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IARU Says "Remove Code"
IARU Says "Remove Code", (Excerpted from the ARRL Letter)
"The focus was on the future when the International Amateur Radio Union Administrative Council met September 6-7 in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the aftermath of WRC-03, the council urged IARU member-societies to call to the attention of their administrations "the desirability of adopting specific changes in their domestic regulations for the amateur and amateur-satellite services, so that they will be consistent with the revised Article 25 of the international Radio Regulations." In that vein, the IARU governing body called for the removal of Morse code as an examination requirement to operate on HF. The council reiterated its stance first taken in 2001 that Morse code proficiency "as a qualifying criterion for an HF amateur license is no longer relevant to the healthy future of amateur Radio." "IARU policy is to support the removal of Morse code testing as a requirement for an amateur license to operate on frequencies below 30 MHz," the IARU Administrative Council resolved. ***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. Carl - wk3c |
I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. Carl - wk3c hmmm, yes, but the PCTA's won't see it as being noteworthy or deserving of consideration. They'll dismiss it, say THAT body of people is ignorant and just doesn't know what's right.... "You fools! Don't you know that by living in the past we are best prepared to meet the challenges and demands of the future?!?!?!?!" Clint KB5ZHT |
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ... Carl R. Stevenson wrote: IARU Says "Remove Code", (Excerpted from the ARRL Letter) "The focus was on the future when the International Amateur Radio Union Administrative Council met September 6-7 in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the aftermath of WRC-03, the council urged IARU member-societies to call to the attention of their administrations "the desirability of adopting specific changes in their domestic regulations for the amateur and amateur-satellite services, so that they will be consistent with the revised Article 25 of the international Radio Regulations." In that vein, the IARU governing body called for the removal of Morse code as an examination requirement to operate on HF. The council reiterated its stance first taken in 2001 that Morse code proficiency "as a qualifying criterion for an HF amateur license is no longer relevant to the healthy future of amateur Radio." "IARU policy is to support the removal of Morse code testing as a requirement for an amateur license to operate on frequencies below 30 MHz," the IARU Administrative Council resolved. ***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. You made the same error of interpretation that your buddy Bill Sohl did. Nowhere within that document does it say they want to remove all code testing. Your persistence is either spinning this or mis-interpreting it yourself is mind-boggling. To begin with, it's not even the IARU talking, it's the ARRL; "(Excerpted from the ARRL Letter)" Here's what IARU says _themselves_: http://www.iaru.org/rel030912.html "3. The Council revised an existing Resolution concerning the Morse code in the light of the WRC-03 decision to leave to each administration the question of whether or not to require a demonstration of Morse skill to operate below 30 MHz. Under the revised Resolution, IARU policy is to support the removal of Morse code testing requirements." No weasel words there. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 9/18/2003 |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote
***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. Carl - wk3c Carl, As you know, I do not support continuing the Morse exam. Other well meaning people disagree with me and I respect their disagreement. It is a puzzle to me why you continue to make a point of "rubbing peoples nose in it". Perhaps "well meaning" doesn't apply in your case. Hans -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
Dick Carroll; wrote in message ... You made the same error of interpretation that your buddy Bill Sohl did. Nowhere within that document does it say they want to remove all code testing. If FCC should allow a single category of HF license to be issued and retain code testing for all others, that would satisfy that blurb. Sorry, that's the way it is. Some also seem to miss the fact that nowhere does it say that the FCC *must* eleminate code testing for any class of license. It is only that the IARU "supports the removal of Morse code testing", it does not state it must be removed. |
In article , "Clint" rattlehead at
computron dot net writes: "You fools! Don't you know that by living in the past we are best prepared to meet the challenges and demands of the future?!?!?!?!" Clint KB5ZHT Well, Clint, you said it, not me! I'm glad you're starting to see the light! