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Alun Palmer August 11th 03 04:51 PM

Firm Date for Germany
 
So far, Switzerland, the UK and Belgium have axed the CW test.

The IARU modified s25.5 effective the 5th of July so that CW testing would
be optional for administrations.

Switzerland announced on the 6th of July that letters would be sent out to
all class 2 hams giving provisional access to HF from receipt of the
letter. By the 15th of July most Swiss hams had their letters. HB still
has a Class 3 licence with only 2m/70cm, but no CW test is required for
any licence.

The UK abolished CW as a requirement effective the 26th of July. The
licence structure is now Full, Intermediate and Foundation with different
power levels. Foundation licencees cannot use 10m. CW tests are still
available for a proficiency certificate for reciprocal operating.

Belgium abolished the CW test on the 4th of August. Class 2s have to apply
for a Class 1 licence to use HF, but it only takes three days to get one,
and no CW test is required. I understand that ON has also now introduced a
Foundation licence.

Apparently, 'Funkamateur' magazine reported (incorrectly) that Germany
would abolish CW testing on the 6th of August, but nothing happened. Now
DARC (the German ham soceity) reports that from the 15th of August German
hams with Class 2 licences will be able to use their existing calls on HF.

The German text follows:

RTA im BMWA
Klasse 2: Jetzt geht es weiter!
(11.08.03/js) Ab 15. August 2003 dürfen in Deutschland Inhaber der CEPT-
Klasse-2 mit ihrem persönlichen Rufzeichen die Kurzwellenbänder unter
Einhaltung der dafür gültigen Bedingungen benutzten. Dies teilten die
Mitarbeiter des BMWA dem RTA-Vorsitzenden bei einer Besprechung mit. Das
BMWA wird dazu noch in eine gesonderte Pressemitteilung veröffentlichen.
Weitere Einzelheiten folgen.

Mike Coslo August 11th 03 08:36 PM

Alun Palmer wrote:
So far, Switzerland, the UK and Belgium have axed the CW test.


Snip


Okay Alun, we got it the first time.. or two.. or three.. or four.. 8^)

- mike KB3EIA -


Gareth \(G1LVN\) August 11th 03 08:46 PM

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ...
Alun Palmer wrote:
So far, Switzerland, the UK and Belgium have axed the CW test.


Snip


Okay Alun, we got it the first time.. or two.. or three.. or four.. 8^)

I'd like to personally invite all subscribers of rec.radio.amateur to join
uk.radio.amateur. Come on in! - the water's lovely.


--
73 de G1LVN
Gateway details at: www.g1lvn.org.uk
(change "mycallsign" to reply by email)
send spam to



Mike Coslo August 12th 03 12:26 AM

Gareth (G1LVN) wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ...

Alun Palmer wrote:

So far, Switzerland, the UK and Belgium have axed the CW test.


Snip


Okay Alun, we got it the first time.. or two.. or three.. or four.. 8^)


I'd like to personally invite all subscribers of rec.radio.amateur to join
uk.radio.amateur. Come on in! - the water's lovely.


Someone's inviting *us* in? That doesn't happen too often! Most people
tell us where to go though.....

- Mike KB3EIA -


Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI August 12th 03 11:06 AM

"Airy R Bean" wrote in message
...
Where the murderous Yank invaders are receiving
their just deserts - being dropped like flies by the
modern equivalent of the French Resistance.

There's no limit to your bull****, is there?
(_!_)



[email protected] August 12th 03 10:39 PM

"Airy R Bean" wrote:
Where the murderous Yank invaders are receiving
their just deserts - being dropped like flies by the
modern equivalent of the French Resistance.

The French fight with their face, I hope you ain't one of them.

--
GO# 40
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J. August 13th 03 03:31 PM

In article ,
says...
I don't love the BBC, to whom do you refer?

(Any country having a religious loony at the helm is
a 3rd World country; esp. Yankland whose prominence
will collapse as soon as the World realises how bankrupt
the country really is - you'll all be dying of thirst in a few
years and go the way of the Central Americas civilisations.)


I understand that their national debt is so enormous that
even scientific notation is having problems expressing it.

