Hams ought to know better. After all, we are used to being ambassadors for
the hobby while on the air... Strictly speaking, this would lead one to
expect hams to be one of the very best-behaved groups on usenet as well. The
basic, guiding principal is the same: Our behavior when on the air (or on
the Internet) reflects directly upon the hobby.

These days it is easy to come up with a specialized mailing list, and that's
where this newsgroup's type of discussion belongs, in a semi-private venue.
Usenet is too public for airing out our dirty underwear. This repetitious
code / no code stuff should be moved out of the public eye. The discussion
has migrated before - and should do so again, for the same reason. - To cut
down on the noise level, and put a better face on the hobby at a critical
time.

The fact that you can point out bad behavior done in the past does nothing
to justify further bad behavior today or tomorrow. Instead, it points out
the need to do better, to set our sights on where we really want to be.

Charles, N5PVL

That is great Charles, you are using your free speech right to tell others
that they should not debate public issues in public.

I predict that 47 CFR 97.503(a) will last long then this thread.

Please, this newsgroup is reserved for the endless code/nocode debate.
The censorship debate is on another newsgroup.

:-(((( Larry


"charlesb" wrote in message
gy.com...

Usenet is too public for airing out our dirty underwear. This repetitious
code / no code stuff should be moved out of the public eye.

Charles, N5PVL

In article om, "charlesb"
writes:

The fact that you can point out bad behavior done in the past does nothing
to justify further bad behavior today or tomorrow. Instead, it points out
the need to do better, to set our sights on where we really want to be.

Charles, N5PVL

Charles:

We're here, we're in your face, and we're staying. If you don't like us,
why don't you complain to the ARRL and/or the FCC? I'm sure they'll
be glad to hear from you.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"charlesb" wrote in message


The fact that you can point out bad behavior done in the past does nothing
to justify further bad behavior today or tomorrow. Instead, it points out
the need to do better, to set our sights on where we really want to be.


Charles and I have found many reasons to disagree in the past, but on
this matter we are 100% in agreement.

Here on rrap the pro-coders, no-coders, slow-coders, and limp coders
rail on and on about a subject long since put to bed by the regulators,
and the whole meaningless fight takes on a surreal similarity to the
fights between sailboaters and motorboaters, arguing which is more
technically advanced, which can get through when conditions are bad,
which is modern vs. invented in the olden days, etc., etc., etc.

Meanwhile, on the shore a group of commercial developers is plotting to
buy the lake, drain it, and build a strip mall.

Rather than band together to save our hobby, we seem hell-bent on
finding inconsequential and OTBE things to fight about, splintering and
diluting whatever influence we have on regulators and the general
public.

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
Without spectrum, there is no amateur radio.




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"Hans Kohb" wrote in message
news:91abb4385c0f0e49bb49ad536db3ac61.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org...
"charlesb" wrote in message


The fact that you can point out bad behavior done in the past does
nothing
to justify further bad behavior today or tomorrow. Instead, it points
out
the need to do better, to set our sights on where we really want to be.


Charles and I have found many reasons to disagree in the past, but on
this matter we are 100% in agreement.

Here on rrap the pro-coders, no-coders, slow-coders, and limp coders
rail on and on about a subject long since put to bed by the regulators,
and the whole meaningless fight takes on a surreal similarity to the
fights between sailboaters and motorboaters, arguing which is more
technically advanced, which can get through when conditions are bad,
which is modern vs. invented in the olden days, etc., etc., etc.


As all the efforts that have been put towards the arguments and other
negative stuff, were put to postive use, maybe the world of amateur radio
around us would not be "coming one step closer to extinction." If those
efforts were put to building amateur radio in general, we would be better
off.



--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
--. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-.
... --. .... - . .-. ...


Meanwhile, on the shore a group of commercial developers is plotting to
buy the lake, drain it, and build a strip mall.

Rather than band together to save our hobby, we seem hell-bent on
finding inconsequential and OTBE things to fight about, splintering and
diluting whatever influence we have on regulators and the general
public.

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
Without spectrum, there is no amateur radio.




--
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Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
"Hans Kohb" wrote in message
news:91abb4385c0f0e49bb49ad536db3ac61.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org...

"charlesb" wrote in message


The fact that you can point out bad behavior done in the past does

nothing

to justify further bad behavior today or tomorrow. Instead, it points

out

the need to do better, to set our sights on where we really want to be.


Charles and I have found many reasons to disagree in the past, but on
this matter we are 100% in agreement.

Here on rrap the pro-coders, no-coders, slow-coders, and limp coders
rail on and on about a subject long since put to bed by the regulators,
and the whole meaningless fight takes on a surreal similarity to the
fights between sailboaters and motorboaters, arguing which is more
technically advanced, which can get through when conditions are bad,
which is modern vs. invented in the olden days, etc., etc., etc.



As all the efforts that have been put towards the arguments and other
negative stuff, were put to postive use, maybe the world of amateur radio
around us would not be "coming one step closer to extinction." If those
efforts were put to building amateur radio in general, we would be better
off.

Yeahh, everyone thinks that. Problem is they want everyone's opinion to
match their own.... And there are plenty of differeing definitions and
opinions of exactly what ppositive is.


- Mike KB3EIA -