"JJ" wrote in message
...

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

All dipoles are 1/4 wave at some frequency. You just wouldn't want to
use them.

Thanks for proving my point, I never made ANY claims on the performance of
a
1/4 wave dipole. Some said there was no such thing, I simply stated there
is. So you admit the same I stated earlier in the thread, any dipole is a
quarter wave at some frequency.



Ummmmmm, I think they are pretty confused about the issue, JJ. Let 'em be.
;)

Kim W5TIT

"JJ" wrote in message
...

Dwight Stewart wrote in message ...
"WA8ULX" wrote:

Big difference, you know nothing about the subject matter,
your Licenses is nothing more than a FREE WELFARE
HANDOUT, that is given out to the MIND Challenged
people.


So, according to you, every single American who receives a ham license
from this day forward is actually receiving a welfare handout because he
or
she is mind challenged? Hardly, Bruce. The only mind challenged people
around here are those with views similar to yours.


You have to have a mind to be mind challenged, that leaves brucie out.



ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These guys would actually try to answer the
question: So, what is the best antenna?

Kim W5TIT

"WA8ULX" wrote:

Dwight Stewart wrote:
So, according to you, every single American who
receives a ham license from this day forward is
actually receiving a welfare handout because he or
she is mind challenged?

CORRECT


You still need to work on reading comprehension, Bruce. By that response,
you either never intend to receive a ham license again or are admitting to
being mind challenged. Read it again and think about it.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Brian" wrote:
wrote:
So, according to you, every single American who
receives a ham license from this day forward is
actually receiving a welfare handout because he or
she is mind challenged?

CORRECT

Thus, Bruce is mind challenged.

He could have answered the fifth, but he doesn't know
the article of the constitution regarding self-incrimination.


LOL. I wonder what he will say about this when he has to get a new license
after the current one expires.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"JJ" wrote in message
...

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

All dipoles are 1/4 wave at some frequency. You just wouldn't want to
use them.

Thanks for proving my point, I never made ANY claims on the performance
of
a
1/4 wave dipole. Some said there was no such thing, I simply stated
there
is. So you admit the same I stated earlier in the thread, any dipole is
a
quarter wave at some frequency.



Ummmmmm, I think they are pretty confused about the issue, JJ. Let 'em
be.
;)

Kim W5TIT



Another ignorant and irrelevant comment from the Texas Twit.

Dan/W4NTI

"WA8ULX" wrote:

Well thats easy, I will just be renewing an existing License,
BIG difference from the New Welfare Licenses.


Do you get a new license in the mail like most others do?


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Brian" wrote:

Bruice is the welfare idiot of which he speaks.


You won't get any argument about that from me.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

You won't get any argument about that from me.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

And you will never be able to get a Real ham License, just 1 of them there
CBplusser Licenses

Hmmmm -

It's amazing, but I keep hearing these 'sour grapes' attitudes from
the old timers, both on the radio and in the newsgroups.

Fact is, if the Big Government changes the rules, and as a result
somebody gets a licence just like yours without having to jump through
all of the hoops that you did years ago, they still have a licence
that allows them to do the same thing that yours does.

In other words, it's equal. Maybe not in terms of effort, but in all
other respects and for all intents and purposes, equal.

That's a hard pill to swallow, especially if you pride yourself on
passing a 20 WPM code test to get your Extra, and it only takes 5 WPM
now. But, da rules is da rules, and someone who gets their Extra
tomorrow morning with 5 WPM can do exactly what you can do on the air
today. Same privileges, same modes, sames frequencies. Same licence!
And soon, when code is retired, it will be 0 WPM to get in and play.

Fact is, the FCC makes the rules, and you and I follow 'em. Simple as
that. Like it or not, you don't control the process. You live with
it, like everybody else. Time was, an Extra was WAY up there in the
amateur ranks (20 WPM is bloody hard!!) - today, it's simply a ticket
to use a small additional frequency allocation. Nothing more - no big
status thing to lord over everybody else! Still a lot of theory in
the test, but it can be done by memorizing the question bank answers -
I proved that a week ago Friday.

