Another Self-Humiliating LenniRiffic Rant
 

Steve,

I'm afraid that you may be treating our friend Len rather harshly.
After all, he is both a septagenarian and an ex-military man, who
served his country with great pride and dignity in the post-WW II era.

But now, he is getting on in years - and may be suffering from
dementia, or Tourette's syndrome (the obscene outbursts are a definite
indicator that this may be at play), or a whole host of other maladies
which affect the aged, and may negatively impact his ability to relate
to society. But, we do owe him a debt of gratitude for his service to
his country, defending North America from the Communist menace back in
the 1950's. He is probably quite frustrated that, although once a
respected member of society, he has been cast aside like the comms
equipment he once lovingly cared for. Surplus. Forgotten. Unwanted.
$199.98 plus freight from Ohio. (as is - Used / Tested is extra).

We need to remember that Len may be someone's grandfather, or brother,
or husband, or ice cream delivery man, and that although he is very
much Semper Fi, life unfortunately is not. Perhaps that is why he
lashes out. Tries so hard to associate with those he wishes he was -
hams, electronics technicians - like that doofy kid from Peoria you
knew back in grade school, who wanted so badly to play football with
the kids in his new school, but was treated like an outcast by the
kids, because he wasn't from your town. Perhaps he just wants to be a
part of life again. Life is infinitely more complex than it was in
Len's day - imagine trying to program a Samsung VCR with only R-808
third-tier maintenance training to fall back upon - My God. And yet,
in some ways things have become simpler than could ever be imagined -
who would have believed that a group of 1950's soldiers trained to
operate a complex 1 KW microwave transmitter could be replaced with a
single button marked "COOK"? That is disconcerting, I'm sure.

Ah...to be useful again. To be renewed! To escape from the "Island
Of Lost Toys".

But he doesn't know how - the journey is arduous and difficult, and it
has been so long...so very long...and lonely...

We should help him find his way! Extend the hand of friendship to our
lost brother. Buy him a MFJ Morse Code Oscillator With Key for
Christmas. Or something..... :)

73, Leo

On 22 Sep 2003 09:44:08 -0700, (Steve Robeson, K4CAP)
wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

Sonny, I've probably done MORE in radio already than you've done in
your entire "career" as a hambone...er Ham.

WHOA, PUTZBREATH!

Where are YOUR accomplishments in AMATEUR RADIO...?!?!

You have PLAYED for years at ham radio, using ready-made
equipment, not really understanding what goes on behind your
ready-made front panels. Where are YOUR accomplishments in
amateur radio, your name posted as anywhere involving advancing
anything of the amateur state of the art? On FIDONET? Words,
self-glorifying yourself. On this newsgroup? More words, more
self-glorifying of yourself...plus an extreme amount of patronizing
"I am your moral superior" preacher without a church.

GEEEEEEEZUS, Lennie!

Pretty deep in the POT/KETTLE/BLACK mode today, aren't ya?

I've done some searches on "Leonard Anderson" and "Amateur Radio"
and with the exception of YOUR self-glorifying, self gratifying
pronouncements of moral superiority of all OF Amateur Radio, the
search comes up a BIG FAT ZERO.

Yes...we all know about the few articles you wrote in "Ham
Radio"...It still amounts to only a fraction of zero.

(BTW...Several of us were gathered at the "CQ" magazine booth at
the Huntsville, AL Hamfest last month, and your name was the subject
of great laughter and joking...So there lies YOUR contribution to
Amateur radio!)

Any you've done what? Playing with your radios, doing your beeping thing
the same as what was done by amateurs a half century ago or a full
century ago? What kind of "new technology" is on-off keying code use?
Who are you trying to fool other than children, fool?

This forum is about AMATEUR RADIO.

It is NOT about Army relay stations in the 1950's, PLMRS, the
IEEE or your SWLing of the aeronautical bands and an expired
student-pilot permit over four decades old...

Morse Code communications is a part of Amateur Radio. That is a
fact.

And despite the amount of effort you put in to trying to make
Larry look like that's ALL he does, you fail miserably.

YOU are STILL a liar.

YOU are STILL unlicensed.

YOU are STILL an outsider looking in. Please wipe the drool off
of the window when you're done. It's embarrassing.

And..oh yeah...You're STILL a PUTZ.

Have a Nice Day.

Steve, K4YZ

WHOA, PUTZBREATH!


Leo, an obvious PCTA, said this in a previous thread.. and I quote..

"Not intellectual enough to make his
point by rational arguement, he resorts to name calling and other
juvenile tactics to 'get his way'. "

oops.

A PCTA just did that, not a NCTA type.

Add "hypocrisy" to the list of the PCTA flaws in tactics and
debate skills.

Clint
KB5ZHT

How so? I have never stated my position one way or the other with
respect to mandatory Morse testing. I have stated that I did get my 5
WPM to get on to HF because I had to by law, and that using it for
QSOs is beginning to grow on me. That doesn't mean that I think
everyone should have to do it!

So, does that make me pro or con, for mandatory testing? Where's the
obvious? Hmmm - there's that old reading comprehension problem
again....

I think that you just like to stir things up, Sir - your diatribes
appear to serve no other useful purpose. Of course you are aware that
the future of Morse testing will be decided at the government level,
by committees of civilized people - and not within this group. As
such, your energies and passionate rants are for nought, as they will
not sway the decision makers one bit. Like complaining with the guys
on the loading dock about the boss - won't change anything, but I bet
that would make someone one feel more important and in control, huh?
(know the feeling?)

Leo


On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:21:09 -0500, "Clint" rattlehead at computron
dot net wrote:



WHOA, PUTZBREATH!


Leo, an obvious PCTA, said this in a previous thread.. and I quote..