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: IARU Says "Remove Code", (Excerpted from the ARRL Letter) "The focus was on the future when the International Amateur Radio Union Administrative Council met September 6-7 in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In the aftermath of WRC-03, the council urged IARU member-societies to call to the attention of their administrations "the desirability of adopting specific changes in their domestic regulations for the amateur and amateur-satellite services, so that they will be consistent with the revised Article 25 of the international Radio Regulations." In that vein, the IARU governing body called for the removal of Morse code as an examination requirement to operate on HF. The council reiterated its stance first taken in 2001 that Morse code proficiency "as a qualifying criterion for an HF amateur license is no longer relevant to the healthy future of amateur Radio." "IARU policy is to support the removal of Morse code testing as a requirement for an amateur license to operate on frequencies below 30 MHz," the IARU Administrative Council resolved. ***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. You made the same error of interpretation that your buddy Bill Sohl did. Nowhere within that document does it say they want to remove all code testing. If FCC should allow a single category of HF license to be issued and retain code testing for all others, that would satisfy that blurb. Sorry, that's the way it is. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! LHA |
It is a puzzle to me why you continue to make a point of "rubbing
peoples nose in it". Perhaps "well meaning" doesn't apply in your case. Hans Carl hates CW so much, because he figures his CW, not lack of motavation over the years, had kept him out of HF. |
Hans Kohb wrote:
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote ***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. Carl - wk3c Carl, As you know, I do not support continuing the Morse exam. Other well meaning people disagree with me and I respect their disagreement. It is a puzzle to me why you continue to make a point of "rubbing peoples nose in it". Perhaps "well meaning" doesn't apply in your case. At least I'm not the only person who thinks tthat he is doing that. Carl apparently LIKES to rub our noses in it. Carl is perhaps the poorest "winner" I've ever seen. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: Hans Kohb wrote: "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote ***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. Carl - wk3c Carl, As you know, I do not support continuing the Morse exam. Other well meaning people disagree with me and I respect their disagreement. It is a puzzle to me why you continue to make a point of "rubbing peoples nose in it". Perhaps "well meaning" doesn't apply in your case. At least I'm not the only person who thinks tthat he is doing that. Carl apparently LIKES to rub our noses in it. Carl is perhaps the poorest "winner" I've ever seen. Well then, I'll just put YOU down as one of the sorriest LOSERS in the code test issue! Your ancestors wouldn't like to see you that way, would they? LHA |
Some also seem to miss the fact that nowhere does it say that the FCC *must* eleminate code testing for any class of license. It is only that the IARU "supports the removal of Morse code testing", it does not state it must be removed. correct. But it does at least show proof of another organization that no longer unilaterally and unquestioningly supports it's continued testing, and also takes away from the argument that the 5wmp test needs to be perpetuated to meet internationaly law. Oh, and at least YOU acknowledge that they said "supports the removal"... your fellow PCTA type Dick Carroll somehow just can't read that. Clint KB5ZHT |
I notice a *lot* of spin from the ham radio press in the direction of removing code testing that isn't supported in the documentation of WRC and others. Wonder what their agenda might be? (heh ) quoting documentation and official paperwork/letters is fact, not spin. what SPIN includes is reading that documentation that was quoted and saying that the international organization does NOT support it's removal, when, um, it *does*. Clint KB5ZHT |
It is a puzzle to me why you continue to make a point of "rubbing peoples nose in it". Perhaps "well meaning" doesn't apply in your case. Hans perhaps you are confusing "rubbing peoples nose in it" with "haveing a strong desire not to allow an inaccurate spin be placed upon the topic", as well as "not wanting a misrepresentation of the facts to go without a balancing, differing opinion". Clint KB5ZHT |
"Hans Kohb" wrote in message news:d637413962fc29c05122efcd088c4126.128005@mygat e.mailgate.org... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote ***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. Carl - wk3c Carl, As you know, I do not support continuing the Morse exam. Other well meaning people disagree with me and I respect their disagreement. It is a puzzle to me why you continue to make a point of "rubbing peoples nose in it". Perhaps "well meaning" doesn't apply in your case. Hans Hans, I simply stated that I "love that paragraph ... etc." ... indicating that I'm pleased with the IARU Administrative Council's policy decision. That is simply a fact (the expression that I'm glad the IARU is becoming more progressive). If you *choose* to interpret that as "rubbing peoples' noses in it" I can't help that. Carl - wk3c |
Well, Clint, you said it, not me! I'm glad you're starting to see the light! 73 de Larry, K3LT I, I see your point. I will be the absolute BEST driver of a modern internal combustion engine- driven automobile if I first take a blacksmith's apprenticeship and learn to shoe a horse. Yes. Quite logical. Clint KB5ZHT |
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:57:16 +0000 (UTC), "Hans Kohb"
wrote: "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote ***** I particularly love that last paragraph .. they're finally moving from the past into, at least, the present. Carl - wk3c Carl, As you know, I do not support continuing the Morse exam. Other well meaning people disagree with me and I respect their disagreement. It is a puzzle to me why you continue to make a point of "rubbing peoples nose in it". Perhaps "well meaning" doesn't apply in your case. Hans No...something along these lines would be "rubbing peoples nose in it." BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