That's just the way it is, Friend - deal with it, or be bitter and
upset - it's your choice! Either way, as long as you're endlessly
debating the issue over here on Usenet, you're off the air - and we're
having a blast QSOing in your absence!

CB Plus - maybe, same as yours, after devaluation!

88's
Eddie - Extra Class Amateur Licence

....5 WPM Extra as of Sept. 12th, 2003 (gotta LOVE that big nickel!)...


On 21 Sep 2003 03:06:09 GMT, (WA8ULX) wrote:

You won't get any argument about that from me.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

And you will never be able to get a Real ham License, just 1 of them there
CBplusser Licenses

"Eddie" wrote:

It's amazing, but I keep hearing these 'sour grapes'
attitudes from the old timers, both on the radio and
in the newsgroups.


Sadly, Bruce (WA8ULX) isn't an old timer - his license is so new the ink
isn't even dry yet. He only tries to act like an old timer (or, at least,
the way he thinks they act). However, most real old timers are a lot more
civilized (the type of people you would be proud to have as a friend or
associate).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Sadly, Bruce (WA8ULX) isn't an old timer - his license is so new the ink
isn't even dry yet. He only tries to act like an old timer (or, at least,
the way he thinks they act). However, most real old timers are a lot more
civilized (the type of people you would be proud to have as a friend or
associate).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Oh is that right, I dont know what you consider and Old Timer, but my first
license goes back to 1966. Which by the way is the same Call I have now. I
think you must be as Dumb as Clint.

"WA8ULX" wrote:

Oh is that right, I dont know what you consider and
Old Timer, but my first license goes back to 1966.
Which by the way is the same Call I have now. I
think you must be as Dumb as Clint.


Oh, my mistake. So you are one of those old timers Eddie was talking
about. It was an honest mistake - your behavior is more like an ill-mannered
teenager than an adult, so I just assumed you were acting your age. Instead,
you're old man acting your mental age.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

So you are one of those old timers Eddie was talking
about.

Eddie doesnt have a Clue, so it doesnt matter what he thinks.

In article , "Kim"
writes:

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These guys would actually try to answer the
question: So, what is the best antenna?

That's easy, Kim.

There is no single "best" antenna. It all depends on the application and the
available resources.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article k.net, "Dwight
Stewart" writes:

Sadly, Bruce (WA8ULX) isn't an old timer - his license is so new the ink
isn't even dry yet.

You're mistaken, Dwight.

According to qrz.com, he's 305 years old.

73 de Jim, N2EY

You're mistaken, Dwight.

According to qrz.com, he's 305 years old.

73 de Jim, N2EY


And dont ever forget it. Im the one who taught Marconi. Last person I have ever
Elmered.

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Kim"
writes:

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These guys would actually try to answer the
question: So, what is the best antenna?

That's easy, Kim.

There is no single "best" antenna. It all depends on the application and
the
available resources.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Shhhhhhhhhh....

Kim W5TIT

"N2EY" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" writes:

Sadly, Bruce (WA8ULX) isn't an old timer - his license is so
new the ink isn't even dry yet.

You're mistaken, Dwight.

According to qrz.com, he's 305 years old.


Good grief. Obviously he can't fill in a qrz.com form any better than he
can write in this newsgroup. Either that or he has no idea when he was
actually born. I can see the story now....

[local news] Police officers found a young lad, covered
in mud, wandering in the swamps of LA yesterday and
took him to an area hospital where doctors said the child
was in reasonably good condition. Police have not been
able to discover the child's itentity... (snip)


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Good grief. Obviously he can't fill in a qrz.com form

CBplusser, you dont fill it in QRZ fills it in.

You can fix this yourself by logging in to QRZ.com and updating your
listing. Your Birthday is one of the parameters that you can are
allowed to change online.

Instructions from the QRZ website:

__________________________________________________ ____

Information that you may update with QRZ:

USA Hams may edit and/or delete: the previous callsign, grid square,
county, lat/lon coordinates, birthday, QSL manager, email address and
home page. All that is required is that you go to our online update
page and provide us with your callsign and a real email address to
which an update key may be sent. This key is yours to keep and can
then be used as often as desired to update your callsign listing. The
email address that you give to receive the key can be different than
the one shown with your callsign (if any).

