Ahh, the joy of Echolink!
 

I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

- Mike KB3EIA -



No surprise there Mike. No calls, no decency, no license. Access available
to anyone that can lie their way in. Yep....what a system.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message
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Hans K0HB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote

I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about
his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

Echolink isn't too blame for the incidents you describe.

Control operators are responsible to shut down their machines or
amptutate the offending user when such violatons occur.

Don't blame technology for the failings of those who implement it.

Both of the problems you describe are independent of the fact that
Echolink happens to be involved.

We used to hear the very same apologistic response to the ills of
CB/Freeband.....today
nobody even bothers to apologize.

Ham radio, we hardly knew ye...


Exactly !!

Dan/W4NTI

No surprise there Mike. No calls, no decency, no license. Access available
to anyone that can lie their way in. Yep....what a system.


I will only do IRLP. At least there's a radio at each end.

It's still fake skip.

"Dick Carroll;" wrote

We used to hear the very same apologistic response to the ills of CB/Freeband.....today
nobody even bothers to apologize.

Whatever the phuck "apologistic" means..... you blame Echolink
technology for the blatant rules violations of some jerkoff who happens
to be using it????

If some jerkoff violates the rules on CW do you blame Morse code???

I used to wonder if you were as backward as you seem. I don't wonder
anymore.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB






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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Welcome to Ham Radio of the 21st century!

Hans K0HB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote


I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.


Echolink isn't too blame for the incidents you describe.

Not blaming echolink, I'm blaming the people that inhabit it.


Control operators are responsible to shut down their machines or
amptutate the offending user when such violatons occur.

But she/he didn't.

Don't blame technology for the failings of those who implement it.

Both of the problems you describe are independent of the fact that
Echolink happens to be involved.

CB is not inherently bad either, but I don't care to go there. BTW,
this was much worse than anything I ever heard on CB. YMMV

- Mike KB3EIA -

Hans K0HB wrote:
"Dick Carroll;" wrote


We used to hear the very same apologistic response to the ills of CB/Freeband.....today
nobody even bothers to apologize.


Whatever the phuck "apologistic" means..... you blame Echolink
technology for the blatant rules violations of some jerkoff who happens
to be using it????

Considering your language here, I'm starting to understand.


If some jerkoff violates the rules on CW do you blame Morse code???

I used to wonder if you were as backward as you seem. I don't wonder
anymore.

Hans, would you want your children or grandchildren to listen to that
filth on your radio? It doesn't have any place in the ARS, but it's what
I'm hearing.

- Mike KB3EIA -

shephed wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Welcome to Ham Radio of the 21st century!

As far as I can tell - and I don't know all that much abour Echolink,
every repeater operator along the line will be responsible for the
content going over their repeater. These folk better think about what
they are doing.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote

Hans, would you want your children or grandchildren to listen to that
filth on your radio? It doesn't have any place in the ARS, but it's what
I'm hearing.

Of course foul language has no place in the ARS!!!! DUH!!!!!

So you blame EchoLink, FM, repeaters, or do you blame the creeps who
commit the offense?

Good luck on this one now!

73, de Hans, K0HB





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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
shephed wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Welcome to Ham Radio of the 21st century!

As far as I can tell - and I don't know all that much abour Echolink,
every repeater operator along the line will be responsible for the
content going over their repeater. These folk better think about what
they are doing.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Same silly crap about Packet when it was passing 'strange' traffic. What
was done? Nothing.

Dan/W4NTI

Hans K0HB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote


Hans, would you want your children or grandchildren to listen to that
filth on your radio? It doesn't have any place in the ARS, but it's what
I'm hearing.


Of course foul language has no place in the ARS!!!! DUH!!!!!

So you blame EchoLink, FM, repeaters, or do you blame the creeps who
commit the offense?

Of course I blame the perps. But I still get an idea of what the
neighborhood is like when I hear them there.

You want to go there, that's just fine. I'll pass.

And as far as techno-bigotry goes, Echolink isn't very high on the
techno-scale.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
nk.net...

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message
...