--
J@GL20



Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI August 13th 03 03:54 PM

"J." wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
I don't love the BBC, to whom do you refer?

(Any country having a religious loony at the helm is
a 3rd World country; esp. Yankland whose prominence
will collapse as soon as the World realises how bankrupt
the country really is - you'll all be dying of thirst in a few
years and go the way of the Central Americas civilisations.)


I understand that their national debt is so enormous that
even scientific notation is having problems expressing it.

Ask Airy to calculate their inflation rate in dB per annum.
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.



William H. O'Hara, III August 13th 03 05:17 PM

"Airy R Bean" wrote in
:

I don't love the BBC, to whom do you refer?

(Any country having a religious loony at the helm is
a 3rd World country; esp. Yankland whose prominence


I know many that take it as severe insult.
We are not Yankees. Yankees were the ones
that started the civil war and trashed
Germans, Irish, and Italians during the
turn of the century.

Yankees are pure bred english descendants
that did not like immigrants.

bill

Airy R Bean August 13th 03 05:50 PM

From this side of the pond you are all Yankees.

William H. O'Hara, III wrote in message
. 3.44...
"Airy R Bean" wrote in
:
I don't love the BBC, to whom do you refer?
(Any country having a religious loony at the helm is
a 3rd World country; esp. Yankland whose prominence

I know many that take it as severe insult.
We are not Yankees. Yankees were the ones
that started the civil war and trashed
Germans, Irish, and Italians during the
turn of the century.
Yankees are pure bred english descendants
that did not like immigrants.





Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI August 13th 03 06:26 PM

"Airy R Bean" wrote in message
...
From this side of the pond you are all Yankees.

and the Welsh are the Irish that couldn't swim.
(_!_)



Dan/W4NTI August 13th 03 11:19 PM


"Steve Terry" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
"Airy R Bean" wrote:
Where the murderous Yank invaders are receiving
their just deserts - being dropped like flies by the
modern equivalent of the French Resistance.

The French fight with their face, I hope you ain't one of them.

Shame they haven't won a war in the last hundred years

Steve Terry



You mean the French or the Germans?

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI August 13th 03 11:25 PM

Yeah? You mean the ones that cut your redcoats to pieces and kicked
Cornwalles out of here on his ear?

Dan/W4NTI

"Airy R Bean" wrote in message
...
From this side of the pond you are all Yankees.

William H. O'Hara, III wrote in message
. 3.44...
"Airy R Bean" wrote in
:
I don't love the BBC, to whom do you refer?
(Any country having a religious loony at the helm is
a 3rd World country; esp. Yankland whose prominence

I know many that take it as severe insult.
We are not Yankees. Yankees were the ones
that started the civil war and trashed
Germans, Irish, and Italians during the
turn of the century.
Yankees are pure bred english descendants
that did not like immigrants.







Dan/W4NTI August 13th 03 11:26 PM


"William H. O'Hara, III" wrote in message
. 3.44...
"Airy R Bean" wrote in
:

I don't love the BBC, to whom do you refer?

(Any country having a religious loony at the helm is
a 3rd World country; esp. Yankland whose prominence


I know many that take it as severe insult.
We are not Yankees. Yankees were the ones
that started the civil war and trashed
Germans, Irish, and Italians during the
turn of the century.

Yankees are pure bred english descendants
that did not like immigrants.

bill


Thats right !!

Dan/W4NTI



Gary Cavie August 13th 03 11:28 PM

In article ,
says...
If it wasn't for your old colony your country would be speaking German and
eating raw fish. You ungrateful piece of crap.

Go ahead and dream all you want. But don't forget you best keep the USA on
at least talking terms, or England will be the third world country.

I spent a lot of time in Europe in the 70s. Made a lot of English friends.
Whats your problem? All your mates at the pub throw you out on your ear for
your stupidity?

Dan/W4NTI


Don't take old Airy to heart - he suffers from delusions of adequacy, and
makes up for it by being as obnoxious as possible. In his own little
world, nothing happened on September 11th 2001, apart from someone making
a valid disagreement with American policy. At least when he's on his PC,
where everything is handmade, he's not roaming the streets causing real
damage.

