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... In article , "Kim" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: The song is really an anti-conformity ditty, loosely derived from Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" and others of that ilk. Yet, quite prophetic when looking back now. How? Oh, I think many today--even me--are quite involved and disolved with keeping ourselves happy with material things. While I am not a keep up with the Jones' kind of person (i.e., unaffected by "status" symbols), I do find amusement in "things" more than I used to. I used to be happy just to watch ants... Ah - good explanation! And observation... Here's another one for ya... From 1972-1976 I attended a large urban university. The big thing back then was "nonconformity" to the rules of the "establishment", particularly in manners of slang, clothes and haircut. After a while, though, it became clear that we'd simply traded one form of conformity for another, and that we "nonconformists" pretty much dressed alike, talked alike, and had similar haircuts. The university gave us more than schooling - we were actually educated, often by experiences that seemed minor at the time. 73 de Jim, N2EY Absolutely!! I was one "of those" (nonconformists). Actually, I still concentrate on being so--it doesn't come naturally any more GRIN. If everyone is planting roses, I'll plant petunias. If all women like diamonds, I like opals (and that is actually the truth). Anyway, you're right about the more we tried to be different, the more we were the same. Uh, but we were the same together ;) Kim W5TIT |
Hell, I work for a private university, and it is one of the "bastions" of
republican thought; "do as I say, not do as I do." It promotes the lifestyle of the little rich brats that have been raised with the thinking of "it's not what you know, but who you know." Forget achieving based on merits or achievements. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... Most schools and universities today are either state owned or state supported. Therefore, to find an answer to the problems with schools, we only have to look as far as our own state representatives. And, since they like the federal education assistance available to them, those representatives are not going to change unless we vote them out and are willing to fund schools locally. I see no effort in either of those directions. Sad, but true. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes: Subject: For those that are against the morse removal From: "Dick Carroll;" Date: 1 Sep 2003 07:11:09 GMT Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Kim" wrote in message ... "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: The song is really an anti-conformity ditty, loosely derived from Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" and others of that ilk. Yet, quite prophetic when looking back now. How? Oh, I think many today--even me--are quite involved and disolved with keeping ourselves happy with material things. While I am not a keep up with the Jones' kind of person (i.e., unaffected by "status" symbols), I do find amusement in "things" more than I used to. I used to be happy just to watch ants... Ah - good explanation! And observation... Here's another one for ya... From 1972-1976 I attended a large urban university. The big thing back then was "nonconformity" to the rules of the "establishment", particularly in manners of slang, clothes and haircut. After a while, though, it became clear that we'd simply traded one form of conformity for another, and that we "nonconformists" pretty much dressed alike, talked alike, and had similar haircuts. The university gave us more than schooling - we were actually educated, often by experiences that seemed minor at the time. 73 de Jim, N2EY Absolutely!! I was one "of those" (nonconformists). Actually, I still concentrate on being so--it doesn't come naturally any more GRIN. If everyone is planting roses, I'll plant petunias. If all women like diamonds, I like opals (and that is actually the truth). But you're still planting flowers, and liking jewelry. Same difference. Anyway, you're right about the more we tried to be different, the more we were the same. Uh, but we were the same together ;) Groovy, baby! Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. Bummer, man! Why such a downer? Hey, she'e the one who wanted to go to Woodstock back when, but her mother wouldn't let her because she was too young. Pity! Woodstock? Let's see, that was late summer 1969, when Kim was 15 if memory serves. I don't think a responsible parent would let their 15-year-old go to such a "happening". Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. Some of the performers had to be helicoptered in and out, and some never made it. The whole event was such a mess that large outdoor festivals basically disappeared afterwards because nobody with half a brain would issue the necessary permits. (Altamont drove the final nail in that coffin). Counterculture? Check this out: The promoters who put on the Woodstock festival lost big piles of money on the concert. The whole thing was too big for them to control - early on they even lost the ability to collect admission. There was even talk of civil suits over huge unpaid expenses BUT.... The promoters had done one smart thing: They owned the rights to almost all recordings (film and sound) made at the festival. So they made a documentary movie and record album for very little money, and made back all their losses and millions more. Good old capitalism... Remember the song "Woodstock", made famous by Crosby Stills Nash and Young? It was actually written by Joni Mitchell (who also performed the first version). Buit Mitchell was not at the Woodstock festival at all! The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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... In article , "Dick Carroll;" writes: Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Kim" wrote in message ... "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: The song is really an anti-conformity ditty, loosely derived from Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" and others of that ilk. Yet, quite prophetic when looking back now. How? Oh, I think many today--even me--are quite involved and disolved with keeping ourselves happy with material things. While I am not a keep up with the Jones' kind of person (i.e., unaffected by "status" symbols), I do find amusement in "things" more than I used to. I used to be happy just to watch ants... Ah - good explanation! And observation... Here's another one for ya... From 1972-1976 I attended a large urban university. The big thing back then was "nonconformity" to the rules of the "establishment", particularly in manners of slang, clothes and haircut. After a while, though, it became clear that we'd simply traded one form of conformity for another, and that we "nonconformists" pretty much dressed alike, talked alike, and had similar haircuts. The university gave us more than schooling - we were actually educated, often by experiences that seemed minor at the time. 73 de Jim, N2EY Absolutely!! I was one "of those" (nonconformists). Actually, I still concentrate on being so--it doesn't come naturally any more GRIN. If everyone is planting roses, I'll plant petunias. If all women like diamonds, I like opals (and that is actually the truth). But you're still planting flowers, and liking jewelry. Same difference. Yeah, but I like to think that I'm being a bit of a renegade. Actually, I don't like things all the same. Remember the good 'ol "Neighborhood Association" debates that have come and gone here? I'm against them, for whatever purpose; and would be so very, very depressed if I ever have to live "in" one. And, as for jewelery. That is a going joke in my family. I love jewelery. Even used to work at Ed Levin Jewelers long ago. Love to get it as a present. Don't spend much time shopping for it or being distracted by it, though, if set against the rest of my female population. A couple of years ago I asked for, and received, one of those standing jewelery chests. It's about half full. Every once in a while I'll spend an hour or two taking all my pretties out and looking at them. LOL But, save on rare occasions, you'll not find me with a piece on--not even my wedding band. Just don't like the feeling of anything around me, I guess. Anyway, you're right about the more we tried to be different, the more we were the same. Uh, but we were the same together ;) Groovy, baby! Gads!!! That's so funny. I never got into the beatniky-hippie kind of lingo. Heck, I don't think I could even be classified as a true hippie--I am just a couple of years too late fer it. Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. Bummer, man! Why such a downer? Some folks can be no other way. Hey, she'e the one who wanted to go to Woodstock back when, but her mother wouldn't let her because she was too young. Pity! Woodstock? Let's see, that was late summer 1969, when Kim was 15 if memory serves. I don't think a responsible parent would let their 15-year-old go to such a "happening". Yep, 14 though. And, you're right. I had friends whose parents were much more lenient than mine who went. I was going with them. Until I asked my parents...LOL Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. Some of the performers had to be helicoptered in and out, and some never made it. The whole event was such a mess that large outdoor festivals basically disappeared afterwards because nobody with half a brain would issue the necessary permits. (Altamont drove the final nail in that coffin). It was much nicer watching from the news on it. As "free" as I liked to think of myself back then, I am pretty sure I would definitely have been bummed at the rain, mud, and so darned many freaks. Counterculture? Check this out: The promoters who put on the Woodstock festival lost big piles of money on the concert. The whole thing was too big for them to control - early on they even lost the ability to collect admission. There was even talk of civil suits over huge unpaid expenses BUT.... I think there was more than talk. Did Yeager/Yager/Yeger (however his name is spelled) think there was loads to be had in a suit and begin the process until it was explained to him the debaucle of the whole thing? The promoters had done one smart thing: They owned the rights to almost all recordings (film and sound) made at the festival. So they made a documentary movie and record album for very little money, and made back all their losses and millions more. Good old capitalism... Bought the album. You know, the one with the little kid on it? GRIN It's the only album where I've heard Joan singing the song "Sweet Sir Gallahad" ('least I think that's the name of it) and gosh I like that song. Remember the song "Woodstock", made famous by Crosby Stills Nash and Young? It was actually written by Joni Mitchell (who also performed the first version). Buit Mitchell was not at the Woodstock festival at all! The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. 73 de Jim, N2EY Yeah, Summer 1970 saw the tragedy at Kent State...the beginning of the end. By the way, I'd have guessed you were an old hippie, Jim. At least there's still a few left upholding the original ideals. I gave up. Kim W5TIT |
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. "Make love not War" "War is dangerous to all living things" etc. Dan/W4NTI Do you have to practice at being an asshole, Dan, or does it come that naturally? Kim W5TIT You bring out the best in me Kim. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: The song is really an anti-conformity ditty, loosely derived from Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" and others of that ilk. Yet, quite prophetic when looking back now. How? Oh, I think many today--even me--are quite involved and disolved with keeping ourselves happy with material things. While I am not a keep up with the Jones' kind of person (i.e., unaffected by "status" symbols), I do find amusement in "things" more than I used to. I used to be happy just to watch ants... Ah - good explanation! And observation... Here's another one for ya... From 1972-1976 I attended a large urban university. The big thing back then was "nonconformity" to the rules of the "establishment", particularly in manners of slang, clothes and haircut. After a while, though, it became clear that we'd simply traded one form of conformity for another, and that we "nonconformists" pretty much dressed alike, talked alike, and had similar haircuts. The university gave us more than schooling - we were actually educated, often by experiences that seemed minor at the time. 73 de Jim, N2EY Absolutely!! I was one "of those" (nonconformists). Actually, I still concentrate on being so--it doesn't come naturally any more GRIN. If everyone is planting roses, I'll plant petunias. If all women like diamonds, I like opals (and that is actually the truth). Anyway, you're right about the more we tried to be different, the more we were the same. Uh, but we were the same together ;) Kim W5TIT Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. Hey, she'e the one who wanted to go to Woodstock back when, but her mother wouldn't let her because she was too young. Pity! My point exactly. Dan/W4NTI |
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Dick Carroll;" writes: Subject: For those that are against the morse removal From: "Dick Carroll;" Date: 1 Sep 2003 07:11:09 GMT Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Kim" wrote in message ... "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: The song is really an anti-conformity ditty, loosely derived from Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" and others of that ilk. Yet, quite prophetic when looking back now. How? Oh, I think many today--even me--are quite involved and disolved with keeping ourselves happy with material things. While I am not a keep up with the Jones' kind of person (i.e., unaffected by "status" symbols), I do find amusement in "things" more than I used to. I used to be happy just to watch ants... Ah - good explanation! And observation... Here's another one for ya... From 1972-1976 I attended a large urban university. The big thing back then was "nonconformity" to the rules of the "establishment", particularly in manners of slang, clothes and haircut. After a while, though, it became clear that we'd simply traded one form of conformity for another, and that we "nonconformists" pretty much dressed alike, talked alike, and had similar haircuts. The university gave us more than schooling - we were actually educated, often by experiences that seemed minor at the time. 73 de Jim, N2EY Absolutely!! I was one "of those" (nonconformists). Actually, I still concentrate on being so--it doesn't come naturally any more GRIN. If everyone is planting roses, I'll plant petunias. If all women like diamonds, I like opals (and that is actually the truth). But you're still planting flowers, and liking jewelry. Same difference. Anyway, you're right about the more we tried to be different, the more we were the same. Uh, but we were the same together ;) Groovy, baby! Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. Bummer, man! Why such a downer? Hey, she'e the one who wanted to go to Woodstock back when, but her mother wouldn't let her because she was too young. Pity! Woodstock? Let's see, that was late summer 1969, when Kim was 15 if memory serves. I don't think a responsible parent would let their 15-year-old go to such a "happening". Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. Some of the performers had to be helicoptered in and out, and some never made it. The whole event was such a mess that large outdoor festivals basically disappeared afterwards because nobody with half a brain would issue the necessary permits. (Altamont drove the final nail in that coffin). Counterculture? Check this out: The promoters who put on the Woodstock festival lost big piles of money on the concert. The whole thing was too big for them to control - early on they even lost the ability to collect admission. There was even talk of civil suits over huge unpaid expenses BUT.... The promoters had done one smart thing: They owned the rights to almost all recordings (film and sound) made at the festival. So they made a documentary movie and record album for very little money, and made back all their losses and millions more. Good old capitalism... Remember the song "Woodstock", made famous by Crosby Stills Nash and Young? It was actually written by Joni Mitchell (who also performed the first version). Buit Mitchell was not at the Woodstock festival at all! The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. 73 de Jim, N2EY In the summer of 69 I was mellowing out in a Klong House in Bangkok Thailand. Dan/W4NTI |
