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Dwight Stewart wrote:
In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. |
"JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying to disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same speed as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over for him/her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying to disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same speed as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over for him/her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple. |
JJ wrote:
Dee D. Flint wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying to disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same speed as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over for him/her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple. Until 1977 the road signs in Texas read, "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT", those signs are being replaced with "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY". How much clearer than that can it be? Even Kim should be able to grasp the concept of that. It is all spelled out in the Star Telegram article. |
JJ wrote:
Kim W5TIT wrote: This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for mere words to turn into action... Kim W5TIT So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude? I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school zone? |
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writes: N2EY wrote: My daily commute to work is often made longer by school buses and school zones. It's gotten so I know exactly where the zones, the children, and the bus stops are. Is it adult behavior for me to go faster than 15 in a school zone, or zoom past a bus with its red lights flashing, because I *feel* I can do so safely? So what is the max speed you can go in a 15 mph school zone? If there's no reason to go slower or stop - 15 mph. And no faster, even if I *feel* I can go faster safely. In similar fashion, if I see a school bus put on the red lights and/or the little stop sign folds out, I don't try to go by in either direction. Even if I can plainly see that there are no children who could possibly be in danger from my car, and I may *feel* I can proceed safely, I don't go until the red lights are out. Because that's the law and it's the safe way. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net... "Kim W5TIT" wrote: I don't accept JJ's submission at all. One has to register to view the The Ft. Worth Star Telegram's article archives, so I didn't look any further. However, will you accept a submission from the National Highway Traffic Safety Adminstration (DOT) website instead? If so, this link will take you to a description of Texas traffic laws. Scroll down words "Minimum Speed Limit" on the left and then read the information to the right of that (quoted below). http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/inju...98/txspeed.htm Minimum Speed Limit: I. No person shall drive so slowly as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic. Tran. Code §545.363(a) II. A person, driving at less than the normal speed of traffic, shall drive in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. Tran. Code §545.051(b) Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Cool. I'll check that website out. However, the two above put me legal driving in the left lane--since I am traveling at the speed that the *majority* of drivers are driving in the left hand lane, which makes *that* the flow of traffic--with the people desiring to blast passed all of us in the wrong; they are going against the flow (at least in my opinion). Kim W5TIT |
"JJ" wrote in message
... Dee D. Flint wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying to disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same speed as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over for him/her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple. JJ, there is a line in that *commentary* in the newspaper article you referred to: something about the signs that say Left Lane for Passing Only. Well, I'll look on my way in to the office in the morning but, as far as I can remember, there is not one sign in the 32 mile stretch of highway that I travel that says anything about "Left Lane for Passing Only." Kim W5TIT |
"JJ" wrote in message
... JJ wrote: Dee D. Flint wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying to disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same speed as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over for him/her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple. Until 1977 the road signs in Texas read, "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT", those signs are being replaced with "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY". How much clearer than that can it be? Even Kim should be able to grasp the concept of that. It is all spelled out in the Star Telegram article. Slower than who or what? Slower than the flow of traffic ahead, or the traffic behind? Slower than most of the drivers on the road, or slower than the fewer drivers on the road (who are speeding faster)? A sign that simply says "slower traffic keep right" is pretty darned ambiguous. Kim W5TIT |
"JJ" wrote in message
... JJ wrote: Kim W5TIT wrote: This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for mere words to turn into action... Kim W5TIT So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude? I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school zone? JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me...because you're disrespectful, childish, and pretty darned assinine to boot. The fastest someone could go through a 15 MPH school zone would be as fast as the vehicle can go. The fastest *I* would go in a 15 MPH school zone is about 12-13 MPH. Now, shrivel your dick up and go play with it somewhere else... Kim W5TIT |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
