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No Parking Test International
Hey clones!
Go to: http://news.yahoo.com/ and follow the technology link to "Car that can park itself put on sale by Toyota". I'd put the actual link in but it's waay too long for a single line on a post. There is no further need to include a parking test in the examination for Drivers licenses. Now that a car can park itself, why should anyone have to learn how to do it. Imagine how much more cellphone time and makeup application time this will give people! - Mike KB3EIA - out! President, NPTI "Dedicated to taking driving into the future" |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Hey clones! Go to: http://news.yahoo.com/ and follow the technology link to "Car that can park itself put on sale by Toyota". I'd put the actual link in but it's waay too long for a single line on a post. There is no further need to include a parking test in the examination for Drivers licenses. Now that a car can park itself, why should anyone have to learn how to do it. Imagine how much more cellphone time and makeup application time this will give people! - Mike KB3EIA - out! President, NPTI "Dedicated to taking driving into the future" Yup you got it. Here in Michigan the driving test is two parts. The first part, which you MUST pass before you can take the actual driving section, is parking manuevers. These consist of pulling up within 2 feet of but not over the line, backing into a parking space like those in shopping centers, and parallel parking. These three manuevers count for 8 points. The parallel parking is 5 of those 8. You can only miss 6 points to pass this section. So if you blow parallel parking and make any mistake at all on the others, you fail. Most new drivers have to take the test a minimum of twice. Three times is more typical. Fail the basically unimportant parking lot maneuvers (these situations can all be avoided in the real world if you want to) and you don't get your license. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE (and parent of a newly licensed driver) |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Hey clones! Go to: http://news.yahoo.com/ and follow the technology link to "Car that can park itself put on sale by Toyota". I'd put the actual link in but it's waay too long for a single line on a post. There is no further need to include a parking test in the examination for Drivers licenses. Now that a car can park itself, why should anyone have to learn how to do it. Imagine how much more cellphone time and makeup application time this will give people! - Mike KB3EIA - out! President, NPTI "Dedicated to taking driving into the future" Yup you got it. Here in Michigan the driving test is two parts. The first part, which you MUST pass before you can take the actual driving section, is parking manuevers. These consist of pulling up within 2 feet of but not over the line, backing into a parking space like those in shopping centers, and parallel parking. These three manuevers count for 8 points. The parallel parking is 5 of those 8. You can only miss 6 points to pass this section. So if you blow parallel parking and make any mistake at all on the others, you fail. Most new drivers have to take the test a minimum of twice. Three times is more typical. Fail the basically unimportant parking lot maneuvers (these situations can all be avoided in the real world if you want to) and you don't get your license. Ahh, you see? You see? This is a terrible travesty, and is really just a hazing ritual. Mind you, NPTI has no objection to a driver actually parallel parking (PP) his or her vehicle, but we think it is an outdated and unecessary thing to have a person actually have to pass a test showing that they can do PP. Now there is a question about the amount of space that is used up by PP. At this time, NPTI respects the right of those that do PP, but if the People who PP fall significantly, we will have to revisit that question. Certainly if enough people do not PP, that space would be better used by other methods of parking. Why anyone should be forced to PP is beyond me. - Mike KB3EIA - President, NPTI "Dedicated to taking driving into the future" |
Larry Roll K3LT wrote: Mike: You and your NPTI are just like all the other NPPTA (No Parallel Parking Test Agenda) whiners. You just want to dumb-down the driving test so that any dummy who is fed up with riding his bicycle can just knock off a simple, multiple-guess written test, then get into a Buick and hit the road just like us Real Drivers(tm). I think that not only should Parallel Parking be a requirement on the road test for a driver's license, but Parallel Parking Proficiency should be demonstrated at a rate of at least 12 Parallel Parkings per hour (pph). After all, if you cannot Parallel Park time after time, in a variety of driving conditions, then you cannot expect to be able to operate a motor vehicle successfully in the typical urban driving environment. I hold a Class B Commercial Driver's License, and to pass my road test, I