Reason Im asking is that I was there the night before it happened. Just
curious. Dan/W4NTI Hey Dan brings back Memories, did you ever hang out at RAYS. Man we had some Wild times there. |
"Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? You really must be a dumb ass. I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I had my military ID checked by the Guard on my way out of town. The next day the shootings occured. ( I was in-active reserve status). I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. You can now wipe the slobber off your chin. Dan/W4NTI |
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link.net... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. "Make love not War" "War is dangerous to all living things" etc. Dan/W4NTI Do you have to practice at being an asshole, Dan, or does it come that naturally? Kim W5TIT You bring out the best in me Kim. Dan/W4NTI That's a given, Dan. We all know you're an asshole. That wasn't the question. The question is do you have to practice? Kim W5TIT |
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hlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? You really must be a dumb ass. I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I had my military ID checked by the Guard on my way out of town. The next day the shootings occured. ( I was in-active reserve status). I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. You can now wipe the slobber off your chin. Dan/W4NTI Good grief, Dan. You're a gorilla thumping your chest... That's a total turn-off. Kim W5TIT |
In article .net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes: The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. 73 de Jim, N2EY In the summer of 69 I was mellowing out in a Klong House in Bangkok Thailand. HAW! That's a good one, Dan! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
In article , "Kim"
writes: (lotta snippage) But you're still planting flowers, and liking jewelry. Same difference. Yeah, but I like to think that I'm being a bit of a renegade. Actually, I don't like things all the same. Remember the good 'ol "Neighborhood Association" debates that have come and gone here? I'm against them, for whatever purpose; and would be so very, very depressed if I ever have to live "in" one. Same here. But the reason those associations exist is fear - fear that folks won't keep up their properties in a reasonable manner if there is no mechanism to force them. And, as for jewelery. That is a going joke in my family. I love jewelery. Even used to work at Ed Levin Jewelers long ago. Love to get it as a present. Don't spend much time shopping for it or being distracted by it, though, if set against the rest of my female population. A couple of years ago I asked for, and received, one of those standing jewelery chests. It's about half full. Every once in a while I'll spend an hour or two taking all my pretties out and looking at them. LOL But, save on rare occasions, you'll not find me with a piece on--not even my wedding band. Just don't like the feeling of anything around me, I guess. To each his own. I collect radio parts. Anyway, you're right about the more we tried to be different, the more we were the same. Uh, but we were the same together ;) Groovy, baby! Gads!!! That's so funny. Just an Austin Powers reference. I never got into the beatniky-hippie kind of lingo. Heck, I don't think I could even be classified as a true hippie--I am just a couple of years too late fer it. So am I. Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. Bummer, man! Why such a downer? Some folks can be no other way. Naw, I think Dan can be a real up guy most of the time. Cool dude. Woodstock? Let's see, that was late summer 1969, when Kim was 15 if memory serves. I don't think a responsible parent would let their 15-year-old go to such a "happening". Yep, 14 though. All the more reason. And, you're right. I had friends whose parents were much more lenient than mine who went. I'd call it "irresponsible" rather than "lenient". I was going with them. Until I asked my parents...LOL Even at that age I knew better. Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. Some of the performers had to be helicoptered in and out, and some never made it. The whole event was such a mess that large outdoor festivals basically disappeared afterwards because nobody with half a brain would issue the necessary permits. (Altamont drove the final nail in that coffin). It was much nicer watching from the news on it. As "free" as I liked to think of myself back then, I am pretty sure I would definitely have been bummed at the rain, mud, and so darned many freaks. 'zactly. A lot of us were mad that the clueless promoters had ruined the whole festival scene by their incompetence. Even 30 years later there were problems doing another one. Give me the Philadelphia Folk Festival any day. Well managed, excellent acts, good sound and video, well behaved crowd and it's been held every year since long before that place in NY. People take their kids and grandkids. No visible booze or drugs. Counterculture? Check this out: The promoters who put on the Woodstock festival lost big piles of money on the concert. The whole thing was too big for them to control - early on they even lost the ability to collect admission. There was even talk of civil suits over huge unpaid expenses BUT.... I think there was more than talk. Did Yeager/Yager/Yeger (however his name is spelled) think there was loads to be had in a suit and begin the process until it was explained to him the debaucle of the whole thing? Max Yasgur, now dead, I think. I'm sure he got a piece of the pie. Point was, they made a mint from the whole "counterculture" aspect of it. The promoters had done one smart thing: They owned the rights to almost all recordings (film and sound) made at the festival. So they made a documentary movie and record album for very little money, and made back all their losses and millions more. Good old capitalism... Bought the album. You know, the one with the little kid on it? GRIN It's the only album where I've heard Joan singing the song "Sweet Sir Gallahad" ('least I think that's the name of it) and gosh I like that song. Never bought the album - it was so overplayed on FM radio around here there was no need to. Saw the movie on PBS some years back and was amazed at how awful it was. But they both made a pile of money. Good ol' cappitalism... Remember the song "Woodstock", made famous by Crosby Stills Nash and Young? It was actually written by Joni Mitchell (who also performed the first version). But Mitchell was not at the Woodstock festival at all! Turns out CSNY had talked her out of going because she was to be a guest on the Dick Cavett show (remember HIM?) and they said she'd never be back in time. Of course if she'd gone they'd have given her serious stage time. Then they got themselves helicoptered in and out of the festival, and crashed the Cavett show. They wound up being interviewed along with Mitchell, who said only a few words because, after all, she wasn't there. The look on her face said it all.... The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. Yeah, Summer 1970 saw the tragedy at Kent State...the beginning of the end. End of what? Looking back, I'm amazed only four died in the Kent State mess. Days of near-riot conditions, kids throwing rocks and teargas canisters back at National Guardsmen (who were untrained in riot control)? KS was not a nonviolent demonstration. By the way, I'd have guessed you were an old hippie, Jim. Not me. I could never afford it. I went to engineering school, remember? I always thought that to build a better world, one had to know how to build things in the first place. So I learned how to do electrical engineering. And I'm still at it. There's no substitute for actually knowing how to do things, and doing them. Remember the movies "The Magnificent Seven" (actually a remake of "The Seven Samurai"? The farmers (productive people) does not need the bandits (moochers). But the bandits sure need the farmers! Some good things came out of those times. Those are the things to remember. At least there's still a few left upholding the original ideals. Yeah, baby! Actually, you might be surprised at how simple my "ideals" really are. I gave up. Not me. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Brian wrote: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? Do you confuse Kent State and Woodstock often? You really must be a dumb ass. Of course it's possible. I'm afraid a poll would show there's very little doubt. Hmmm, you sound like Clinton when he tried to govern the country. |