"Not intellectual enough to make his
point by rational arguement, he resorts to name calling and other
juvenile tactics to 'get his way'. "

oops.

A PCTA just did that, not a NCTA type.

Add "hypocrisy" to the list of the PCTA flaws in tactics and
debate skills.

Clint
KB5ZHT

Perhaps you're right, Mike - the Morse-based callsign thing was
certainly a little-known fact. There must have been budget cuts at
the FCC, though, and the project was cancelled the project there were
no funds to buy the magic decoder rings that were required :)

I expect that he'll be back here later to add his .02 again - you
gotta admit, this guy is a master debater!

73, Leo

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:28:45 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

Leo wrote:
How so? I have never stated my position one way or the other with
respect to mandatory Morse testing. I have stated that I did get my 5
WPM to get on to HF because I had to by law, and that using it for
QSOs is beginning to grow on me. That doesn't mean that I think
everyone should have to do it!

So, does that make me pro or con, for mandatory testing? Where's the
obvious? Hmmm - there's that old reading comprehension problem
again....

I think that you just like to stir things up, Sir - your diatribes
appear to serve no other useful purpose. Of course you are aware that
the future of Morse testing will be decided at the government level,
by committees of civilized people - and not within this group. As
such, your energies and passionate rants are for nought, as they will
not sway the decision makers one bit. Like complaining with the guys
on the loading dock about the boss - won't change anything, but I bet
that would make someone one feel more important and in control, huh?
(know the feeling?)


Leo, you are being much too hard on the lad. For the price of irritating
some of us, he has given us an education about things that the most
cerebral of us didn't know... Like the special calls that were assigned
to the hams that didn't take any Morse CW test. Perhaps they were forced
to use those 1/4 wave Dipoles. Maybe that's why we didn't know about
them? 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Oops, my bad, cut and paste error - that should have read:

....and the project was cancelled because there were no funds to buy
the magic decoder rings that were required :)

And I almost forgot, we learned that, on the Gulf Coast of Texas,
there are redcoats forcibly marketing 8-track tapes. Apparently, you
do not need to listen to them (the tapes, not the redcoats), but you
do have to purchase them - because they tell you to! Bummer - that
must play hell with local tourism!

So much for vacationing in Galveston next summer - looks like we're
going back to Orlando again instead. I hate 8-tracks - they always
used to stick and wow in the winter. Then again, I haven't seen
redcoats since we went to Fort Henry in Kingston, ON a couple of years
ago, and I'm pretty sure that they were actors. A real live redcoat
would be cool! Hmmm - if the 8-track is cheap, I guess we could just
throw it away after we get a picture with the redcoat. We'll see.

Reference:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=re...s.co m&rnum=1

(I wonder if some of these folks realize that 'Google Groups' archives
all newsgroup posts indefinitely - do a quick search on Google Groups
for KB5ZHT, and have a look a few through the 293 hits it finds. (Not
exactly what you would want someone to find if he strayed of QRZ and
looked you up one day!)

This has been going on for a while, huh?

73, Leo

you
gotta admit, this guy is a master debater!


a masterbater?

:)

Clint
KB5ZHT

In article , "Clint" rattlehead at
computron dot net writes:

WHOA, PUTZBREATH!

Leo, an obvious PCTA, said this in a previous thread.. and I quote..

"Not intellectual enough to make his
point by rational arguement, he resorts to name calling and other
juvenile tactics to 'get his way'. "

oops.

A PCTA just did that, not a NCTA type.

Add "hypocrisy" to the list of the PCTA flaws in tactics and
debate skills.

Clint, you have to consider the ANONYMITY of this mighty, opinionated
nobody.

He (or she) hasn't the courage of their conviction to releal their identity.

Clint, you have to consider the ANONYMITY of this mighty, opinionated
nobody.

He (or she) hasn't the courage of their conviction to releal their
identity.


And i'm telling you, guy, you can BET on this.... he's just a friend of some
sort
to one of the PCTA's who has asked him to jump in here on thier behalf and
appear as hypothetical observer. I've seen this tactic before. You have to
consider how hypocritical HE is (attacking our syntax and grammer, while
not saying a THING about the PCTA group's choice of words or
grammer).

But that's just fine. I don't mind debating with him either, it's even
EASIER
to beat for this reason because his heart and mind aren't really into it...
and if he ISN'T a ham, then it'll show through eventually but i'd hazard the
guess that long before it gets to that point you'll mysteriously see him
*vanish*.

Clint
KB5ZHT

Leo wrote in message . ..

Instead of buying one, can I borrow your copy when you are done with
it?

Where should it be sent? To whom should it be addressed?

Leo wrote:
Hmmm....

You , Clint and Len have one thing in common - if you can't attach the
individual personally, your argument runs out of steam pretty quickly.

Slash away, gentlemen - your personal attacks are futile here. Ad
Hominem is useless when you remove the 'hominem' from the equation,
isn't it?

I add hominem to many meals, Leo. Great fried with onions and butter!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Certainly not ;) - just trying to see his point of view. He seemed
very passionate about this!

73, Leo

On 25 Sep 2003 13:00:31 -0700, (Brian) wrote:

Now, now, Leo, or whoever.

Didn't you just just try to attach an effeminate point of view to
Len's post by dragging in some woman's book?

Or perhaps you think that a woman's point of view has no merit?

Talk about running out of steam and attaching people.

Are we clear?

Leo wrote in message . ..
Hmmm....

You , Clint and Len have one thing in common - if you can't attach the
individual personally, your argument runs out of steam pretty quickly.

Slash away, gentlemen - your personal attacks are futile here. Ad
Hominem is useless when you remove the 'hominem' from the equation,
isn't it? Now, you are forced to rely on intellect alone to make
rational points, which is uncomfortable for some....and difficult for
others. You can't shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.
Waaaa.

