Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

Does one have to be in ham
radio exactly as long as you, be as old as you, have been on HF SSB
and
CW
as much as you, before you think they're "worthy?"

Why no, Kim. Then again, I didn't write anything like that. Perhaps
you
just had a feeling...



Yeah, all folks like you like to do is "imply" and then get all uppity and
persnickity when you're asked about your implication.

Folks "like you" snipe at my comments directed toward Carl and not at
Carl for his comments to Larry. Don't get all uppity with me, Kim.

Let me ask it this way: WHY do you even mention the number of years of
licensure, or for how long certain classes of licensure may have been held,
or under what regulations that licensure was achieved? Why bring it up?

Here's a two-parter for you, Kim.

a) Because I am free to do so.

b) I chose to do so.

I've stopped here on your post, so if there's any *real* pertinent stuff,
I've missed it...

Well, it won't be the first time.

Dave K8MN

Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...

You are quite dislikable, whether you realize it or not. And you
do
seem to
approach life from the comfort zone...

Kim W5TIT

Probably from a lifetime of work and play in a radio shack. He
needs
to get out more often.

I get out very well on any number of bands.

Ham radio is a pretend zone of life, Dave.

No, Kim. It isn't.


They all pretend to be friendly, gregarious individuals.

Who? The folks in Wichita? Presbyterian Church elders?

Most hams I've met in real life? I won't mention...

It's probably a lucky thing for them. Maybe you've been pretending to
be gregarious and friendly.


You're a massive waste of time, Dave.

Run out of comments or did I just hit a nerve?

Go play with Len...

He wasn't available but you stepped up to the plate.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...

Then, why the opening remarks then and now, with this post, about how long
Carl was a Tech and his alledged comments on CW? Why enter that into your
remarks at all, Dave, if not to cast attention to that? If you are casting
attention to that, then why?

Dave has a problem with the old Techs, the Tech Plusses, and
presumably the Techs with Code.

I didn't address those you mention. I addressed Carl.

Exactly. You continued to address Carl as if he were a Tech. Which
he is not.

They aren't 13wpm hams. They aren't
worthy to share his band space.

No, they haven't been tested at 13 wpm or at 20 wpm. I didn't address
that issue.

Oh, my. Oh, dear. You merely addressed Carl's tenure on the
Technician band space.

Now that Carl can share Dave's band space...

Carl may share some space with me.

Carl can share any space with you that he wishes. That is what the
FCC mean's by issuing him an Extra license. Get used to it. Naw,
nevermind.

There are plenty of areas on a
number of bands where I doubt I'll run into Carl. Come to think of it,
I doubt I'll run into you in those spots.

Duh! I don't have Extra priv's, Oh Master of Amateur Radio!!!

Go work some Frenchmen on 6M. I've heard they've got all kinds of
priveleges!!!

Hi, hi (maniacal laughing in Morse with or without Steve's shoes).

Sebentee Tree, Brian

"Bert Craig" wrote in message
...
"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com...

"Bert Craig" wrote in message
. net...
That's because it not supposed to. It "forces" the newbie to get a
taste
of
CW. Then it's up to the individual to either take him/herself
further
or
drop it entirely. Many will never know if CW truly interested them
because
they will not have been made to even try.


Exactly. It's nice to see it so neatly. It's the same reason that
students
are required to study a number of items which they may or may not
pursue
in
the future.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Then I say we test on every mode there is. If you support that for CW,
then
surely you support it for other modes.

Kim W5TIT

I'm with that! Good call, Kim.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI



It's pretty darned logical to me...

Kim W5TIT


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Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...

Then, why the opening remarks then and now, with this post, about how long
Carl was a Tech and his alledged comments on CW? Why enter that into your
remarks at all, Dave, if not to cast attention to that? If you are casting
attention to that, then why?

Dave has a problem with the old Techs, the Tech Plusses, and
presumably the Techs with Code.

I didn't address those you mention. I addressed Carl.

Exactly. You continued to address Carl as if he were a Tech. Which
he is not.

No, I continued to address Carl as a churl, which he is.

Which is how you address Techs.

They aren't 13wpm hams. They aren't
worthy to share his band space.