Hans K0HB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote

I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about
his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

Echolink isn't too blame for the incidents you describe.

Control operators are responsible to shut down their machines or
amptutate the offending user when such violatons occur.

Don't blame technology for the failings of those who implement it.

Both of the problems you describe are independent of the fact that
Echolink happens to be involved.

We used to hear the very same apologistic response to the ills of
CB/Freeband.....today
nobody even bothers to apologize.

Ham radio, we hardly knew ye...


Exactly !!

Dan/W4NTI



I have never heard such whining...

Kim W5TIT

"charlesb" wrote


Just for fun: Try to "Google" "freeband echolink". Lots of interesting
links there.


Your rationale reminds me of the gun control crowd who would ban
private ownership of handguns because some criminal used a handgun in
a liquor store holdup. Rather than attack the perpetrators you want
to ban the technology for all legitimate users. Welcome to Amerika!

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

"Hans Kohb" wrote in message
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"Dick Carroll;" wrote


Charlie, don't confuse Hans. He's signed on to the "All will be well if
we can only get
enough warm bodies into ham radio" scenario.

It's you that's corn-fused! Where did you cook up that fantasy? I have
stated several times in this newsgroup that I could hardly care less if
the number of hams increases or doesn't increase.


Neither one of you guys should confuse me with someone who cares about that
kind of off-topic baloney.

Charles, N5PVL

charlesb wrote:
"Hans Kohb" wrote in message
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"Dick Carroll;" wrote



Charlie, don't confuse Hans. He's signed on to the "All will be well if

we can only get

enough warm bodies into ham radio" scenario.

It's you that's corn-fused! Where did you cook up that fantasy? I have
stated several times in this newsgroup that I could hardly care less if
the number of hams increases or doesn't increase.



Neither one of you guys should confuse me with someone who cares about that
kind of off-topic baloney.

Echolink's certainly relavent to Amateur radio policy!

- Mike KB3EIA

Robert Casey wrote:


No surprise there Mike. No calls, no decency, no license. Access
available
to anyone that can lie their way in. Yep....what a system.


And someone can obtain a ham radio rig and go on the air with a bootleg
call. Same difference.

I don't know about you, but unless I'm contesting, I usually look up
the callsign. And plenty of others do too. So Mr. Pirate won't go
undetected for long. Perhaps Echolink will be the same, perhaps not.

- Mike KB3EIA -

charlesb wrote:
"Robert Casey" wrote in message
...


No surprise there Mike. No calls, no decency, no license. Access

available

to anyone that can lie their way in. Yep....what a system.



And someone can obtain a ham radio rig and go on the air with a bootleg
call.
Same difference.



Hmmmm... Let's put on our thinking caps for a moment, and consider whether
there is generally more access to ham rigs, or to Internet capable
computers. Which one is easiest and cheapest for potential bootleggers to
obtain access to?

Same difference? I don't think so. Echolink is the best thing to happen
to bootleggers - ever.

If I were to go where freebander types hang out and leave an informative
article about EchoLink, that would be an irresponsible act... It would be
irresponsible for me to point out that vulnerability within the hobby, but
not nearly so irresponsible as the programmer who created that vulnerability
in the first place.

In this day and age, amateurs are more, not less conscious of security
issues. EchoLink is a big hole in our security, and most especially should
never be utilized for anything even remotely related to emergency
communications. As hams, what we have to bring to the table here is
independent radio communications. The department of homeland security did
not affiliate with the ARRL because of our ability to use the Internet.

One basic of emergency communications is not to develop a dependence on the
network that you are there to back up. Using the Internet as a central part
of a Ham Radio network (of any type) is like having a plan to use the
telephone to report outages in telephone service. The emergency plan works
great - until there is an emergency.

Add that to the hundreds, perhaps thousands of hams who instantly gave up on
learning more about ham radio in order to upgrade upon discovering EchoLink,
and you begin to understand whether EchoLink has had a positive or negative
influence upon the hobby.

Sure, lots of hams have enjoyed EchoLink... Lots of drivers would enjoy free
six-packs of beer at highway tool-booths too, but that doesn't mean it is a
responsible or intelligent thing to do.