JJ, there is a line in that *commentary* in the newspaper article you referred to: something about the signs that say Left Lane for Passing Only. Well, I'll look on my way in to the office in the morning but, as far as I can remember, there is not one sign in the 32 mile stretch of highway that I travel that says anything about "Left Lane for Passing Only." Kim W5TIT Well, I knew you should have gotten you kids to read it to you, here is another quote from the article. ************************************* Until 1997, the messages along Texas' divided highways were passive: SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT Since 1997, those signs are being replaced with a more direct command: LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY The law is not new. Only the signs are new. ************************* Notice is says the signs *are being replaced*. It does not say all the signs have been replaced so just because you don't see it on your little 32 mile stretch of road out of the 76,986 miles of highway in Texas, dosen't mean there aren't any signs that say "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY". I have seen them. There are over 1 million highway signs along Texas roadways and a lot of them are the signs in question to be replaced. I am sure they will get to your 32 miles someday. I also call your attention to the last two lines, the law has always been the left lane is for passing only, only the signs are being changed to better express what some have a hard time understanding. So even if you don't see the signs, the law still applies. I haven't seen a Texas driver's written test in a long time but I would not be suprised that a question about this very subject is there and is something you should know even without a sign to remind you. Maybe on your 32 mile stetch of road they will need a sign every mile or two to keep you reminded. You remind me of the blond gal that collasped on the sidewalk. Several came to her aid and someone noticed she was wearing earphones attatched to a small cd player. In the process of attempting to help her the earphones were removed and she suddenly expired. Someone picked up the earphones to see what she was listening to and heard, "breath in...breath out...breath in...breath out." |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message ... JJ wrote: Dee D. Flint wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying to disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same speed as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over for him/her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple. Until 1977 the road signs in Texas read, "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT", those signs are being replaced with "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY". How much clearer than that can it be? Even Kim should be able to grasp the concept of that. It is all spelled out in the Star Telegram article. Slower than who or what? Slower than the flow of traffic ahead, or the traffic behind? Slower than most of the drivers on the road, or slower than the fewer drivers on the road (who are speeding faster)? A sign that simply says "slower traffic keep right" is pretty darned ambiguous. Kim W5TIT If traffic in the lane you are in is travling faster than you and you have a lane to the right, you are obliged to move to the right. It isn't that hard to understand. However for those like you who seem to have a difficult time with that concept is why they are changing the signs to read, "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY." |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message ... JJ wrote: Kim W5TIT wrote: This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for mere words to turn into action... Kim W5TIT So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude? I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school zone? JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me...because you're disrespectful, childish, and pretty darned assinine to boot. Like you haven't been. Must be hitting a nerve. The fastest someone could go through a 15 MPH school zone would be as fast as the vehicle can go. The fastest *I* would go in a 15 MPH school zone is about 12-13 MPH. Now, shrivel your dick up and go play with it somewhere else... I ask a valid question and here you fly off the handle and start with the vulgar suggestions. Now to answer the question I ask of you and another poster. I don't know about other states, but in Texas you can go only as fast as any other vehicle in the zone at or below the posted limit. If another vehicle in the zone is going 10 mph, then you may go no faster than that vehicle. In other words, no passing in a school zone. If you are the only vehicle in the zone, then what ever the limit is is valid unless unusual conditions dictate otherwise. |
"JJ" wrote in message
... You remind me of the blond gal that collasped on the sidewalk. Several came to her aid and someone noticed she was wearing earphones attatched to a small cd player. In the process of attempting to help her the earphones were removed and she suddenly expired. Someone picked up the earphones to see what she was listening to and heard, "breath in...breath out...breath in...breath out." You can't get any more creative than using a washed up old cliche joke? Oh, I forgot, you *are* from Texas, so that would be all you're capable of... Kim W5TIT |
"JJ" wrote in message