Dan/W4NTI August 14th 03 01:26 AM


"Gary Cavie" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...
If it wasn't for your old colony your country would be speaking German

and
eating raw fish. You ungrateful piece of crap.

Go ahead and dream all you want. But don't forget you best keep the USA

on
at least talking terms, or England will be the third world country.

I spent a lot of time in Europe in the 70s. Made a lot of English

friends.
Whats your problem? All your mates at the pub throw you out on your ear

for
your stupidity?

Dan/W4NTI


Don't take old Airy to heart - he suffers from delusions of adequacy, and
makes up for it by being as obnoxious as possible. In his own little
world, nothing happened on September 11th 2001, apart from someone making
a valid disagreement with American policy. At least when he's on his PC,
where everything is handmade, he's not roaming the streets causing real
damage.


Point well taken.....I'll do my best to keep him occupied. Perhaps that
will keep him off the streets....

Dan/W4NTI



Airy R Bean August 14th 03 10:46 AM

Grow up, OM

Dan/W4NTI wrote in message
...
If it wasn't for your old colony your country would be speaking German and
eating raw fish. You ungrateful piece of crap.





Gary Cavie August 15th 03 02:18 PM

In article ,
says...
... since
I joined the Internet in March of this year.


Still living in Cloud Cuckoo Land then Gareth?

Dan/W4NTI August 16th 03 12:05 AM


wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:23:15 -0500, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

If it wasn't for your old colony your country would be speaking German

and
eating raw fish. You ungrateful piece of crap.

Go ahead and dream all you want. But don't forget you best keep the USA

on
at least talking terms, or England will be the third world country.

I spent a lot of time in Europe in the 70s. Made a lot of English

friends.
Whats your problem? All your mates at the pub throw you out on your ear

for
your stupidity?

Dan/W4NTI



Dan ...

None of us over here in the UK want Airy Bean to carry on breathing!
As you say, he's a an ungrateful piece of crap .. and that's a
compliment!

Regards,

Peter, G3PHO


I know Peter. And believe you me I love the English folks. Im just
rattling his head a bit. So excuse me if I enjoy it too much...

Dan/W4NTI



Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI August 16th 03 12:13 AM

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Help me out here Airy? What the blazes are you talking about

prisons????

Dan/W4NTI

You'll have to make allowances for The Anus. He lives in a little world all
of his own.
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.



Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI August 16th 03 12:15 AM

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Poor 'Airy' unable to argue with conviction, so he attacks religion.

Go on back to the pub Airy, the blokes won't laugh at ya...I promise.

But this time...please wear your pants.

Dan/W4NTI

Why did you tell him? You've spoiled the fun now.
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.



Phil Kane August 16th 03 12:48 AM

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:00:07 +0100, Airy R Bean wrote:

Saddam was neutralised. It is the loony in the White House who is the
greatest threat to World peace. He even kills
defenceless Yanks in his own prisons.


My bother the prosecutor says that those whom he puts there for that
purpose deserve no better.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon



Phil Kane August 16th 03 12:48 AM

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:05:43 +0100, Walt Davidson wrote:

Not surprising, really, as most of America's principal institutions
are run by Zionists whose philosophy is "An eye for an eye, a tooth
for a tooth."


Ah, your anti-semitism bigotry (and ignorance of biblical
interpretation) has finally shone forth in all its glory, eh,
Ya Chatichat Charra.....

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon



Phil Kane August 16th 03 12:48 AM

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:49:34 -0500, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

Oh and let the ragheads keep up their crap and we will turn the entire
middle east into glass.


Including my brother's apartment in Tel Aviv? Not bloody likely.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane (ex-4X4UQ)

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon



Kim W5TIT August 16th 03 04:12 PM

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:48:30 GMT, "Phil Kane"
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:05:43 +0100, Walt Davidson wrote:

Not surprising, really, as most of America's principal institutions
are run by Zionists whose philosophy is "An eye for an eye, a tooth
for a tooth."


Ah, your anti-semitism bigotry (and ignorance of biblical
interpretation) has finally shone forth in all its glory, eh,
Ya Chatichat Charra.....


