"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in
:


Man you got that right Mike. It was that way, decades ago. The
extra used to mean something. Now it means squat.

Don't believe me? Look at the before and after code gutting. I was
going to get a fancy 1X2 years ago. Glad I didn't now.

Dan/W4NTI

All the 1x2 sequentially assigned calls were gone long before the
20wpm code was dropped.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


The real observation here is to note a complaint about extra class hams
not knowing
what the length of a 1/2 wave dipole was on a given frequency; has
nothing to do
with sending and recieving morse code skill.

Kinda showed your colors there.

Clint




It was a dead giveaway. Anyone who thinks that 20wpm code operating skill
means you know all about dipoles has a serious problem that no amount of
discussion will ever change.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

Alun Palmer wrote:

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in
:


Man you got that right Mike. It was that way, decades ago. The
extra used to mean something. Now it means squat.

Don't believe me? Look at the before and after code gutting. I was
going to get a fancy 1X2 years ago. Glad I didn't now.

Dan/W4NTI

All the 1x2 sequentially assigned calls were gone long before the
20wpm code was dropped.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


The real observation here is to note a complaint about extra class hams
not knowing
what the length of a 1/2 wave dipole was on a given frequency; has
nothing to do
with sending and recieving morse code skill.

Kinda showed your colors there.

Clint





It was a dead giveaway. Anyone who thinks that 20wpm code operating skill
means you know all about dipoles has a serious problem that no amount of
discussion will ever change.

The new requirements *probably* will have no Morse code requirements,
ergo Morse is not really relevant to this thread.

That an extra might have no idea about the length of a half wave dipole
at 40 meters - or more importantly, precisely no idea on how to
calculate it - indicates a more serious problem to me.

- Mike KB3EIA -

The new requirements *probably* will have no Morse code requirements,
ergo Morse is not really relevant to this thread.


They may or may not; if the FCC decides that no "no further change in the
license structure is required at this time" then of course that will be the
final
word on *that* matter, and we'll accept it and go on since they are the
ones that have the final say. I just couldn't help but notice how certain
ones
in here I think have such an overpowering agenda regarding the CW
part of the testing that it tends to take them over and govern, or at least
seriously influence, everything they have to remark about in ham radio.

I'm a general class operator; I realize by definition that means I had to
show knowledge in certain areas to prove I deserved recieving the next
higher license class than tech-plus; however, I did not demonstrate enough
skill and knowledge to warrant recieving the advanced class license.
Therefore,
advanced class operators *should* know more than I do, or at least as much.

That brings us to the sad truth that if an *extra* class license operator
doesn't
know how to calculate the length of a walf wave dipole on 40m (or whatever
frequency), that is a serious issue. I say that because calculating the
length of
an antenna, especially a halfwave dipole of ALL things, is and always WILL
be so basic to ham radio that it should be on page one of chapter one of
every study guide ever printed. Such matters is why I put such a strong
emphasis on putting more priority on written testing than that of the skills
of
translating a CW transmission.

Sad thing is, most the time I get on 75 meters and begin discussing ham
radio
tech stuff, there is usually one heckler that harangues you about it and
makes
light of the fact that you were talking about ham radio stuff and not what
the
weather was like on a day 58 years ago while an old man sat on a porch
and peeled potatoes in the hot summer sun... true story. I actually was on
the
airwaves a few weeks ago discussing the pros and cons how how to set up
a new 75 meter inverted V I was going to make at home... and as soon as
I finished the conversation with the other ham and he went off the air, a
couple
of hams got in there and began talking to one another BASHING me for doing
so... can you imagine???

Clint

I'm a general class operator; I realize by definition that means I had to
show knowledge in certain areas to prove I deserved recieving the next

You didnt prove knowledge, all you proved was that you did a GOOD JOB of
Memorizing some Q@As.

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
I'm a general class operator; I realize by definition that means I had to
show knowledge in certain areas to prove I deserved recieving the next

You didnt prove knowledge, all you proved was that you did a GOOD JOB of
Memorizing some Q@As.

Do you guys dream about morse code tests?

Do you guys dream about morse code tests?



Look lid you still dont get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my
complaint still is the Give away Written.

You're not fooling anybody.

--

Reasons why it sucks to be a liberal....
file overrun error

--
"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
Do you guys dream about morse code tests?



Look lid you still dont get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my
complaint still is the Give away Written.

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
Do you guys dream about morse code tests?



Look lid you still dont get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my
complaint still is the Give away Written.

Don't confuse him Bruce....he thinks he is on a roll.

Dan/W4NTI

WA8ULX wrote:

Do you guys dream about morse code tests?





Look lid you still dont get it, I am well aware the CW test is gone, my
complaint still is the Give away Written.


So why are we all not extras, then? If the writtens are so easy?

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...


The new requirements *probably* will have no Morse code requirements,
ergo Morse is not really relevant to this thread.


They may or may not; if the FCC decides that no "no further change in the
license structure is required at this time" then of course that will be
the
final
word on *that* matter, and we'll accept it and go on since they are the
ones that have the final say. I just couldn't help but notice how certain
ones
in here I think have such an overpowering agenda regarding the CW
part of the testing that it tends to take them over and govern, or at
least
seriously influence, everything they have to remark about in ham radio.

I'm a general class operator; I realize by definition that means I had to
show knowledge in certain areas to prove I deserved recieving the next
higher license class than tech-plus; however, I did not demonstrate enough
skill and knowledge to warrant recieving the advanced class license.
Therefore,
advanced class operators *should* know more than I do, or at least as
much.

That brings us to the sad truth that if an *extra* class license operator
doesn't
know how to calculate the length of a walf wave dipole on 40m (or whatever
frequency), that is a serious issue. I say that because calculating the
length of
an antenna, especially a halfwave dipole of ALL things, is and always WILL
be so basic to ham radio that it should be on page one of chapter one of
every study guide ever printed. Such matters is why I put such a strong
emphasis on putting more priority on written testing than that of the
skills
of
translating a CW transmission.

Sad thing is, most the time I get on 75 meters and begin discussing ham
radio
tech stuff, there is usually one heckler that harangues you about it and
makes
light of the fact that you were talking about ham radio stuff and not what
the
weather was like on a day 58 years ago while an old man sat on a porch
and peeled potatoes in the hot summer sun... true story. I actually was on
the
airwaves a few weeks ago discussing the pros and cons how how to set up
a new 75 meter inverted V I was going to make at home... and as soon as
I finished the conversation with the other ham and he went off the air, a
couple
of hams got in there and began talking to one another BASHING me for doing
so... can you imagine???

Clint



Sure can Clint. And you just made my point.

Dan/W4NTI