No, they haven't been tested at 13 wpm or at 20 wpm. I didn't address
that issue.

Oh, my. Oh, dear. You merely addressed Carl's tenure on the
Technician band space.

I didn't address space at all. I addressed Carl's sitting on an old
Tech ticket for 2 1/2 decades until the requirements were lowered.

Ding, ding, ding. The bell on my M28 rings each time you bring that up.

Now that Carl can share Dave's band space...

Carl may share some space with me.

Carl can share any space with you that he wishes. That is what the
FCC mean's by issuing him an Extra license. Get used to it. Naw,
nevermind.

Carl may share some space.

May share all space.

While the FCC permits Carl the same access
as I hold, no amount of wishing on his part will make it likely that
Carl will share space with me in some areas of the bands. If such did
come to pass, he likely wouldn't recognize that fact.

Nor would you. You treat him as if he were still a Tech.

There are plenty of areas on a
number of bands where I doubt I'll run into Carl. Come to think of it,
I doubt I'll run into you in those spots.

Duh! I don't have Extra priv's, Oh Master of Amateur Radio!!!

Duh, indeed! I don't operate only in Extra Class band segments but I do
use morse about 50% of the time. I'm banking on not running into you.

I don't need West Virginia.

Go work some Frenchmen on 6M. I've heard they've got all kinds of
priveleges!!!

French hams fall under the jurisdiction of the French PTT.

Indeed they do.

I don't tell
them where they can operate and neither does the FCC.

Nor does the government of Tanzania.

They are
responsible for the operation of their stations and I am responsible
only for the operation of mine.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...

Then, why the opening remarks then and now, with this post, about how long
Carl was a Tech and his alledged comments on CW? Why enter that into your
remarks at all, Dave, if not to cast attention to that? If you are casting
attention to that, then why?

Dave has a problem with the old Techs, the Tech Plusses, and
presumably the Techs with Code.

I didn't address those you mention. I addressed Carl.

Exactly. You continued to address Carl as if he were a Tech. Which
he is not.

No, I continued to address Carl as a churl, which he is.

Which is how you address Techs.

That's another incorrect claim you've made.

They aren't 13wpm hams. They aren't
worthy to share his band space.

No, they haven't been tested at 13 wpm or at 20 wpm. I didn't address
that issue.

Oh, my. Oh, dear. You merely addressed Carl's tenure on the
Technician band space.

I didn't address space at all. I addressed Carl's sitting on an old
Tech ticket for 2 1/2 decades until the requirements were lowered.

Ding, ding, ding. The bell on my M28 rings each time you bring that up.

Then you need to check your wiring.

Now that Carl can share Dave's band space...

Carl may share some space with me.

Carl can share any space with you that he wishes. That is what the
FCC mean's by issuing him an Extra license. Get used to it. Naw,
nevermind.

Carl may share some space.

May share all space.

He may and he may not.

While the FCC permits Carl the same access
as I hold, no amount of wishing on his part will make it likely that
Carl will share space with me in some areas of the bands. If such did
come to pass, he likely wouldn't recognize that fact.

Nor would you.

Sure I would, Brian.

You treat him as if he were still a Tech.

No, I treat him as if he were still a churl.

There are plenty of areas on a
number of bands where I doubt I'll run into Carl. Come to think of it,
I doubt I'll run into you in those spots.

Duh! I don't have Extra priv's, Oh Master of Amateur Radio!!!

Duh, indeed! I don't operate only in Extra Class band segments but I do
use morse about 50% of the time. I'm banking on not running into you.

I don't need West Virginia.

So your reason for not using morse is that you don't need West Virginia?
That's some interesting logic.

Go work some Frenchmen on 6M. I've heard they've got all kinds of
priveleges!!!

French hams fall under the jurisdiction of the French PTT.

Indeed they do.

You understand that now? You seemed to have trouble with it in the
past.

I don't tell
them where they can operate and neither does the FCC.

Nor does the government of Tanzania.

Nor does the CEO of Nabisco. Has there been a problem in the past with
those pesky Tanzanians issuing notices to scofflaw French hams?

