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Mike Coslo August 1st 03 01:49 AM

QR10-4
 
Just practicing one of the the new Q signals....

- Mike KB3EIA -


Larry Roll K3LT August 1st 03 03:51 AM

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Just practicing one of the the new Q signals....


QR10-4, QGB! I'm QPM, so QBD me!

(Translation: "Ten-Fawhar, Good Buddie! I'll be putting the pedal to the
metal now, so watch my back door!)

73 de Larry, K3LT


Radio Amateur KC2HMZ August 1st 03 08:40 PM

On 01 Aug 2003 02:51:52 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)
wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Just practicing one of the the new Q signals....


QR10-4, QGB! I'm QPM, so QBD me!

(Translation: "Ten-Fawhar, Good Buddie! I'll be putting the pedal to the
metal now, so watch my back door!)

73 de Larry, K3LT


You seem to toss that CB jargon around pretty well, Larry. Don't tell
me...no, it couldn't be...could it?

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


N2EY August 2nd 03 01:27 PM

In article HCzWa.19205$ff.8465@fed1read01, "Mike Ro Farad"
writes:

Ask 100 Hams if they have ever been on CB --- 50% will fess up -- and the
other 50% are just not telling the truth ---


I've never been on cb. I've listened there, but never transmitted.



Larry Roll K3LT August 3rd 03 04:02 AM

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

QR10-4, QGB! I'm QPM, so QBD me!

(Translation: "Ten-Fawhar, Good Buddie! I'll be putting the pedal to the
metal now, so watch my back door!)

73 de Larry, K3LT


You seem to toss that CB jargon around pretty well, Larry. Don't tell
me...no, it couldn't be...could it?

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


John:

Yep, it is true! I was once a CB'er, for a whole six months! I was the
Asst. Mgr. of the Radio Shack store in Depew, NY at the time, and I gave
myself a 30% discount on a Realistic TRC-23 CB transceiver -- the top-of-
the-line AM CB rig at the time in the era just before 40 channels. I
installed it in my 1972 Dodge Colt with a 102" whip antenna, and actually
got a lot of use out of it when travelling between the area R/S stores on
stock transfer missions and going to/from the repair shop in Buffalo.
When I quit the job at Radio Shack and joined the Air Force, that was
the end of my brilliant career as a CB'er!

73 de Larry, K3LT
Ex: KHM-7772 (Handle: "Sky King")


leaky fawecettes August 3rd 03 06:25 AM


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Just practicing one of the the new Q signals....

- Mike KB3EIA -


Another guy in here thinks the end of CW spells
the complete end of ham radio.....how utterly
pathetic...


Carl R. Stevenson August 3rd 03 03:59 PM


"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , Radio Amateur

KC2HMZ
writes:

QR10-4, QGB! I'm QPM, so QBD me!

(Translation: "Ten-Fawhar, Good Buddie! I'll be putting the pedal to

the
metal now, so watch my back door!)

73 de Larry, K3LT


You seem to toss that CB jargon around pretty well, Larry. Don't tell
me...no, it couldn't be...could it?

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


John:

Yep, it is true! I was once a CB'er, for a whole six months! I was the
Asst. Mgr. of the Radio Shack store in Depew, NY at the time,


We should have known ... "Radio Shack, you've got questions, we're
clueless,"
I'm sure Larry fit in quite well.

Carl - wk3c


Larry Roll K3LT August 3rd 03 07:00 PM

In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

John:

Yep, it is true! I was once a CB'er, for a whole six months! I was the
Asst. Mgr. of the Radio Shack store in Depew, NY at the time,


We should have known ... "Radio Shack, you've got questions, we're
clueless," I'm sure Larry fit in quite well.


Carl:

Actually, I did fit into Radio Shack very well. I had a great time working
there,
was actually able to meet my sales quotas and make some real money, and
I had a lot of customers who would come into the store and ask for me by
name since I had a reputation for knowing what I was talking about and I was
willing to provide some actual customer service beyond taking money and
handing out receipts. I helped many customers with auto stereo and CB
installations, I did minor repairs in-store, and I'd drive all over Buffalo
doing
stock transfers in order to get customers things that my store didn't have
on hand at the time. I would have ultimately been a store manager if I had
not joined the Air Force at the urging of my best friend Fran, N2HMG.