Now, gentlemen, if you would care to present lucid and cogent points
in a civilized manner, I'd be happy to listen to you. I have done so
- are you up to the challenge?

73. Leo


On 25 Sep 2003 04:01:09 -0700, (Brian) wrote:

Leo wrote in message . ..

Instead of buying one, can I borrow your copy when you are done with
it?

Where should it be sent? To whom should it be addressed?

BTW, are you Len's new guardian angel? Did Clint get laid off? ;)

And did you want to respond to the issues I raised in my post to you,
or shall we redirect Len's mail to you for follow up?

Inquiring minds want to know...cogent and lucid, remember....

73, Leo

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:04:56 GMT, Leo wrote:

Certainly not ;) - just trying to see his point of view. He seemed
very passionate about this!

73, Leo

On 25 Sep 2003 13:00:31 -0700, (Brian) wrote:

Now, now, Leo, or whoever.

Didn't you just just try to attach an effeminate point of view to
Len's post by dragging in some woman's book?

Or perhaps you think that a woman's point of view has no merit?

Talk about running out of steam and attaching people.

Are we clear?

Leo wrote in message . ..
Hmmm....

You , Clint and Len have one thing in common - if you can't attach the
individual personally, your argument runs out of steam pretty quickly.

Slash away, gentlemen - your personal attacks are futile here. Ad
Hominem is useless when you remove the 'hominem' from the equation,
isn't it? Now, you are forced to rely on intellect alone to make
rational points, which is uncomfortable for some....and difficult for
others. You can't shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.
Waaaa.

Now, gentlemen, if you would care to present lucid and cogent points
in a civilized manner, I'd be happy to listen to you. I have done so
- are you up to the challenge?

73. Leo


On 25 Sep 2003 04:01:09 -0700, (Brian) wrote:

Leo wrote in message . ..

Instead of buying one, can I borrow your copy when you are done with
it?

Where should it be sent? To whom should it be addressed?

Leo wrote in message . ..

How so? I have never stated my position one way or the other with
respect to mandatory Morse testing. I have stated that I did get my 5
WPM to get on to HF because I had to by law, and that using it for
QSOs is beginning to grow on me. That doesn't mean that I think
everyone should have to do it!

Unfortunately, that makes no difference in THIS forum, Leo.

I've expressed not only "tolerence" of NCT's, but have praised
the accomplishments of most of the one's I know, but Lennie, Brain and
a few others always ignore those. It ruins thier rants.

Any opportunity for them to cite "HYPOCRITE" and thereby APPEAR
to be "defending" themselves from some percieved onslaught is never
missed.

As a BIG example, Larry Roll, who is adamantly "pro-code", has
posted countless items on his DIGITAL activities, yet Lennie and his
minions want yo0u (and other countelss faceless readers) to believe
that he's still banging out Code with a Model T spark coil
transmitter.

So, does that make me pro or con, for mandatory testing? Where's the
obvious? Hmmm - there's that old reading comprehension problem
again....

Yes..."reading comprehension" is a problem in this forum.

I think that you just like to stir things up, Sir - your diatribes
appear to serve no other useful purpose. Of course you are aware that
the future of Morse testing will be decided at the government level,
by committees of civilized people - and not within this group. As
such, your energies and passionate rants are for nought, as they will
not sway the decision makers one bit. Like complaining with the guys
on the loading dock about the boss - won't change anything, but I bet
that would make someone one feel more important and in control, huh?
(know the feeling?)

Myself and two or three others have, in times past, tried to
"organize" collective voices on certain REAL policy issues, but they
are always thwarted by Lennie, Brain, and a handful of others who
invariably manage to make almost every post here about the Code issue.

It's really sad in many ways, becasue we have a truly remarkable
opportunity of our own at our disposal, yet a very narrowminded few
would rather just spit and snarl about perceived "wrongs" rather than
truly move forward.

C'est le vie.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Leo


On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:21:09 -0500, "Clint" rattlehead at computron
dot net wrote:



WHOA, PUTZBREATH!


Leo, an obvious PCTA, said this in a previous thread.. and I quote..

"Not intellectual enough to make his
point by rational arguement, he resorts to name calling and other
juvenile tactics to 'get his way'. "

oops.

A PCTA just did that, not a NCTA type.

Add "hypocrisy" to the list of the PCTA flaws in tactics and
debate skills.

Clint, there's nothing here to debate. Nothing.

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message ...

Clint, you have to consider the ANONYMITY of this mighty, opinionated
nobody.

He (or she) hasn't the courage of their conviction to releal their
identity.


And i'm telling you, guy, you can BET on this.... he's just a friend of some
sort
to one of the PCTA's who has asked him to jump in here on thier behalf and
appear as hypothetical observer. I've seen this tactic before. You have to
consider how hypocritical HE is (attacking our syntax and grammer, while
not saying a THING about the PCTA group's choice of words or
grammer).

But that's just fine. I don't mind debating with him either, it's even
EASIER
to beat for this reason because his heart and mind aren't really into it...
and if he ISN'T a ham, then it'll show through eventually but i'd hazard the
guess that long before it gets to that point you'll mysteriously see him
*vanish*.

Ahhhhhhh....I see. "...even EASIER to beat..."

I think that sums up most of the posts here, even those of
persons who feign "superiority-by-virtue-of-enlightenment" such as
Clint.

Practical experience dictates otherwise, but hey...When it COMES
to facts and practical expereience, that's where the Lennie Crowd
suffer the most.

Steve, K4YZ

I think that sums up most of the posts here, even those of
persons who feign "superiority-by-virtue-of-enlightenment" such as
Clint.

ah, I don't claim such, as i'll leave "enlightenment" up to left wing
liberals in government that have absolutely no clue about the world
outside of lecture halls, government buildings and lawyer's offices.

