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Larry Roll K3LT August 6th 03 04:26 AM

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:


And now, Rod Serling steps out from behind the scroll bar on the left
side of our screens and says:

"Meet one Larry Roll, K2LT, a man with a chip on his shoulder the size
of the national debt..."


John:

Ooops. That's Larry Taft, not Larry Roll. I didn't know that Mr. Taft had
such a big chip on his shoulder!

Beam us up, Scotty...there is definitely no intelligent life down
here.


Apparently not. (Whirring sound, sparkley lights around the dematerializing
figures of Capt. Kirk and the landing party, then they disappear leaving the
scene full of sand, styrofoam rocks, and plastic foilage.)

Back aboard the Enterprise:

Scotty: So what'd you be seein' down there, Capt'n?

Kirk: The usual stuff, Scotty -- sand, styrofoam rocks, plastic foilage,
and KC2HMZ! Unfortunately, John was already brain dead, there was
nothing Bones could do for him.

Dr. McCoy: Damn it, Jim -- I'm a Doctor, not a miracle worker!

Kirk: Sorry, Bones. I know, he was beyond help!

73 de Larry, K3LT
Apologies to Star Trek screenplay writers everywhere!


Larry Roll K3LT August 6th 03 04:26 AM

In article , JJ
writes:


What about all those digital modes? It makes just as much sense
to make sure new hams can operate those modes as it does CW.


JJ:

No problem here! I'd be all for operational testing in the digital modes,
and I'll throw in a 40 WPM typing test to boot! Shall we co-author a
Petition for Rulemaking to the FCC? If so, send the first draft to my
E-mail address!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Larry Roll K3LT August 6th 03 04:26 AM

In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes:

Not really. Anyone can learn PSK31 in a half hour of looking over the help
file and playing iwth their keyboard.


Dick:

Yup. That's about what it took me to "learn" PSK-31. Of course, I had the
unfair advantage of having been a RTTY user for years prior to giving PSK31
a try.

As you know if you've been listening to
all the laments appearing here from the "excluded", no such possibliley exists


for Morse code.


Yeah, that took about a week's worth of half-hour daily sessions to get me
up to the 5 WPM level. Then I got on-the-air, started making QSO's and
having a blast, and before I knew it, I had passed the 20 WPM code test!
That was after having spent half my life (up to that time) convinced that I
could never do it! Go figure…

73 de Larry, K3LT


Larry Roll K3LT August 6th 03 04:26 AM

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

It's not the truth, or even the TRVTH. RF is RF. I haven't noticed any
difference between amateur or professional RF energy.


Alun:

My point exactly. This is one of the reasons why the requirements to be
licensed in the AMATEUR radio service do not require professional-level
RF engineering skills. Nevertheless, Carl seems to hold on to the notion
that his being an RF engineer somehow grants him exalted status as an
AMATEUR radio operator. Why is that?

73 de Larry, K3LT


Alun Palmer August 6th 03 05:38 AM

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
:

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

It's not the truth, or even the TRVTH. RF is RF. I haven't noticed any
difference between amateur or professional RF energy.


Alun:

My point exactly. This is one of the reasons why the requirements to be
licensed in the AMATEUR radio service do not require professional-level
RF engineering skills. Nevertheless, Carl seems to hold on to the

notion
that his being an RF engineer somehow grants him exalted status as an
AMATEUR radio operator. Why is that?

73 de Larry, K3LT



Could it be because he knows a lot about radio?

Floyd Davidson August 6th 03 10:27 AM

Alun Palmer wrote:
(Larry Roll K3LT) wrote:

My point exactly. This is one of the reasons why the requirements to be
licensed in the AMATEUR radio service do not require professional-level
RF engineering skills. Nevertheless, Carl seems to hold on to the notion
that his being an RF engineer somehow grants him exalted status as an
AMATEUR radio operator. Why is that?


....

Could it be because he knows a lot about radio?


Makes no difference to Larry. His measure of an Amateur is
simply how near to being identical to Larry Roll are they. If
it is not important to Larry, it isn't important to the ARS. If
it is important to Larry, then any ham that doesn't measure up,
somehow isn't a real ham.

It never occurred to him that many many hams are also
professionals, and if we measured him by the same standard, he'd
get laughed out of the club meeting. But in fact very few hams
who are pro's in the business think that hams are measured the
way Larry does. We do realize that it wouldn't be fair, and
that the ARS is afterall, a hobby and should remain that way.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Kim W5TIT August 6th 03 12:17 PM

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , JJ
writes:


What about all those digital modes? It makes just as much sense
to make sure new hams can operate those modes as it does CW.