Radio shack was a great place for a young person interested in electronics
to work in the early '70's. Today's R/S employees are nothing like us "old
timers" used to be. Today, I go into a R/S store and ask them about a
pay-as-you-go cell phone plan that they have mentioned on their own
store displays, and they don't know anything about it! Nothing technical,
just a matter of knowing the specifics of the plan! Sheez! My brother Tom
told me one of the best stories about current R/S cluelessness: He
went in to his local store and asked for a particular Operational Amplifier.
The salesfreak indignantly replied, "All of our amplifiers work, Sir!"

73 de Larry, K3LT


Kim W5TIT August 4th 03 01:11 AM

"Floyd Davidson" wrote in message
...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

Yep, it is true! I was once a CB'er, for a whole six months! I was

the
Asst. Mgr. of the Radio Shack store in Depew, NY at the time,


We should have known ... "Radio Shack, you've got questions, we're
clueless,"
I'm sure Larry fit in quite well.


Ain't this just tooooo precious. Both DICK Carrol and Larry ROLL
turn out to be refugees from the CB channels.

Of course, they *act* like it too.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)


The things that upset us most are often things we see as qualities in our
ownselves.

Kim W5TIT


---
Posted via
news://freenews.netfront.net
Complaints to

Floyd Davidson August 4th 03 01:35 AM

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
Ain't this just tooooo precious. Both DICK Carrol and Larry ROLL
turn out to be refugees from the CB channels.

Of course, they *act* like it too.


The things that upset us most are often things we see as qualities in our
ownselves.


That is true, and it is often reflected in the things people
say when they try to insult others. Both of them have a pretty
stock set of insults, which clearly are based on what they
understand about themselves, but are gratuitously thrown at
anyone who disagrees with them.

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Carl R. Stevenson August 4th 03 12:42 PM


"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

John:

Yep, it is true! I was once a CB'er, for a whole six months! I was

the
Asst. Mgr. of the Radio Shack store in Depew, NY at the time,


We should have known ... "Radio Shack, you've got questions, we're
clueless," I'm sure Larry fit in quite well.


Carl:

Actually, I did fit into Radio Shack very well. I had a great time

working
there,

Figures ...
[snipped some of the bragging about what a great employee Larry was]

Radio shack was a great place for a young person interested in electronics
to work in the early '70's. Today's R/S employees are nothing like us

"old
timers" used to be.


Baloney ... I've (tried to) buy parts from time to time at R/S ... the folks
20 or more years ago were just as clueless as today from my experience.

Today, I go into a R/S store and ask them about a
pay-as-you-go cell phone plan that they have mentioned on their own
store displays, and they don't know anything about it! Nothing technical,
just a matter of knowing the specifics of the plan! Sheez! My brother

Tom
told me one of the best stories about current R/S cluelessness: He
went in to his local store and asked for a particular Operational

Amplifier.
The salesfreak indignantly replied, "All of our amplifiers work, Sir!"

73 de Larry, K3LT


I knew that sooner or later this thread vis a vis Larry's history as
a CBer/radio shack employee would draw out the "But things
were different in the good old days and we were/are better than
the newbies today! ego trip ... :-)

Carl - wk3c


Dave Heil August 4th 03 03:06 PM

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , Radio Amateur

KC2HMZ
writes:

QR10-4, QGB! I'm QPM, so QBD me!

(Translation: "Ten-Fawhar, Good Buddie! I'll be putting the pedal to

the
metal now, so watch my back door!)

73 de Larry, K3LT

You seem to toss that CB jargon around pretty well, Larry. Don't tell
me...no, it couldn't be...could it?

73 DE John, KC2HMZ


John:

Yep, it is true! I was once a CB'er, for a whole six months! I was the
Asst. Mgr. of the Radio Shack store in Depew, NY at the time,


We should have known ... "Radio Shack, you've got questions, we're
clueless,"
I'm sure Larry fit in quite well.


So where is Kim? Shouldn't she be jumping on Carl over irrelevant
comments directed at Larry?

