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(N2EY) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: " wasn't you? Why do you ask? Because you told us that you hadn't used any other screen names "in here" besides that long list of AOL ones. I haven't been able to use Mog-Ur's EMS BBS in years... 7, to be exact. Tom closed it down after being one of the first 10 BBSs in the USA. He had Internet access for about a year until it got too expensive and subscribers left to go directly on the Internet. Tom Tcimpdis (easy Greek surname, just pronounce it like it is written), KC6MLR, television video director, twice won Emmys for outstanding technical direction ("Night Court" series, "Sinatra, the Man and His Music" special). Built his own BBS to start with years and years ago from a Heath H8 microcomputer, had to write his own software to get it going as a Bulletin Board System. Had a fairly good side business of custom personal computer systems, may still do that. Private pilot, multi-engine rated, a road rally sportsman from way back. You can see his picture on QRZ.com...:-) Quaffed a few with Tom at the 94th Aerosquadron Restaurant at Van Nuys Airport, a regular hang-out for several San Fernando Valley BBS members of the 80s and 90s. Is there a point to all this besides your trying to avoid the fact that you forgot yet another screen name you used in rrap? You are manufacturing a non-issue which has nothing to do with any sort of radio subject. "Mog-Ur" is a character name taken from the novel "Clan of the Cave Bear." Actually, it's a title. The character's name is Creb. "The Mog-Ur" is a title/function he performed in the Clan. Irrelevant. Petty literary details. "EMS" is an acronym for Electronic Message System, in use in computer-modem communications before EMS for Emergency Medical Service became standards.. "Mog-Ur's" survives on the Internet today after more than 20 years of existance. Is there *any* relevance to all your verbiage? Someone asks you the time, and you give them directions to Boulder and a long diatribe on the development of the various atomic standards there. Tom Tcimpidis has an amateur radio license and is listed in QRZ with his famous/infamous "at the controls of a 727" picture. Details of NIST time-frequency activities are available from their own web site. If you need directions to Boulder, CO, there are several map and direction services available on the Internet. supposed to know that all of them are one and the same person - if, indeed, they are? Particularly when your name does not appear anywhere in many of them? Tsk, tsk, tsk, still trying to manufacture a "dispute" based on your personal irritation. You are perfectly free to question AOL Member Services directly if you are so disturbed over "identities." YOU are a subscriber there. YOUR screen name does not identify you by legal name.. Why should they believe you when you say you have not posted by other names, when it has been shown that your list of screen names left out at least two that you have used? Why should anyone believe that you are real? :-) Your manufactured "dispute" is becoming absurd. an independent amateur radio interest periodical (50,000 issues a month) lasted for TWENTY TWO YEARS solely on the basis of advertising space sales. That's not correct. No? :-) The magazine subscriptions cost money, so they did not exist "solely on the basis of advertising space sales" If the subscription/newstand price was $20 per year and there were 50,000 subscribers/newstand buyers per month, that's a *million dollars* of revenue from subscriptions. Back when $1,000,000 was a lot of money. Existed ""solely on the basis of advertising space sales"? I think not! Were that true, the subscriptions would have been free. Like most industry magazines. Also, I seriously doubt that the mag was 50,000 copies/month for the entire 22 years. If you wish to demand an accounting or an investigation of Publishers' Sworn Statements, then you've gone slightly bonkers in pique. :-) Subscription fees (periodicals usually call them "fulfillment" fees) only cover the mailing costs and distribution services' various charges. That is a "break-even" situation where the periodical has no real income. Profit for a periodical comes from advertising space sales in all of the "independents" (those not affiliated with membership organizations). That is true for 73, CQ, Popular Communications, et al. The more ad space sold, the more the profit for the periodical's business. There's no other profit for periodicals, not even when they run a sideline business such as HR did with their Ham Radio Bookstore. The ad space for the Bookstore could have been used by other advertisers. QST is a membership magazine of the ARRL. As such, the amount of profit or loss from QST advertising space sales can be handled by the parent organization. QST gains slightly by having the easily-identifiable demographics of the number of members (see their page for the latest numbers). Publisher Skip Tenney finally sold it to CQ Communications and probably retired. Founding Editor in Chief Jim Fisk (SK, ex-W1HR) wasn't around to help keep up the interest of the readers of a technically-oriented magazine. IOW, it ultimately failed in the marketplace. Too bad - it was a good mag in its