I only take the facts as they are and deduce a conclusion, rather
than take a passion-filled idea intermixed with rage against
opposition and launch a scathing attack devoid of everything
necessary to warrant a good debate and argument to back up
one's claims.


Practical experience dictates otherwise, but hey...When it COMES
to facts and practical expereience, that's where the Lennie Crowd
suffer the most.

Steve, K4YZ

learn to spell "E X P E R E I E N C E" (your spelling) first and then your
credibility to pass judgement on other people will hold more water.

Clint
KB5ZHT

"Leo" wrote in part ...

BTW, are you Len's new guardian angel? Did Clint get laid off? ;)
__________________________________________________ _____

I was actually beginning to think that Len and Clint might be one in the
same. But a cursory view of the disparity in writing style, grammar, and
spelling dispels that myth fairly quickly.

Arnie -
KT4ST

Talk about running out of steam and attaching people.

Are we clear?

LOL.. I enjoy your mocking of Leo's spelling.
I also find it funny that they don't see thier hypocrisy; they must
be TOTALLY blind to it. Such a reality filter must come in
handy when having conflicts of the soul... or, rather, when
wanting to avoid one.

Now, to annihilate Leo's attempt at having a dialogue AGAIN...

Now, gentlemen, if you would care to present lucid and cogent points
in a civilized manner, I'd be happy to listen to you. I have done so
- are you up to the challenge?

Oh, it's been done time and time again, and met rebuttles of nothing more
than insults and condescending remarks (young man, you just don't know
how easy you have it, blah blah blah) and then the hypocrisy kicked in
and we were accused of doing all these things when in fact it was your
side of the fence that was doing it.... of course, this was before your
buddy got a hold of you outside the newsgroup and asked you to jump
in and pretend to be an unbiased person who was passing objective
criticism.

BUT ENOUGH OF THAT... I know draw attention to the fact that
you are BUSTED AGAIN..... if you don't have a position one way or
the other (or so you've *CLAIMED*), then, um, why would you need to
hear "lucid and cogent points in a civilized manner" for debate and
argument if you're NOT a PCTA apologist/sympathizer/member?

You better stop while you are ahead. The more you talk, the more
you sabotage yourself... not to mention you better look over your
post VERY carefully and make sure you really meant to type
what you did and use the words you chose....

Clint
KB5ZHT

LOL !

What in hell are you trying to say? Sabotage what position? Please
get someone to translate my posts into whatever it is that you speak,
then reply! Duh...

Leo

PS - while we're on the subject of spelling errors, I noticed this one
in your post below:

Rebuttles? Try 'rebuttals' next time ;)

Whoops, them thar's one of yer Pot / Black sceen-arios, I reckon!



On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:02:32 -0500, "Clint" rattlehead at computron
dot net wrote:



Talk about running out of steam and attaching people.

Are we clear?

LOL.. I enjoy your mocking of Leo's spelling.
I also find it funny that they don't see thier hypocrisy; they must
be TOTALLY blind to it. Such a reality filter must come in
handy when having conflicts of the soul... or, rather, when
wanting to avoid one.

Now, to annihilate Leo's attempt at having a dialogue AGAIN...

Now, gentlemen, if you would care to present lucid and cogent points
in a civilized manner, I'd be happy to listen to you. I have done so
- are you up to the challenge?

Oh, it's been done time and time again, and met rebuttles of nothing more
than insults and condescending remarks (young man, you just don't know
how easy you have it, blah blah blah) and then the hypocrisy kicked in
and we were accused of doing all these things when in fact it was your
side of the fence that was doing it.... of course, this was before your
buddy got a hold of you outside the newsgroup and asked you to jump
in and pretend to be an unbiased person who was passing objective
criticism.

BUT ENOUGH OF THAT... I know draw attention to the fact that
you are BUSTED AGAIN..... if you don't have a position one way or
the other (or so you've *CLAIMED*), then, um, why would you need to
hear "lucid and cogent points in a civilized manner" for debate and
argument if you're NOT a PCTA apologist/sympathizer/member?

You better stop while you are ahead. The more you talk, the more
you sabotage yourself... not to mention you better look over your
post VERY carefully and make sure you really meant to type
what you did and use the words you chose....

Clint
KB5ZHT

Arnie,

You're right - just that he was so kind to correct a typo in one of my
posts, I thought I'd return the favour for him ;)

73, Leo

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:50:02 -0400, "Arnie Macy"
wrote:

"Leo" wrote in part ...

PS - while we're on the subject of spelling errors, I noticed this one in
your post below:

Rebuttles? Try 'rebuttals' next time ;) Whoops, them thar's one of yer Pot
/ Black sceen-arios, I reckon!
_________________________________________________ __________________

Don't be so hard on Clint, Leo. He doesn't specialize in English, grammar,
or spelling. His forte is writing non-cogent replies.

Arnie -
KT4ST

And, never in short supply! Available right here on this newsgroup,
always fresh, always in season...free for the taking!

Mike, you have to tell me what cold medication you're taking - I could
use a shot or two myself! :)

73, Leo

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:52:32 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

Leo wrote:
Hmmm....

You , Clint and Len have one thing in common - if you can't attach the
individual personally, your argument runs out of steam pretty quickly.

Slash away, gentlemen - your personal attacks are futile here. Ad
Hominem is useless when you remove the 'hominem' from the equation,
isn't it?

I add hominem to many meals, Leo. Great fried with onions and butter!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Clint" wrote in part ...

I only take the facts as they are and deduce a conclusion, rather than take
a passion-filled idea intermixed with rage against opposition and launch a
scathing attack devoid of everything necessary to warrant a good debate and
argument to back up one's claims.
__________________________________________________ ___________

Excellent position, Clint. With that in mind, let's do some fact vs fiction
debate.