Dave K8MN

Brian August 5th 03 03:39 AM

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS. But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys. Or at least he tries to.
Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

Brian August 5th 03 03:43 AM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Floyd Davidson wrote:

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Izzat Len's function here, Floyd? I was always of the opinion that
Leonard H. was MY cheap form of entertainment.


Chalk it up to a lack of understanding.

Of all the posters here,
I can't think of one invidual less relevant to amateur radio's past,
present or future--not that much of anything he sez is great or exactly
correct.

Dave K8MN


Whatever he say is probably more relavent than working out of band
Frenchmen on 6M. Especially the part about Korean War teletype
operations.

Dave Heil August 5th 03 03:53 AM

Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.


Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.


Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.


That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Or at least he tries to.


Or at least you attempt to let on that he does.

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.


What's your claim to credibility?

Dave K8MN

Larry Roll K3LT August 5th 03 04:09 AM

In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

Radio shack was a great place for a young person interested in electronics
to work in the early '70's. Today's R/S employees are nothing like us

"old
timers" used to be.


Baloney ... I've (tried to) buy parts from time to time at R/S ... the folks
20 or more years ago were just as clueless as today from my experience.


Carl:

Nobody's going to deny that, especially not me! My own store manager
didn't know what the difference between a resistor and a capacitor was!
However, I'm willing to bet that in the early to mid-70's, there were a lot
more technically knowledgeable RS employees than there are now.

Today, I go into a R/S store and ask them about a
pay-as-you-go cell phone plan that they have mentioned on their own
store displays, and they don't know anything about it! Nothing technical,
just a matter of knowing the specifics of the plan! Sheez! My brother

Tom
told me one of the best stories about current R/S cluelessness: He
went in to his local store and asked for a particular Operational

Amplifier.
The salesfreak indignantly replied, "All of our amplifiers work, Sir!"

73 de Larry, K3LT


I knew that sooner or later this thread vis a vis Larry's history as
a CBer/radio shack employee would draw out the "But things
were different in the good old days and we were/are better than
the newbies today! ego trip ... :-)


Well, Carl, that's just the reality of the situation. You do understand
the concept of reality, don't you?

73 de Larry, K3LT


Larry Roll K3LT August 5th 03 04:09 AM

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We should have known ... "Radio Shack, you've got questions, we're
clueless,"
I'm sure Larry fit in quite well.


So where is Kim? Shouldn't she be jumping on Carl over irrelevant
comments directed at Larry?


I don't think so, Dave. That wouldn't serve her agenda -- whatever
that is!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Radio Amateur KC2HMZ August 5th 03 05:00 AM

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:11:33 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:


The things that upset us most are often things we see as qualities in our
ownselves.


Careful, Kim. I almost asked if that's why Dick and Larry seem to
upset you so much.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ
RadioScrap: You've Got Questions, We've Got Dumb Looks.


Floyd Davidson August 5th 03 09:01 AM

Dave Heil wrote:
Floyd Davidson wrote:

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Izzat Len's function here, Floyd? I was always of the opinion that
Leonard H. was MY cheap form of entertainment. Of all the posters here,
I can't think of one invidual less relevant to amateur radio's past,
present or future--not that much of anything he sez is great or exactly
correct.

Dave K8MN


Dave, did you hear a whistle just as you read that?

It was the point, that went right over your head...

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Brian August 5th 03 11:42 AM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.


Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.


At least I'm not his bunyon.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.


Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.


You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.


That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.


Bully for you.

Or at least he tries to.


Or at least you attempt to let on that he does.

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.


What's your claim to credibility?


I yam what I yam.

Brian August 5th 03 11:50 AM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Floyd Davidson wrote:

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Izzat Len's function here, Floyd? I was always of the opinion that
Leonard H. was MY cheap form of entertainment.


Chalk it up to a lack of understanding.


I have: Floyd's. I can add you if you like.


See what I mean.

Of all the posters here,
I can't think of one invidual less relevant to amateur radio's past,
present or future--not that much of anything he sez is great or exactly
correct.



Whatever he say is probably more relavent than working out of band
Frenchmen on 6M.


It may be "relavent" but it isn't relevant and more than your attempted
diversion.


Huh? Does not compute.