__________________________________________________ ____

It;s easy - just a couple of keystrokes, and you'll be about 250 years
younger!

73, Leo


Good grief. Obviously he can't fill in a qrz.com form

CBplusser, you dont fill it in QRZ fills it in.

You can fix this yourself by logging in to QRZ.com and updating your
listing.

No I think all leave it that way, I think its rather funny.

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
t...
WA8ULX wrote:

You're mistaken, Dwight.

According to qrz.com, he's 305 years old.

73 de Jim, N2EY



And dont ever forget it. Im the one who taught Marconi. Last person I
have ever
Elmered.

I like Marconi and Cheese!

- Mike KB3EIA -


GROAN! Fifty lashes with a wet noodle for that one.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
t...

WA8ULX wrote:


You're mistaken, Dwight.

According to qrz.com, he's 305 years old.

73 de Jim, N2EY



And dont ever forget it. Im the one who taught Marconi. Last person I

have ever

Elmered.

I like Marconi and Cheese!

- Mike KB3EIA -



GROAN! Fifty lashes with a wet noodle for that one.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Sorry Dee, it's this darn cold and the sudafed!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"WA8ULX" wrote:

you dont fill it in QRZ fills it in.


Go to the QRZ.com web site and choose the option to update your personal
information. There is a form you can fill in with your personal information
(with instructions on how to change the birth date).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

I like Marconi and Cheese!


Mike, you're obviously taking too much cold medicine. Cut back on the
dosage just a LITTLE bit. ;-)


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...

"WA8ULX" wrote:

you dont fill it in QRZ fills it in.


Go to the QRZ.com web site and choose the option to update your personal
information. There is a form you can fill in with your personal

information

(with instructions on how to change the birth date).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/




ROFLMAO!!!! This is hilarious. The usual Extra-class nitwit-type CBPlus
ham telling "us" that we're the ones who don't have any sense or
intelligence and that "we're" dumbed down, while all the while demonstrating
their own ignorance...

Dwight is a Technician, Kim.


- Mike KB3EIA -

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

ROFLMAO!!!! This is hilarious. The usual Extra-class
nitwit-type CBPlus ham telling "us" that we're the ones
who don't have any sense or intelligence and that "we're"
dumbed down, all the while demonstrating their own
ignorance...


Oh, come on, Kim. After passing all those license exams, you can't really
expect Bruce to have any room left in that head to think of anything else.
As it is, he had to forget all he knew for the previous exams to make room
for the information for the later exams. Of course, he also had to forget
all about the later exams to make room to remember his name again. And, as
you can see, with that, there clearly isn't any room left for basic spelling
and grammer.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article , Leo
writes:

You can fix this yourself by logging in to QRZ.com and updating your
listing. Your Birthday is one of the parameters that you can are
allowed to change online.

Where are YOU in the QRZ listing, "Leo?"

Did you "edit" yourself completely out of it?

Kim W5TIT wrote:


Oh good grief. He's ANSWERING the question from Waddles, Mike.

Kim W5TIT



My bad!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ...


Why bother ? I just used my 20 meter dipole, coax fed with 50 ohm cable on
7.030. The SWR was off the scale.

I then hit the tune button on my FT-1000mp and that piece of junk wouldn't
tune it. So I called CQ for a couple of hours. No replies.

I then called my buddy across town to fire up and give me a listen. I was
S1 and almost in the noise.

So, for an experiment, knowing it was just a lark because the Texas Twit
said so, I hooked up my 40 meter half wave, center fed with 50 ohm coax.
My signal was now 30 db over S9.

Can you get the Texas Twit to explain this for me please.

Dan/W4NTI

Just for kicks, I borrowed a tuner from a friend over the weekend. This is a
homebrew job. Hooked it to the 40 meter dipole and loaded the KWM-2 into it
on 80 meters. Made 5 contacts, 3 out of state, all good copy on both ends.
Guess you just don't know how to do it dannyboy.

"JJ" wrote in message
...

Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ...


Why bother ? I just used my 20 meter dipole, coax fed with 50 ohm cable
on
7.030. The SWR was off the scale.