time. Why do you say "good?" All you've done so far in this manufactured dispute is to charge a technologically-oriented amateur publication with fraud or misrepresentation. You know little about basic organizations and budgets of periodicals yet claim some "expertise" sufficient to engage in manufactured "disputes." :-) A complete set of QST is also available on CD. Every issue, all the way back to December 1915. Almost four times as long as "ham radio" I'm sure. ARRL was founded in 1914. Why do YOU live in that past so much? :-) QST is still being published - the oldest still-published radio magazine in the world. Are you absolutely CERTAIN of that? :-) Can QST survive as an independent periodical, solely on the profit of ad space sales? We will never know because QST was never an independent. I've written for QST. BFD. You haven't. Absolutely true. What was your staff title at QST? That would be listed on their masthead every issue... :-) But you're not the moderator here. Neither are you, Mistah Kopp. I have this nice card punch at the ready. Just hand me your "TS card" and I will punch it for you...:-) Sounds like another threat. Can you not resolve differences peaceably? Tsk, tsk, tsk, Rev. Jimmie doesn't know about chaplains' "TS" cards? :-) Ah yes, Rev. Jimmie wasn't in any military service of the United States. I shall ask forgiveness of using familiar military service humor terms. Would 50 Hail Hirams be enough penance for that? Would a side of theses nailed to a church door be too much? :-) [Marty, you should have seen these guys...:-) ] LHA |
Really?? Which month/year were they published?? Would be interested in
reading them. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... I've written for QST. You haven't. |
Got your email Jim, and thanks! I will check those out.
Ryan "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... Really?? Which month/year were they published?? Would be interested in reading them. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. .. --. .... - . .-. ... I've written for QST. You haven't. |
"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ...
Got your email Jim, and thanks! I will check those out. Also see the top of page 62 in QST for June, 1989. Although I did not write it, there is a mention of me that is a bit out of the ordinary.... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: But what's really relevant is what a person has done in amateur radio. I've been an active, licensed radio amateur for almost 36 years - operating, building stations, writing articles, elmering, etc. You wrote a few basic articles for a now-defunct amateur radio periodical and have never held any class of amateur radio license. Oooooo...! Was that supposed to "hurt" big fella? :-) Does the truth hurt you, Len? I got a COMMERCIAL Radiotelephone license in 1956 (only one test needed) and had a career in radio-electronics design since then. You will no doubt have to say such is "irrelevant" for lots of reasons. Not at all. Please explain how that license and career have any relevance to amateur radio policy. Particularly since you have never held any class of amateur radio license. You don't want to admit your occupation's firm name or what it does, Because it's not relevant. And because I know you'll simply make fun of it. so you try to denigrate all those who aren't afraid of naming where they worked or where they worked or what they did at work in detail. Who do I "denigrate", Len? It's a plain and simple fact that no matter who my employers are/were, you'd make fun of my job if you knew what it was. Your behavior towards others here who disagree with you is clear proof of that. You want to diminish the efforts of Ham Radio Magazine founders Skip Tenney and Jim Fisk and their TWENTY TWO YEARS of successful, INDEPENDENT newsstand publications. Where do I diminish their efforts, Len? They had a good mag but it ceased publication more than a decade ago. It's defunct. Why? Why do you get so upset over the word "defunct"? Tenney is a radio amateur. Fisk is deceased and his old call (W1HR) is now used by a club in Jim Fisk's honor. You keep wanting to say HR is "defunct" as if that is somehow unclean. How is "defunct" unclean? You weren't published in HR, So? You weren't published in QST. You got as far as "Electric Radio," a non-newsstand periodical for a special interest group in old radio. Also QST. Did you ever write for Electronics magazine (McGraw-Hill's old biweekly)? I did. Did you ever write for BYTE? I did. I've written for Microcomputing and Call-A.P.P.L.E. about more avoactional and recreational activities concerning electronics. Aren't all those magazines also defunct? I haven't seen a copy of any of them in years. You live in the past too much, Len. |