... Kim W5TIT wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... JJ wrote: Kim W5TIT wrote: This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for mere words to turn into action... Kim W5TIT So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude? I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school zone? JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me...because you're disrespectful, childish, and pretty darned assinine to boot. Like you haven't been. Must be hitting a nerve. The fastest someone could go through a 15 MPH school zone would be as fast as the vehicle can go. The fastest *I* would go in a 15 MPH school zone is about 12-13 MPH. Now, shrivel your dick up and go play with it somewhere else... I ask a valid question and here you fly off the handle and start with the vulgar suggestions. Now to answer the question I ask of you and another poster. I don't know about other states, but in Texas you can go only as fast as any other vehicle in the zone at or below the posted limit. If another vehicle in the zone is going 10 mph, then you may go no faster than that vehicle. In other words, no passing in a school zone. If you are the only vehicle in the zone, then what ever the limit is is valid unless unusual conditions dictate otherwise. Whoopee....so what does that have to do with anything that has been being discussed about multiple lane highway traffic and, specifically, traveling in the left-lane at above posted speed limits? What it took you several words to say is this: in Texas (at least) you may not pass another vehicle in an active school zone. So, genius, how 'bout ya explain where you were going with this? Oh forget it, I forgot you can't...never mind. Kim W5TIT |
"JJ" wrote in message ... Dee D. Flint wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: In general, you're right. Nobody is supposed to break the speed limit, so laws about slower vehicles moving to the right and not impeding the flow of traffic don't defend the speeder's actions. But, by the same token, slower drivers are supposed to move to the right and not impede the flow of traffic (if those are the laws in your state), so someone speeding doesn't defend the actions of the slower driver who is impeding the flow of traffic either. I know that sounds strange, but there is some logic behind it. On multiple lane highways, congestion (cars bunching too closely together) is one of the most common causes of accidents. And congestion is dangerious at all highway speeds, but even more so when drivers are speeding. To prevent that bunching up, many states have adopted laws to encourage slower drivers to move to the right so faster vehicles can proceed without bunching up behind the slower vehicle. The idea is to keep all vehicles flowing smoothly - yes, even if some are speeding. W5TWIT wants to play citizen traffic cop, it isn't for her to decide if someone is going to fast and make them slow down by staying in the left lane (even though she is exceeding the speed limit herself), she is obliged to move over and let the faster traffic pass. It is up to the authorities to take care of the speeder. From the description, it is the person coming up behind that is trying to disrupt the flow of traffic as Kim stated that she was going the same speed as the traffic ahead of her. The person coming up behind would be then trying to force a whole stream of cars one after another to move over for him/her. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I fail to see what is so hard to understand about the law...slower traffic stays to the right. It really is very simple. I don't see what's so hard to understand about the law. No one is supposed to exceed the speed limit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
We also have a problem that sometimes mandates driving regularly in the leftmost lane in some areas. Ahh, Dee, ya beat me to it. We have a lot of left side freeway exits. Sometimes traffic is heavy enough that you'd better get into that left lane at least 5 miles before you get to the exit or you will never be able to get over to it. Same here in EPA. In fact we have both lefthand off-ramps and on-ramps to major divided highways. Usually you need to get over as soon as the first advance sign shows up (usually 2 miles out). btw, there's a way to tell from the advance sign whether it's a left- or right-hand offramp..... For example, if you're going west out of Philly on the Schuylkill Expressway (I-76) and you want to go south on the Blue Route (I-476), it's a left-hand exit and you are warned 2 miles out. You better hit the ramp at no more than about 35 because it's sharp and of rapidly decreasing radius. And it comes up fast. Someone in the left lane approaching that exit cannot move over because they won't get back in time. On top of that, many of the divided highways (like most of I-76 east of Valley Forge) around here are only 4 lanes (2 each direction) and if everyone stayed to the right there'd be no end of delays. And there would be lots of accidents and delays at on-ramps. So we tend to use all lanes. Slower folks *usually* stay to the right, but not always, because there may be a reason for them to be on the left. One reason our roads are like this is the terrain. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... JJ wrote: Kim W5TIT wrote: This violator isn't in denial at all. This violator is waiting for mere words to turn into action... Kim W5TIT So your mentality is, "until I am caught, I will continue to break the law." Do you speed throught school zones with that same attitude? I asked this question of another poster and got no answer, so I will ask you Kimmygirl. What is the fast speed you can go in a 15 MPH school zone? JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me...because you're disrespectful, childish, and pretty darned assinine to boot. Like you haven't been. Must be hitting a nerve. The fastest someone could go through a 15 MPH school zone would be as fast as the vehicle can go. The fastest *I* would go in a 15 MPH school zone is about 12-13 MPH. Now, shrivel your dick up and go play with it somewhere else... I ask a valid question and here you fly off the handle and start with the vulgar suggestions. Now to answer the question I ask of you and another poster. I don't know about other states, but in Texas you can go only as fast as any other vehicle in the zone at or below the posted limit. If another vehicle in the zone is going 10 mph, then you may go no faster than that vehicle. In other words, no passing in a school zone. If you are the only vehicle in the zone, then what ever the limit is is valid unless unusual conditions dictate otherwise. Whoopee....so what does that have to do with anything that has been being discussed about multiple lane highway traffic and, specifically, traveling in the left-lane at above posted speed limits? What it took you several words to say is this: in Texas (at least) you may not pass another vehicle in an active school zone. So, genius, how 'bout ya explain where you were going with this? Oh forget it, I forgot you can't...never mind. Kim W5TIT JJ, this is probably the last response you'll ever see from me. So much for that, and I really had my hopes up. |