had to parallel park a 30-foot long bus. I passed my test on the first attempt, with a perfect score. Any driver who can't park at least as well as I can is nothing more than a lazy, unmotivated, dumbed-down whiner who wants the world handed over to him or her on a silver platter, since all they have to do is parallel park a Dodge Neon or something similar. Of course, now that Toyota has eliminated the need for most drivers to parallel park, they'll probably be sending PRM's to the DOT and, with enough whining, will get the Parallel Parking test reduced or eliminated in the next "restructuring" of the driver's test. I'm going to start a new organisation called PHISTS -- Parking Has Important Status To Safety. We will encourage the use of Parallel Parking by sponsoring awards programs for drivers who participate in local parallel parking demonstration events. Attending 100 such events will earn you your PHISTS Century Award. Other awards programs will be announced in the future. As far as I'm concerned, you NPTI/NPPTA whiners can go fly a kite. You will never achieve the status of us Parallel Parking Tested drivers. We're better than you, and we can prove it! You couldn't park a Prius on a football field! 73 de Larry, CDL-B Good one, hang in there Larry. |
Larry Roll K3LT wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Now there is a question about the amount of space that is used up by PP. At this time, NPTI respects the right of those that do PP, but if the People who PP fall significantly, we will have to revisit that question. Certainly if enough people do not PP, that space would be better used by other methods of parking. Why anyone should be forced to PP is beyond me. - Mike KB3EIA - President, NPTI "Dedicated to taking driving into the future" Mike: You and your NPTI are just like all the other NPPTA (No Parallel Parking Test Agenda) whiners. You just want to dumb-down the driving test so that any dummy who is fed up with riding his bicycle can just knock off a simple, multiple-guess written test, then get into a Buick and hit the road just like us Real Drivers(tm). I think that not only should Parallel Parking be a requirement on the road test for a driver's license, but Parallel Parking Proficiency should be demonstrated at a rate of at least 12 Parallel Parkings per hour (pph). After all, if you cannot Parallel Park time after time, in a variety of driving conditions, then you cannot expect to be able to operate a motor vehicle successfully in the typical urban driving environment. I hold a Class B Commercial Driver's License, and to pass my road test, I had to parallel park a 30-foot long bus. I passed my test on the first attempt, with a perfect score. Any driver who can't park at least as well as I can is nothing more than a lazy, unmotivated, dumbed-down whiner who wants the world handed over to him or her on a silver platter, since all they have to do is parallel park a Dodge Neon or something similar. Of course, now that Toyota has eliminated the need for most drivers to parallel park, they'll probably be sending PRM's to the DOT and, with enough whining, will get the Parallel Parking test reduced or eliminated in the next "restructuring" of the driver's test. I'm going to start a new organisation called PHISTS -- Parking Has Important Status To Safety. We will encourage the use of Parallel Parking by sponsoring awards programs for drivers who participate in local parallel parking demonstration events. Attending 100 such events will earn you your PHISTS Century Award. Other awards programs will be announced in the future. As far as I'm concerned, you NPTI/NPPTA whiners can go fly a kite. You will never achieve the status of us Parallel Parking Tested drivers. We're better than you, and we can prove it! You couldn't park a Prius on a football field! HOWWWWLL! Great Ceasers Ghost Larry! I should have opened this one at home! Now everyone wants to know what I am laughing hysterically about, and they are getting to see a grown man cry. Thanks, I needed that! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Thanks, Mike, for a most enjoyable thread. I've needed a good chuckle and
this thread provided it. :) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/03 |
Yup you got it. Here in Michigan the driving test is two parts. The first part, which you MUST pass before you can take the actual driving section, is parking manuevers. These consist of pulling up within 2 feet of but not over the line, backing into a parking space like those in shopping centers, and parallel parking. They don't care specifucally about the ability to park. They just want you to be able to demostrate your ability to handle your car to some level of control. Parking is a safe way to do that, vs say flying thru a tollgate at highway speed... |