Especially the part about Korean War teletype
operations.


Oh, yeah! That was loaded with useful information relating to amateur
radio.


Sure. Lots of amateurs have hired a crane to drop a M28 in their
basement.

Len has admitted a decades-long interest in amateur radio. Len
has been posting here for over seven years. He hasn't acted on his
amateur radio fanstasy in those decades and he hasn't acted on it in
seven years. Len's avocation is posting to a usenet group devoted to
soemthing in which he is a non-participant. You're his little
electrolyte.


That's so sweet. Its nice to know that one has to hold an amateur
license to be able to comment on amatuer radio. I can't decide who
points out that Len doesn't hold an amateur license more; you or
Steve.

Dave Heil August 5th 03 01:29 PM

Floyd Davidson wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Floyd Davidson wrote:

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Izzat Len's function here, Floyd? I was always of the opinion that
Leonard H. was MY cheap form of entertainment. Of all the posters here,
I can't think of one invidual less relevant to amateur radio's past,
present or future--not that much of anything he sez is great or exactly
correct.

Dave K8MN


Dave, did you hear a whistle just as you read that?

It was the point, that went right over your head...


No, I heard no whistle. Must have been pointless.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil August 5th 03 01:39 PM

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.


Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.


At least I'm not his bunyon.


One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.


Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.


You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.


Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.


That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.


Bully for you.


....and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.


Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.


What's your claim to credibility?


I yam what I yam.


Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil August 5th 03 01:50 PM

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Floyd Davidson wrote:

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Izzat Len's function here, Floyd? I was always of the opinion that
Leonard H. was MY cheap form of entertainment.

Chalk it up to a lack of understanding.


I have: Floyd's. I can add you if you like.


See what I mean.


No, I don't.

Of all the posters here,
I can't think of one invidual less relevant to amateur radio's past,
present or future--not that much of anything he sez is great or exactly
correct.



Whatever he say is probably more relavent than working out of band
Frenchmen on 6M.


It may be "relavent" but it isn't relevant and more than your attempted
diversion.


Huh? Does not compute.


No, it doesn't. I have to stop posting when it is past my bedtime.

Especially the part about Korean War teletype
operations.


Oh, yeah! That was loaded with useful information relating to amateur
radio.


Sure. Lots of amateurs have hired a crane to drop a M28 in their
basement.


Have they? The guys I've known who owned them just carted them in.
I don't know anyone who uses a Mod 28 now. Loads of people were giving
them away a decade or so back. I know one fellow who turned the cabinet
of his into a bar. His wife wasn't as fond of it as he was. Think
there's a Mod 28 in the Anderson home communications center?

Len has admitted a decades-long interest in amateur radio. Len
has been posting here for over seven years. He hasn't acted on his
amateur radio fanstasy in those decades and he hasn't acted on it in
seven years. Len's avocation is posting to a usenet group devoted to
soemthing in which he is a non-participant. You're his little
electrolyte.


That's so sweet. Its nice to know that one has to hold an amateur
license to be able to comment on amatuer radio.


Nothing has prevented Len Anderson from commenting here. He has been
doing so for better than seven years. No one is required to agree with
him or to remain silent while a man with no experience in amateur radio
attempts to tell licensed hams how amateur radio should be shaped and
regulated. No one is forced to remain mum while he takes potshots at
the ARS, radio amateurs or the ARRL.

I can't decide who
points out that Len doesn't hold an amateur license more; you or
Steve.


I'll let you work that out. It doesn't matter to me and I'm sure Steve
isn't in competition with me on the issue.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil August 5th 03 02:00 PM

"Dick Carroll;" wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:
Floyd Davidson wrote:

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Izzat Len's function here, Floyd? I was always of the opinion that
Leonard H. was MY cheap form of entertainment. Of all the posters here,
I can't think of one invidual less relevant to amateur radio's past,
present or future--not that much of anything he sez is great or exactly
correct.

Dave K8MN


Dave, did you hear a whistle just as you read that?

It was the point, that went right over your head...


Dave, you won't want to pay too much attention to Frozen Floyd, the permafrost has obviously made it to his brain.


It is a brave new world where Len Anderson, the old sharpie, is able to
use me as his plaything. That's the kind of world where Floyd is
sitting under a palm on the Alaskan Riviera.