As I said ... "run by Zionists". Point proven. There is nothing
anti-semitic about stating a fact.

Listen sunshine ... we might have to treat ya as equals nowadays, but
we don't have to like ya.
:-)

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @freeuk.com


I don't know who you are, Walt, but you're absolutely disgusting.

Kim W5TIT



Airy R Bean August 16th 03 05:33 PM

You think that the astute Brit who is taking you
for as much money as he can get out of you is going
to tell you what he really thinks of you?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Kim W5TIT wrote in message
...
It sounds to me like you (because I work with a lot of Brits, Walt, and

you
don't emulate their opinions at all)




A Radar led news thug August 16th 03 05:48 PM

"Airy R Bean" wrote in message
...
You think that the astute Brit who is taking you
for as much money as he can get out of you is going
to tell you what he really thinks of you?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Kim W5TIT wrote in message
...
It sounds to me like you (because I work with a lot of Brits, Walt, and

you
don't emulate their opinions at all)



If I was in the desert, hundreds of miles from the nearest town, I know who
I would trust with my life Airy, and it wouldn't be you.



Steve Terry August 16th 03 11:04 PM

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:49:34 -0500, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote:

snip
Not surprising, really, as most of America's principal institutions
are run by Zionists whose philosophy is "An eye for an eye, a tooth
for a tooth."
73 de G3NYY
Walt Davidson

It wasn't until I had a Jewish Girlfriend, did I discover that IS what they
really believe ;-(
The Christian concept of being able to turn the other cheek is quite alien to
them

Interesting thing Anthropology

Steve Terry



Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI August 17th 03 12:18 AM

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...


I believe you will find they ended up in Syria and possibly Iran and

Turkey.
They had years to spirit them anywhwer they wanted to. Of course it

really
doesn't matter much. Saddam is history and thats what counts in the long
run.

Dan/W4NTI

Wasn't it GREAT news about Idi Amin today? I don't think many will mourn the
loss of that Anus prototype.
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.



Steve Terry August 17th 03 04:24 AM

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
et...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:00:07 +0100, Airy R Bean wrote:

Saddam was neutralised. It is the loony in the White House who is the
greatest threat to World peace. He even kills
defenceless Yanks in his own prisons.


My bother the prosecutor says that those whom he puts there for that
purpose deserve no better.
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

The Spanish judiciary think otherwise, they won't extradite to a US state
that has capital punishment.

So states that have capital punishment, are foolishly providing escape routes
for their own murderers

Steve Terry



Steve Terry August 17th 03 04:39 AM


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Gee Airy......isn't that EXACTLY what the British did in the 17th and 18th
century??? How did it go...."The sun never sets on the British empire"
?????.
Go get your red coat and stand tall. Its all you have left me boy.
Dan/W4NTI

Are you admitting current US foreign policy is one of Imperialism ?!

Steve Terry



Steve Terry August 17th 03 04:50 AM

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:04:56 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

"Walt Davidson" wrote

Not surprising, really, as most of America's principal institutions
are run by Zionists whose philosophy is "An eye for an eye, a tooth
for a tooth."


It wasn't until I had a Jewish Girlfriend, did I discover that IS what they
really believe ;-(
The Christian concept of being able to turn the other cheek is quite alien to
them.


Indeed. But they try to deny it.
73 de G3NYY
Walt Davidson

Yes it's not just Islam that needs being dragged in the 21st Century.
Existentialism and the humanities need to be made mandatory studies in both
societies

Steve Terry



[email protected] August 17th 03 06:57 AM

ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote:
In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Wasn't it GREAT news about Idi Amin today? I don't think many will
mourn

the
loss of that Anus prototype.
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.



Yep....no loss as far as Im concerned.

Dan/W4NTI


Gee -- first Uday and Qusay, now Idi Amin has assumed room temperature!
The world is getting to be a better place, one dead maniac at a time!
Let's just hope that Saddam isn't far behind his colleagues in the race
to the grave!