"Robert Casey" wrote in message ... Yup you got it. Here in Michigan the driving test is two parts. The first part, which you MUST pass before you can take the actual driving section, is parking manuevers. These consist of pulling up within 2 feet of but not over the line, backing into a parking space like those in shopping centers, and parallel parking. They don't care specifucally about the ability to park. They just want you to be able to demostrate your ability to handle your car to some level of control. Parking is a safe way to do that, vs say flying thru a tollgate at highway speed... Maneuvering at slow speed is an entirely different skill set than that required for typical driving speeds. Both must be practiced and one's ability in parking maneuvers will not give any indication of driving ability on the street and vice versa. This happens to be the first place I've ever been where flunking the parallel parking basically leaves you no leeway (it's worth 5 points and you can only miss 6 altogether on the parking lot maneuvers). I haven't yet formed an opinion on whether this is good or bad. The backing into a parking space seemed an odd requirement, as some places, if you back into the space (in the real world), you can be ticketed. Again haven't decided if this is good or bad. The pulling up to the line seems eminently reasonable though. If they wanted to check your ability before risking their necks on the road with the examinee, it might be better to have them drive around a set of pylons at a more normal speed than the ultra-slow parking maneuvers. Also here in Michigan, the driving tests are no longer administered by the state but by the driving schools. It costs $45 each time you take the test although if you fail, part of that is refunded. The fee is on top of what you already paid to take the Segment I and Segment II driving classes. For those of you not familiar with Michigan, the schools do not have Driver's Ed classes anymore. They simply coordinate a schedule with a driving school. I forget the fee for taking the class ($200 though rings a bell). This is substantially different than it was a few years ago. It's also quite different than the state I grew up in and the state where my older daughter got her license. Anyway, the state made things tougher in an attempt to reduce teen accidents. It's apparently been to short a time to evaluate its effectiveness but preliminary info indicates it may be helping. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
As far as I'm concerned, you NPTI/NPPTA whiners can go fly a kite. You will never achieve the status of us Parallel Parking Tested drivers. We're better than you, and we can prove it! You couldn't park a Prius on a football field! HOWWWWLL! Great Ceasers Ghost Larry! I should have opened this one at home! Now everyone wants to know what I am laughing hysterically about, and they are getting to see a grown man cry. Thanks, I needed that! - Mike KB3EIA - Glad to oblige, Mike! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... Hey, I'll go one further than that. I think they should be tested in the proper procedures for changing a tyre on the highway under severe emergency conditions. You spent too much time in England. When my tire goes flat on the highway, I call for help. It's too dangerous to do this on the side of the road, alone, at night, in the rain (Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my). I couldn't resist! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Larry Roll K3LT wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Mike: You and your NPTI are just like all the other NPPTA (No Parallel Parking Test Agenda) whiners. You just want to dumb-down the driving test so that any dummy who is fed up with riding his bicycle can just knock off a simple, multiple-guess written test, then get into a Buick and hit the road just like us Real Drivers(tm). We have never said anything like that! We support the rest of the testing procedures. Besides, we must be inclusive, and not turn potential drivers away because of basic skills. Mike: Without basic skills like PP, drivers will become mere appliance operators, totally dependent on the technology in their cars to do their parking for them, rather than being able to do it themselves under severe, emergency conditions. PP is a very practical, effective, efficient, and universal way to park an automobile, but we can't make use of this technique unless drivers know how to do it. Only a testing requirement will give them the incentive they need to learn. Wrong, you are wrong! And your trying to repress my beliefs is only a symptom of the great perfidy of the PHISTS conspiracy. Years ago, I operated vehicles 24/7. I have great experience in vehicles, more so than the mighty parkmen, the Gods of driving, who would force theor will on the rest of us! ;^) ;^) ;^) I think that not only should Parallel Parking be a requirement on the road test for a driver's license, but Parallel Parking Proficiency should be demonstrated at a rate of at least 12 Parallel Parkings per hour (pph). After all, if you cannot Parallel Park time after time, in a variety of driving conditions, then you cannot expect to be able to operate a motor vehicle successfully in the typical urban driving environment. Ha! you and your ilk are always