"WA8ULX" wrote in message ... Reason Im asking is that I was there the night before it happened. Just curious. Dan/W4NTI Hey Dan brings back Memories, did you ever hang out at RAYS. Man we had some Wild times there. Don't remember actually. Only went there that one evening. Kent really wasn't my kind of town. Dan/W4NTI |
You completely forgot the part about you being at Woodstock and Vietnam. Actually anyone who said they were at Woodstock was really in Bethel. Woodstock is up the road a piece. |
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? Do you confuse Kent State and Woodstock often? You really must be a dumb ass. Of course it's possible. I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I had my military ID checked by the Guard on my way out of town. The next day the shootings occured. ( I was in-active reserve status). Reserves? I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian Back to Thailand? When were you there the 1st time? And are you somehow implying that Thailand and Vietnam are the same place? and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. Are you related to Bruce Bunion/WA8ULX? You can now wipe the slobber off your chin. Dan/W4NTI You completely forgot the part about you being at Woodstock and Vietnam. And the part about what this has to do with the code. I changed the subject header, because it has nothing to do with the 'code'. You are the one that is confused Brian. I never said a thing about Woodstock and Vietnam and Thailand. I said I was discharged in 1968. And yes I was in Thailand several times during that period. I was also in Vietnam during that period. In fact, just to make you happy here is a list of countries I was in from November 1965 to April of 1968. Okinawa Japan Phillipines Taiwan Thailand Vietnam All of which were TDY (Temporary Duty) from Okinawa. In April of 1967 I went for a full tour to Vietnam, leaving in April of 1968. Went stateside for 3 months and was discharged in July of 1968. Was placed on inactive reserve status for two more years in order to complete my 6 year military commitment. There is more, but this is pertenant to the discussion. After returning stateside and dropping by to see my mother I bought a 1 way ticket to Bangkok Thailand. Where I lived in between working in South Vietnam as a civilian contractor. I returned stateside December of 1969. Any questions Brian? Dan/W4NTI |
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. "Make love not War" "War is dangerous to all living things" etc. Dan/W4NTI Do you have to practice at being an asshole, Dan, or does it come that naturally? Kim W5TIT You bring out the best in me Kim. Dan/W4NTI That's a given, Dan. We all know you're an asshole. That wasn't the question. The question is do you have to practice? Kim W5TIT Not any more Twit. I have acheived the highest level possible. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, Dan, you know how it is with her. I'm labelled a chicken$h*t because I choose not to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed female. Yes...I noticed. But she sure has a lot of opinions. Rarely based on fact, however. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? Do you confuse Kent State and Woodstock often? You really must be a dumb ass. Of course it's possible. I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I had my military ID checked by the Guard on my way out of town. The next day the shootings occured. ( I was in-active reserve status). Reserves? I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian Back to Thailand? When were you there the 1st time? And are you somehow implying that Thailand and Vietnam are the same place? and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. Are you related to Bruce Bunion/WA8ULX? You can now wipe the slobber off your chin. Dan/W4NTI You completely forgot the part about you being at Woodstock and Vietnam. And the part about what this has to do with the code. I changed the subject header, because it has nothing to do with the 'code'. You are the one that is confused Brian. I never said a thing about Woodstock and Vietnam and Thailand. I said I was discharged in 1968. And yes I was in Thailand several times during that period. I was also in Vietnam during that period. In fact, just to make you happy here is a list of countries I was in from November 1965 to April of 1968. Okinawa Japan Phillipines Taiwan Thailand Vietnam All of which were TDY (Temporary Duty) from Okinawa. In April of 1967 I went for a full tour to Vietnam, leaving in April of 1968. Went stateside for 3 months and was discharged in July of 1968. Was placed on inactive reserve status for two more years in order to complete my 6 year military commitment. There is more, but this is pertenant to the discussion. After returning stateside and dropping by to see my mother I bought a 1 way ticket to Bangkok Thailand. Where I lived in between working in South Vietnam as a civilian contractor. I returned stateside December of 1969. Any questions Brian? Dan/W4NTI Addendum; I forgot to add Cambodia and Laos. Dan/W4NTI |
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om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? Do you confuse Kent State and Woodstock often? You really must be a dumb ass. Of course it's possible. I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I had my military ID checked by the Guard on my way out of town. The next day the shootings occured. ( I was in-active reserve status). Reserves? I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian Back to Thailand? When were you there the 1st time? And are you somehow implying that Thailand and Vietnam are the same place? and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. Are you related to Bruce Bunion/WA8ULX? You can now wipe the slobber off your chin. Dan/W4NTI You completely forgot the part about you being at Woodstock and Vietnam. And the part about what this has to do with the code. Some good guys and friends of mine, ex-Navy Seals have taught and drilled it into me that if someone's bragging, there's some bagging Kim W5TIT |
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hlink.net... "Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... "Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... Oh, now ur claiming to be a 'flower child'? Don't think so. Or perhaps you came in after things ended, eh? A wannabee flower child? Now thats a real probabliity. "Make love not War" "War is dangerous to all living things" etc. Dan/W4NTI Do you have to practice at being an asshole, Dan, or does it come that naturally? Kim W5TIT You bring out the best in me Kim. Dan/W4NTI That's a given, Dan. We all know you're an asshole. That wasn't the question. The question is do you have to practice? Kim W5TIT Not any more Twit. I have acheived the highest level possible. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, Dan, you know how it is with her. I'm labelled a chicken$h*t because I choose not to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed female. Yes...I noticed. But she sure has a lot of opinions. Rarely based on fact, however. Dan/W4NTI And I am sitting here so wowed with your intellect, Dan, that Bo Pilgrim is second on my list of mentors now. You are filthy, wretched and disgusting. I have never (even in Larry Roll) seen the equivalent to the blabbering garbage that you put forth hear in this newsgroup and it's as simple as that. You're as predictable as Len Anderson, and that makes you pretty damned boring. You spew forth with comments that prove to me that your lacking in social skills and never cared about making up for it. You have nothing but contempt for fellow human beings and it's because you seriously lack any form of humanity that would cause one to at least consider you worth listening to. You bring about your own sorry ass way of life and bring the rest of the world down for it, indeed dream it up in your little head that it's all "their fault." Then, you run into a woman of high intellect and your stooped so low for desperation to be able to one upmanship her that you swing into extremely low gear with nothing but name calling. Proving the points I have just observed about you. You are as worthless as dust in a waterless environment. No one here, in my opinion holds a candle to how wretchedly low you really are. Kim W5TIT |