And even though I have tried to look into Echolink with an open mind,
in the end, I just don't think of it as a ham type sport - except for
those that just want to talk. And I'm more into the hobby to build
things, contest, and try to stretch my radio legs - not just talk.

- Mike KB3EIA -

charlesb wrote:

Some snippage

In this day and age, amateurs are more, not less conscious of security
issues. EchoLink is a big hole in our security, and most especially
should
never be utilized for anything even remotely related to emergency
communications. As hams, what we have to bring to the table here is
independent radio communications. The department of homeland security did
not affiliate with the ARRL because of our ability to use the Internet.

Someone a while back had noted that Echolink would be great in an
emergency. I wonder how many people in the areas hit by the recent
blackout had an internet connection?

Add that to the hundreds, perhaps thousands of hams who instantly gave
up on learning more about ham radio in order to upgrade upon discovering
EchoLink, and you begin to understand whether EchoLink has had a positive or
negative influence upon the hobby.

An excellent point, Charles! Oh brave new world........

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

I have never heard such whining...

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

Of course you have. You can hear yourself talk, can't you?

73 de Larry, K3LT

"charlesb" wrote


Just for fun: Try to "Google" "freeband echolink". Lots of interesting
links there.


Just for fun, I did. Results below. Maybe I used the wrong Google?

73, Hans



Your search - "freeband echolink" - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
Also, you can try Google Answers for expert help with your search.

"K0HB" wrote in message
om...
"charlesb" wrote


Just for fun: Try to "Google" "freeband echolink". Lots of interesting
links there.


Just for fun, I did. Results below. Maybe I used the wrong Google?


Probably just don't know how to use it. My ten-year old son just managed it
just fine. Perhaps you should try again.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"K0HB" wrote in message
om...
"charlesb" wrote


Just for fun: Try to "Google" "freeband echolink". Lots of interesting
links there.


Just for fun, I did. Results below. Maybe I used the wrong Google?

I just managed to duplicate your results. Hans. I had to leave the quotes
around the two words, in order to get it to mess up.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"charlesb" wrote in message
...

"K0HB" wrote in message
om...
"charlesb" wrote


Just for fun: Try to "Google" "freeband echolink". Lots of
interesting
links there.


Just for fun, I did. Results below. Maybe I used the wrong Google?

Hans, you appear to disagree with my post about echolink, but you do not
offer any counterpoint to the arguements I made... Instead, you seem to be
going into "insult and mindless nit-pick" mode. You decided to Troll.

In the future, when you respond to rational, reasonable arguement with a
kindergarten level response, I will ignore you, and just figure that you
have no arguement. That's pretty well the case here, isn't it Hans?

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...

Good grief, Charles. All Hans did was tell you that he tried a search and
posted the results he got. If you can extrapolate a disagreement from the
post that Hans submitted, I suggest to you that you were dearly searching
for one...

Kim W5TIT

Yes, it's true. I have come to know Hans over the years.

Charles, N5PVL

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

No surprise there Mike. No calls, no decency, no license. Access available
to anyone that can lie their way in. Yep....what a system.


And someone can obtain a ham radio rig and go on the air with a bootleg
call.
Same difference.

Not really!

First off, once you get beyond the HT or magmount-on-the-filing-cabinet stage,
it's a lot more trouble to set up a ham station.

Second (and this is the biggie) the only way for a bootlegger to avoid lots of
negative attention from other hams is to act legitimate.

73 de Jim, N2EY

First to blame are the offenders obviously, Second to blame are the Control
Operators that are supposed to be monitoring the damned thing to catch it
before it gets out of hand. It's just that simple.



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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
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"Mike Coslo" wrote

Hans, would you want your children or grandchildren to listen to that
filth on your radio? It doesn't have any place in the ARS, but it's what
I'm hearing.

Of course foul language has no place in the ARS!!!! DUH!!!!!

So you blame EchoLink, FM, repeaters, or do you blame the creeps who
commit the offense?

Good luck on this one now!