trying to keep people off the roads. Hazing ritual is all this is. Ah, stick it in your ear, you NPTI loser! You're just taking driving One Step Closer To Extinction. Next thing you're going to do is paint a big set of boobs on your car, so everyone will be looking at them, instead of noticing the fact that you're double parked in a yellow zone! Anyway, I had to do it, so everyone should! HAH! ;^) What I do with my car is my own business! I hold a Class B Commercial Driver's License, and to pass my road test, I had to parallel park a 30-foot long bus. I passed my test on the first attempt, with a perfect score. Any driver who can't park at least as well as I can is nothing more than a lazy, unmotivated, dumbed-down whiner who wants the world handed over to him or her on a silver platter, since all they have to do is parallel park a Dodge Neon or something similar. Of course, now that Toyota has eliminated the need for most drivers to parallel park, they'll probably be sending PRM's to the DOT and, with enough whining, will get the Parallel Parking test reduced or eliminated in the next "restructuring" of the driver's test. That's what NPTI is working toward. Why should people have to learn an outdated skill like PP? Heck, the next thing you'll want is for people to want to know how to drive a standard transmission or to know how to use buggy whips. All you anachronistic types are just holding driving back. Hey, I'll go one further than that. I think they should be tested in the proper procedures for changing a tyre on the highway under severe emergency conditions. I'm going to start a new organisation called PHISTS -- Parking Has Important Status To Safety. We will encourage the use of Parallel Parking by sponsoring awards programs for drivers who participate in local parallel parking demonstration events. Attending 100 such events will earn you your PHISTS Century Award. Other awards programs will be announced in the future. As far as I'm concerned, you NPTI/NPPTA whiners can go fly a kite. You will never achieve the status of us Parallel Parking Tested drivers. We're better than you, and we can prove it! You couldn't park a Prius on a football field! Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Izzat so??? Yeah, zat's so!!! - Mike KB3EIA - President of NPTI Taking driving into the future You mean, taking driving one step closer to extinction, Loser Putz. Sure, sure, Larragh. The mighty Parkman runs out of arguments, so starts the insults! ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) 73 de Larry, CDL-B President, PHISTS (Parking Has Important Status To Safety) - Mike KB3EIA - President, NPTI Taking Driving into the future |
In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes: "Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... Hey, I'll go one further than that. I think they should be tested in the proper procedures for changing a tyre on the highway under severe emergency conditions. You spent too much time in England. Dee: Which of my behaviours would cause to say that, then? When my tire Is that something tired (i.e. lacking in sleep)? goes flat on the highway, That means you probably have a puncture. I call for help. With your Vodafone mobile, undoubtedly! It's too dangerous to do this on the side of the road, alone, at night, in the rain (Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my). I couldn't resist! No problem. All you have to do is make sure you've pulled safely off the motorway, put out your triangle, then collect the spare, jack, and lever (pronounced "leever") from the car boot. Hopefully your wheel nuts won't be corroded. Then, after replacing the flat tyre with the spare, hopefully you won't be too knackered to continue with your journey! 73 de Larry, K3LT Ex: G0LYW RAF Mildenhall, UK, 1989 - 1991 |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... In article om, "Dee D. Flint" writes: "Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... Hey, I'll go one further than that. I think they should be tested in the proper procedures for changing a tyre on the highway under severe emergency conditions. You spent too much time in England. Dee: Which of my behaviours would cause to say that, then? When my tire Is that something tired (i.e. lacking in sleep)? goes flat on the highway, That means you probably have a puncture. I call for help. With your Vodafone mobile, undoubtedly! It's too dangerous to do this on the side of the road, alone, at night, in the rain (Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my). I couldn't resist! No problem. All you have to do is make sure you've pulled safely off the motorway, put out your triangle, then collect the spare, jack, and lever (pronounced "leever") from the car boot. Hopefully your wheel nuts won't be corroded. Then, after replacing the flat tyre with the spare, hopefully you won't be too knackered to continue with your journey! 