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I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I was there the day before delivering lunch to my Dad...He was director of communications for KSUPD at the time. I was at Brown Junior High when we all got sent home suddenly...I found out about the shootings when I got home and turned on the scanner. I later joined the KSU Amateur Radio Club (K8GRA)when I got my Novice in October of 72...a perk of being the dependent of a campus employee. I had a chance to see the damage done by the students to the new Tower Dormitories on the south side of the campus...It was so new that some of the rooms still had new plastic on the matresses and it smell of mothballs...Trashed beyond recognition in some places. I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. Ravenna...been there? =) (Class of 74) Score still stands at National Guard 4...KSU Zip. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? Do you confuse Kent State and Woodstock often? You really must be a dumb ass. Of course it's possible. I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I had my military ID checked by the Guard on my way out of town. The next day the shootings occured. ( I was in-active reserve status). Reserves? I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian Back to Thailand? When were you there the 1st time? And are you somehow implying that Thailand and Vietnam are the same place? and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. Are you related to Bruce Bunion/WA8ULX? You can now wipe the slobber off your chin. Dan/W4NTI You completely forgot the part about you being at Woodstock and Vietnam. And the part about what this has to do with the code. Some good guys and friends of mine, ex-Navy Seals have taught and drilled it into me that if someone's bragging, there's some bagging Kim W5TIT Tell me TWIT..how is saying where I was bragging? You really are a TWIT ain't ya? Dan/W4NTI |
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net... I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I was there the day before delivering lunch to my Dad...He was director of communications for KSUPD at the time. I was at Brown Junior High when we all got sent home suddenly...I found out about the shootings when I got home and turned on the scanner. I later joined the KSU Amateur Radio Club (K8GRA)when I got my Novice in October of 72...a perk of being the dependent of a campus employee. I had a chance to see the damage done by the students to the new Tower Dormitories on the south side of the campus...It was so new that some of the rooms still had new plastic on the matresses and it smell of mothballs...Trashed beyond recognition in some places. I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. Ravenna...been there? =) (Class of 74) Score still stands at National Guard 4...KSU Zip. 73 Sure been to Ravenna. You know this Kent thing was really a bad deal. I was a vet of the VN bull****, but I really had a lot in common with the 'kids'. When I left out of the Kent area that evening...I told the guard that this BS about Nixon invading Cambodia was BS. I was in Cambodia re-supplying US troops in 67. And in Laos too. He was rather shocked. Oh well. Yes indeed the US Government lied. Dan/W4NTI Steve, K4YZ |
"N2EY" wrote in message
... In article , "Kim" writes: (lotta snippage) But you're still planting flowers, and liking jewelry. Same difference. Yeah, but I like to think that I'm being a bit of a renegade. Actually, I don't like things all the same. Remember the good 'ol "Neighborhood Association" debates that have come and gone here? I'm against them, for whatever purpose; and would be so very, very depressed if I ever have to live "in" one. Same here. But the reason those associations exist is fear - fear that folks won't keep up their properties in a reasonable manner if there is no mechanism to force them. Paranoia will destroy ya. Fear is a strong emotion. I'm not so attached to my property that I'd let fear determine where I live and worry about what someone else does on theirs. But, I also don't buy my place for investment--so to speak. I bought my place (with my hubby of course) to stay. This is the first land and home I've had, and no doubt will be the last. I plant roots...spent too much time being a Navy brat. I never got into the beatniky-hippie kind of lingo. Heck, I don't think I could even be classified as a true hippie--I am just a couple of years too late fer it. So am I. Most people like to romanticize about that period in this country's history. I don't know how it was here in the Dallas TX area--most people I've talked to who were around my age and a little older were too busy going to drive-in movies, necking, getting pregnant and getting married. Not very many politically motivated debates down here, 'least not the way we used to have 'em at the drop of a hat up there! But, what little we could do in our little town up north to protest the war, we did. We had a black arm-band day at high school; we had our graffiti on our bookcovers, etc. Not much to do in a little town. I don't remember, though, many folks who were "for" the war--other than our parents. Most of the guys I knew got drafted; most of the gals I knew were saying buy to their guys most of the time. And, the country was in upheaval. I'd not like to go back to those days at all. It was NOT a peaceful time in our history. The Yippies (now the Yuppies and everyone gets them confused as old hippies; they are not, they were Yippies) dragged the whole thing into violent protests. A true hippie would no more pick up a rock or spit at a cop than the man in the moon. The Yippies were extremists. Now, they're a bunch of pussy sell-outs who bought lock, stock, and barrel into the system they used to say they "hated." Some folks can be no other way. Naw, I think Dan can be a real up guy most of the time. Cool dude. I'd thrive at the opportunity to drive past him in a time of need, and I would drive right on by. People like him aren't worth my time, good or bad time at that. Woodstock? Let's see, that was late summer 1969, when Kim was 15 if memory serves. I don't think a responsible parent would let their 15-year-old go to such a "happening". Yep, 14 though. All the more reason. And, you're right. I had friends whose parents were much more lenient than mine who went. I'd call it "irresponsible" rather than "lenient". Naw, most of us were pretty grown up in our town. They'd been just as well going at 18 as 14-15. And they were. Most of them had a great time. Then, later, that concert happened up in...where was it--the race track (?) up in NY...OH YEAH, Glen something? Is that it? Well, anyway, by then I had my kids and wouldn't have gone for the best of times. A lot of us were mad that the clueless promoters had ruined the whole festival scene by their incompetence. Even 30 years later there were problems doing another one. Give me the Philadelphia Folk Festival any day. Well managed, excellent acts, good sound and video, well behaved crowd and it's been held every year since long before that place in NY. People take their kids and grandkids. No visible booze or drugs. I have a cousin in music that I bet you've seen if you went there. For the sake of her sanity, I'll private email you on that, if you'd like. I'm sure there's some jerk in here that would be incessant toward her if they knew who she was. I think there was more than talk. Did Yeager/Yager/Yeger (however his name is spelled) think there was loads to be had in a suit and begin the process until it was explained to him the debaucle of the whole thing? Max Yasgur, now dead, I think. I'm sure he got a piece of the pie. Point was, they made a mint from the whole "counterculture" aspect of it. Yeah, he did, as I recall. And, they did too. Yeah, Summer 1970 saw the tragedy at Kent State...the beginning of the end. End of what? Looking back, I'm amazed only four died in the Kent State mess. Days of near-riot conditions, kids throwing rocks and teargas canisters back at National Guardsmen (who were untrained in riot control)? KS was not a nonviolent demonstration. I think that was when "we" as a counter-culture began realizing that we and "they" had limits and that we had to start growing up with our approach to democracy. The unfortunate thing that happened out of the 60's is that