I then hit the tune button on my FT-1000mp and that piece of junk
wouldn't
tune it. So I called CQ for a couple of hours. No replies.

I then called my buddy across town to fire up and give me a listen. I
was
S1 and almost in the noise.

So, for an experiment, knowing it was just a lark because the Texas Twit
said so, I hooked up my 40 meter half wave, center fed with 50 ohm coax.
My signal was now 30 db over S9.

Can you get the Texas Twit to explain this for me please.

Dan/W4NTI

Just for kicks, I borrowed a tuner from a friend over the weekend. This is
a
homebrew job. Hooked it to the 40 meter dipole and loaded the KWM-2 into
it
on 80 meters. Made 5 contacts, 3 out of state, all good copy on both ends.
Guess you just don't know how to do it dannyboy.


Yeah your right 'JJ'. I just don't know how to do it. But then I give a
damn if I get a good report.

Dan/W4NTI

"JJ" wrote in message
...

Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ...


Why bother ? I just used my 20 meter dipole, coax fed with 50 ohm cable
on
7.030. The SWR was off the scale.

I then hit the tune button on my FT-1000mp and that piece of junk
wouldn't
tune it. So I called CQ for a couple of hours. No replies.

I then called my buddy across town to fire up and give me a listen. I
was
S1 and almost in the noise.

So, for an experiment, knowing it was just a lark because the Texas Twit
said so, I hooked up my 40 meter half wave, center fed with 50 ohm coax.
My signal was now 30 db over S9.

Can you get the Texas Twit to explain this for me please.

Dan/W4NTI

Just for kicks, I borrowed a tuner from a friend over the weekend. This is
a
homebrew job. Hooked it to the 40 meter dipole and loaded the KWM-2 into
it
on 80 meters. Made 5 contacts, 3 out of state, all good copy on both ends.
Guess you just don't know how to do it dannyboy.



Works darned great, doesn't it?! Did all my MARS on it, including net
control for nearly a year. So, yer right, apparently the "high" (high all
right) class hams just don't know how to do it!

Kim W5TIT

Works darned great, doesn't it?! Did all my MARS on it, including net
control for nearly a year. So, yer right, apparently the "high" (high all
right) class hams just don't know how to do it!

Kim W5TIT

Spoken like a TRUE Dump Down CBplusser who doesnt have a Clue.

Dick Carroll wrote in message ...



Don't pay them too much attention, Bruce. Neither JJ nor TwIT realizes
they were NOT using a 1/4 wave dipole. If they had been, neither would
have gotten a signal out of the back yard.

If the *antenna system* took a load and performed under the circumstances
they describe, then both JJ and TwIT were loading the outer surface of the
coax shield, and *that* was doing a major part of the radiating.

Of course when one side of a 1/4 wave dipole is attached to the braid
of the coax with no decoupling, then the dipole is no longer a 1/4 wave
dipole! What it becomes then depends entirely on
the feedline length as well as other local factors. So then it will
probably take some load, and maybe even load up to full supplied power,
as JJ described. At that point it's a crap shoot-you don't know *what*
you've got! For sure it ISN'T a 1/4 wave dipole! But the uninformed will
think their "1/4 wave dipole" worked just fine!

If JJ had used a good isolation choke or 1:1 balun to decouple the coax
from the 40 meter dipole at the feedpoint the tuner would have balked big
time, and all that RF would have bounced around inside it, and made
itself known quite loudly in the form of arcs.

The 40 meter dipole does have an HF 1:1 balun at the feedpoint.


The KWM-2 finals might
have sparked a bit, too.

Why? As far as the M-2 was concerned, it was seeing a good match, courtesy
of the tuner (that is one function the tuner performs in case you didn't
know). There was no arcing anywhere...have no idea what the swr was on the
feedline, but that is not the point. The point is, I did get a signal out
and made contacts, all with good readability on both ends. I have never
claimed this would make a good antenna or that one should operate such, just
proved that it can work to some extent. I thought you were smarter than
dannyboy but guess not.