I will be the absolute BEST driver of a modern internal combustion engine- driven automobile if I first take a blacksmith's apprenticeship and learn to shoe a horse. Correct again Clint. The better you are at that will make you much better at changing a tire. LOL now THERE'S a stretch. Clint KB5ZHT |
In article , "Clint" rattlehead at
computron dot net writes: Well, Clint, you said it, not me! I'm glad you're starting to see the light! 73 de Larry, K3LT I, I see your point. I will be the absolute BEST driver of a modern internal combustion engine- driven automobile if I first take a blacksmith's apprenticeship and learn to shoe a horse. Yes. Quite logical. Clint KB5ZHT Well, Clint, that kind of cynicism may seem to be amusing to some, but just goes to demonstrate a lack of any truly logical argument which supports your position. Therefore, it, and you, are easily dismissed. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
Larry Roll K3LT wrote:
In article , "Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net writes: Well, Clint, you said it, not me! I'm glad you're starting to see the light! 73 de Larry, K3LT I, I see your point. I will be the absolute BEST driver of a modern internal combustion engine- driven automobile if I first take a blacksmith's apprenticeship and learn to shoe a horse. Yes. Quite logical. Clint KB5ZHT Well, Clint, that kind of cynicism may seem to be amusing to some, but just goes to demonstrate a lack of any truly logical argument which supports your position. Therefore, it, and you, are easily dismissed. I don't know about you, Larry, but I like to know a lot about everything I do. That goes for cars, amateur radio, computers, housework, history, or whatever. I suspect you feel at least somewhat this way too. Strange that there is a whole culture built up that celebrates ignorance. That's why if my car breaks down on the road, I stand a good chance of getting it running again, why I know it isn't likely the F.C.C. won't test me on the design of a 1/4 wave dipole, and why I knew that there wasn't any special callsigns for non-coded amateurs. Not that I don't make mistakes, but I don't come into newsgroups acting as if I know everything either! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Larry Roll K3LT wrote: In article , "Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net writes: Well, Clint, you said it, not me! I'm glad you're starting to see the light! 73 de Larry, K3LT I, I see your point. I will be the absolute BEST driver of a modern internal combustion engine- driven automobile if I first take a blacksmith's apprenticeship and learn to shoe a horse. Yes. Quite logical. Clint KB5ZHT Well, Clint, that kind of cynicism may seem to be amusing to some, but just goes to demonstrate a lack of any truly logical argument which supports your position. Therefore, it, and you, are easily dismissed. I don't know about you, Larry, but I like to know a lot about everything I do. That goes for cars, amateur radio, computers, housework, history, or whatever. I suspect you feel at least somewhat this way too. Strange that there is a whole culture built up that celebrates ignorance. That's why if my car breaks down on the road, I stand a good chance of getting it running again, why I know it isn't likely the F.C.C. won't test me on the design of a 1/4 wave dipole, and why I knew that there wasn't any special callsigns for non-coded amateurs. Not that I don't make mistakes, but I don't come into newsgroups acting as if I know everything either! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Just thought I'd add my two cents worth to the subject....It's about time the FCC eradicated this ancient mode of communicaton. The FEDS even stopped using it...Time for Amateur Radio to do the same! -- 73 Frank K3EKO |
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In article oK6cb.559233$Ho3.98151@sccrnsc03, Frank Todd
writes: Not that I don't make mistakes, but I don't come into newsgroups acting as if I know everything either! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Just thought I'd add my two cents worth to the subject....It's about time the FCC eradicated this ancient mode of communicaton. The FEDS even stopped using it...Time for Amateur Radio to do the same! Frank: Sooo, it's not enough for code testing to be eliminated, you want to see the abolition of the Morse/CW *mode* as well. Well, take a deep breath and hold it... 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... In article oK6cb.559233$Ho3.98151@sccrnsc03, Frank Todd writes: Not that I don't make mistakes, but I don't come into newsgroups acting as if I know everything either! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Just thought I'd add my two cents worth to the subject....It's about time the FCC eradicated this ancient mode of communicaton. The FEDS even stopped using it...Time for Amateur Radio to do the same! Frank: Sooo, it's not enough for code testing to be eliminated, you want to see the abolition of the Morse/CW *mode* as well. Well, take a deep breath and hold it... 73 de Larry, K3LT Larry, Before you and Dick and others start calling this "the NCI agenda" ... remember, NCI does NOT have any goal to do away with Morse USE or to restrict it ... ONLY to eliminate the TEST requirement. Carl - wk3c |
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