On September 5, 2003 the Dakota Division Director released these survey
results:

"Division members are divided on the Entry level license with slightly more
of those replying saying that Morse Code should not be required for access
to HF. That changes as as we move to General and Extra. Nearly 70% say
there should be a Morse requirement for Extra Class licensees."
__________________________________________________ _____________

This is very close to my position on Morse testing. I believe that some HF
privileges on all bands should be granted to amateurs upon entry into the
ARS, and that CW testing should be required for the higher licenses, General
and Extra. It would seem that this survey in the Dakota Division indicates
(as I have stated many times) that a majority of hams are not strictly
against code testing -- 70% seem to think that there should be some testing
for the highest class of license.

Add to this the fact that CW is the second most popular mode in the ARS and
that groups like "FISTS" have nearly doubled in size *since* restructuring,
and I think the picture becomes clear. The support for the NCTA is not as
strong as their advocates would have us believe.

Arnie -
KT4ST

Thanks, Dick - they sure had it coming.....

On 26 Sep 2003 01:14:10 GMT, Dick Carroll
wrote:



Leo wrote:

LOL !

What in hell are you trying to say? Sabotage what position? Please
get someone to translate my posts into whatever it is that you speak,
then reply! Duh...

Leo

PS - while we're on the subject of spelling errors, I noticed this one
in your post below:

Rebuttles? Try 'rebuttals' next time ;)




Leo I do believe you've done a fair job of putting both Clint and
Lennie on their rebuttles!

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Leo" wrote in part ...

BTW, are you Len's new guardian angel? Did Clint get laid off? ;)
_________________________________________________ ______

I was actually beginning to think that Len and Clint might be one in the
same. But a cursory view of the disparity in writing style, grammar, and
spelling dispels that myth fairly quickly.

Do you think that a person can have only one writing style?

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Leo
writes:

What I don't understand is why the intelligent members of this group
put up with all of the QRM intentionally generated by just a few
troublemakers.

Good question.

For example, Len is not an Amateur, (well, not a Radio amateur.... :)
), and states freely that he does not have any desire to become one -

Just for reference, Leo...

Back on January 19, 2000, Len did say he was 'going for Extra right out of the
box' or words to that effect. Back then he was posting here as 'Lenof21'
(aol.com) . That was over 3-1/2 years ago.

Of course he did not say *when* he was going to do it....

73 de Jim, N2EY

He does seem very contemptuous of amateurs, though, because they do
not have the depth of experience or operating knowledge of commercial
and militart licence holders such as himself. Assuming that he does -
he may be a poser.

Technically, he may be able to pass the Extra without the need for
further study, but what would he do with it? He seems to be equally
contemptuous of conversing with people, which is a requirement to
enjoy the hobby.....

73, Leo

On 26 Sep 2003 12:29:59 GMT, (N2EY) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

What I don't understand is why the intelligent members of this group
put up with all of the QRM intentionally generated by just a few
troublemakers.

Good question.

For example, Len is not an Amateur, (well, not a Radio amateur.... :)
), and states freely that he does not have any desire to become one -

Just for reference, Leo...

Back on January 19, 2000, Len did say he was 'going for Extra right out of the
box' or words to that effect. Back then he was posting here as 'Lenof21'
(aol.com) . That was over 3-1/2 years ago.

Of course he did not say *when* he was going to do it....

73 de Jim, N2EY

Oops, better change that to 'military' before Clint comes 'round to
help me out with my spelling again....;)

73, Leo

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:44:55 GMT, Leo wrote:

snip

and militart licence holders such as himself.

In article , Leo
writes:

Thanks, Steve. You're quite correct - there are some remarkable
opportunities which we need to explore!

What I don't understand is why the intelligent members of this group
put up with all of the QRM intentionally generated by just a few
troublemakers.

Of course...in the Orwellian Truthspeak of the PCTA, all who do not
love, honor, and obey the PCTA principles are "false, misleading, or
nonsense" and should be opposed to ALL that the NCTA are for...

There is only ONE side that is noble, good, and true...the PCTAs.

Anyplace else that is considered dictatorial, totalitarian.

To this invisible, unidentifiable "Leo" it is Truthspeak for he (or she) is
a mighty "force" for all that is good, noble, and true. Not.

For example, Len is not an Amateur, (well, not a Radio amateur.... :)
), and states freely that he does not have any desire to become one -
yet he is involved in endless vitriolic arguements which are entirely
moot in his case - no matter whether code stays or goes, he isn't part
of the Amateur community, as he has not paid his dues (who in hell
cares about military or commercial comms experience - this is Amateur
Radio!)

This is just a newsgroup for debate, discussion, or argument. In this
"Leo" situation it is a place to Hide while NOT trying to be reasonable
about any subjects.

"Leo" constantly targets personalities, not the subjects. He (or she)
cannot stand up for what they actually believe so they HIDE, secure in
their safety from physical or mental harm. That is not courage of
conviction. It is just cowardly harrassment of others for personal
pleasure, having nothing to do with the subject of code testing.

In the United States the morse code test for an amateur radio license
is a federal regulation required now by the FCC. Since we US citizens
have the Constitutional Right to petition our government for the redress
of our grievances (First Amendment), ALL US citizens can reasonably
discuss and debate that particular matter of policy.

"Leo" claims to be Canadian, is therefore NOT subject to the same
Constitutional Rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. "Leo" has NO
Right whatsoever (except under Canadian law) to have ANY say in US
law. Yet, he (or she) claims some sort of (invisible) "right" to determine
who shall say what in an unmoderated newsgroup about the Law of the
United States of America.