Why? As far as the M-2 was concerned, it was seeing a good match, courtesy
of the tuner (that is one function the tuner performs in case you didn't
know). There was no arcing anywhere...have no idea what the swr was on the
feedline, but that is not the point. The point is, I did get a signal out
and made contacts, all with good readability on both ends. I have never
claimed this would make a good antenna or that one should operate such, just
proved that it can work to some extent. I thought you were smarter than
dannyboy but guess not.


Good example of the NEW CBHAMS. By the way why dont you call it a Rhombic, or
Sterba Curtain, or maybe even QUAD, or A Yagi, heck call it what you want, you
still dont have a CLUE.

JJ wrote:

Dick Carroll wrote in message ...

Don't pay them too much attention, Bruce. Neither JJ nor TwIT realizes
they were NOT using a 1/4 wave dipole. If they had been, neither would
have gotten a signal out of the back yard.

If the *antenna system* took a load and performed under the circumstances
they describe, then both JJ and TwIT were loading the outer surface of the
coax shield, and *that* was doing a major part of the radiating.

Of course when one side of a 1/4 wave dipole is attached to the braid
of the coax with no decoupling, then the dipole is no longer a 1/4 wave
dipole! What it becomes then depends entirely on
the feedline length as well as other local factors. So then it will
probably take some load, and maybe even load up to full supplied power,
as JJ described. At that point it's a crap shoot-you don't know *what*
you've got! For sure it ISN'T a 1/4 wave dipole! But the uninformed will
think their "1/4 wave dipole" worked just fine!

If JJ had used a good isolation choke or 1:1 balun to decouple the coax

from the 40 meter dipole at the feedpoint the tuner would have balked big

time, and all that RF would have bounced around inside it, and made
itself known quite loudly in the form of arcs.


The 40 meter dipole does have an HF 1:1 balun at the feedpoint.



The KWM-2 finals might
have sparked a bit, too.


Why? As far as the M-2 was concerned, it was seeing a good match, courtesy
of the tuner (that is one function the tuner performs in case you didn't
know). There was no arcing anywhere...have no idea what the swr was on the
feedline, but that is not the point. The point is, I did get a signal out
and made contacts, all with good readability on both ends. I have never
claimed this would make a good antenna or that one should operate such, just
proved that it can work to some extent. I thought you were smarter than
dannyboy but guess not.

I'll admit stupidity if you can explain how and why that antenna worked
as a quater wave dipole.

I already presented some fairly comprehensive data on why it wouldn't.
That was pretty basic stuff.

That a quarter wave dipole antenna would work is fairly extraordinary.

Present your evidence and your theory/rationale.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
. ..
JJ wrote:

Dick Carroll wrote in message ...

Don't pay them too much attention, Bruce. Neither JJ nor TwIT realizes
they were NOT using a 1/4 wave dipole. If they had been, neither would
have gotten a signal out of the back yard.

If the *antenna system* took a load and performed under the
circumstances
they describe, then both JJ and TwIT were loading the outer surface of
the
coax shield, and *that* was doing a major part of the radiating.

Of course when one side of a 1/4 wave dipole is attached to the braid
of the coax with no decoupling, then the dipole is no longer a 1/4 wave
dipole! What it becomes then depends entirely on
the feedline length as well as other local factors. So then it will
probably take some load, and maybe even load up to full supplied power,
as JJ described. At that point it's a crap shoot-you don't know *what*
you've got! For sure it ISN'T a 1/4 wave dipole! But the uninformed will
think their "1/4 wave dipole" worked just fine!

If JJ had used a good isolation choke or 1:1 balun to decouple the coax

from the 40 meter dipole at the feedpoint the tuner would have balked
big

time, and all that RF would have bounced around inside it, and made
itself known quite loudly in the form of arcs.


The 40 meter dipole does have an HF 1:1 balun at the feedpoint.



The KWM-2 finals might
have sparked a bit, too.


Why? As far as the M-2 was concerned, it was seeing a good match,
courtesy
of the tuner (that is one function the tuner performs in case you didn't
know). There was no arcing anywhere...have no idea what the swr was on
the
feedline, but that is not the point. The point is, I did get a signal
out
and made contacts, all with good readability on both ends. I have never
claimed this would make a good antenna or that one should operate such,
just
proved that it can work to some extent. I thought you were smarter than
dannyboy but guess not.