"JJ" wrote: (snip) You remind me of the blond gal that collasped on the sidewalk. Several came to her aid and someone noticed she was wearing earphones attatched to a small cd player. In the process of attempting to help her the earphones were removed and she suddenly expired. Someone picked up the earphones to see what she was listening to and heard, "breath in...breath out...breath in... breath out." My wife and I both had a good laugh over that, JJ. Not necessarily at Kim's expense, just blonds in general. Thanks. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote: Minimum Speed Limit: I. No person shall drive so slowly as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic. Tran. Code §545.363(a) II. A person, driving at less than the normal speed of traffic, shall drive in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. Tran. Code §545.051(b) Cool. I'll check that website out. However, the two above put me legal driving in the left lane--since I am traveling at the speed that the *majority* of drivers are driving in the left hand lane, which makes *that* the flow of traffic--with the people desiring to blast passed all of us in the wrong; they are going against the flow (at least in my opinion). If that interpretation were really true, the slowest vehicle in the left lane would set the flow of traffic (even if only ten mph) since all the others behind that vehicle are now going the same speed. Clearly, there is something wrong with that interpretation, isn't there? In reality, if there are two or three vehicles behind you who want to go faster, you're impeding the flow of traffic. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net... "Kim W5TIT" wrote: "Dwight Stewart" wrote: Minimum Speed Limit: I. No person shall drive so slowly as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic. Tran. Code §545.363(a) II. A person, driving at less than the normal speed of traffic, shall drive in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. Tran. Code §545.051(b) Cool. I'll check that website out. However, the two above put me legal driving in the left lane--since I am traveling at the speed that the *majority* of drivers are driving in the left hand lane, which makes *that* the flow of traffic--with the people desiring to blast passed all of us in the wrong; they are going against the flow (at least in my opinion). If that interpretation were really true, the slowest vehicle in the left lane would set the flow of traffic (even if only ten mph) since all the others behind that vehicle are now going the same speed. Clearly, there is something wrong with that interpretation, isn't there? In reality, if there are two or three vehicles behind you who want to go faster, you're impeding the flow of traffic. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Well, guess so...however, 40 MPH is the minimum speed limit on some roads... Oh, and as to JJ's claim (backed up with a commentary Giggle from a newspaper) that the left lane is for passing only? Well, my hubby and I have been extensively searching for this in the Texas Code and haven't found it yet. Then, there's the signs that currently say "slower traffic keep right" that are supposedly all over the place and being replaced with "left lane for passing only." I checked my whole route yesterday and there's not a sign to be seen--of any type--indicating anything about lane travel. So, I called some folks who I knew were traveling up from Aransus. The saw one sign all the way up from there that say "slower traffic keep right." I was also contemplating the safety of having a traffic law that would apply to all highway travel...and it would really impede traffic. There are so many people getting on and off on the highways in the core area of the metroplex; as well as so many left lane exits for other highways and streets, that if the left lane were truly for passing only, one may as well pack a boxed lunch to get to work. I think JJ's leg's been pulled. Kim W5TIT |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
Oh, and as to JJ's claim (backed up with a commentary Giggle from a newspaper) that the left lane is for passing only? Well, my hubby and I have been extensively searching for this in the Texas Code and haven't found it yet. (snip) You're right on this one, Kim. After looking over the Texas Drivers Handbook, this does not appear to be the law in Texas. You can download a copy of the handbook at the Texas Department of Public Safety's website... http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...ol/dlindex.htm You'll see the related information under the "Driving the Freeway" section of the handbook (page 9-3 of the handbook or page 53 of the PDF file). For those who don't want to download the 2.5 MB PDF file, it basically says... "Choosing the Proper Lane Look twice before changing speed or lanes and always signal. - Use the right-hand lane: If you wish to drive at the minimum speed limit or below the normal flow of traffic. - Using the middle or left-hand lane: 1. Use the middle or left-hand lane if you are traveling faster than other traffic. 2. If you plan to leave the freeway soon, change to the exit lane as soon as possible." There are obviously other things in that section, but nothing about using the left lane for passing only. It appears you can use the left lane "if you are traveling faster then other traffic." Of course, if you're traveling faster than other traffic, you're probably also passing them. But, unlike some other states, it appears you don't have to get back into the right lane if there is nobody to pass (if you just want to drive in that lane on an open road) unless a road sign states otherwise. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