on all campuses today, one must have a "stamp of approval" to organize and post things on the wall. While I'd not like to see the mob mentality as it was, it's a pity that our youth aren't exposed to true, true democracy in action, which, in my opinion, does involve activism. I applaud the TX Democrats who wouldn't give in to the pressures of an immature jerk here, who is called the Governor of this state. By the way, I'd have guessed you were an old hippie, Jim. Not me. I could never afford it. Wow, wonder what part you're speaking of. We all lived with our holey jeans, drove clunkers for cars, partied in fields, etc. LOL Nothing about afording anything with these guys. Let's see, our "swell" of hippies was aged from about 12 to 23-4. We lived in a small town, so big brothers and sisters always had little brothers and sisters with them; and every darned one of us was friends--I do miss that. Heck, my little guy--first born--was at more field parties as a baby than he's ever been to the rest of his life! First day out of the hospital we landed at a celebration near Hedges Lake, in a great big field to welcome Fall and have our last bash before Winter. Oct. 20, 1974. Guess what else we were just getting the chance to celebrate!? I went to engineering school, remember? I always thought that to build a better world, one had to know how to build things in the first place. So I learned how to do electrical engineering. And I'm still at it. Well, we had guys who went out of High School into Physics, Liberal Arts, and other Sciences. We loved for them to come home and tell us the tales of college life. Heh heh, my biggest kick back then was seeing Alice Cooper at a Hall on the campus of Plattsburgh, NY. There's no substitute for actually knowing how to do things, and doing them. Remember the movies "The Magnificent Seven" (actually a remake of "The Seven Samurai"? The farmers (productive people) does not need the bandits (moochers). But the bandits sure need the farmers! Some good things came out of those times. Those are the things to remember. At least there's still a few left upholding the original ideals. Yeah, baby! Actually, you might be surprised at how simple my "ideals" really are. I gave up. Not me. 73 de Jim, N2EY I don't think I'd be surprised at your ideals at all, Jim. It takes an awful lot to surprise me these days... Kim W5TIT |
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"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net... "Brian" wrote in message om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... Heck, from all accounts most of those who set out for Woodstock never actually got there due to traffic snarls. I especially like the ones who claimed they were both at Woodstock and in Vietnam. They probably saw both movies. The summer of 1969 was when human beings first set foot on the moon. That's what I think of first when that time is mentioned. I was 11. I remember selling flower seeds door to door to earn a West Ben fishing pole. And my Dad getting orders to Thailand. So what has all this do do with code? My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? Do you confuse Kent State and Woodstock often? You really must be a dumb ass. Of course it's possible. I was at Kent State visiting my cousin the evening before the shootings. The national guard had blocked the streets and the kids were running up and down the street throwing rocks, etc. I had my military ID checked by the Guard on my way out of town. The next day the shootings occured. ( I was in-active reserve status). Reserves? I was discharged in 1968. I went back to Thailand as a civilian Back to Thailand? When were you there the 1st time? And are you somehow implying that Thailand and Vietnam are the same place? and returned stateside in December of 69. My original home is Alliance, Ohio. Thats about 34 miles South of Kent, Ohio. Are you related to Bruce Bunion/WA8ULX? You can now wipe the slobber off your chin. Dan/W4NTI You completely forgot the part about you being at Woodstock and Vietnam. And the part about what this has to do with the code. I changed the subject header, because it has nothing to do with the 'code'. And you picked up on my comment about Woodstock and Vietnam. But you commented about Vietnam, Thailand and Kent State. You are the one that is confused Brian. I never said a thing about Woodstock and Vietnam and Thailand. You said something about Vietnam, Kent State, and Thailand. For example, here are your words about Vietnam and Kent State: ------------------------------ My my Brian....how is it so hard for you to figure a person could be a veteran of VN and be at Kent State also? ------------------------------ So the only confusion is yours. I hadn't commented on Vietnam AND Kent State. And here are your words about Thailand: ------------------------------ I went back to Thailand as a civilian ------------------------------ The only problem is that the topic was Vietnam and Woodstock. I said I was discharged in 1968. So you did. And yes I was in Thailand several times during that period. Again, what has this to do with you being in Vietnam? I was also in Vietnam during that period. And there it is. After all the obfuscation about being in Thailand, you finally come clean. In fact, just to make you happy here is a list of countries I was in from November 1965 to April of 1968. Okinawa Japan Phillipines Taiwan Thailand Vietnam Phillipines, huh? All of which were TDY (Temporary Duty) from Okinawa. I'm familiar with the term. In April of 1967 I went for a full tour to Vietnam, leaving in April of 1968. Went stateside for 3 months and was discharged in July of 1968. Was placed on inactive reserve status for two more years in order to complete my 6 year military commitment. Fascinating. There is more, but this is pertenant to the discussion. No doubt. After returning stateside and dropping by to see my mother I bought a 1 way ticket to Bangkok Thailand. Where I lived in between working in South Vietnam as a civilian contractor. I returned stateside December of 1969. Any questions Brian? Did you ever make it to Woodstock? |
"Mike Coslo" wrote:
(snip) Diminishing emphasis on "self-esteem" would be a great idea. Self-esteem should be something earned. One of the strangest things I have seen lately is the bizzare students who have a great sense of self-esteem with absolutely no reason for it. No accomplishments, no education, nothing but feeling really, really good about themselves. (snip) There's nothing wrong with a little self-esteem. Instead, as you suggest, the problem is being full of it (and, yes, the double meaning was intended). But a bigger problem is what they expect from others based on that bloated self-esteem. Too many today expect way too much respect from others, far beyond what is routinely given to just another human being. It's not just a coincidence that he or she "disrespected me" has become a common complaint today. Many feel they don't they have to do anything to earn that extra respect - it should be given just because they're a wonderful human being. Of course, when that extra respect is not forthcoming, they feel cheated. The schools do a fine job of installing plenty of self-esteem. However, they fail at also making those kids understand than anything beyond basic respect has to be earned - it's not just given because you happen to exist. (snip) Oh, yeah. Get the kids thinking about something other than what's happening 5 minutes from now. Well, thatıs probably trying to achieve a little too much. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:
"Dick Carroll;" wrote: Yeah, Dan, you know how it is with her. I'm labelled a chicken$h*t because I choose not to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed female. Yes...I noticed. But she sure has a lot of opinions. Rarely based on fact, however. Why do those with your views always seek the assurances of others, Dan? First it was Bruce in the "vhf-uhf" newsgroup, now Dick in this newsgroup. Perhaps if your views and behavior were more mainstream, you would not have to seek out the support of others to gain confidence in that. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"N2EY" wrote:
