On 12 Aug 2003 23:40:10 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

Here's the definition anyway:

QFU? - What is the magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be used?

QFU - The magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be used is ...

I've never heard that on the ham bands, though.

I've never heard it on the aeronautical bands, either, even though
that's obviously the intended application of that particular Q-signal.
That's a relic from days long forgotten. Today they get that info from
ATIS before they even contact approach control.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ
"Advise on initial contact you have information Lima."

Three to look at URL:
http://www.wemsi.org/qsigs.html

Another:
http://www.kloth.net/radio/qcodes.php

Today's Q-signals (More or Less)
http://home.earthlink.net/~k7bfl/intqsig.html

From The Keyboard In The Wilderness.

And QFU is legitimate as below.
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"Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message
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On 12 Aug 2003 23:40:10 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

Here's the definition anyway:

QFU? - What is the magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be
used?

QFU - The magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be used is ...

I've never heard that on the ham bands, though.

I've never heard it on the aeronautical bands, either, even though
that's obviously the intended application of that particular Q-signal.
That's a relic from days long forgotten. Today they get that info from
ATIS before they even contact approach control.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ
"Advise on initial contact you have information Lima."

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:52:51 -0700, "Keyboard In The Wilderness"
wrote:

And QFU is legitimate as below.
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If I gave the impression that I meant to imply otherwise, I apologize
to N2EY. There are numerous Q-signals that were originally for
aeronautical use, back when CW was used for communications with
airplanes. I was just pointing out that they aren't used anymore.
Comms between aircraft and from air-to-ground are in AM mode. No need
for q-signals there, and as I say, the ATIS tells the flight crew
which runway is in use anyway.

7e DE John, KC2HMZ

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

On 12 Aug 2003 23:40:10 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

Here's the definition anyway:

QFU? - What is the magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be used?

QFU - The magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be used is ...

I've never heard that on the ham bands, though.

I've never heard it on the aeronautical bands, either, even though
that's obviously the intended application of that particular Q-signal.

Of course.

Morse code was used in aviation from the earliest days until at least the
1950s.
Of course that's all gone now except for some range markers.

That's a relic from days long forgotten.

Gone, but not forgotten. Some years back I read an article in "Air and Space"
by someone who had been a commercial aviation radio operator in the '50s and
who had used Morse in that job.

Today they get that info from
ATIS before they even contact approach control.

Of course.

Didja know that there used to be questions on the common Q signals on the
written tests?

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Reverend Jim at the Taxi stand) writes:

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

On 12 Aug 2003 23:40:10 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

Here's the definition anyway:

QFU? - What is the magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be used?

QFU - The magnetic direction (or number) of the runway to be used is ...

I've never heard that on the ham bands, though.

I've never heard it on the aeronautical bands, either, even though
that's obviously the intended application of that particular Q-signal.

Of course.

Morse code was used in aviation from the earliest days until at least the
1950s.
Of course that's all gone now except for some range markers.

Please tell us all about when you flew those old "A-N" ranges. :-)

VORs have been in use on civil airways since before 1960. A lot more
accurate, easier to use, much less pilot error than the "range markers."

That's a relic from days long forgotten.

Gone, but not forgotten. Some years back I read an article in "Air and Space"
by someone who had been a commercial aviation radio operator in the '50s and
who had used Morse in that job.

Oh, my, you love the past. :-)

I bought my first PC from a former TWA radio operator, John, who
managed ComSoft in Sun Valley, CA. He was selling computer
stuff because he'd been downsized from international flying long
before. Just a block from the intersection of San Fernando Road
and Vineland. John and his Dragon Lady retired years ago, a victim
of capitalism, unable to compete with CompUSA and Fry's Electronics.

Nice guy, told a lot of stories. Of flying, not about morsemanship.

Today they get that info from
ATIS before they even contact approach control.

Of course.

You KNOW what "ATIS" is, right? :-)

Didja know that there used to be questions on the common Q signals on the
written tests?

Didja know you can address all your written test content complaints to
the VEC QPC? They are radio amateurs themselves.

I'm sure they would include a question on "QFU" if any ham is expected
to line up his ham aircraft on a runway bearing.

Beep, beep.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:

Please tell us all about when you flew those old "A-N" ranges. :-)

Did they let you fly your model aircraft on some old airfields, Len? :-)

VORs have been in use on civil airways since before 1960. A lot more
accurate, easier to use, much less pilot error than the "range markers."


Oh, my, you love the past. :-)

An interesting comment coming from one who frequently brings up THE past
as well as his own past. :-)


Didja know you can address all your written test content complaints to
the VEC QPC? They are radio amateurs themselves.

I'm sure they would include a question on "QFU" if any ham is expected
to line up his ham aircraft on a runway bearing.

Beep, beep.

Why are you concerned? You're no more a radio amateur than you are a
pilot.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

about a post to James Miccolis

Len Over 21 wrote:

Please tell us all about when you flew those old "A-N" ranges. :-)

Did they let you fly your model aircraft on some old airfields, Len? :-)

Not "old" ones. Try Apollo Field at the Sepulveda Dam Recreation
Area in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley. Real runway and ramp.
Popular with the Large Scale R/C groups here. Lots of model helo
flying too.

