"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

Dwight, for goodness sake. I am not going to get
into a huge idiosynchratic dialogue with you about
this issue. Suffice it to say that days like Black
Mayoral Conferences are set aside to deal
specifically with, well, specific things. (snip)


But there cannot be a white mayors conference to discuss, well, specific
things. There are laws against discrimination in this country which makes
such events illegal. But those laws don't apply to blacks and other
minorities. If it did, the Justice Department would have shut down the black
mayors' conference.


"People like me"? People like me?! Describe a
"people like me" won't you? I'm quite offended by
the characterization there, Dwight, I'll tell you
that.


"People like you" are those who accuse a person of racism without giving
that person an opportunity to explain anything you objected to. You did so
in the very first message you posted to this thread. "People like you" are
those who express indignation against one type of discrimination while
trying to justify or explain away another.


I doubt that quite seriuosly. (snip)


You doubt there are laws prohibiting discrimination? Where have you been
for the last few decades? A white oriented event or activity that
specifically excludes other races is, and has been for a number of years,
illegal. Yet there are events and activities throughout this country each
year (such as the black mayor's conference) that specifically exclude
whites. Openly allowing discrimination against whites while asserting court
litigation against whites who discriminate against minorities is patently
unfair. If you want one to be illegal, both should be illegal. And I simply
don't think that is a racist view.


Are you as upset about gender specific schools? I gave
some other examples, such as women's sports, Girl
Scouts, Boy Scouts, Masons, Eastern Star--all and many
more of which are specific to "types" of membership,
Dwight. I've got pretty much no problem with them.


Most of those are private organizations, not political or business
organizations, Kim. The courts say there is a huge difference. And I agree
there is a huge difference, which is why I've not mentioned a single private
organization (black or otherwise) throughout this discussion. Instead, I've
focused solely on business and political organizations.


Aw, c'mon. How many non-Chinese people are working
at your local Chinese restaraunt? Have *you* applied for
a position at the company you mention above? Maybe no
one's applied. (snip)


First of all, I don't work for others anymore. I own my own companies.
However, to address your specific point, the courts have ruled that the
simple absense of minority employees in a place of business can show a
"practice of discrimination." But, as I've already said, that doesn't apply
to black owned businesses which refuse to hire white employees - as far as I
know, there has never been a single successful case against a black owned
company for discrimination against whites.


I think you're going way, way overboard. What about
"SPIKE" TV? Ya upset about that?


What is there to be upset about? Are they excluding blacks in the
television programs they show? Most of the shows I've seen on Spike TV have
minorities in them.


Pah....there it is. Now, that is as discriminatory as you can
get, Dwight. And, I'm glad you walked right into what I was
hoping I'd be able to demonstrate. Based on your opinion
of women as demure and refined (ok, I'm going overboard
there), you believe that sports organizations are keeping
women out for the reason of their weakness. That's crap.
You don't think there's women who could train and get
pumped up enough to be on a male basketball team?
Football, etc.? Sorry, I've seen 'em in the Ladies' Room.


That's not what I think, Kim. Actually, since I'm not involved in sports
in any way, I haven't given it much thought at all. Regardless, as I
understand it, the practice is based on studies that have shown that women
are injured more when allowed to participate in extremely physical sports
activities with men. That was backed up by medical studies that have shown
that the typical woman's bone structure is not as strong as the typical
man's, no matter how much she pumps up her muscles in the gym. Where those,
and other physical differences, are significant, certain exclusions have
been allowed by the courts. Where it is not significant, exclusions are not
allowed.

Women participating in those sports activities seem to agree with the
courts. Since few of the top women weight lifters, for example, can lift as
much as a male in the same weight class, few have expressed any interest
whatsoever in competing directly with men. That seems to be the case with
most other similar sports activities.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/