73 de Larry, K3LT Ex: G0LYW RAF Mildenhall, UK, 1989 - 1991 At one company I worked for we actually kept a cross-reference sheet of English versus American terms for interpreting some of our customers requirements. So at least I know to have a spanner handy for emergencies like this. Actually today I was pretty "knackered" just coping with the freeway traffic here. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... In article om, "Dee D. Flint" writes: "Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... Hey, I'll go one further than that. I think they should be tested in the proper procedures for changing a tyre on the highway under severe emergency conditions. You spent too much time in England. Dee: Which of my behaviours would cause to say that, then? When my tire Is that something tired (i.e. lacking in sleep)? goes flat on the highway, That means you probably have a puncture. I call for help. With your Vodafone mobile, undoubtedly! It's too dangerous to do this on the side of the road, alone, at night, in the rain (Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my). I couldn't resist! No problem. All you have to do is make sure you've pulled safely off the motorway, put out your triangle, then collect the spare, jack, and lever (pronounced "leever") from the car boot. Hopefully your wheel nuts won't be corroded. Then, after replacing the flat tyre with the spare, hopefully you won't be too knackered to continue with your journey! 73 de Larry, K3LT Ex: G0LYW RAF Mildenhall, UK, 1989 - 1991 At one company I worked for we actually kept a cross-reference sheet of English versus American terms for interpreting some of our customers requirements. So at least I know to have a spanner handy for emergencies like this. Actually today I was pretty "knackered" just coping with the freeway traffic here. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Hey Dee, why not just mimeograph the list of Q-codes and and you would have been perfect copy with whatever nationality you were doing high-finance with. At least that's what the PCTA tries to pass off as the truth. Hi hi! |
And you have my sympathy..... that is a scary proposition now a days,
especially in the Metro area!!!!!!!! Already licensed drivers are insane on the roadways down there in the "flatlands" of Michigan, and add a kid with limited experience, wow! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE (and parent of a newly licensed driver) |
Wow, there's at least one thing we are equal and agree upon Larry!!!!! :) :)
Ryan KC8PMX MI-Chauffers and Emergency Vehicle Permit holder Confirmed Parallel Parker And Proud! As far as I'm concerned, you NPTI/NPPTA whiners can go fly a kite. You will never achieve the status of us Parallel Parking Tested drivers. We're better than you, and we can prove it! You couldn't park a Prius on a football field! 73 de Larry, CDL-B |
Yeah Larry, now with my back injury and the head injury I have now when I
fell out of my chair laughing so hard reading that, and hit my head, I look like a war victim now!!!!!!! :) Great Googely Moogely!!! -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... "Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo writes: As far as I'm concerned, you NPTI/NPPTA whiners can go fly a kite. You will never achieve the status of us Parallel Parking Tested drivers. We're better than you, and we can prove it! You couldn't park a Prius on a football field! HOWWWWLL! Great Ceasers Ghost Larry! I should have opened this one at home! Now everyone wants to know what I am laughing hysterically about, and they are getting to see a grown man cry. Thanks, I needed that! - Mike KB3EIA - Glad to oblige, Mike! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
How many cases are there where you can parallel park anyways, except for in bigger cities?? For all that matter, I can always pay someone to paralell park if I absolutely had to! Ryan KC8PMX Confirmed Parallel Parker and Proud! I had to learn, so do you!!!!!! HAH! more of that hazing attitude! You PP'ers will be the ruination of driving! - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes: Yeah Larry, now with my back injury and the head injury I have now when I fell out of my chair laughing so hard reading that, and hit my head, I look like a war victim now!!!!!!! :) Great Googely Moogely!!! Ryan: My most sincere apologies! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes: Wow, there's at least one thing we are equal and agree upon Larry!!!!! :) :) Ryan KC8PMX MI-Chauffers and Emergency Vehicle Permit holder Confirmed Parallel Parker And Proud! Ryan: As one PP'er to another, it is an honor to know you! It's nice to know that we're morally and intellectually superior to the dumbed-down, unwashed, non-PP'ing hoardes of inferior drivers. Michigan still has "Chauffeur's" licenses? Which class of CDL is that equivalent to? Here in Delaware, I'm told that Emergency Vehicle operators don't require anything more than a standard Class D Driver's license. They do, however, have to be a card-carrying member of the "Emergency Service" (usually a local volunteer FD) to which the emergency vehicle is registered. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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"Brian" wrote in message om... Just relax and enjoy the knowledge that there's another PPer in your midsts. I'd appreciate it if you PP'ers would use the restroom facilities instead of doing it in our midst. Charles Brabham, N5PVL |