I'll admit stupidity if you can explain how and why that antenna worked
as a quater wave dipole.

I already presented some fairly comprehensive data on why it wouldn't.
That was pretty basic stuff.

That a quarter wave dipole antenna would work is fairly extraordinary.

Present your evidence and your theory/rationale.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Probably for the same reason loading up house plumbing will work, or loading
up a coat hanger, or whatever. With a tuner, and with other apparatuses in
use or not, coupling--whatever you want to call it--if a signal gets out, it
gets out and that is all that counts *sometimes.*

Kim W5TIT

Probably for the same reason loading up house plumbing will work, or loading
up a coat hanger, or whatever. With a tuner, and with other apparatuses in
use or not, coupling--whatever you want to call it--if a signal gets out, it
gets out and that is all that counts *sometimes.*

Kim W5TIT

And of course this has no reference to 1/4 Wave dipole

"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
...


WA8ULX wrote:
Works darned great, doesn't it?! Did all my MARS on it, including net
control for nearly a year. So, yer right, apparently the "high" (high
all
right) class hams just don't know how to do it!

Kim W5TIT


Spoken like a TRUE Dump Down CBplusser who doesnt have a Clue.


Don't pay them too much attention, Bruce. Neither JJ nor TwIT realizes
they were NOT using a 1/4 wave dipole. If they had been, neither would
have gotten a signal out of the back yard.

If the *antenna system* took a load and performed under the
circumstances
they describe, then both JJ and TwIT were loading the outer surface of the
coax shield, and *that* was doing a major part of the radiating.

Of course when one side of a 1/4 wave dipole is attached to the braid
of the coax with no decoupling, then the dipole is no longer a 1/4 wave
dipole! What it becomes then depends entirely on
the feedline length as well as other local factors. So then it will
probably take some load, and maybe even load up to full supplied power,
as JJ described. At that point it's a crap shoot-you don't know *what*
you've got! For sure it ISN'T a 1/4 wave dipole! But the uninformed will
think their "1/4 wave dipole" worked just fine!

If JJ had used a good isolation choke or 1:1 balun to decouple the coax
from the 40 meter dipole at the feedpoint the tuner would have balked big
time, and all that RF would have bounced around inside it, and made
itself known quite loudly in the form of arcs. The KWM-2 finals might
have sparked a bit, too.

Been there, done that, seen it happen, got the RF burns.

As I said earlier, they weren't using a 1/4 wave dipole, they just
thought
they were.

All this stuff is in the books.

Dick


I was trying to be 'funny' on my post of using the 20 meter dipole on 40. I
can see that was a waste of time. As is trying to explain antenna theory to
the Texas Twit. Why bother?

Dan/W4NTI

Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

some snippage

I already presented some fairly comprehensive data on why it wouldn't.
That was pretty basic stuff.

That a quarter wave dipole antenna would work is fairly extraordinary.

Present your evidence and your theory/rationale.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Probably for the same reason loading up house plumbing will work, or loading
up a coat hanger, or whatever. With a tuner, and with other apparatuses in
use or not, coupling--whatever you want to call it--if a signal gets out, it
gets out and that is all that counts *sometimes.*

The idea of using a random length of wire or the rain gutter is a time
honored method of making an emergency/stealth or just plain experimental
antenna. Tuners often make these antennas work - some ok, some not so
well. And a large part of the not so good operation is when the tuner
can't match the antenna.

My MFJ949 tuner manual has several lengths that the user is encouraged
to avoid. According to them they are the worst possible line lengths:

160 meter dipole - 130 feet

80 meter dipole - 66 feet

40 meter dipole - 32 feet

If you do the calculations, you'll see what fractional wavelength those
antennas are for the respective bands.

note: if anyone looks up the MFJ info, they will see a few other
frequencies also on the "do not use" list. These are odd multiples of
1/4 wavelength, so I left them out of this discussion. But in general,
its a related problem - odd multiples of 1/4 wave are not so hot to use.

They note that if you have trouble tuning an antenna on a frequency you
want to use, you should shorten or lengthen the antenna by 1/8th
wavelength. Then you should be able to get the tuner to match things up.

- Mike KB3EIA -