Which is why I haven't had cable since 1979, and why the sole TV here spends a lot of time off. That's the main weapon of the marketplace. We had one significant advantage in that area - we lived overseas for many years without much English-language television available. Because of that, we've never developed much of an addiction to television. We have two in the apartment right now (not ours - they came with the place). Neither of those have been on for more than an hour today, and most of that time was the weather channel (a show about a hurricane hitting Texas years ago) while I was putting a new chair together. Right now, the place is blissfully quiet. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dick Carroll;" wrote:
Dwight, there has never been *anyone* posting on usenet that has been more full of it--pun definitely intended- than YOU. A regular windbag. And it's all hot. Dick, did you get out of bed on the wrong side of life this week? If not, what is up with all the negative waste you're posting? If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. It's ridiculous to sit there complaining about what I say while you obviously continue to read every word of it. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: You bring out the best in me Kim. Dan/W4NTI That's a given, Dan. We all know you're an asshole. That wasn't the question. The question is do you have to practice? Kim W5TIT Not any more Twit. I have acheived the highest level possible. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, Dan, you know how it is with her. I'm labelled a chicken$h*t because I choose not to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed female. Yes...I noticed. But she sure has a lot of opinions. Rarely based on fact, however. Dan/W4NTI Kim: Let's count the number of times you call Dan some kind of name in the following response. And I am sitting here so wowed with your intellect, Dan, that Bo Pilgrim is second on my list of mentors now. There's Number One. You are filthy, wretched and disgusting. Two, Three, and Four. I have never (even in Larry Roll) seen the equivalent to the blabbering garbage that you put forth hear in this newsgroup and it's as simple as that. Five. You're as predictable as Len Anderson, Six. (Comparing anyone to anyone else, especially comparing them to Lennie, is definitely "name calling." and that makes you pretty damned boring. Seven. You spew forth with comments that prove to me that your lacking in social skills and never cared about making up for it. I'll count that as a double; Eight and Nine. You have nothing but contempt for fellow human beings 10. and it's because you seriously lack any form of humanity 11. You bring about your own sorry ass way of life 12. That's enough, an even dozen. We'll stop here. Now, for the real irony: Then, you run into a woman of high intellect Whom would that be, Kim? and your stooped so low for desperation to be able to one upmanship her that you swing into extremely low gear with nothing but name calling. And, naturally, you prove your point by indulging in a dozen "name callings" yourself. Proving the points I have just observed about you. Actually, No, Kim, you just proved those exact same points about yourself. You are as worthless as dust in a waterless environment. Gold dust, compared to you, Kim. No one here, in my opinion holds a candle to how wretchedly low you really are. Except for the person staring back at you in your bathroom mirror. POT + KETTLE = BLACK. The only logic you know. Kim, you are totally out of your depth here. You debase and humiliate yourself with each and every posting you make. I don't know why you have this impulse to continue to prove your abject lack of intellectual maturity, but keep it up. You provide plenty of amusement. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , "Kim"
writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , "Kim" writes: (lotta snippage) But you're still planting flowers, and liking jewelry. Same difference. Yeah, but I like to think that I'm being a bit of a renegade. Actually, I don't like things all the same. Remember the good 'ol "Neighborhood Association" debates that have come and gone here? I'm against them, for whatever purpose; and would be so very, very depressed if I ever have to live "in" one. Same here. But the reason those associations exist is fear - fear that folks won't keep up their properties in a reasonable manner if there is no mechanism to force them. Paranoia will destroy ya. Fear is a strong emotion. "Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid Step outa line, the men come and take you away..." I'm not so attached to my property that I'd let fear determine where I live and worry about what someone else does on theirs. But, I also don't buy my place for investment--so to speak. I bought my place (with my hubby of course) to stay. This is the first land and home I've had, and no doubt will be the last. I plant roots...spent too much time being a Navy brat. If that works for you, great! My point is that the driving force behind HOAs and CC&Rs and such is often a really bad experience. Or fear of same. All it takes is one bad tenant or property owner to start a downward trend in a neighborhood. If you ever had to sell your place for much less than you paid for it because of what your neighbors did, you might feel a bit different. Some years back I lived near a street where there was one family who let their property go to heck. Paint peeling, stucco falling off, grass and weeds all over the place. The garage roof caved in. Kids running wild at all hours of the night, loud music and louder cars. Vandalism that could not be proved to be their doing. Police called on a regular basis. That family simply didn't care, and there was not much anyone could do until they actually broke a law. Which they carefully avoided doing when the police were anywhere near. Some folks moved away, but many could not, because their mortgages were bigger than their property values. (Their properties were devalued because of that one family). Then, fortunately, the wild kids began to grow up. They began to realize that they could actually live like civilized human beings if they put forth a little effort. They began to keep regular hours, and to repair the house they'd spent their youth trashing. Property values promptly reached the level of similar neighborhoods in the area. We were lucky. Many people aren't so lucky. The idea of HOAs is threefold: First, to spell out in detail what it means to keep a property in shape. Second, to see that it gets done. Third, to keep out people who won't play by the rules. I never got into the beatniky-hippie kind of lingo. Heck, I don't think I could even be classified as a true hippie--I am just a couple of years too late fer it. So am I. Most people like to romanticize about that period in this country's history. Some do. I don't. I don't know how it was here in the Dallas TX area--most people I've talked to who were around my age and a little older were too busy going to drive-in movies, necking, getting pregnant and getting married. In that order! And doing the first three at the drive in.... Not very many politically motivated debates down here, 'least not the way we used to have 'em at the drop of a hat up there! But, what little we could do in our little town up north to protest the war, we did. We had a black arm-band day at high school; we had our graffiti on our bookcovers, etc. Not much to do in a little town. I don't remember, though, many folks who were "for" the war--other than our parents. In suburban Philly we had all types. Kids who enlisted and kids who went to Canada and everything in between. Often in the same family. Most of the guys I knew got drafted; most of the gals I knew were saying buy to their guys most of the time. And, the country was in upheaval. I'd not like to go back to those days at all. It was NOT a peaceful time in our history. Exactly. Things were far more polarized than today. The Yippies (now the Yuppies and everyone gets them confused as old hippies; they are not, they were Yippies) dragged the whole thing into violent protests. "Steal This Book". A true hippie would no more pick up a rock or spit at a cop than the man in the moon. The Yippies were extremists. Now, they're a bunch of pussy sell-outs who bought lock, stock, and barrel into the system they used to say they "hated." We had Ira Einhorn. Asshole extraordinaire. Finally brought to justice. The whole "hippie" movement was paradoxical in that it was brought about by the very affluence it rejected. See below. Some folks can be no other way. Naw, I think Dan can be a real up guy most of the time. Cool dude. I'd