73 de Larry, K3LT

Let us not forget how much help the french have been.

http://www.jaxdigitalmedia.com/french/french.html

--
GO# 40

Airy R Bean August 17th 03 10:36 AM

Small wonder the Yanks are the cause of so much strife in today's world.....

Dan/W4NTI wrote in message
...
I recommend we plant one up your 'boot'. Wat say old chap?





class_a_zpk_12wpm August 17th 03 12:02 PM

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:21:02 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

Aint that the truth !
When I went though JFK passport control they changed my entry on the visa
from English to British, I'd like to see them try to do that to an Irishman


did somebody call ?


begorrah begorrah.


Kim W5TIT August 17th 03 01:18 PM

"A Radar led news thug" wrote in message
...
"Airy R Bean" wrote in message
...
You think that the astute Brit who is taking you
for as much money as he can get out of you is going
to tell you what he really thinks of you?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Kim W5TIT wrote in message
...
It sounds to me like you (because I work with a lot of Brits, Walt,

and
you
don't emulate their opinions at all)



If I was in the desert, hundreds of miles from the nearest town, I know

who
I would trust with my life Airy, and it wouldn't be you.



This Airy person is obviously used to people who deal with him/her only from
an untruthful position.

Kim W5TIT



Kim W5TIT August 17th 03 01:52 PM

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:06:49 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:

(was that North- or South-Americans by the way, you geographic ignoramus)


LOL! That's pretty rich ... coming, as it does, from a nation that
thinks England, the United Kingdom and the British Isles are all one
and the same thing.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @freeuk.com


I am not a nation, Walt. It is interesting though...you are the first UK
person that I've ever seen display anything resembling idiocy...

Kim W5TIT



Kim W5TIT August 17th 03 01:54 PM

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:04:56 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

"Walt Davidson" wrote

Not surprising, really, as most of America's principal institutions
are run by Zionists whose philosophy is "An eye for an eye, a tooth
for a tooth."


It wasn't until I had a Jewish Girlfriend, did I discover that IS what

they
really believe ;-(
The Christian concept of being able to turn the other cheek is quite

alien to
them.


Indeed. But they try to deny it.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @freeuk.com


Oh good grief. You are hanging your opinion of a whole group of people
based on one girlfriend?! You just have a propensity for picking up ****ty
women, obviously...

Kim W5TIT



Kim W5TIT August 17th 03 01:59 PM

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 04:39:40 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:


"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...
Gee Airy......isn't that EXACTLY what the British did in the 17th and

18th
century??? How did it go...."The sun never sets on the British empire"
?????.
Go get your red coat and stand tall. Its all you have left me boy.
Dan/W4NTI

Are you admitting current US foreign policy is one of Imperialism ?!


We do not transport people suspected of a crime to a military prison
camp in one of our off-shore colonies and keep them incarcerated there
for a year or more without trial. I can think of a country that
does.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @freeuk.com


Ummmm, that would be something the US Govt is doing and--just to fill your
puny head with some knowledge--there are a number of US Citizens who are
protesting this very action.

And, it's quite obvious that all the Brits supported this action, since
their PM got on the boat first launch... Right? The actions of a PM speak
for the beliefs of everyone in that country right?

Get a life...

Kim W5TIT



Kim W5TIT August 17th 03 02:04 PM

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On 17 Aug 2003 07:06:23 GMT, wrote:

I asked about -YOU-, the last time I heard, the UK was with us all
the way in the middle east.


That was before we realised we had been taken for a ride. Who's going
to be next with "hidden" WMDs? Syria? Iran? We won't be such a soft
touch next time.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @freeuk.com


Walt, listen to your PM--he isn't questioning a thing about England's
involvement with the US. He's even come over here a few weeks ago to pat
'ol GW on the back and say, "there, there now" it's OK, we're still with
you.

Just as you are painting some stupid-ass picture of "Americans" (US
Citizens) because of the actions of a government; so is Morph painting with
a broad paintbrush because of your PM.

So, your incessant rambling is designed for nothing less than pure
antagonism--or you are an idiot who really believes what you are printing.
And, I'm done with you. You and Dick Carroll would fit in nicely with each
other. He like broad paintbrushes also.

Kim W5TIT




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