"Leo" states that non-amateurs (apparently the overwhelming majority of
humans not licensed in any administration's amateur radio service) are
"ineligible" to speak about US Law concerning the USA's amateur radio
regulations. Oddly, many of the PCTA insist that non-amateurs cannot
speak or address their government even though those PCTAs are citizens
of the USA. That is also illogical, dictatorial, totalitarian.

Realistically, Amateurs have no interest in his opinions - he
has chosen not to join the community, and 'pay the dues" by becoming
licenced.

That is a mental aberration of this "Leo."

There are no such "dues payment" required under US Law, certainly not
in the regulations of the FCC, the radio regulating agency for civil radio
in the United States of America.

"Realistically," radio amateurs licensed in the USA are under USA law.

"Realistically," over two hundred thousand US radio amateurs became
licensed as no-code-test Technicians since 1991. "Realistically," they
are all lawfully licensed US radio amateurs who did NOT subscribe to
any PCTA commandments.

"Leo's" alleged "realistic" statement is nonsense, nothing more than a
perverse statement of territorial imperative ("turf") which is based on
nothing but his or her personal opinion...which is solidly rooted in the
PCTA mythology of might of morse.

"Leo" has NO data to verify that amateurs are all on his (or her) side.
It is perverse personal opinion only, of a single individual hiding under a
pseudonym.

Quite obviously, he exists in this group only as the
resident troll, bullying all who disagree with his pontifications and
opinions.

More Orwellian Truthspeak. Falsehoods labeled as "truth of all" when
they are just personal opinions.

"Leo" accuses those of opposite opinions as "bullies" when he (or she)
is supremely guilty of the same.

Look at today's barrage of feces that he posted, for
example, or yesterdays -- was there a single statement made that would
improve or change the state of the hobby?

Apparently the above statement of "Leo" is another "rational, civil
discourse" of the PCTA regulars in here.

Anything against their viewpoints is a "barrage of feces." :-)

Any positive comments? Any
news? Anything relevant at all? No - just a series of personal attacks
on those who won't see his way.

So far, this invisible "Leo" hasn't come up with anything but a lot of
individual personality attacks.

"Leo" doesn't seem interested in anything but flame wars. Is that the
spirit of US amateur radio? I think not.

Who cares what his way is? He don't matter - he ain't a Ham.

Did I state the PCTA view of "Leo's" is dictatorial, totalitarian? Yes.
One more statement of his (or hers) to prove it.

Perhaps Industry Canada has some rule or regulation requiring amateur
radio licensing in order to discuss, debate, or argue Canadian law?
No such thing is required in the United States of America...open discourse
is a fundamental Right of citizens of the United States.

Just a sad old has-been who enjoys beating
folks up (or trying to :) ) in the newsgroup.

I am just arguing for the elimination of the morse code test for any United
States amateur radio license. So do many citizens of the USA, both
licensed radio amateurs and those not licensed in amateur radio.

I am quite sure (by example of years in here) that the PCTA cannot
abide by any changes in the US amateur regulations that threaten
their rank-status-privileges achieved through federally tested morse code
ability.

I am also quite sure, again by example of years of PCTA statements in
here, that the PCTA have no interest in any "promotion" or "betterment"
of US amateur radio except for themselves. They show little care for any
US citizens entering the hobby to do anything but exactly as they had to.

A pitiful old erstwhile military comms operator, circa 1950s.

Chronologically old, of course. :-)

Somehow living a long life is anathema to the "forever young" PCTA.

"Leo" seems to ignore an entire career spent as a civilian as an
electronics design engineer, very much a professional in terms of
accepting monetary compensation for services rendered. :-)

And his buddies aren't much
better....just younger clones of the same persona.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...more dictatorial totalitarianism and provincial eliteness.

Shut them down.

"Calm, rational, civil discourse." :-)

Men without honor or intelligence or relevance are
not worth anyones' time.

Only the anonymous are "with honor or intelligence or relevance." :-)

Dictatorial. Totalitarian. Elite.

I've demonstrated some effective techniques
that can be used to squelch QRM from these types of individuals - give
'em a try.

"Calm rational civil discourse" in action. Become anonymous!
Harrass those who think differently! Force everyone to become PCTA
by ANY means! :-)

Or, use silence as a tool - remove the audience, and adios boors.

"Hasta la vista, baby?" :-)

Sorry, Canadians can't run for Governor of California. Make a few movies
first and you, too, can become a "terminator." :-)

Go for it! You don't see Len dealing with my posts anymore,
do you? He can't - he's been disempowered! Surplussed again.
Discharged. He can't argue with logic, or intellect, or reason, and
when there's no possibility of personal attack - game over!

Apparently "Leo" is so anonymous that his sense of reality is also
anonymous.

Plus, he knows that I know what he is.......he ain't fooling me!

This "Leo" is one sick puppy... :-)

This is rec.radio.amateur.policy, not alt.hasbeen.flamefest - let's
get these guys over to the appropriate forum, and get back to
discussing the future of Amateur Radio!

"Leo" thinks the "future of amateur radio" lies in emulating the standards
and practices of the 1930s.

Frankly, there are bigger
issues than Code Testing to be discussed here - BPL could wipe out the
hobby as we know it.......

Tsk, tsk, isn't the Brass Pounder League the heart and soul of amateur
radio of today?

To paraphrase Nancy Reagan, "Just Say No To Thugs!"

NO, "Leo." :-)

Not a very convincing arguement at all. All emotion and bluster - but
no fact. Your anger and lack of character is driving your comments,
not intelligence. What you cannot see does not exist - like a child
putting their hand over their eyes, and believing that they are now
alone. Now that's brilliant! ;)

But, you make quite an interesting spectacle of yourself when
dominated by superior intelligence and wit.

Please go on, Alter Kocker - you are making a complete fool of
yourself!