thrive at the opportunity to drive past him in a time of need, and I would drive right on by. People like him aren't worth my time, good or bad time at that. I would help Dan out if I saw him stuck by the side of the road. Woodstock? Let's see, that was late summer 1969, when Kim was 15 if memory serves. I don't think a responsible parent would let their 15-year-old go to such a "happening". Yep, 14 though. All the more reason. And, you're right. I had friends whose parents were much more lenient than mine who went. I'd call it "irresponsible" rather than "lenient". Naw, most of us were pretty grown up in our town. You (plural collective, not just you personally, Kim) thought you were, anyway. If you weren't paying your own way 100%, you weren't grown up. They'd been just as well going at 18 as 14-15. And they were. Most of them had a great time. Then, later, that concert happened up in...where was it--the race track (?) up in NY...OH YEAH, Glen something? Is that it? Watkins Glen. Beautiful place. Well, anyway, by then I had my kids and wouldn't have gone for the best of times. A lot of us were mad that the clueless promoters had ruined the whole festival scene by their incompetence. Even 30 years later there were problems doing another one. Give me the Philadelphia Folk Festival any day. Well managed, excellent acts, good sound and video, well behaved crowd and it's been held every year since long before that place in NY. People take their kids and grandkids. No visible booze or drugs. I have a cousin in music that I bet you've seen if you went there. For the sake of her sanity, I'll private email you on that, if you'd like. Please do. I'll not repeat what you send. Old folkies like me respect such privacies. I'm sure there's some jerk in here that would be incessant toward her if they knew who she was. Not me. btw, I once performed live on stage with Christine Lavin at the Keswick Theatre. I think there was more than talk. Did Yeager/Yager/Yeger (however his name is spelled) think there was loads to be had in a suit and begin the process until it was explained to him the debaucle of the whole thing? Max Yasgur, now dead, I think. I'm sure he got a piece of the pie. Point was, they made a mint from the whole "counterculture" aspect of it. Yeah, he did, as I recall. And, they did too. So much for counterculture. Yeah, Summer 1970 saw the tragedy at Kent State...the beginning of the end. End of what? Looking back, I'm amazed only four died in the Kent State mess. Days of near-riot conditions, kids throwing rocks and teargas canisters back at National Guardsmen (who were untrained in riot control)? KS was not a nonviolent demonstration. I think that was when "we" as a counter-culture began realizing that we and "they" had limits and that we had to start growing up with our approach to democracy. The unfortunate thing that happened out of the 60's is that on all campuses today, one must have a "stamp of approval" to organize and post things on the wall. While I'd not like to see the mob mentality as it was, it's a pity that our youth aren't exposed to true, true democracy in action, which, in my opinion, does involve activism. I applaud the TX Democrats who wouldn't give in to the pressures of an immature jerk here, who is called the Governor of this state. There's a big difference between activism and violence. Groups like the Weathermen and SDS actually worked against the counterculture movement, ultimately killing it. By the way, I'd have guessed you were an old hippie, Jim. Not me. I could never afford it. Wow, wonder what part you're speaking of. We all lived with our holey jeans, drove clunkers for cars, partied in fields, etc. LOL Nothing about afording anything with these guys. Let's see, our "swell" of hippies was aged from about 12 to 23-4. We lived in a small town, so big brothers and sisters always had little brothers and sisters with them; and every darned one of us was friends--I do miss that. Heck, my little guy--first born--was at more field parties as a baby than he's ever been to the rest of his life! First day out of the hospital we landed at a celebration near Hedges Lake, in a great big field to welcome Fall and have our last bash before Winter. Oct. 20, 1974. Guess what else we were just getting the chance to celebrate!? Getting hitched? Turning 20? End of the draft? The bit about "couldn't afford it" was no joke. What made the hippie movement possible in the '60s was an economy that offered lots of basic jobs which required little skill, education or experience. Almost every business had lots of labor-intensive stuff from file clerking to pumping gas to manually pricing every can of beans at the Acme. There was little foreign competition, and the labor unions were so strong that almost all working people benefited, either directly (by being in a union) or indirectly (the nonunion shops had to keep the workers happy enough that they wouldn't unionize). College tuitions back then were dirt cheap, particularly at state schools. The necessities of life were very inexpensive of you didn't go in for the fancy stuff. All that changed in the 1970s. In many ways the '70s had more long-lasting changes than the '60s. Most of your classic hippies were kids born during and immediately after WW2. (The kids who were in their teens and early 20s in the 1960s were born from 1940 to 1950). They were the leading edge of the baby boom, getting everything new and not having to compete as much as those who came later. The "hippest" ones were almost invariably those who had grown up in comfortable, secure surroundings. They were not worried about the future at all - they were confident that they would be taken care of. Working class kids rarely became hippies; they were too busy working and/or going to school. They *were* worried about the future, and they had no illusions about being taken care of. I went to engineering school, remember? I always thought that to build a better world, one had to know how to build things in the first place. So I learned how to do electrical engineering. And I'm still at it. Well, we had guys who went out of High School into Physics, Liberal Arts, and other Sciences. Bah! Physics is a true science. Liberal Arts isn't. Engineering is about really doing stuff, not just talking about it. "Rocket scientists" did not put men on the moon - rocket engineers did. "Scientists dream of doing great things. Engineers do them." - Wehrner Von Braun We loved for them to come home and tell us the tales of college life. Heh heh, my biggest kick back then was seeing Alice Cooper at a Hall on the campus of Plattsburgh, NY. We had the Main Point and the Spectrum and the Electric Factory. Gene Shay on Sunday night. Warren Zevon recording at Sigma Sound. The Philadelphia Orchestra and TLA. We also had professors of rare talent and ability. And I had the unique experience, in 1976, of seeing parts of the world's first true electronic digital computer (ENIAC) returned to the place where they had benn built. There's no substitute for actually knowing how to do things, and doing them. Remember the movies "The Magnificent Seven" (actually a remake of "The Seven Samurai"? The farmers (productive people) does not need the bandits (moochers). But the bandits sure need the farmers! Some good things came out of those times. Those are the things to remember. At least there's still a few left upholding the original ideals. Yeah, baby! Actually, you might be surprised at how simple my "ideals" really are. I gave up. Not me. I don't think I'd be surprised at your ideals at all, Jim. I think you might be.....but then again, maybe not. It takes an awful lot to surprise me these days... What matters is our enjoyment. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Dan, If your response here is to me and not Larry, you are way off the mark. The ones here are the ones that were dodging the draft by either using their republican friends influence somehow/someway or staying stateside in the guard. More of the "who ya know" syndrome. Maybe some of the lower level employees were, but the upper management are definitely not the "flower child" type. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... (snippage) Dang...thats really hard to believe. A 'republican university' taught by tenured 60s flower children. Wow.....guess those Hippies really did turn into Yuppies after all. Dan/W4NTI |
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