charlesb wrote:
"Brian" wrote in message om... Just relax and enjoy the knowledge that there's another PPer in your midsts. I'd appreciate it if you PP'ers would use the restroom facilities instead of doing it in our midst. But PP'ers are so arrogant and superior minded that they think they can PP wherever they want! - Mike KB3EIA - President, No Parallel Parking Test International taking driving into the future |
In article , "charlesb"
writes: I'd appreciate it if you PP'ers would use the restroom facilities instead of doing it in our midst. Charles: Now you've done it! This is sure to elicit yet another classic "ROTFLMAO" from Kim! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Ryan, KC8PMX wrote: How many cases are there where you can parallel park anyways, except for in bigger cities?? For all that matter, I can always pay someone to paralell park if I absolutely had to! True.... I can pay Sprint to provide my cell service too.... Or a different angle, if you have a "monster truck" type of pickup, to hell with parallel parking, just drive over/onto etc. your parking spot! HI HI Ryan KC8PMX Confirmed Parallel Parker and Proud! I had to learn, so do you!!!!!! HAH! more of that hazing attitude! You PP'ers will be the ruination of driving! Hey... I had to learn it.... Ryan - Mike KB3EIA - |
Larry,
The heck with those anti-parallel parkers!!!!! Tell him that if he isn't a Real Driver (tm), he is inferior. HI HI -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... Brian: I'm very sorry about your inferiority complex, but I was just asking for some information from Ryan about driver's licenses. This is not about my "superiority" or anything else that you should be whining about -- unless you are having problems of your own. Care to talk about it? 73 de Larry, K3LT |
Ummmm, we are still talking about parallel parking when referring to PP eh?
:) -- Ryan, KC8PMX But PP'ers are so arrogant and superior minded that they think they can PP wherever they want! - Mike KB3EIA - President, No Parallel Parking Test International taking driving into the future |
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes: As one PP'er to another, it is an honor to know you! It's nice to know that we're morally and intellectually superior to the dumbed-down, unwashed, non-PP'ing hoardes of inferior drivers. Should we form an official club, pay some dues, wear a ton of patches/buttons etc.?? lol Ryan: All of the above! I propose that we also have Parallel Parking contests and sponsor awards programs. A person who PP's 100 times would get the basic Century Award; then 500 PP's would qualify you for the Silver PP Award, then Gold, then Platinum, then Diamond, etc. etc. Naturally, we'll have the official club with dues, a Board of Directors, Officers, Executive Committee meetings, a web site, and an entire range of Official PP Club Men's and Ladie's wear. Michigan still has "Chauffeur's" licenses? Which class of CDL is that equivalent to? Here in Delaware, I'm told that Emergency Vehicle operators don't require anything more than a standard Class D Driver's license. They do, however, have to be a card-carrying member of the "Emergency Service" (usually a local volunteer FD) to which the emergency vehicle is registered. The MI Chauffers is one step down from the National CDL thingy as I believe if I remember correctly it allows you to drive any vehicle 25,999Lbs and under, as well as tow any trailer under that same weight. For passenger vehicles, up to 15, otherwise that would require the CDL-C if memory serves correctly. It also is the same license that covers a "driver for hire" from anything from a pizza or other delivery person, limo driver etc. I had a CDL a while back but have not elected to get it again. Michigan has a specific class, which entails a 6 hour classroom instruction, a skills driving course (1-2 hours depending on the course, instructor etc.) and 8 hours driving with your chief to qualify for the permit. As long as you pass the requirements for this, you can drive emergency vehicles under emergency and non-emergency official department business within the state of Michigan. Exception would be if you are transporting the vehicle across state lines such as if your department were buying a used pumper from another department in a different state, that would require a CDL license....... OK, that's pretty much what I expected. I was just surprised to hear the term "Chauffeur's License" used again! Thanks for the info. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
My apologies, I will grab a membership and initiation info from from Larry
and get ya sponsered in! Ryan, KC8PMX Parallel Parker and Proud To heck with me??? I'm a parallel parker from way back. |
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