Dave K8MN

Brian August 5th 03 09:08 PM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
to comment on amatuer radio.

Nothing has prevented Len Anderson from commenting here. He has been
doing so for better than seven years. No one is required to agree with
him or to remain silent while a man with no experience in amateur radio
attempts to tell licensed hams how amateur radio should be shaped and
regulated. No one is forced to remain mum while he takes potshots at
the ARS, radio amateurs or the ARRL.


Why do you classify them as "potshots?"

I can't decide who
points out that Len doesn't hold an amateur license more; you or
Steve.


I'll let you work that out. It doesn't matter to me and I'm sure Steve
isn't in competition with me on the issue.


Yet it really bugs you'se guys.

Brian August 5th 03 09:19 PM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.

Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.


At least I'm not his bunyon.


One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.


Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.


You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.


Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.


What purpose does that serve? The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.


Bully for you.


...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.


Nothing false there.

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?


I yam what I yam.


Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.


I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.

Dave Heil August 5th 03 10:10 PM

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
to comment on amatuer radio.

Nothing has prevented Len Anderson from commenting here. He has been
doing so for better than seven years. No one is required to agree with
him or to remain silent while a man with no experience in amateur radio
attempts to tell licensed hams how amateur radio should be shaped and
regulated. No one is forced to remain mum while he takes potshots at
the ARS, radio amateurs or the ARRL.


Why do you classify them as "potshots?"


I'm surprised that you find it necessary to ask.

I can't decide who
points out that Len doesn't hold an amateur license more; you or
Steve.


I'll let you work that out. It doesn't matter to me and I'm sure Steve
isn't in competition with me on the issue.


Yet it really bugs you'se guys.


No, it really bugs Len. Good luck in making your decision as to who
brings it up more often.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil August 5th 03 10:18 PM

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:


One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.


Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.


You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.


Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.


What purpose does that serve?


It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.

The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.


The vast majority of policy makers at the FCC have nothing whatever to
do with amateur radio. Those that are involved in the regulation of the
ARS, are quite knowledgeable about the service. They are paid to know.
Additionally, there are radio amateurs on the FCC staff. That has
nothing to do with the issue of Len Anderson. He isn't a participant in
amateur nor is he a regulator of amateur radio. Len is totally
irrelevant to amateur radio.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.


No, you won't hear me complaining often though there are times when the
Commission makes a decision which I don't like or which is just plain
wrong. Len makes no such decisions and is not involved in amateur
radio.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.


...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.


Nothing false there.


Just the ones beginning "But when confronted with mere Technician..."
and "One David Heil demands..." Are you going for three?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.


Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.


I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.


That has been evident for some time.

Dave K8MN

Floyd Davidson August 5th 03 10:56 PM

Dave Heil wrote:
Brian wrote:

Yet it really bugs you'se guys.


No, it really bugs Len. Good luck in making your decision as to who
brings it up more often.


It does? Is that why he's been using you for entertainment (and I
might add, providing others with great laughs) for how many years?

Seven??? And _you_ think it bugs him!

Dave gets out of bed every day and immediately hangs a target on
himself to help Len get a good aim...

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Brian Kelly August 6th 03 01:05 AM

(Brian) wrote in message . com...
Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS. But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys. Or at least he tries to.
Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up."


Ya still don't even get the relationship between wavelength and
frequency huh? It's 200 Meters and DOWN ya dim bulb.

No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.


w3rv

Brian Kelly August 6th 03 08:35 AM

(AveryFine) wrote in message ...
Subject: Larry "outed" as ex-CBer (was QR10-4)
From:
(Brian)
Date: 8/4/03 10:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message
...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.


Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.


Is this Len Anderson person a cannibal?

Are you his acolyte or disciple?


Apprentice. Same thing.


One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS. But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys. Or at least he tries to.


How?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department.


You seem to be very interested in a subject that is inappropriate for amateur
radio. Why is that?

Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up."


Who are you referring to?
Where can I buy the book?

No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.


Who are you referring to?

Brian Burke, your postings here are quite bizarre.

Is there a rational reason for your behavior?