JJ:

No problem here! I'd be all for operational testing in the digital modes,
and I'll throw in a 40 WPM typing test to boot! Shall we co-author a
Petition for Rulemaking to the FCC? If so, send the first draft to my
E-mail address!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Yeah. Larry's never up for creating one himself.

Kim W5TIT



Brian August 6th 03 11:34 PM

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...

Not really. Anyone can learn PSK31 in a half hour of looking over the help file and
playing iwth their keyboard. As you know if you've been listening to all the laments
appearing here from the "excluded", no such possibliley exists for Morse code.


30 minutes, huh?

As I recall, you couldn't get it to work. Weeks of trying and posting here.

Under PSK31 testing, you would be excluded from the HF part of the ARS.

Larry Roll K3LT August 7th 03 03:30 AM

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Alun:

My point exactly. This is one of the reasons why the requirements to be
licensed in the AMATEUR radio service do not require professional-level
RF engineering skills. Nevertheless, Carl seems to hold on to the

notion
that his being an RF engineer somehow grants him exalted status as an
AMATEUR radio operator. Why is that?

73 de Larry, K3LT



Could it be because he knows a lot about radio?


Alun:

Well, I'm sure Carl expects that his professional RF engineering qualifications
should grant him exalted status in the ARS, but in truth, it just ain't so! I
know
lots of radio amateurs, of all license classes, who haven't made dime number
one as a professional electronics technician or engineer, who are infinitely
better hams than I am or Carl could ever be. What they all have in common is
the fact that they have, throughout their "careers" as radio amateurs, been
willing to explore and adopt new modes, while retaining the skills learned
with the old ones, particularly Morse/CW. Their stations are truly up-to-date,
they have usually attained high places on the DXCC standings, routinely
hold leadership positions within their clubs, and can be counted on to provide
valuable input and personal support for all club activities. They are the ones
who newcomers look to for the answers, while the so-called "professional"
hams simply cluster amongst themselves and look down their noses at the
proceedings of the rest of the club.

But yes, indeed, Carl does know a lot about radio!

73 de Larry, K3LT


Larry Roll K3LT August 7th 03 03:30 AM

In article , Floyd Davidson
writes:

Alun Palmer wrote:
(Larry Roll K3LT) wrote:

My point exactly. This is one of the reasons why the requirements to be
licensed in the AMATEUR radio service do not require professional-level
RF engineering skills. Nevertheless, Carl seems to hold on to the notion
that his being an RF engineer somehow grants him exalted status as an
AMATEUR radio operator. Why is that?


...

Could it be because he knows a lot about radio?


Makes no difference to Larry. His measure of an Amateur is
simply how near to being identical to Larry Roll are they.


Floyd:

Incorrect. My "measure" of a radio amateur is based on their having
attained reasonable knowledge and proficiency in the basic skills
required to conduct effective radio communications under the rules and
regulations of the Amateur Radio Service. I hardly ever compare other
hams to my own self, since as a radio amateur, I am now, by today's
standards, an exceptionally fine example!

If it is not important to Larry, it isn't important to the ARS.


Only if you think so, Floyd. Since you seem to be willing to suck up
to me, feel free to start impressing me at your convenience.

If
it is important to Larry, then any ham that doesn't measure up,
somehow isn't a real ham.


Prove it, Floyd.

It never occurred to him that many many hams are also
professionals, and if we measured him by the same standard, he'd
get laughed out of the club meeting.


I see. And this would be in keeping with the spirit of the Amateur
Radio Service…how? I'm sure you've done a lot of "laughing" at
"non-professional" hams in your day, Floyd. And I've known a lot
of "professional" hams who've done the laughing. However, I can't
really say I've learned anything useful from them, except for maybe
how to have a ****-poor attitude.

But in fact very few hams
who are pro's in the business think that hams are measured the
way Larry does.


Well, you must have brought up the "laughing out of meetings" for
a reason, Floyd. You obviously have some experience in that area,
or you wouldn't have mentioned it, if you truly feel what you just
said in the quote directly above. In reality, all you've done is to
expose the true nature of your attitude toward radio amateurs who
truly are "amateurs" in the sense that they don't make their living
as professional electronics technicians or engineers.

We do realize that it wouldn't be fair, and
that the ARS is afterall, a hobby and should remain that way.


You're making a vain attempt to straddle the fence here, Floyd.
Unfortunately, the top rail just splintered your ass but good!

73 de Larry, K3LT



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