Model aircraft hobbyists lobbied for and got a whole bunch of 72 MHz
channels for R/C some while back. They still have them. Look in
Part 95, Title 47 CFR.


VORs have been in use on civil airways since before 1960. A lot more
accurate, easier to use, much less pilot error than the "range markers."

Oh, my, you love the past. :-)

An interesting comment coming from one who frequently brings up THE past
as well as his own past. :-)

The OLD "range markers" (actually "range beacon system") went
out with civil aviation way back in 1955 with new ICAO rules on
radio and radionavigation.

VOR or Very high frequency Omnidirectional radio Range, offers at
least a quantum leap over the old morse keyed "A-N" beacons.
Anyone claiming they do air navigation by those old "A-N" beacons
is at least 48 years out of touch with reality.

Morsemen tend to be out of touch with reality.

Didja know you can address all your written test content complaints to
the VEC QPC? They are radio amateurs themselves.

I'm sure they would include a question on "QFU" if any ham is expected
to line up his ham aircraft on a runway bearing.

Beep, beep.

Why are you concerned? You're no more a radio amateur than you are a
pilot.

I've designed and proved civil aviation radionavigation avionics. Those
worked very well.

Of course that was as a professional, something you detest.

I passed my US private pilot written exam in 1962. Gave up piloting
due to cost...$17.50/hour dual, $12.00/hour solo back then. A typical
four-place, single-engine, retractable-gear light aircraft back then cost
$30K (Mooney, only bare essentials of instrumentation). Hull insurance
premiums were 10% annual for beginning pilot-owners.

Back in 1963 my house purchase price was $30,500. It is now worth
about $375 to $390 thousand if I were to put it on the market. I made a
wise move to invest in real estate instead of a cute lil airplane...those
haven't appreciated very much in 40 years.

What the hell is your problem, Herr Robust? AVIATION isn't the
subject of this thread...someone else brought up aviation. You don't
have anything to do with aviation except to rack up frequent cryer
miles in here.

You don't know a VORTAC from hardtack. If you heard ATCRBS
pronounced you would think it an insect infestation. Pfffft.

LHA.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

about a post to James Miccolis

Len Over 21 wrote:

Please tell us all about when you flew those old "A-N" ranges. :-)

Did they let you fly your model aircraft on some old airfields, Len? :-)

Not "old" ones. Try Apollo Field at the Sepulveda Dam Recreation
Area in Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley. Real runway and ramp.
Popular with the Large Scale R/C groups here. Lots of model helo
flying too.

That's great, Len--almost like the real thing.

Model aircraft hobbyists lobbied for and got a whole bunch of 72 MHz
channels for R/C some while back. They still have them. Look in
Part 95, Title 47 CFR.

That's perfectly marvelous.

VORs have been in use on civil airways since before 1960. A lot more
accurate, easier to use, much less pilot error than the "range markers."

Oh, my, you love the past. :-)

An interesting comment coming from one who frequently brings up THE past
as well as his own past. :-)

The OLD "range markers" (actually "range beacon system") went
out with civil aviation way back in 1955 with new ICAO rules on
radio and radionavigation.

VOR or Very high frequency Omnidirectional radio Range, offers at
least a quantum leap over the old morse keyed "A-N" beacons.
Anyone claiming they do air navigation by those old "A-N" beacons
is at least 48 years out of touch with reality.

So who claimed the be doing such navigation? I knew a guy who, back in
the early 1980's, regularly navigated to Louisville from Cincinnati by
homing on WHAS's signal.

Morsemen tend to be out of touch with reality.

How would you know?

Didja know you can address all your written test content complaints to
the VEC QPC? They are radio amateurs themselves.

I'm sure they would include a question on "QFU" if any ham is expected
to line up his ham aircraft on a runway bearing.

Beep, beep.

Why are you concerned? You're no more a radio amateur than you are a
pilot.

I've designed and proved civil aviation radionavigation avionics. Those
worked very well.

Is that the same as being a pilot?

Of course that was as a professional, something you detest.

I don't detest professionals. I worked as a professional.

I passed my US private pilot written exam in 1962. Gave up piloting
due to cost...$17.50/hour dual, $12.00/hour solo back then. A typical
four-place, single-engine, retractable-gear light aircraft back then cost
$30K (Mooney, only bare essentials of instrumentation). Hull insurance
premiums were 10% annual for beginning pilot-owners.

All of that to state that you are not currently a pilot?

Back in 1963 my house purchase price was $30,500. It is now worth
about $375 to $390 thousand if I were to put it on the market. I made a
wise move to invest in real estate instead of a cute lil airplane...those
haven't appreciated very much in 40 years.

Don't get overly-prideful on us, Len. That's the second time you've
mentioned the worth of your home in as many days.

What the hell is your problem, Herr Robust? AVIATION isn't the
subject of this thread...someone else brought up aviation.

Oh, my mistake. I could have sworn that you were commenting about
aviation. In fact, I believe you wrote about it in the post to which
I'm currently responding.

You don't
have anything to do with aviation except to rack up frequent cryer
miles in here.

How would you know?

You don't know a VORTAC from hardtack. If you heard ATCRBS
pronounced you would think it an insect infestation. Pfffft.

ATCRBS doesn't have any vowels.

Dave K8MN