In article k.net, "Dwight
Stewart" writes:

"Dick Carroll" wrote:

I still find it beyond incredible that persons who would
learn all that goes into making an engineer would have
any problem whatever with learning the most basic radio
communications skill at the most minimal level.

Because, as far as the "engineer" is concerned, it (code) isn't a "basic
radio communications skill" today, Dick.

Perhaps - but we're amateurs, remember? Not professionals.

It hasn't been for several decades,
at least. As far as I know, not a single college-based communications,
radio, electronics, or engineering, course today offers instruction in code
"skill."

None of them I ever heard of did, either. Nor did any of them require typing,
speech or voice lessons for engineers. The radio part of EE is about building
radios, not using them.

Radio is but a small part of electrical engineering, and it keeps getting
smaller as other technologies come along. Heck, the hot subject in
communications today is fiber optics - which works by on-off keying!

Likewise, few, if any, employers are seeking that "skill."
Therefore, it (code) simply isn't relevant to any of these careers.

Neither are a whole lot of other things hams do!

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article k.net,
"Dwight
Stewart" writes:

"Dick Carroll" wrote:

I still find it beyond incredible that persons who would
learn all that goes into making an engineer would have
any problem whatever with learning the most basic radio
communications skill at the most minimal level.

Because, as far as the "engineer" is concerned, it (code) isn't a
"basic
radio communications skill" today, Dick.

Perhaps - but we're amateurs, remember? Not professionals.

It hasn't been for several decades,
at least. As far as I know, not a single college-based communications,
radio, electronics, or engineering, course today offers instruction in
code
"skill."

None of them I ever heard of did, either. Nor did any of them require
typing,
speech or voice lessons for engineers. The radio part of EE is about
building
radios, not using them.

Radio is but a small part of electrical engineering, and it keeps getting
smaller as other technologies come along. Heck, the hot subject in
communications today is fiber optics - which works by on-off keying!

While it is true that fiber technology today is digitally based, fiber
can actually be used for an analog transmisison function if someone
wanted to.

Likewise, few, if any, employers are seeking that "skill."
Therefore, it (code) simply isn't relevant to any of these careers.

Neither are a whole lot of other things hams do!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

In article . net, "Bill Sohl"
writes:

Radio is but a small part of electrical engineering, and it keeps getting
smaller as other technologies come along. Heck, the hot subject in
communications today is fiber optics - which works by on-off keying!

While it is true that fiber technology today is digitally based, fiber
can actually be used for an analog transmisison function if someone
wanted to.

Of course!

But in fact, the mode used in practically all fiber optic communications is
simple on-off keying of a "carrier".

Very similar, in fact, to landwire telegraph practice, speeded up and
automated, and using photons instead of electrons.

73 de Jim, N2EY

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote



But in fact, the mode used in practically all fiber optic communications
is
simple on-off keying of a "carrier".

Very similar, in fact, to landwire telegraph practice, speeded up and
automated, and using photons instead of electrons.

Jim, your credibility is fast evaporating!!!!!! This is the most wildly
stretched and tortured analogy to hit rrap since FOREVER! Next you'll tell
us that ...... aw never mind, I can't even read your stuff with a straight
face anymore. You're funnier than Masatoka whatever-his-name-was. I think
you must have done multiple sessions of boko-maru with him.

73, de Hans, K0HB

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote



But in fact, the mode used in practically all fiber optic communications
is
simple on-off keying of a "carrier".

Very similar, in fact, to landwire telegraph practice, speeded up and
automated, and using photons instead of electrons.

Jim, your credibility is fast evaporating!!!!!! This is the most wildly
stretched and tortured analogy to hit rrap since FOREVER!

How so?

The old original landwire telegraph used a single (usually iron) wire and
on-off keying of an electric current. Fiber optics uses a glass fiber and
on-off keying of an beam of light, usually from a laser. Both sent messages by
time-domain multiplexing.

Next you'll tell
us that ...... aw never mind, I can't even read your stuff with a straight
face anymore. You're funnier than Masatoka whatever-his-name-was.

"Are you not entertained??? Is this not what you came here for??"*

I think
you must have done multiple sessions of boko-maru with him.

Aw, now you're getting insulting....

Be well.

73 de Jim, N2EY

* pop culture reference: Maximus to the crowd in the film "Gladiator"

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote



But in fact, the mode used in practically all fiber optic
communications
is
simple on-off keying of a "carrier".

Very similar, in fact, to landwire telegraph practice, speeded up and
automated, and using photons instead of electrons.

Jim, your credibility is fast evaporating!!!!!! This is the most wildly
stretched and tortured analogy to hit rrap since FOREVER!

How so?

The old original landwire telegraph used a single (usually iron) wire and
on-off keying of an electric current. Fiber optics uses a glass fiber and
on-off keying of an beam of light, usually from a laser. Both sent
messages by
time-domain multiplexing.

Actually, in really high speed optical equipment it is both
time domain and wavelengths/frequency (sometimes called color) domains.
There is equipment out there that operates at 1.6 Terrabits/sec.

Cheers,
Bill

"Bill Sohl" wrote in message hlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote



But in fact, the mode used in practically all fiber optic
communications
is
simple on-off keying of a "carrier".

Very similar, in fact, to landwire telegraph practice, speeded up and
automated, and using photons instead of electrons.

Jim, your credibility is fast evaporating!!!!!! This is the most wildly
stretched and tortured analogy to hit rrap since FOREVER!

How so?

The old original landwire telegraph used a single (usually iron) wire and
on-off keying of an electric current. Fiber optics uses a glass fiber and
on-off keying of an beam of light, usually from a laser. Both sent
messages by
time-domain multiplexing.

Actually, in really high speed optical equipment it is both
time domain and wavelengths/frequency (sometimes called color) domains.

Multiple "carriers" (different light wavelengths) on the same fiber,
right? Kinda like multiple telegraph carriers of old.

But isn't the basic modulation scheme still on-off keying of the
light, rather than shifting its color or phase?

There is equipment out there that operates at 1.6 Terrabits/sec.

lessee...10^12 bits/second...that's more than all of the RF spectrum
normally used for radio, right? And that's through *one* fiber that's
immune to EM fields, weather, ionospheric and tropospheric
propagation, EMI and almost everything else except shovels.

Now that's cool.

But it does have a downside. It permits a significant number of US
jobs to be outsourced to places like India (or anywhere else that has
a significant English-speaking population).

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" writes:
"Dick Carroll" wrote:

I still find it beyond incredible that persons who would
learn all that goes into making an engineer would have
any problem whatever with learning the most basic radio
communications skill at the most minimal level.

Because, as far as the "engineer" is concerned, it (code)
isn't a "basic radio communications skill" today, Dick.

Perhaps - but we're amateurs, remember? Not professionals.


Yes, I do remember, Jim. However, why are you asking me this question?
Dick is the one who brought up the engineer in the first paragraph above. I
was simply responding to his comments. And that response addressed the
engineer solely, not amateur radio.


Likewise, few, if any, employers are seeking that "skill."
Therefore, it (code) simply isn't relevant to any of these
careers.

Neither are a whole lot of other things hams do!


Never said, suggested, or even hinted at, anything to the contrary. The
topic raised by Dick was the engineer, not amateur radio.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/