"Dennis Ferguson" wrote:

Rust actually entered the Soviet Union after a stop in
Helsinki, which means he crossed into the air space
either from the Gulf of Finland or the Finnish land
border, so NATO had nothing to do with it. (snip)


His flight started in Hamburg Germany, with a stop in Helsinki for fuel.
According to every report I've read, he crossed into East Germany on the
border with West Germany. To do this without detection, he would have had to
avoid United States, NATO, and Soviet radar. In my opinion, that was
impossible. Therefore, there is more to this story that has not been told.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message ink.net...
"Dennis Ferguson" wrote:

Rust actually entered the Soviet Union after a stop in
Helsinki, which means he crossed into the air space
either from the Gulf of Finland or the Finnish land
border, so NATO had nothing to do with it. (snip)


His flight started in Hamburg Germany, with a stop in Helsinki for fuel.
According to every report I've read, he crossed into East Germany on the
border with West Germany. To do this without detection, he would have had to
avoid United States, NATO, and Soviet radar. In my opinion, that was
impossible. Therefore, there is more to this story that has not been told.

Yeah, right. It's a "secret". Do you really think that this "scam" you
propose included the sacrificial canning of Soviet Generals to cover
the real truth? Makes no sense at all.

I have enough stick, pedal and hanger bum time to know that if you
plan your flight properly and keep your head down while flying a light
A/C the chances of detection by ground-based radar are quite low if
you know what you're doing.
Ask the drug dealers who have flown DC-6s into this country undetected
how they did it. You can bet yer bippy that the kid was not flying at
10,000 AGL with his transponder squawking his S/N, yes?

Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

w3rv

"Brian Kelly" wrote:

Yeah, right. It's a "secret". Do you really think
that this "scam" you propose included the
sacrificial canning of Soviet Generals to cover
the real truth? Makes no sense at all.


In typical Russian fashion, Gobachov used the incident to eliminate a few
Soviet officers he didn't like (officers appointed by his predecessor).
Besides, if you're going to use this to support your position, you should
also point out that the official reason they were fired was for not taking
more aggressive action against the intruder, not for a failure to detect the
intruder. Of course, I'm sure you see that as just propaganda, while
anything that fits your version of the story is not.


I have enough stick, pedal and hanger bum time
to know that if you plan your flight properly and
keep your head down while flying a light A/C
the chances of detection by ground-based radar
are quite low if you know what you're doing.
Ask the drug dealers who have flown DC-6s into
this country undetected how they did it. You can
bet yer bippy that the kid was not flying at 10,000
AGL with his transponder squawking his S/N, yes?


That area (Eastern Europe and Western Russia) was perhaps the most heavily
monitored region of the world at the time, by tactical and strategic radar,
surveillance aircraft, and satellite. The Gulf/Mexico region is not nearly
as well monitored (something the military and drug enforcement personnel has
repeatedly complained about). I seriously doubt anything larger than an
insect could have flown over Eastern Europe or Western Russia at the time
without being spotted. However, if you choose to believe otherwise, that is
certainly your right. Therefore, I will not continue to argue a contrary
position. Take care.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

He had a point to make via a typical college kid civil disobedience
maneuver and boy he made it. In SPADES. Congress is already looking
for Transportation Security Administration heads to gnaw on for this
one. Welcome to America . .

If the information I read is correct, the stuff he planted on one plane was
there for five weeks before it was discovered...

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...
"Dennis Ferguson" wrote:

Rust actually entered the Soviet Union after a stop in
Helsinki, which means he crossed into the air space
either from the Gulf of Finland or the Finnish land
border, so NATO had nothing to do with it. (snip)


His flight started in Hamburg Germany, with a stop in Helsinki for fuel.
According to every report I've read, he crossed into East Germany on the
border with West Germany. To do this without detection, he would have had
to
avoid United States, NATO, and Soviet radar. In my opinion, that was
impossible. Therefore, there is more to this story that has not been told.

Yeah, right. It's a "secret". Do you really think that this "scam" you
propose included the sacrificial canning of Soviet Generals to cover
the real truth? Makes no sense at all.

I have enough stick, pedal and hanger bum time to know that if you
plan your flight properly and keep your head down while flying a light
A/C the chances of detection by ground-based radar are quite low if
you know what you're doing.
Ask the drug dealers who have flown DC-6s into this country undetected
how they did it. You can bet yer bippy that the kid was not flying at
10,000 AGL with his transponder squawking his S/N, yes?

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...
"Dennis Ferguson" wrote:

Rust actually entered the Soviet Union after a stop in
Helsinki, which means he crossed into the air space
either from the Gulf of Finland or the Finnish land
border, so NATO had nothing to do with it. (snip)

His flight started in Hamburg Germany, with a stop in Helsinki for fuel.
According to every report I've read, he crossed into East Germany on the
border with West Germany. To do this without detection, he would have had
to
avoid United States, NATO, and Soviet radar. In my opinion, that was
impossible. Therefore, there is more to this story that has not been told.

Yeah, right. It's a "secret". Do you really think that this "scam" you
propose included the sacrificial canning of Soviet Generals to cover
the real truth? Makes no sense at all.

I have enough stick, pedal and hanger bum time to know that if you
plan your flight properly and keep your head down while flying a light
A/C the chances of detection by ground-based radar are quite low if
you know what you're doing.
Ask the drug dealers who have flown DC-6s into this country undetected
how they did it. You can bet yer bippy that the kid was not flying at
10,000 AGL with his transponder squawking his S/N, yes?

Go for it, Ace. Tell us all how it was... :-)

This going to be another one of those "bear shooting for naval
intelligence" things?

Of course you carry a radar receiver in your ultra-light and can
TELL whenever you are swept by a radar beam... :-)


Oh, and by the way, this sort of thing isn't close to amateur radio
policy, is it? :-)

LHA