30, Leo

On 26 Sep 2003 18:30:00 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

Thanks, Steve. You're quite correct - there are some remarkable
opportunities which we need to explore!

What I don't understand is why the intelligent members of this group
put up with all of the QRM intentionally generated by just a few
troublemakers.

Of course...in the Orwellian Truthspeak of the PCTA, all who do not
love, honor, and obey the PCTA principles are "false, misleading, or
nonsense" and should be opposed to ALL that the NCTA are for...

There is only ONE side that is noble, good, and true...the PCTAs.

Anyplace else that is considered dictatorial, totalitarian.

To this invisible, unidentifiable "Leo" it is Truthspeak for he (or she) is
a mighty "force" for all that is good, noble, and true. Not.

For example, Len is not an Amateur, (well, not a Radio amateur.... :)
), and states freely that he does not have any desire to become one -
yet he is involved in endless vitriolic arguements which are entirely
moot in his case - no matter whether code stays or goes, he isn't part
of the Amateur community, as he has not paid his dues (who in hell
cares about military or commercial comms experience - this is Amateur
Radio!)

This is just a newsgroup for debate, discussion, or argument. In this
"Leo" situation it is a place to Hide while NOT trying to be reasonable
about any subjects.

"Leo" constantly targets personalities, not the subjects. He (or she)
cannot stand up for what they actually believe so they HIDE, secure in
their safety from physical or mental harm. That is not courage of
conviction. It is just cowardly harrassment of others for personal
pleasure, having nothing to do with the subject of code testing.

In the United States the morse code test for an amateur radio license
is a federal regulation required now by the FCC. Since we US citizens
have the Constitutional Right to petition our government for the redress
of our grievances (First Amendment), ALL US citizens can reasonably
discuss and debate that particular matter of policy.

"Leo" claims to be Canadian, is therefore NOT subject to the same
Constitutional Rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. "Leo" has NO
Right whatsoever (except under Canadian law) to have ANY say in US
law. Yet, he (or she) claims some sort of (invisible) "right" to determine
who shall say what in an unmoderated newsgroup about the Law of the
United States of America.

"Leo" states that non-amateurs (apparently the overwhelming majority of
humans not licensed in any administration's amateur radio service) are
"ineligible" to speak about US Law concerning the USA's amateur radio
regulations. Oddly, many of the PCTA insist that non-amateurs cannot
speak or address their government even though those PCTAs are citizens
of the USA. That is also illogical, dictatorial, totalitarian.

Realistically, Amateurs have no interest in his opinions - he
has chosen not to join the community, and 'pay the dues" by becoming
licenced.

That is a mental aberration of this "Leo."

There are no such "dues payment" required under US Law, certainly not
in the regulations of the FCC, the radio regulating agency for civil radio
in the United States of America.

"Realistically," radio amateurs licensed in the USA are under USA law.

"Realistically," over two hundred thousand US radio amateurs became
licensed as no-code-test Technicians since 1991. "Realistically," they
are all lawfully licensed US radio amateurs who did NOT subscribe to
any PCTA commandments.

"Leo's" alleged "realistic" statement is nonsense, nothing more than a
perverse statement of territorial imperative ("turf") which is based on
nothing but his or her personal opinion...which is solidly rooted in the
PCTA mythology of might of morse.

"Leo" has NO data to verify that amateurs are all on his (or her) side.
It is perverse personal opinion only, of a single individual hiding under a
pseudonym.

Quite obviously, he exists in this group only as the
resident troll, bullying all who disagree with his pontifications and
opinions.

More Orwellian Truthspeak. Falsehoods labeled as "truth of all" when
they are just personal opinions.

"Leo" accuses those of opposite opinions as "bullies" when he (or she)
is supremely guilty of the same.

Look at today's barrage of feces that he posted, for
example, or yesterdays -- was there a single statement made that would
improve or change the state of the hobby?

Apparently the above statement of "Leo" is another "rational, civil
discourse" of the PCTA regulars in here.

Anything against their viewpoints is a "barrage of feces." :-)

Any positive comments? Any
news? Anything relevant at all? No - just a series of personal attacks
on those who won't see his way.

So far, this invisible "Leo" hasn't come up with anything but a lot of
individual personality attacks.

"Leo" doesn't seem interested in anything but flame wars. Is that the
spirit of US amateur radio? I think not.

Who cares what his way is? He don't matter - he ain't a Ham.

Did I state the PCTA view of "Leo's" is dictatorial, totalitarian? Yes.
One more statement of his (or hers) to prove it.

Perhaps Industry Canada has some rule or regulation requiring amateur
radio licensing in order to discuss, debate, or argue Canadian law?
No such thing is required in the United States of America...open discourse
is a fundamental Right of citizens of the United States.

Just a sad old has-been who enjoys beating
folks up (or trying to :) ) in the newsgroup.

I am just arguing for the elimination of the morse code test for any United
States amateur radio license. So do many citizens of the USA, both
licensed radio amateurs and those not licensed in amateur radio.

I am quite sure (by example of years in here) that the PCTA cannot
abide by any changes in the US amateur regulations that threaten
their rank-status-privileges achieved through federally tested morse code
ability.

I am also quite sure, again by example of years of PCTA statements in
here, that the PCTA have no interest in any "promotion" or "betterment"
of US amateur radio except for themselves. They show little care for any
US citizens entering the hobby to do anything but exactly as they had to.

A pitiful old erstwhile military comms operator, circa 1950s.

Chronologically old, of course. :-)

Somehow living a long life is anathema to the "forever young" PCTA.

"Leo" seems to ignore an entire career spent as a civilian as an
electronics design engineer, very much a professional in terms of
accepting monetary compensation for services rendered. :-)

And his buddies aren't much
better....just younger clones of the same persona.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...more dictatorial totalitarianism and provincial eliteness.

Shut them down.