Sort of. Unfortunately his father was involved in the atom bomb
experiments which were conducted just after WW2 . .

w3rv

Brian August 6th 03 01:17 PM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:


One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.


Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.


You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.


What purpose does that serve?


It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.


Yet he knows more about radio then you. How can that be if he has no experience?

The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.


The vast majority of policy makers at the FCC have nothing whatever to
do with amateur radio. Those that are involved in the regulation of the
ARS, are quite knowledgeable about the service.


They fooled me with the last restructuring NOI/NPRM.

They are paid to know.


Wasted money.

Additionally, there are radio amateurs on the FCC staff.


So every amateur on "staff" makes policy and rules?

That has
nothing to do with the issue of Len Anderson. He isn't a participant in
amateur nor is he a regulator of amateur radio. Len is totally
irrelevant to amateur radio.


You are in the minority in thinking that.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.


No, you won't hear me complaining often though there are times when the
Commission makes a decision which I don't like or which is just plain
wrong. Len makes no such decisions and is not involved in amateur
radio.


So why so do you give him so much attention?

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.


Nothing false there.


Just the ones beginning "But when confronted with mere Technician..."
and "One David Heil demands..." Are you going for three?


Sure. Why not?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.


I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.


That has been evident for some time.


And you are unsatisfied with yours?

Must you try to tear down Len at every opportunity to boost your stature?

AveryFine August 7th 03 12:56 AM

Subject: Larry "outed" as ex-CBer (was QR10-4)
From: (Brian Kelly)
Date: 8/6/03 3:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(AveryFine) wrote in message
...
Subject: Larry "outed" as ex-CBer (was QR10-4)
From:
(Brian)
Date: 8/4/03 10:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message
...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.


Is this Len Anderson person a cannibal?

Are you his acolyte or disciple?


Apprentice. Same thing.


Thank you for the information.

Do you know if Len Anderson is a cannibal? Claims have been made that he eats
others for breakfast.


One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS. But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys. Or at least he tries to.


How?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department.


You seem to be very interested in a subject that is inappropriate for

amateur
radio. Why is that?

Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up."


Who are you referring to?
Where can I buy the book?

No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.


Who are you referring to?

Brian Burke, your postings here are quite bizarre.

Is there a rational reason for your behavior?


Sort of. Unfortunately his father was involved in the atom bomb
experiments which were conducted just after WW2 . .

So were a lot of other people.

Is there a scientific correlation?

Oddly enough, today is the 58th anniversary of the atomic attack on the
Japanese city of Hiroshima. It is estimated that 150,000 people, mostly
civilians, died as a direct result of that attack.





Len Over 21 August 7th 03 01:09 AM

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message

...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message

...
Brian wrote:


One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.


Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.


You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.

What purpose does that serve?


It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.


Yet he knows more about radio then you. How can that be if he has no
experience?


Poor Dave, still smarting over his alleged expertise in State Dept.
communications from the Cashew Nut Capital of Africa. :-)

He loves to put down others using "standards" of his own invention.
That saves him time and embare-assment of talking ON a subject.
It's so much easier for him to insult a communicator personally when
he doesn't have any valid argument on subjects.

That seems endemic to the members of the Gang of Four, PCTAs
all, drunk on sour whine after the rewrite of S25.5.


The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.


The vast majority of policy makers at the FCC have nothing whatever to
do with amateur radio. Those that are involved in the regulation of the
ARS, are quite knowledgeable about the service.


They fooled me with the last restructuring NOI/NPRM.

They are paid to know.


Wasted money.

Additionally, there are radio amateurs on the FCC staff.


So every amateur on "staff" makes policy and rules?


They must according to insider Dave.

All in the ARS are accountable to Dave and Dave's standards.

Probably in the same way that Arthur Andersen Co. was
"accountable" for Enron doings. :-)

That has
nothing to do with the issue of Len Anderson. He isn't a participant in
amateur nor is he a regulator of amateur radio. Len is totally
irrelevant to amateur radio.


You are in the minority in thinking that.


Probably not. There are a whole glob of old-timers who have been busy
brainwashing and being brainwashed into thinking that amateurs are the
supermen of radio. That allowed them to have superhuman status in
their own minds...adding stature to their self-images even though not
recognized by professionals.