Dwight Stewart wrote:
"Kim W5TIT" wrote: Oh, and as to JJ's claim (backed up with a commentary Giggle from a newspaper) that the left lane is for passing only? Well, my hubby and I have been extensively searching for this in the Texas Code and haven't found it yet. (snip) You're right on this one, Kim. After looking over the Texas Drivers Handbook, this does not appear to be the law in Texas. You can download a copy of the handbook at the Texas Department of Public Safety's website... http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...ol/dlindex.htm You'll see the related information under the "Driving the Freeway" section of the handbook (page 9-3 of the handbook or page 53 of the PDF file). For those who don't want to download the 2.5 MB PDF file, it basically says... "Choosing the Proper Lane Look twice before changing speed or lanes and always signal. - Use the right-hand lane: If you wish to drive at the minimum speed limit or below the normal flow of traffic. - Using the middle or left-hand lane: 1. Use the middle or left-hand lane if you are traveling faster than other traffic. 2. If you plan to leave the freeway soon, change to the exit lane as soon as possible." There are obviously other things in that section, but nothing about using the left lane for passing only. It appears you can use the left lane "if you are traveling faster then other traffic." Of course, if you're traveling faster than other traffic, you're probably also passing them. But, unlike some other states, it appears you don't have to get back into the right lane if there is nobody to pass (if you just want to drive in that lane on an open road) unless a road sign states otherwise. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: 1. When pavement markings prohibit driving on the left (a "No Passing Zone"). 2. When there are two or more traffic lanes in one direction. (In other words, don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words) 3. When 100 feet (about five car lengths) of or crossing an intersection or railroad crossing. 4. When on a hill, curve, or any other place where vision is limited. 5. Wnen within 100 feet of a bridge, viaduct, or tunnel. You should always keep to the right half of the road EXCEPT: 1. When passing another vehicle on a two or three lane street. (In other words, after passing you should move back to the right...my words). 2. When driving on a one-way street. 3. When the right half of the road is blocked. End quote: Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. |
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:08:41 -0700, JJ wrote:
Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: [snip] Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. Huh ?? Comprehension problem? Try "the other left"..... The question wasn't about driving on the left-hand side of the road, it was about driving on the right-hand side of the center of a road where traffic flows in both directions, or at the left-hand side of a one-way road with two or more lanes. In California traffic engineering practice, numbering starts at the furthest left-hand lane in each direction and numbering proceeds to the right - IOW no matter how many lanes of traffic in that direction, the #1 lane is the "fast" or "inner" or "left-hand" lane -- still on the right hand side of the road if traffic flows in both directions and there is a demarcation of where the "center" line is. This is independent of whether one may drive in the #1 lane except when passing. Did I succeed in confusing you further ?? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
Phil Kane wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:08:41 -0700, JJ wrote: Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: [snip] Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. Huh ?? Comprehension problem? Try "the other left"..... Opps, caught me Phil, seems the right dosen't know what the left is doing. Should be the other way around. Left is for passing, right is for driving. |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Phil Kane wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:08:41 -0700, JJ wrote: Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: [snip] Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. Huh ?? Comprehension problem? Try "the other left"..... The question wasn't about driving on the left-hand side of the road, it was about driving on the right-hand side of the center of a road where traffic flows in both directions, or at the left-hand side of a one-way road with two or more lanes. Does anyone know what on earth the original question was in this thread? It was something about michael jackson I think. Does he even drive? |
