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"Phil Kane" wrote in message
.net... On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:45:41 -0500, Kim W5TIT wrote: The days when the monitoring stations would catch ham operators 2 or 3 kHz outside the band edge (especially in contests) are gone forever. "Cruising" is no longer a daily activity. Heh heh, and maybe CW is not so commonly understood by those at the FCC? Phil? Nope - I am told that the requirement still is 16 wpm for field office enforcement agents and 20 wpm for monitoring techs - yes, there still are those, just not as many because the mon stas are all remoted to a central point now, where each can be brought up as necessary by a single tech. Several of the field office agents are ex-monitoring techs as well. As long as Morse is permitted in any radio service for any purpose, such as IDs in the land mobile services or "permissive" Morse in the maritime services, or "permissive" Morse in the ARS, that job requirement will stay. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Wow, Phil! I had no idea. And, I am glad to hear it. Kim W5TIT |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: Is that the music to the Twilight Zone I hear? Yes, yes it is... Believe it or not, folks, this is one of Kim's more reasonably intelligent posts! 73 de Larry, K3LT Yes, Larry, it is an appropriate and astute question that Kim asked. You PCTAs are so freaking out of touch with reality that it makes it so ... Carl - wk3c |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:
In article , (Brian) writes: And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick, Larry, Dan, Bruce... Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that Dick, Larry, et al deserve ... "Us Extras"? Whooo, that's rich, Carl! For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or their national equivalent thereof). What differentiates a majority from a vast majority? In a country with only two license classes, the higher class license is equivalent to the U.S. Extra? Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other license classes. What constitutes a "significant number" of Extas when compared to the percentage of your membership holding a license for which no code test is required? So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ... ....and I gather that you don't have many members who support code testing :-) Dave K8MN |
Larry Roll K3LT wrote: Hmmm. How interesting. We're not just "out of touch with reality," we're "freaking out of touch with reality." That sounds a bit severe! Just what, may I axe, makes us PCTA's so "freaking" out of touch with reality? Is it because we believe in the usefulness of the Morse code, and the need to have code testing so prospective hams get the opportunity to be exposed to it? Or is it just that we disagree with the NCTA and NCI, and are able to express our opinions with clarity and conviction? It's gotta be something along those lines! Following your line of thinking, why doesn't the test include listening and transmitting on AM so prospective hams get the opportunity to be exposed to it? Also FM, and all the other modes? |
Dick Carroll; wrote: JJ wrote: Larry Roll K3LT wrote: Hmmm. How interesting. We're not just "out of touch with reality," we're "freaking out of touch with reality." That sounds a bit severe! Just what, may I axe, makes us PCTA's so "freaking" out of touch with reality? Is it because we believe in the usefulness of the Morse code, and the need to have code testing so prospective hams get the opportunity to be exposed to it? Or is it just that we disagree with the NCTA and NCI, and are able to express our opinions with clarity and conviction? It's gotta be something along those lines! Following your line of thinking, why doesn't the test include listening and transmitting on AM so prospective hams get the opportunity to be exposed to it? Also FM, and all the other modes? Isn't everyone "exposed" to voice and voice modes well before entering ham radio? How many people ever are exposed to radiotelgraphy? What about all those digital modes? It makes just as much sense to make sure new hams can operate those modes as it does CW. |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote: In article , (Brian) writes: And we've already heard from the Extra's how if they don't get their way they are going to destroy the amateur radio service. Dick, Larry, Dan, Bruce... Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that Dick, Larry, et al deserve ... "Us Extras"? Whooo, that's rich, Carl! Yes, Dave, "Us Extras" ... much as it may eat at you, I'm an Extra, too. (FCC said so ... and it's up to them, not you ... :-P For example the vast majority of the Directors of NCI are Extras (or their national equivalent thereof). What differentiates a majority from a vast majority? In a country with only two license classes, the higher class license is equivalent to the U.S. Extra? When I said "or their national equivalent thereof," I was refering to our Director from New Zealand ... a long-time, coded ham of their highest class. Additionally, there are a significant number of Extras amongst our membership ... at least in proportion to the % of Extras to other license classes. What constitutes a "significant number" of Extas when compared to the percentage of your membership holding a license for which no code test is required? I haven't calculated the exact percentage, but we have a LOT of members who hold an Extra class license ... and that's not just since folks were able to upgrade with "only 5 wpm." So, it's not "the Extras" ... it's the PCTAs ... ...and I gather that you don't have many members who support code testing :-) That's right ... one of the requirements for membership is supporting the elimination of Morse testing. Carl - wk3c |
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes: I've seen quite a bit of the "If I don't get my way, I'll take my ball and go home." attitude ... you, Larry, for one have said in the past something to the effect that "If code testing is eliminated, they might as well just auction our bands off to the commercial folks." (perhaps not an exact quote, but pretty darned close and certainly conveying the meaning of what you've said ...) Carl: Yes, I did say that. And it still seems like a good idea to me, considering what the future prospects for the ARS are looking like. After all, we're hoarding literally billions of dollars worth of commercially-viable spectrum, most of which isn't being used by us (hams) for a damn thing worth talking about. I'm sure we'll always have most of our HF allocations, but I expect we're gonna lose big time above 500 MHz or so. And that, in reference to another post, is just my concept of "reality." AFAIC, when the FCC finally gives us a No-Code Test ARS licensing system, the "destruction" of our hobby/service is self-assured. About the best we can hope for is for the NCTA's to continue with their traditional apathy and laziness, and somehow not flock to the ARS in any great numbers. We would also require the assistance of the ARRL and the FCC to resist the urge to expand HF phone spectrum, but I don't see that as something the ARRL would do, so the FCC will be happy to oblige when the petitions start coming in. In any case, the future of the ARS looks bleak, and it will be the non-code tested "newcomers" who will be administering the coup de gras. BTW, Carl -- the only reason you're an "Extra" is because you waited until the code test was dumbed down to a maximum of 5 WPM. That's not being a Real Extra(tm) in the opinion of any of the traditional PCTA's. You're just a wannabe Extra Pretender who got in on an Affirmative Action program. Over 32 years as an RF Engineer, recognized in my profession, and I'm "not good enough" for the likes of you and Dick? Not sure whether to ROTFLMAO or gag/puke ... What do 32 years of RF engineering experience have to do with ham radio, Carl? I'll admit that it's handy to have guys like you around, but most of the hams I know have no professional-level technical skills whatsoever. We are radio AMATEURS. Your professional credentials are recognized within your profession for good reason -- you deserve such recognition -- WITHIN YOUR PROFESSION. As a radio amateur, however, you're no better than any other dumbed-down Extra-Lite who waited for years to get around the requirement to learn and be tested for a useful communications skill. Sorry about that, my friend, but that's just the TRVTH. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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