73, de Hans, K0HB





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Mike,

I do believe it does serve some purpose...... I have a friend that goes to
Arizona every winter due to him and his wife's health issues and he does not
have much there to use for equipment. He and I chat via Echolink on a
regular basis on the link point connected where he is at. I also have
developed some friendships with the people that frequent that access point
(simplex access point, not a repeater one) as well. He is a 30+ year Extra
class licensee so he CAN operate just about anywhere but only has 2m/70cm
access when he goes there.

In this case it is a very productive use of the system. In this particular
circumstance we would never be able to communicate if it wasn't for the
system. Other than a little experimentation with it at first, I have not
used it for much more than to communicate with him though.


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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
--. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-.
... --. .... - . .-. ...
And even though I have tried to look into Echolink with an open mind,
in the end, I just don't think of it as a ham type sport - except for
those that just want to talk. And I'm more into the hobby to build
things, contest, and try to stretch my radio legs - not just talk.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Mike,

I do believe it does serve some purpose...... I have a friend that goes to
Arizona every winter due to him and his wife's health issues and he does
not
have much there to use for equipment. He and I chat via Echolink on a
regular basis on the link point connected where he is at. I also have
developed some friendships with the people that frequent that access point
(simplex access point, not a repeater one) as well. He is a 30+ year
Extra
class licensee so he CAN operate just about anywhere but only has 2m/70cm
access when he goes there.

In this case it is a very productive use of the system. In this
particular
circumstance we would never be able to communicate if it wasn't for the
system. Other than a little experimentation with it at first, I have not
used it for much more than to communicate with him though.

You could say the same things if your friend had been using a cell-phone or
regular telephone, Ryan.

You most especially could say the same things if they had been using ICQ or
any other form of Internet chat.

The fact that people use Echolink to successfully communicate does not
magically make the Internet connection "ham radio". An important
distinction to keep in mind is that our hobby is not called "Amateur
Communication", where any form of communication will serve but rather
"Amateur Radio", where the focus is solely upon radio communications.

The ARRL inadvertently created some confusion about this with thier
"communicator" promotions, a few years back.

The fact that your friends have decided to slow down and reduce the audio
quality of thier Internet chat by hanging a radio on one end or the other
does not make that Internet communication "Ham Radio"... It just means that
they are willing to put up with reduced performance in thier chat
activities, in order to have a "ham radio simulator" at one end or the
other.

In the end, Echolink serves as an excuse not to use radio to communicate "as
a ham", as in the case with your friends. It also very often serves as an
excuse not to learn more about the hobby and upgrade, as in the case of the
hundreds, perhaps thousands of hams who instantly dropped plans to upgrade,
or even to buy a radio upon discovering Echolink. Echolink devotees are just
brimming over with excuses, but none of those excuses change the fact that
Echolink is an Internet chat, not ham radio.

----------------------------------------------------------

Just for fun: Remember "Hands across America"? It was some kind of a wierd
promotion where they tried to get people to join hands in a solid chain,
coast to coast! There were some unexpected difficulties in mountanous and
desert areas that could have easily been foreseen, but anyway:

Imagine a chain of people, coast to coast, passing along a note like we used
to do in school, but this note goes from New York to Los Angeles,
California!

The original note is written down from a message heard on a handy-talky from
a New York repeater.

They pass the note, thousands of people passing it hand-to-hand across the
whole U.S. and finally at the end, the note is read into the microphone of
another H/T, tuned to a repeater in Los Angeles.

Headline: "Hams use handy-talkies to communicate from New York to Los
Angeles!"

-----------------------------------------------------------

I believe it would be stretching things just a bit too much to call it an
"amateur radio" communication, don't you?

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Au Contraire
Echolink is an Internet chat FOR Amateur Radio Operators
And anything that allows communication between Hams gotta be OK.
Just another communication vehicle
Get over it!

I never use it but can easily understand why it can be of value to others.
And that from a 25 Year extra class ham.
Hey CW, SSB, RTTY, PSK31, Packet, NTS, IRLP, EchoLink, Phone Patch, et al --
communicate communicate is da word.