Amateur radio is never been anything more than a hobby/recreation
activity in radio. That is an unwanted concept to the ARS lifestylers
whose whole being revolved around amateurism as superhuman radio
activity. ARS lifestylers and some old-timers just can't separate their
fantasies from realities.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.


No, you won't hear me complaining often though there are times when the
Commission makes a decision which I don't like or which is just plain
wrong. Len makes no such decisions and is not involved in amateur
radio.


So why so do you give him so much attention?


He can't help himself. :-) There's another being in here who is totally
obsessed with certain individuals...concentrating on targets it thinks
are "weak" and venting all possible bile and filth on his opponents.
"Everyone knows his name." :-)

Dave NEEDS to triumph and he isn't talking about TR-3s, either.

Dave can't possibly concede any possible viewpoint other than his own
so he MUST go after the person of his opponent rather than the subject.


But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that

rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've

written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's

two
so far in this exchange.

Nothing false there.


Just the ones beginning "But when confronted with mere Technician..."
and "One David Heil demands..." Are you going for three?


Sure. Why not?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the

dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200

Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's

dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.


That has been evident for some time.


And you are unsatisfied with yours?


Of course he is and will state so, regardless of whether or not it is true.

Must you try to tear down Len at every opportunity to boost your stature?


Dave has reached a state in his obsession where he can no longer
control himself.

No problem to me. I've seen it often enough in other places on other
subjects all throughout life. :-)

Anyone not meeting Dave's viewpoints will have their person attacked,
usually by his suddenly citing "standards" that never existed before or
are totally irrelevant to the subject under discussion. Misdirection is
what it is...his trying to win message points by starting a "new thread"
on a person's "qualifications."

================

I've been away from the newsgroup nearly two weeks, enjoying life
away from reading all the shouting and hollering in here. Now I find
there is some AOL nutcase using "Avery Fine" as a pseudonym.
That's not me anymore than the other AOL nutcase "NoCWTest" is.
:-)

Now there's probably going to be lots of wasted bandwidth about AOL
screennames and the anymouse nutcases will get all hot and huffy
about mentioning their pseudonyms. They don't have the courage to
argue subjects in anything resembling debate. All those anymouse
creatures can do is spam everyone with their garble. :-)

I guess that, for many, Dave included, the modern US ARS is all
about posturing and preening and assuming "authority" where none
was granted, and playing the radio superman role for an audience that
can see through their act. :-)

See you next week. Maybe.

Leonard H. Anderson
real person, not a pseudonym, USPS address still valid at my old
HAM RADIO Magazine bylines.

Floyd Davidson August 7th 03 02:18 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote:
Floyd Davidson writes:

It does? Is that why he's been using you for entertainment (and I
might add, providing others with great laughs) for how many years?


It's really Wry Amusement, Floyd. :-)


How true! The funniest part is how close you can fly these zingers
past the pointed heads and they *still* miss it.

Seven??? And _you_ think it bugs him!


Heh heh heh.

Doesn't bother me a bit. My interest has always been on removing the
code test for a radio license. That's begun happening internationally.
Quite satisfactory to me. More work to do on that for the US regulations
but this newsgroup is NOT the venue for any serious debate. :-)


Ain't that the truth! The only thing serious here is the degree
of mental aberation on display.

Dave gets out of bed every day and immediately hangs a target on
himself to help Len get a good aim...


Dave is a walking target. He can't help himself.

"The flag is up, the flag is waving, the flag is down...you have 20
seconds."
Old, old command on the Army firing ranges for rapid fire exchange.

I'm over-qualified for that kind of "firing," Floyd. No sense wasting any
more "ammo" here. The "target" has been hit so many times he
doesn't know he's been hit. Like a zombie he parades around in his
ARS uniform as Oberst in the Amatur SchutzStaffel (A.S.S.) and the
shine on the jackboots is enough to get a good sight picture.

See you next week. Maybe.


Keep shooting Len, and trust that there are a number of folks
who tune in for the entertainment. On an average you do pretty
good, but now and then you have a *really* fine day, and those
are priceless!

