree that Kim is a half-wit! Well, I guess it takes one to know one! 73 de Larry, K3LT I didn't say that. But by extension, -you- would think that Rush Limbaugh is a half-wit because he ties half his brain behind his back to make it fair for the libs. Now you're giving away my secrets, Brian! I didn't want Larry to know I am giving him the advantage... ;) Kim W5TIT |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Yup. Herr Robust is once again proving I'm right. :-) You are perhaps the only person on the planet incapable of seeing the irony of what you tell others when compared to what you actually do. You lecture others on what they have no "authority" to do then proceed to do those very same things. Stuff it, crybaby. I'm still RIGHT and you're still the egotist who is ****ed off. Is this your bullying nonsense? "Stuff it, crybaby" sure doesn't come off as much of a counter to my comments. You mean you feel bullied, Dave? Oh, and "stuff it" generally means a response to indicate indifference to something that has been said. So, it's a very appropriate counter. Oh, and try not to feel so bullied... So you haven't been keeping up and you don't recognized Len's own phrase including the words "bullying nonsense", now turned toward him? Try to keep up. Dave K8MN |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
... Kim W5TIT wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Yup. Herr Robust is once again proving I'm right. :-) You are perhaps the only person on the planet incapable of seeing the irony of what you tell others when compared to what you actually do. You lecture others on what they have no "authority" to do then proceed to do those very same things. Stuff it, crybaby. I'm still RIGHT and you're still the egotist who is ****ed off. Is this your bullying nonsense? "Stuff it, crybaby" sure doesn't come off as much of a counter to my comments. You mean you feel bullied, Dave? Oh, and "stuff it" generally means a response to indicate indifference to something that has been said. So, it's a very appropriate counter. Oh, and try not to feel so bullied... So you haven't been keeping up and you don't recognized Len's own phrase including the words "bullying nonsense", now turned toward him? Try to keep up. Dave K8MN You should try *less* keeping up, Dave. I don't even scan for Len's posts. And, *usually* when I see Len's name embedded in a post I open, it gets closed right back up. Maybe your and Len's personalities are closer aligned to each other than one would even imagine possible... You play right into his game... Kim W5TIT |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: "Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Yup. Herr Robust is once again proving I'm right. :-) You are perhaps the only person on the planet incapable of seeing the irony of what you tell others when compared to what you actually do. You lecture others on what they have no "authority" to do then proceed to do those very same things. Stuff it, crybaby. I'm still RIGHT and you're still the egotist who is ****ed off. Is this your bullying nonsense? "Stuff it, crybaby" sure doesn't come off as much of a counter to my comments. You mean you feel bullied, Dave? Oh, and "stuff it" generally means a response to indicate indifference to something that has been said. So, it's a very appropriate counter. Oh, and try not to feel so bullied... So you haven't been keeping up and you don't recognized Len's own phrase including the words "bullying nonsense", now turned toward him? Try to keep up. Dave K8MN You should try *less* keeping up, Dave. I don't even scan for Len's posts. And, *usually* when I see Len's name embedded in a post I open, it gets closed right back up. Maybe your and Len's personalities are closer aligned to each other than one would even imagine possible... Anyone who can read understands that is not the case. I have never in my life attempted to set standards for an avocation in which I am not involved. You play right into his game... You probably don't understand the philosophy, Kim. It may well be that he plays right into my game. Dave K8MN |
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In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: Brian: Ah ha! So even you agree that Kim is a half-wit! Well, I guess it takes one to know one! 73 de Larry, K3LT Brian, Brian, Brian, it did not go over Larry's head at all... He is in denial (as usual) Kim W5TIT No, Kim, denial is where it's always been -- in Egypt! Why don't you do a "Cleo" and take a raft-ride down it? You better watch your asp, however! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
... In article , (Brian) writes: Brian: Ah ha! So even you agree that Kim is a half-wit! Well, I guess it takes one to know one! 73 de Larry, K3LT I didn't say that. But by extension, -you- would think that Rush Limbaugh is a half-wit because he ties half his brain behind his back to make it fair for the libs. Brian: I don't think that Rush (that's MISTER Limbaugh to you!) would appreciate your drawing comparisons between him and Kim! 73 de Larry, K3LT ROFLMAO!!! Brian, see? Denial... Kim W5TIT |
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