Signal In The Noise But MDS
------------------------------------------------------------
SNIP Da Rationale
Echolink devotees are just
brimming over with excuses, but none of those excuses change the fact that
Echolink is an Internet chat, not ham radio.

"charlesb" wrote in message
...

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Mike,

I do believe it does serve some purpose...... I have a friend that goes
to
Arizona every winter due to him and his wife's health issues and he does
not
have much there to use for equipment. He and I chat via Echolink on a
regular basis on the link point connected where he is at. I also have
developed some friendships with the people that frequent that access
point
(simplex access point, not a repeater one) as well. He is a 30+ year
Extra
class licensee so he CAN operate just about anywhere but only has
2m/70cm
access when he goes there.

In this case it is a very productive use of the system. In this
particular
circumstance we would never be able to communicate if it wasn't for the
system. Other than a little experimentation with it at first, I have
not
used it for much more than to communicate with him though.

You could say the same things if your friend had been using a cell-phone
or
regular telephone, Ryan.

Yeah, that is true, but anyone can do that.


You most especially could say the same things if they had been using ICQ
or
any other form of Internet chat.

You misread the point, the person at the other end in MY specific
circumstance is not on a computer, but a simplex connection. Pretty hard
for me to talk/type to him if he's not connected to the net from a computer,
but from a radio.


The fact that people use Echolink to successfully communicate does not
magically make the Internet connection "ham radio". An important
distinction to keep in mind is that our hobby is not called "Amateur
Communication", where any form of communication will serve but rather
"Amateur Radio", where the focus is solely upon radio communications.


Where the hell did I make that claim that it was ham radio. All I merely
claimed that the only use I saw for it was in the described situation I
presented. Other than that, I don't use it much at all.


The ARRL inadvertently created some confusion about this with thier
"communicator" promotions, a few years back.

And that has a direct tie to Echolink in which regard???


The fact that your friends have decided to slow down and reduce the audio
quality of thier Internet chat by hanging a radio on one end or the other
does not make that Internet communication "Ham Radio"... It just means
that
they are willing to put up with reduced performance in thier chat
activities, in order to have a "ham radio simulator" at one end or the
other.


Again, when the hell did I make the claim that it is "real ham radio?"


In the end, Echolink serves as an excuse not to use radio to communicate
"as
a ham", as in the case with your friends. It also very often serves as an
excuse not to learn more about the hobby and upgrade, as in the case of
the
hundreds, perhaps thousands of hams who instantly dropped plans to
upgrade,
or even to buy a radio upon discovering Echolink. Echolink devotees are
just
brimming over with excuses, but none of those excuses change the fact that
Echolink is an Internet chat, not ham radio.


Again, I never said I was a devotee of the damned thing, you seriously must
have gone off the deep end if you believe and associate all that you have
stated and connecting it with me. Again, I use it about once a month in the
winter months to keep track of my friend, and thats about it.



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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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... --. .... - . .-. ...

Yeah, true. For the most part it is merely an accessory to ham radio, but
not ham radio itself. That pretty much sums up my opinion of it.


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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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... --. .... - . .-. ...


There is always a use for technologies, good and bad. That someone
could keep in touch with a friend via Echolink is a good thing.

Let's hope that the repeater owners can clean tings up.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Caveat Lector wrote:
Au Contraire
Echolink is an Internet chat FOR Amateur Radio Operators
And anything that allows communication between Hams gotta be OK.
Just another communication vehicle
Get over it!

I never use it but can easily understand why it can be of value to others.
And that from a 25 Year extra class ham.
Hey CW, SSB, RTTY, PSK31, Packet, NTS, IRLP, EchoLink, Phone Patch, et al --
communicate communicate is da word.


Of course it is of some use. So is a cell phone, a chat room, voice or
text, or an intercom system.

But that doesn't make any of them "Ham Radio."

And I'm only licensed since 1999.

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:40:57 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:

I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.

That's a fact of life, whether a repeater is linked or not.

Now THAT is the true power of the internet!

What? Kerchunking?


And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.