They are
responsible for the operation of their stations and I am responsible
only for the operation of mine.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I gather from some of the things you've written that you've got 'em and
that you're smoking 'em.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...

Then, why the opening remarks then and now, with this post, about how long
Carl was a Tech and his alledged comments on CW? Why enter that into your
remarks at all, Dave, if not to cast attention to that? If you are casting
attention to that, then why?

Dave has a problem with the old Techs, the Tech Plusses, and
presumably the Techs with Code.

I didn't address those you mention. I addressed Carl.

Exactly. You continued to address Carl as if he were a Tech. Which
he is not.

No, I continued to address Carl as a churl, which he is.

Which is how you address Techs.

That's another incorrect claim you've made.

Prove it.

They aren't 13wpm hams. They aren't
worthy to share his band space.

No, they haven't been tested at 13 wpm or at 20 wpm. I didn't address
that issue.

Oh, my. Oh, dear. You merely addressed Carl's tenure on the
Technician band space.

I didn't address space at all. I addressed Carl's sitting on an old
Tech ticket for 2 1/2 decades until the requirements were lowered.

Ding, ding, ding. The bell on my M28 rings each time you bring that up.

Then you need to check your wiring.

For what?

Now that Carl can share Dave's band space...

Carl may share some space with me.

Carl can share any space with you that he wishes. That is what the
FCC mean's by issuing him an Extra license. Get used to it. Naw,
nevermind.

Carl may share some space.

May share all space.

He may and he may not.

Take it up with his hairdresser. The FCC says he may share all space,
and thats good enough for me.

While the FCC permits Carl the same access
as I hold, no amount of wishing on his part will make it likely that
Carl will share space with me in some areas of the bands. If such did
come to pass, he likely wouldn't recognize that fact.

Nor would you.

Sure I would, Brian.

How is that?

You treat him as if he were still a Tech.

No, I treat him as if he were still a churl.

A Tech.

There are plenty of areas on a
number of bands where I doubt I'll run into Carl. Come to think of it,
I doubt I'll run into you in those spots.

Duh! I don't have Extra priv's, Oh Master of Amateur Radio!!!

Duh, indeed! I don't operate only in Extra Class band segments but I do
use morse about 50% of the time. I'm banking on not running into you.

I don't need West Virginia.

So your reason for not using morse is that you don't need West Virginia?
That's some interesting logic.

No, I'd prefer not to work you on any mode, including CW.

Go work some Frenchmen on 6M. I've heard they've got all kinds of
priveleges!!!

French hams fall under the jurisdiction of the French PTT.

Indeed they do.

You understand that now? You seemed to have trouble with it in the
past.

None whatsoever. But it takes two amateurs to make a circuit.

I don't tell
them where they can operate and neither does the FCC.

Nor does the government of Tanzania.

Nor does the CEO of Nabisco. Has there been a problem in the past with
those pesky Tanzanians issuing notices to scofflaw French hams?

Did Nabisco issue any?

And I never classified Tanzanian Officials as "pesky."

They are
responsible for the operation of their stations and I am responsible
only for the operation of mine.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I gather from some of the things you've written that you've got 'em and
that you're smoking 'em.

I'd have to be to intentionally work bootleggers.

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...

Then, why the opening remarks then and now, with this post, about how long
Carl was a Tech and his alledged comments on CW? Why enter that into your
remarks at all, Dave, if not to cast attention to that? If you are casting
attention to that, then why?

Dave has a problem with the old Techs, the Tech Plusses, and
presumably the Techs with Code.

I didn't address those you mention. I addressed Carl.

Exactly. You continued to address Carl as if he were a Tech. Which
he is not.

No, I continued to address Carl as a churl, which he is.

Which is how you address Techs.

That's another incorrect claim you've made.

Prove it.

Au contraire, mon petit electrolyte, you need to prove that your claim
is correct.

They aren't 13wpm hams. They aren't
worthy to share his band space.

No, they haven't been tested at 13 wpm or at 20 wpm. I didn't address
that issue.

Oh, my. Oh, dear. You merely addressed Carl's tenure on the
Technician band space.

I didn't address space at all. I addressed Carl's sitting on an old
Tech ticket for 2 1/2 decades until the requirements were lowered.