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)


No CW Test August 7th 03 11:59 AM

From: (Len Over 21)

Poor Dave, still smarting over his alleged expertise in State Dept.
communications from the Cashew Nut Capital of Africa. :-)


Was Len Anderson ever there?

He loves to put down others using "standards" of his own invention.
That saves him time and embare-assment of talking ON a subject.
It's so much easier for him to insult a communicator personally when
he doesn't have any valid argument on subjects.

That seems endemic to the members of the Gang of Four, PCTAs
all, drunk on sour whine after the rewrite of S25.5.


You are upset, Len.

"The things that upset us most are
often things we see as qualities in our
ownselves." - Kim W5TIT

There are a whole glob of old-timers who have been busy
brainwashing and being brainwashed into thinking that amateurs are the
supermen of radio. That allowed them to have superhuman status in
their own minds...adding stature to their self-images even though not
recognized by professionals.


"The things that upset us most are
often things we see as qualities in our
ownselves." - Kim W5TIT

Amateur radio is never been anything more than a hobby/recreation
activity in radio. That is an unwanted concept to the ARS lifestylers
whose whole being revolved around amateurism as superhuman radio
activity. ARS lifestylers and some old-timers just can't separate their
fantasies from realities.


"Anyone who would forsake
any communication venue
just doesn't have a clue for
the value of that venue.."
- Kim W5TIT

He can't help himself. :-) There's another being in here who is totally
obsessed with certain individuals...concentrating on targets it thinks
are "weak" and venting all possible bile and filth on his opponents.
"Everyone knows his name." :-)


"The things that upset us most are
often things we see as qualities in our
ownselves." - Kim W5TIT

================

I've been away from the newsgroup nearly two weeks, enjoying life
away from reading all the shouting and hollering in here. Now I find
there is some AOL nutcase using "Avery Fine" as a pseudonym.
That's not me anymore than the other AOL nutcase "NoCWTest" is.
:-)


You do far more "shouting" and "hollering"
than anyone else on RRAP, Len Anderson.

Who is the "nutcase"? ;-)

Now there's probably going to be lots of wasted bandwidth about AOL
screennames and the anymouse nutcases will get all hot and huffy
about mentioning their pseudonyms. They don't have the courage to
argue subjects in anything resembling debate. All those anymouse
creatures can do is spam everyone with their garble. :-)


You have set the example, Len Anderson ;-)

".....it is often reflected in the things people
say when they try to insult others. Both of
them have a pretty stock set of insults,
which clearly are based on what they
understand about themselves, but are
gratuitously thrown at anyone who
disagrees with them." - Floyd Davidson

It is interesting to see how Len Anderson
responds to those who disagree with him.



Robert Casey August 8th 03 04:30 AM


"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message


Yep, it is true! I was once a CB'er, for a whole six months! I was the
Asst. Mgr. of the Radio Shack store in Depew, NY at the time,





That's about how long I fooled around with CB until I got a ham license
back in the
summer of '76. The old tech license, now known as the "old tech plus",
general
written and 5wpm receive *AND* send. Took my test at the FCC field
office in
NYC back then. A few years back I upgraded to an "extra lite" :-) Took the
advanced and extra writtens Jan 2000 and cashed in the CSCE's on
restructuring
day.


Brian August 8th 03 02:00 PM

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

(AveryFine) wrote in message ...

Do you know if Len Anderson is a cannibal? Claims have been made that he eats
others for breakfast.


Who? When?

Dave thinks he's a pugilist.


Typo. Pigilist.


It's "pugilist."

Looks like you're hitting on all three cylinders. Same (old) stuff, different year.

Brian August 8th 03 02:02 PM

(No CW Test) wrote in message ...
From:
(Len Over 21)

Poor Dave, still smarting over his alleged expertise in State Dept.
communications from the Cashew Nut Capital of Africa. :-)


Was Len Anderson ever there?

He loves to put down others using "standards" of his own invention.
That saves him time and embare-assment of talking ON a subject.
It's so much easier for him to insult a communicator personally when
he doesn't have any valid argument on subjects.

That seems endemic to the members of the Gang of Four, PCTAs
all, drunk on sour whine after the rewrite of S25.5.


You are upset, Len.


Who is Len?


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