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: " wasn't you? Why do you ask? Because you told us that you hadn't used any other screen names "in here" besides that long list of AOL ones. I haven't been able to use Mog-Ur's EMS BBS in years... 7, to be exact. Tom closed it down after being one of the first 10 BBSs in the USA. He had Internet access for about a year until it got too expensive and subscribers left to go directly on the Internet. Tom Tcimpdis (easy Greek surname, just pronounce it like it is written), KC6MLR, television video director, twice won Emmys for outstanding technical direction ("Night Court" series, "Sinatra, the Man and His Music" special). Built his own BBS to start with years and years ago from a Heath H8 microcomputer, had to write his own software to get it going as a Bulletin Board System. Had a fairly good side business of custom personal computer systems, may still do that. Private pilot, multi-engine rated, a road rally sportsman from way back. You can see his picture on QRZ.com...:-) Quaffed a few with Tom at the 94th Aerosquadron Restaurant at Van Nuys Airport, a regular hang-out for several San Fernando Valley BBS members of the 80s and 90s. Is there a point to all this besides your trying to avoid the fact that you forgot yet another screen name you used in rrap? You are manufacturing a non-issue which has nothing to do with any sort of radio subject. So? You go far afield from any radio subject whenever you feel like it. "Mog-Ur" is a character name taken from the novel "Clan of the Cave Bear." Actually, it's a title. The character's name is Creb. "The Mog-Ur" is a title/function he performed in the Clan. Irrelevant. Petty literary details. It's as relevant as the "94th Aero Squadron" "EMS" is an acronym for Electronic Message System, in use in computer-modem communications before EMS for Emergency Medical Service became standards.. "Mog-Ur's" survives on the Internet today after more than 20 years of existance. Is there *any* relevance to all your verbiage? Someone asks you the time, and you give them directions to Boulder and a long diatribe on the development of the various atomic standards there. Tom Tcimpidis has an amateur radio license and is listed in QRZ with his famous/infamous "at the controls of a 727" picture. Yeah, he's a Novice. Which makes him far more experienced as a radio amateur than you, Len. Details of NIST time-frequency activities are available from their own web site. If you need directions to Boulder, CO, there are several map and direction services available on the Internet. Don't need 'em. I was there - at both the NIST site in Boulder and the WWV/WWVB transmitter site in Fort Collins. Found 'em both without website help. Got some good pictures of the then-current "atomic clock" and the trnasmitter site antennas. And a picture of myself standing next to the sign at the transmitter site. They're in the album with the pictures of my visit to ARRL Hq where I met a few of the staff and operated W1AW. supposed to know that all of them are one and the same person - if, indeed, they are? Particularly when your name does not appear anywhere in many of them? Tsk, tsk, tsk, still trying to manufacture a "dispute" based on your personal irritation. No irritation on my part at all, Len. I'm just pointing out some facts. You are perfectly free to question AOL Member Services directly if you are so disturbed over "identities." YOU are a subscriber there. YOUR screen name does not identify you by legal name.. So? Anyone who knows anyhting about amateur radio recognizes "N2EY" as an amateur radio callsign, which is actually more unique than a legal name. There are lots of people with your name, and there may be others with my name. But there is only one person assigned the amateur radio callsign N2EY. And that's me. Oh wait, you don't have an amateur radio callsign... Why should they believe you when you say you have not posted by other names, when it has been shown that your list of screen names left out at least two that you have used? Why should anyone believe that you are real? :-) Because I am. If you operated on the amateur bands you might know that. Oh wait, you've never been an amateur radio operator.... Your manufactured "dispute" is becoming absurd. It's about your credibility in here, Len. Or lack thereof. an independent amateur radio interest periodical (50,000 issues a month) lasted for TWENTY TWO YEARS solely on the basis of advertising space sales. That's not correct. No? :-) No. ;-) ;-) ;-) The magazine subscriptions cost money, so they did not exist "solely on the basis of advertising space sales" If the subscription/newstand price was $20 per year and there were 50,000 subscribers/newstand buyers per month, that's a *million dollars* of revenue from subscriptions. Back when $1,000,000 was a lot of money. Existed ""solely on the basis of advertising space sales"? I think not! Were that true, the subscriptions would have been free. Like most industry magazines. Also, I seriously doubt that the mag was 50,000 copies/month for the entire 22 years. If you wish to demand an accounting or an investigation of Publishers' Sworn Statements, then you've gone slightly bonkers in pique. :-) Subscription fees (periodicals usually call them "fulfillment" fees) only cover the mailing costs and distribution services' various charges. That is a "break-even" situation where the periodical has no real income. Nonsense. It all benefits the bottom line. You said the mag existed "solely on the basis of advertising space sales". Not profited - existed. Profit for a periodical comes from advertising space sales in all of the "independents" (those not affiliated with membership organizations). That is true for 73, CQ, Popular Communications, et al. The more ad space sold, the more the profit