Ding, ding, ding. The bell on my M28 rings each time you bring that up.

Then you need to check your wiring.

For what?

A faulty dinger.

Now that Carl can share Dave's band space...

Carl may share some space with me.

Carl can share any space with you that he wishes. That is what the
FCC mean's by issuing him an Extra license. Get used to it. Naw,
nevermind.

Carl may share some space.

May share all space.

He may and he may not.

Take it up with his hairdresser. The FCC says he may share all space,
and thats good enough for me.

Please quote that "may share space" FCC document.
He's allocated the same frequencies. He may or may not share the same
space.

While the FCC permits Carl the same access
as I hold, no amount of wishing on his part will make it likely that
Carl will share space with me in some areas of the bands. If such did
come to pass, he likely wouldn't recognize that fact.

Nor would you.

Sure I would, Brian.

How is that?

That is one for the little electrolyte to ponder. Go to it!

You treat him as if he were still a Tech.

No, I treat him as if he were still a churl.

A Tech.

No, I treat him as if he were still a churl.

There are plenty of areas on a
number of bands where I doubt I'll run into Carl. Come to think of it,
I doubt I'll run into you in those spots.

Duh! I don't have Extra priv's, Oh Master of Amateur Radio!!!

Duh, indeed! I don't operate only in Extra Class band segments but I do
use morse about 50% of the time. I'm banking on not running into you.

I don't need West Virginia.

So your reason for not using morse is that you don't need West Virginia?
That's some interesting logic.

No, I'd prefer not to work you on any mode, including CW.

Why didn't you write that instead of leading us to believe that the
reason was that you don't "need" West Virginia?

Go work some Frenchmen on 6M. I've heard they've got all kinds of
priveleges!!!

French hams fall under the jurisdiction of the French PTT.

Indeed they do.

You understand that now? You seemed to have trouble with it in the
past.

None whatsoever. But it takes two amateurs to make a circuit.

It certainly does. Two Frenchmen working each under fall under the
jurisdiction of the French PTT. A station in France working a station
in Tanzania is quite the different story. If the Frenchman breaks his
regs, it is up to the French authorities to discipline him. Maybe
they've contracted the job to some fellow in Ohio.

I don't tell
them where they can operate and neither does the FCC.

Nor does the government of Tanzania.

Nor does the CEO of Nabisco. Has there been a problem in the past with
those pesky Tanzanians issuing notices to scofflaw French hams?

Did Nabisco issue any?

Did Tanzania? Did France?

And I never classified Tanzanian Officials as "pesky."

No, you didn't. I used that term in sarcastic response to your
misdirection.

They are
responsible for the operation of their stations and I am responsible
only for the operation of mine.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I gather from some of the things you've written that you've got 'em and
that you're smoking 'em.

I'd have to be to intentionally work bootleggers.

Why are you intentionally working bootleggers?

Dave K8MN

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com...

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com...

"Bert Craig" wrote in message
. net...
That's because it not supposed to. It "forces" the newbie to get a
taste
of
CW. Then it's up to the individual to either take him/herself
further
or
drop it entirely. Many will never know if CW truly interested them
because
they will not have been made to even try.


Exactly. It's nice to see it so neatly. It's the same reason that
students
are required to study a number of items which they may or may not
pursue
in
the future.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Then I say we test on every mode there is. If you support that for
CW,
then
surely you support it for other modes.

Kim W5TIT


No problem. I'm ready. Are you?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Yep, but the testing in all areas of the mode will never happen. So, do
you
still support it just for CW?

Kim W5TIT

Yes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Now that Carl can share Dave's band space...

Carl may share some space with me.

Carl can share any space with you that he wishes. That is what the
FCC mean's by issuing him an Extra license. Get used to it. Naw,
nevermind.

Carl may share some space.

May share all space.

He may and he may not.

Take it up with his hairdresser. The FCC says he may share all space,
and thats good enough for me.

Please quote that "may share space" FCC document.

Please quote the "Farnsworth Exam at 13-15wpm is the same as the Morse
Exam at 5wpm" FCC document.

He's allocated the same frequencies. He may or may not share the same
space.

Which is it? May or May Not?