"Calm, rational, civil discourse." :-)

Men without honor or intelligence or relevance are
not worth anyones' time.

Only the anonymous are "with honor or intelligence or relevance." :-)

Dictatorial. Totalitarian. Elite.

I've demonstrated some effective techniques
that can be used to squelch QRM from these types of individuals - give
'em a try.

"Calm rational civil discourse" in action. Become anonymous!
Harrass those who think differently! Force everyone to become PCTA
by ANY means! :-)

Or, use silence as a tool - remove the audience, and adios boors.

"Hasta la vista, baby?" :-)

Sorry, Canadians can't run for Governor of California. Make a few movies
first and you, too, can become a "terminator." :-)

Go for it! You don't see Len dealing with my posts anymore,
do you? He can't - he's been disempowered! Surplussed again.
Discharged. He can't argue with logic, or intellect, or reason, and
when there's no possibility of personal attack - game over!

Apparently "Leo" is so anonymous that his sense of reality is also
anonymous.

Plus, he knows that I know what he is.......he ain't fooling me!

This "Leo" is one sick puppy... :-)

This is rec.radio.amateur.policy, not alt.hasbeen.flamefest - let's
get these guys over to the appropriate forum, and get back to
discussing the future of Amateur Radio!

"Leo" thinks the "future of amateur radio" lies in emulating the standards
and practices of the 1930s.

Frankly, there are bigger
issues than Code Testing to be discussed here - BPL could wipe out the
hobby as we know it.......

Tsk, tsk, isn't the Brass Pounder League the heart and soul of amateur
radio of today?

To paraphrase Nancy Reagan, "Just Say No To Thugs!"

NO, "Leo." :-)

Leo wrote:

Technically, he may be able to pass the Extra without the need for
further study, but what would he do with it? He seems to be equally
contemptuous of conversing with people, which is a requirement to
enjoy the hobby.....

For some reason, this reminds me of the old joke by Rodney Dangerfield
where he notes that when he was a kid, his parents tied a porkchop
around his neck so that the dog would play with him. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

I remember that one! My favourite Dangerfield line is:

"I could tell that my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster
and a radio."

73, Leo

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:21:53 GMT, Mike Coslo
wrote:

Leo wrote:

Technically, he may be able to pass the Extra without the need for
further study, but what would he do with it? He seems to be equally
contemptuous of conversing with people, which is a requirement to
enjoy the hobby.....

For some reason, this reminds me of the old joke by Rodney Dangerfield
where he notes that when he was a kid, his parents tied a porkchop
around his neck so that the dog would play with him. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
t...
Leo wrote:

Technically, he may be able to pass the Extra without the need for
further study, but what would he do with it? He seems to be equally
contemptuous of conversing with people, which is a requirement to
enjoy the hobby.....

For some reason, this reminds me of the old joke by Rodney Dangerfield
where he notes that when he was a kid, his parents tied a porkchop
around his neck so that the dog would play with him. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -


I suspect that joke predates Rodney.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Technically, he may be able to pass the Extra without the need for
further study,

I doubt that. The Extra still requires a 5 wpm code test. ;-)

but what would he do with it? He seems to be equally
contemptuous of conversing with people, which is a requirement to
enjoy the hobby.....

Perhaps he is enjoying what he does here.

For some reason, this reminds me of the old joke by Rodney Dangerfield
where he notes that when he was a kid, his parents tied a porkchop
around his neck so that the dog would play with him. 8^)

HAW!

For some reason I am reminded of an unknown comedian who used to talk about how
bad his mother's cooking was:

"We had the only dog in the neighborhood that would beg at the table for
Bromo-Seltzer"

"In summer, there were usually bugs on the screen door to the kitchen. But our
bugs were on the inside, trying to get out!"

"I was 14 before I realized that pudding wasn't supposed to have bones in it"

Then there are the lightbulb jokes and the yomama jokes.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In between which lie he spoke, that I posted
poof of, did you see this?

I admire you and those like you who can twist
thier perception of the world to something that
they find peace with so easily.

Doesn't tend to do one's health much good though
when your heading full speed a head down a
dead end alley.

Clint
KB5ZHT

--

--

Get in touch with your soul: www.glennbeck.com
OR, if you're a liberal, maybe you can FIND one


--
"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
...


Leo wrote:

LOL !

What in hell are you trying to say? Sabotage what position? Please
get someone to translate my posts into whatever it is that you speak,
then reply! Duh...

Leo

PS - while we're on the subject of spelling errors, I noticed this one
in your post below:

Rebuttles? Try 'rebuttals' next time ;)




Leo I do believe you've done a fair job of putting both Clint and
Lennie on their rebuttles!

The response to which, (where the 'lie' was quite obviously an error ,
and apologized for) I can only assume, you never read......?

You might want to check out "Hooked On Phonics", Clint - it might help
you through the bigger words!

30, Leo

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:24:51 -0500, "Clint" rattlehead at computron
dot net wrote:

In between which lie he spoke, that I posted
poof of, did you see this?

I admire you and those like you who can twist
thier perception of the world to something that
they find peace with so easily.

Doesn't tend to do one's health much good though
when your heading full speed a head down a
dead end alley.

Clint
KB5ZHT

--

--

Get in touch with your soul: www.glennbeck.com
OR, if you're a liberal, maybe you can FIND one

Leo wrote in message . ..
LOL !

What in hell are you trying to say? Sabotage what position? Please
get someone to translate my posts into whatever it is that you speak,
then reply! Duh...

Leo

PS - while we're on the subject of spelling errors, I noticed this one
in your post below:

Rebuttles? Try 'rebuttals' next time ;)

Whoops, them thar's one of yer Pot / Black sceen-arios, I reckon!

And so it goes.

It would appear that you've run out of steam again.