It should have never been heard on your "local Echolink repeater" had
the control operator pulled the plug on the Echolink. This is a fact
of life when you tie a repeater system into an internet connection.
Increasing the chances of it happening more often than not.

There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.

Sure there is. In your case, a responsible control operator, who
values his/her radio's, and the license attached to the linked
repeater.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:28:29 GMT, Robert Casey
wrote:

Hans K0HB wrote:


If some jerkoff violates the rules on CW do you blame Morse code???



I didn't think that could happen (violating rules on CW). :-)

He's just trying to find a strawman to burn.

Stacey, AA7YA

S. Hanrahan wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:40:57 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:


I'm sitting here listening to our local Echolink repeater.
Someone,apparently in Florida, is Kerchunking our local repeater.


That's a fact of life, whether a repeater is linked or not.


Now THAT is the true power of the internet!


What? Kerchunking?

Yeah, just imagine it. We can kerchunk repeaters all over the world.
Kinda gives me goosebumps to see how far we've come!



And yesterday at lunchtime, I heard some talk that you should never
hear on ham radio. Somone with a funky drunky accent going on about his
favorite parts of another guy's anatomy. Shudderrrr.


It should have never been heard on your "local Echolink repeater" had
the control operator pulled the plug on the Echolink. This is a fact
of life when you tie a repeater system into an internet connection.
Increasing the chances of it happening more often than not.


There just isn't enough control of all the repeaters linked into
Echolink for it to be a viable system.


Sure there is. In your case, a responsible control operator, who
values his/her radio's, and the license attached to the linked
repeater.

Yes, certainly in principle. Turning off the repeater is always the
option. But in reality, a person cannot keep constant monitoring for
miscreants. And if the repeater is open to the world, the person
responsible will have to keep a 24/7 vigil.

When almost everyone is well behaved to begin with, it isn't much of a
problem to begin with.

- Mike KB3EIA

charlesb wrote in message ...
In the end, Echolink serves as an excuse not to use radio to communicate
"as
a ham", as in the case with your friends. It also very often serves as an
excuse not to learn more about the hobby and upgrade, as in the case of the
hundreds, perhaps thousands of hams who instantly dropped plans to upgrade,
or even to buy a radio upon discovering Echolink. Echolink devotees are
just
brimming over with excuses, but none of those excuses change the fact that
Echolink is an Internet chat, not ham radio.


Does posting to "rec.radio.amateur.policy" also serve as an excuse not to
use ham radio to communicate?

Why does talking over the internet provoke howls of protest from hams who
seem to have no problem posting text messages over the internet?

Could it be that you are feeling threatened?

"Craig Davidson" wrote in message
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charlesb wrote in message ...
In the end, Echolink serves as an excuse not to use radio to communicate
"as
a ham", as in the case with your friends. It also very often serves as an
excuse not to learn more about the hobby and upgrade, as in the case of
the
hundreds, perhaps thousands of hams who instantly dropped plans to
upgrade,
or even to buy a radio upon discovering Echolink. Echolink devotees are
just
brimming over with excuses, but none of those excuses change the fact
that
Echolink is an Internet chat, not ham radio.


Does posting to "rec.radio.amateur.policy" also serve as an excuse not to
use ham radio to communicate?

Why does talking over the internet provoke howls of protest from hams who
seem to have no problem posting text messages over the internet?

Could it be that you are feeling threatened?

Bingo! You've got it! Yes, when we post here on the Internet, it has no
effect on our on the air activities - But when some moron uses the Internet
as a substitute for radio *as a part of our on the air activities* then the
hobby is undercut and damaged. Facing this threat, amateurs feel -
threatened !

That was an astute observation you made there, Craig. It is good to see that
you understand the situation, and can point out the problem to others so
clearly.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

or even to buy a radio upon discovering Echolink.
Echolink devotees are

Bingo! You've got it! Yes, when we post here on the
Internet, it has no effect on our on the air activities -
But when some moron uses the Internet as a substitute for
radio *as a part of our on the air activities* then the
hobby is undercut and damaged. Facing this threat, amateurs
feel - threatened !

Something that I can agree with you for once.

Bill