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Vshah101 wrote:
From (Larry Roll K3LT): If that is the case in your club, then simply work around the old timers that you find so offensive, and get your fellow newcomers involved in your projects. What is so difficult about that? The newcomers seem to be of the same mode also. Your tales always end with you being the odd man out. The ones that are interested in the technical stuff probably would have left within one or two meetings. Your job is to seek them out and meld a new club based around your unique definition of what an amateur radio club should be. Probably same would be true about the social aspect of newcomers. Thats why the demographics seem to stay as they are when new people join. So the club stays full of those who are interested in talking about amateur radio and who set up operating events and then waste that time by actually operating rather than touring the beach, eating salads and chatting up the "preety fems". I'm involved in a county group which is part of ARES. Most of the hams involved are not interested in contesting or DXing. Many operate VHF FM only. I don't know any who've designed and built a linear amplifier. Only one other is interested in collecting and restoring vintage gear. I continue to attend. We interact based on our common interests rather than the things which divide us. Dave K8MN The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. |
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From: Dave Heil k8mn
Also, few club members are interested in homebrewing, despite claiming interest by posing for a photograph showing club members doing a group project. Well, they do have photographic proof. We're stuck with just your claim. No, they only posed for the photograph. It does not mean that they actually did that activity. I can ask people in that photograph if they are interested in homebrewing and that person will say he is not interested in homebrewing. Therefore, the photograph is just hype and does not represent what the club is really interested in. So, the "advancement of the radio art" is just a justification for more HF/CW activities. So you're back to telling them where their interests should lie. I didn't say they were interested in homebrewing - the photograph did. It takes a prominant place in the club publicity. Except, the photograph is a mis-representation of what the club members are truly interested in. I'll wager that most "old timers" aren't even involved with a radio club. They don't go to club meetings. And they don't go to Hamfests. Nor are they on 2m. I get it - they don't exist. You'll have to use the callsign database and begin making phone calls or knocking on doors to come up with a scientific sampling A scientific sampling is not needed by me, nor any potential new recruit to Ham radio. If that person's experiences are of anti-social, mostly male, mostly older, non-technical (if they are interested in that), Hams, then thats all they need to know. It won't do much good to show them the other aspect that "could" exist, but does not exist for them. There have been exceptions of course, but it is too rare to be worth the effort. I cannot search out the contradiction. That's right. You've begun with an outcome and you're trying to make the statistics fit that outcome. I'm not making any statistics fit. I'm saying that if something is 95%* and it takes you a certain amount of time to come across the other 5%, then its not worth the effort. ---------------------------------------------------------------- *The 95% number is given for example purposes only. It is not meant to represent a specific percentage. |
"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From: ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) Most of the young people are of the anti-social nerdy type that others would not like to be with. Therefore, other young people don't join. Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society that make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused on their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here). The other alternative is to start my own club. I tried it, but that was not too successful. Not "too" successful? Two other people showed up. One person was a typical Ham type and believed that I could get more members by appealing to current Hams. If I could find current Hams with those interests, I would not have to start this type of club. The other person, although not an EE, was sincerely interested in technical projects. Due to certain factors such as the lack of a meeting place, getting enough members, and lack of funds, and other factors, the club could not get started. EVERY club had that problem in the beginning. However each of the successful clubs had a leader who was willing to WORK to overcome all these factors. It certainly looks like your expectations of what it takes to get a club going were very unrealistic. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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(Vshah101) wrote in message ...
From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) You won't ID the club, any of the members, I have more respect than that. Ohhh! I see! You can call THEM liars and you can accuse THEM of misrepresnting the truth, but YOU have "too much respect"...?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! Do you ever REMOTELY realize just how stupid you just amde yuorself look, Vipul? What was said was YOU are back to telling "them" where thier interests should lay. And neither should they tell me what my interests should be. Like, telling people at club meetings that they should learn Morse code. Or, suggesting I should learn Morse code when I participate in antenna setups or at Ham gatherings. And how many of these people held you down while another member hit you with a rubber hose to "force" you to learn Morse Code? You constantly barrage this NG with YOUR interpretation of what Amatuer Radio should be and how "wrong" other Amateurs are for not following THAT doctrine. Like the current group of Hams do in their groups? Like WHAT, Vipul? If the "95%" is clay, Okay, makes sense. and the "5%" is gold, then isn't it worth it to you to get your blue jeans a bit dirty...??? That 5% is gold at the end of a rainbow (it doesn't exist). YOU will NEVER know if there's ANY gold anywhere, Vipul, because you're too lazy and too timid to go find out if there is or not. Steve, K4YZ |
"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From: (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) You won't ID the club, any of the members, I have more respect than that. What was said was YOU are back to telling "them" where thier interests should lay. And neither should they tell me what my interests should be. Like, telling people at club meetings that they should learn Morse code. Or, suggesting I should learn Morse code when I participate in antenna setups or at Ham gatherings. You are almost certainly misinterpreting their motives. They want to see people improve, upgrade, and otherwise develop their amateur radio skills and knowledge. It is in a benevolent spirit that they make these suggestions. For example, I have been through setting up digital modes on my system even though I don't care to use them. I've set them up and checked them out for the sole purpose of expanding my personal hands on knowledge. Once I had them working right, I was done using those modes. You constantly barrage this NG with YOUR interpretation of what Amatuer Radio should be and how "wrong" other Amateurs are for not following THAT doctrine. Like the current group of Hams do in their groups? If the "95%" is clay, Okay, makes sense. and the "5%" is gold, then isn't it worth it to you to get your blue jeans a bit dirty...??? That 5% is gold at the end of a rainbow (it doesn't exist). Your personal expections of ham radio are simply unrealistic. Thus you will always be disappointed. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com...
Well got news for you. It's the anti-social nerdy types in our society that make the majority of technical and business advances. They are focused on their goals rather than looking for social clubs. All of our computer technology has come from the "geeks" and some of those boys have gotten wealty (Bill Gates comes to mind here). Dee...I can't help but imagine that there's some overweight ex-prom queeen who's day revolves around 6 kids, a beer-bellied ex-jock old man who won't get out of bed or stay sober,living in a mobile home that's about to fall off the axles, all-the-while beating herself up for having made fun of Mr. Gates for "daring" to ask her out once ! ! ! =) Steve, K4YZ |
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