for the periodical's business. Then why aren't those magazines free? All income benefits the bottom line, whatever it's called or wherever it comes from. You said the mag existed "solely on the basis of advertising space sales". Not profited - existed. That's simply not true. There's no other profit for periodicals, not even when they run a sideline business such as HR did with their Ham Radio Bookstore. The ad space for the Bookstore could have been used by other advertisers. Doesn't matter. QST is a membership magazine of the ARRL. As such, the amount of profit or loss from QST advertising space sales can be handled by the parent organization. So? QST gains slightly by having the easily-identifiable demographics of the number of members (see their page for the latest numbers). They also lose by having to run the organization, which does things far beyond putting out a magazine. Publisher Skip Tenney finally sold it to CQ Communications and probably retired. Founding Editor in Chief Jim Fisk (SK, ex-W1HR) wasn't around to help keep up the interest of the readers of a technically-oriented magazine. IOW, it ultimately failed in the marketplace. Too bad - it was a good mag in its time. Why do you say "good?" It had some good articles in its time. All you've done so far in this manufactured dispute is to charge a technologically-oriented amateur publication with fraud or misrepresentation. Where? What charges? You're the only one who has charged a publisher of "fraud". You are not the publisher of "ham radio" magazine, and never were. You know little about basic organizations and budgets of periodicals yet claim some "expertise" sufficient to engage in manufactured "disputes." :-) You're trying to avoid a basic acciunting issue. A complete set of QST is also available on CD. Every issue, all the way back to December 1915. Almost four times as long as "ham radio" I'm sure. ARRL was founded in 1914. And the first issue of QST was December 1915. Why do YOU live in that past so much? :-) I don't - you do, recalling a magazine defunct for over a decade, lilitary radio experiences of a half century ago, employers you have not worked for in decades, etc. Oh wait, you don't have an amateur radio callsign, have never been a radio amateur.... QST is still being published - the oldest still-published radio magazine in the world. Are you absolutely CERTAIN of that? :-) Yep. I've written for QST. BFD. What do you mean by "BFD", Len? Spell it out for us. You haven't. Absolutely true. Finally, something factual from you. But you're not the moderator here. Neither are you, Mistah Kopp. Never claimed to be. You try to be one, though. I have this nice card punch at the ready. Just hand me your "TS card" and I will punch it for you...:-) Sounds like another threat. Can you not resolve differences peaceably? Tsk, tsk, tsk, Rev. Jimmie doesn't know about chaplains' "TS" cards? :-) More than you think. Ah yes, Rev. Jimmie wasn't in any military service of the United States. And you are not, and have never been, a radio amateur. Yet you lecture us endlessly on the subject. |
Got it. I have noticed a few others that are posters here in QST as well.
Ryan KC8PMX "N2EY" wrote in message om... "Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message ... Got your email Jim, and thanks! I will check those out. Also see the top of page 62 in QST for June, 1989. Although I did not write it, there is a mention of me that is a bit out of the ordinary.... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote:
(Len Over 21) writes: (snip) I got a COMMERCIAL Radiotelephone license in 1956 (only one test needed) and had a career in radio- electronics design since then. You will no doubt have to say such is "irrelevant" for lots of reasons. Not at all. Please explain how that license and career have any relevance to amateur radio policy. Particularly since you have never held any class of amateur radio license. Since anybody in this country can discuss amateur radio policy (license policy or whatever), I do think a person's communications knowledge and experience elsewhere is at least somewhat relevant to that person's part in that discussion. Why would you think otherwise, Jim? Len is obviously interested in Amateur Radio, which is good. The only thing I don't understand is why he hasn't acted on that interest and gotten some kind of Amateur Radio license over the years. Since VHF and above is one focus of commercial communications today, one would think the Technician license would have at least some appeal to him. This glaring, long term, lack of committment to Amateur Radio is what brings his ongoing participation in this discussion under suspicion. You don't want to admit your occupation's firm name or what it does, Because it's not relevant. (snip) This position is equally valid. While a person's communications knowledge and experience elsewhere is somewhat relevant (if that person chooses to make it so), communications knowledge and experience elsewhere is obviously not manditory for participation in this discussion, especially for the person holding an Amateur Radio license which will be directly impacted by the outcome of this discussion. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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