Phil Kane wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:08:41 -0700, JJ wrote: Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: [snip] Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. Huh ?? Comprehension problem? Try "the other left"..... The question wasn't about driving on the left-hand side of the road, it was about driving on the right-hand side of the center of a road where traffic flows in both directions, or at the left-hand side of a one-way road with two or more lanes. Does anyone know what on earth the original question was in this thread? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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writes: Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road The "left half of the road" refers to the left half of the entire road. IOW, the part meant for traffic in the other direction! in the following instances: 1. When pavement markings prohibit driving on the left (a "No Passing Zone"). Solid double yellow line 2. When there are two or more traffic lanes in one direction. (In other words, don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words) No, that's not what it means. It means that if there's more than one lane of traffic in the direction you are traveling (say, a road with two northbound and two southbound lanes) you should *never* cross the center line. IOW, passing by crossing the center line is only allowed on roads with one lane in the direction you're traveling 3. When 100 feet (about five car lengths) of or crossing an intersection or railroad crossing. Whether the train hits the car or the car hits the train, the car loses. 4. When on a hill, curve, or any other place where vision is limited. Usually double yellow line anyway. 5. Wnen within 100 feet of a bridge, viaduct, or tunnel. You should always keep to the right half of the road EXCEPT: Again, the "right half of the road" refers to the right half of the entire road. IOW, the part meant for traffic in your direction of travel! 1. When passing another vehicle on a two or three lane street. (In other words, after passing you should move back to the right...my words). It means if you only cross the center line on a 2 or 3 lane road. 2. When driving on a one-way street. No lanes in the other direction. 3. When the right half of the road is blocked. Obvious. End quote: Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. HAW!!! Good one, JJ!! I wonder how many will read that and not see the inversion! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"JJ" wrote in message ... Dwight Stewart wrote: "Kim W5TIT" wrote: Oh, and as to JJ's claim (backed up with a commentary Giggle from a newspaper) that the left lane is for passing only? Well, my hubby and I have been extensively searching for this in the Texas Code and haven't found it yet. (snip) You're right on this one, Kim. After looking over the Texas Drivers Handbook, this does not appear to be the law in Texas. You can download a copy of the handbook at the Texas Department of Public Safety's website... http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...ontrol/dlindex ..htm You'll see the related information under the "Driving the Freeway" section of the handbook (page 9-3 of the handbook or page 53 of the PDF file). For those who don't want to download the 2.5 MB PDF file, it basically says... "Choosing the Proper Lane Look twice before changing speed or lanes and always signal. - Use the right-hand lane: If you wish to drive at the minimum speed limit or below the normal flow of traffic. - Using the middle or left-hand lane: 1. Use the middle or left-hand lane if you are traveling faster than other traffic. 2. If you plan to leave the freeway soon, change to the exit lane as soon as possible." There are obviously other things in that section, but nothing about using the left lane for passing only. It appears you can use the left lane "if you are traveling faster then other traffic." Of course, if you're traveling faster than other traffic, you're probably also passing them. But, unlike some other states, it appears you don't have to get back into the right lane if there is nobody to pass (if you just want to drive in that lane on an open road) unless a road sign states otherwise. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: 1. When pavement markings prohibit driving on the left (a "No Passing Zone"). 2. When there are two or more traffic lanes in one direction. (In other words, don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words) 3. When 100 feet (about five car lengths) of or crossing an intersection or railroad crossing. 4. When on a hill, curve, or any other place where vision is limited. 5. Wnen within 100 feet of a bridge, viaduct, or tunnel. You should always keep to the right half of the road EXCEPT: 1. When passing another vehicle on a two or three lane street. (In other words, after passing you should move back to the right...my words). 2. When driving on a one-way street. 3. When the right half of the road is blocked. End quote: Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. Not so simple in city freeway driving. Following these guidelines literally would mean that cutting back and forth from lane to lane if you can only move to the left to pass each vehicle individually. And don't forget the left-hand freeway exits. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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... Dwight Stewart wrote: "Kim W5TIT" wrote: Oh, and as to JJ's claim (backed up with a commentary Giggle from a newspaper) that the left lane is for passing only? Well, my hubby and I have been extensively searching for this in the Texas Code and haven't found it yet. (snip) You're right on this one, Kim. After looking over the Texas Drivers Handbook, this does not appear to be the law in Texas. You can download a copy of the handbook at the Texas Department of Public Safety's website... http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...ol/dlindex.htm You'll see the related information under the "Driving the Freeway" section of the handbook (page 9-3 of the handbook or page 53 of the PDF file). For those who don't want to download the 2.5 MB PDF file, it basically says... "Choosing the Proper Lane Look twice before changing speed or lanes and always signal. - Use the right-hand lane: If you wish to drive at the minimum speed limit or below the normal flow of traffic. - Using the middle or left-hand lane: 1. Use the middle or left-hand lane if you are traveling faster than other traffic. 2. If you plan to leave the freeway soon, change to the exit lane as soon as possible." There are obviously other things in that section, but nothing about using the left lane for passing only. It appears you can use the left lane "if you are traveling faster then other traffic." Of course, if you're traveling faster than other traffic, you're probably also passing them. But, unlike some other states, it appears you don't have to get back into the right lane if there is nobody to pass (if you just want to drive in that lane on an open road) unless a road sign states otherwise. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: 1. When pavement markings prohibit driving on the left (a "No Passing Zone"). 2. When there are two or more traffic lanes in one direction. (In other words, don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words) 3. When 100 feet (about five car lengths) of or crossing an intersection or railroad crossing. 4. When on a hill, curve, or any other place where vision is limited. 5. Wnen within 100 feet of a bridge, viaduct, or tunnel. You should always keep to the right half of the road EXCEPT: 1. When passing another vehicle on a two or three lane street. (In other words, after passing you should move back to the right...my words). 2. When driving on a one-way street. 3. When the right half of the road is blocked. End quote: Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. JJ, sounds like you found something that contradicts what Dwight found, and vice versa. The point is, there is nothing that my husband or I have been able to find in the TAC (Texas Administrative Code)--which would be the *LAW*. The manual and words like "should," etc., are not laws--they are suggestions. I suggest to you that *if* it were illegal--ILLEGAL--to drive in left lanes on highways not marked (and the highways I am driving are not), then there'd be no threat to the budget here in Texas. Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive in left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for the benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also. Seems I'm winning, though... Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary) interpretation, but law. Kim W5TIT |
JJ wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: Phil Kane wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:08:41 -0700, JJ wrote: Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: [snip] Sounds pretty simple, the right lane is for passing, you should always keep to the left except for passing. Huh ?? Comprehension problem? Try "the other left"..... The question wasn't about driving on the left-hand side of the road, it was about driving on the right-hand side of the center of a road where traffic flows in both directions, or at the left-hand side of a one-way road with two or more lanes. Does anyone know what on earth the original question was in this thread? It was something about michael jackson I think. Does he even drive? Ohhhh don't go there!!! ;^) I just wonder how it evolved into an expression of passive agressive road rage? - Mike KB3EIA - - Mike KB3EIA - |
Kim W5TIT wrote:
Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive in left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for the benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also. Seems I'm winning, though... Not so fast tits. Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary) interpretation, but law. Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the article. Hi Bill, Thanks for your note. Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you pegged - jj) I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 -- http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html +(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, unless the operator is: +(1) passing another vehicle; or +(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal speed of other vehicles." In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall" move over. Write again or anytime --Bud |
"JJ" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive in left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for the benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also. Seems I'm winning, though... Not so fast tits. Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary) interpretation, but law. Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the article. Hi Bill, Thanks for your note. Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you pegged - jj) I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 -- http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html +(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, unless the operator is: +(1) passing another vehicle; or +(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal speed of other vehicles." In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall" move over. Write again or anytime --Bud Well Kim has several times stated that she was driving at the normal speed of the other drivers in the lane. So your quotation makes Kim correct. That a single individual wants to drive much faster than the rest of the traffic does not make Kim wrong for not moving. She may or may not be unwise depending on the overall circumstances but from this quotation is not doing anything illegal. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"JJ" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive in left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for the benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also. Seems I'm winning, though... Not so fast tits. Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary) interpretation, but law. Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the article. Hi Bill, Thanks for your note. Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you pegged - jj) I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 -- http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html +(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, unless the operator is: +(1) passing another vehicle; or +(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal speed of other vehicles." In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall" move over. Write again or anytime --Bud Well Kim has several times stated that she was driving at the normal speed of the other drivers in the lane. So your quotation makes Kim correct. That a single individual wants to drive much faster than the rest of the traffic does not make Kim wrong for not moving. She may or may not be unwise depending on the overall circumstances but from this quotation is not doing anything illegal. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE It should be obvious to the most casual of observers that if you are in the left lane and other traffic is attempting to go faster than you are, even if you are driving the normal speed, speeding, or whatever, you are obliged to move to the right lane to let the faster traffic pass. That is stated pretty plainly. Even if you are going the same speed of the vehicles in the right lane, you cannot block faster traffic in the left lane. The law states that the operator of a moving vehicle "*shall* drive in the *right* hand lane unless the operator is: (1)passing another vehicle." Pretty plain, if you are in the left lane and going the same speed as vehicles in the right, then you are not passing, so you are obliged to move to the right. I bet that if kimmygirl is in the left lane and approaches a slower vehicle in that lane she certainly expects them to move over so she can speed on her merry way. |
Dwight Stewart wrote:
"JJ" wrote: Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: 1. When pavement markings prohibit driving on the left (a "No Passing Zone"). 2. When there are two or more traffic lanes in one direction. (In other words, don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words) Give up on it, JJ. I saw that section too, but it refers to driving on the opposite side of the highway (note the "left half of the road" above), not driving in the left lane of a multiple-lane highway (in the left lane of multiple-lane highway, you wouldn't be on the left half of the overall road). There simply doesn't appear to be a "left lane only for passing" law in Texas. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Suggest you read 545.051 of the law in my previous post. |
"JJ" wrote:
Here is what I found in Chapter 6 of The Texas Driver's Handbook, page 62...quote: KEEP TO THE RIGHT NEVER drive on the left half of the road in the following instances: 1. When pavement markings prohibit driving on the left (a "No Passing Zone"). 2. When there are two or more traffic lanes in one direction. (In other words, don't "drive" in the left lane/s...my words) Give up on it, JJ. I saw that section too, but it refers to driving on the opposite side of the highway (note the "left half of the road" above), not driving in the left lane of a multiple-lane highway (in the left lane of multiple-lane highway, you wouldn't be on the left half of the overall road). There simply doesn't appear to be a "left lane only for passing" law in Texas. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
JJ, sounds like you found something that contradicts what Dwight found, and vice versa. (snip) Not really. Read my reply to his message. He simply misinterpreted what was being said. The point is, there is nothing that my husband or I have been able to find in the TAC (Texas Administrative Code)--which would be the *LAW*. The manual and words like "should," etc., are not laws--they are suggestions. (snip) The drivers handbook was written by a government agency to provide guidence and simplify the laws within Texas. If something is in that handbook as a "must," you can be fairly certain there is a law somewhere to back it up. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"JJ" wrote in message ... Dee D. Flint wrote: "JJ" wrote in message ... Kim W5TIT wrote: Simple 'nuff, find a *LAW* and I'll accept that it is illegal to drive in left lanes, otherwise, you're allowing yourself to be impressioned for the benefit of winning a side to an argument--which, of course, I am also. Seems I'm winning, though... Not so fast tits. Law, JJ, not suggestions, not a manual, not someone's (as in the circumstance with your submitted commentary) interpretation, but law. Here is the response I received from Bud Kennedy, the author of the article. Hi Bill, Thanks for your note. Your friend obviously thinks she knows everything, so she probably will think she knows more than the law or the DPS. - (boy does he have you pegged - jj) I quoted the law in the column. It's from 545.051 -- http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statu...tr0054500.html +(b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, unless the operator is: +(1) passing another vehicle; or +(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. This law is not defined by the speed limit. It is defined by the "normal speed of other vehicles." In other words, if you're driving slower than other drivers, you "shall" move over. Write again or anytime --Bud Well Kim has several times stated that she was driving at the normal speed of the other drivers in the lane. So your quotation makes Kim correct. That a single individual wants to drive much faster than the rest of the traffic does not make Kim wrong for not moving. She may or may not be unwise depending on the overall circumstances but from this quotation is not doing anything illegal. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE It should be obvious to the most casual of observers that if you are in the left lane and other traffic is attempting to go faster than you are, even if you are driving the normal speed, speeding, or whatever, you are obliged to move to the right lane to let the faster traffic pass. That is stated pretty plainly. Even if you are going the same speed of the vehicles in the right lane, you cannot block faster traffic in the left lane. The law states that the operator of a moving vehicle "*shall* drive in the *right* hand lane unless the operator is: (1)passing another vehicle." Pretty plain, if you are in the left lane and going the same speed as vehicles in the right, then you are not passing, so you are obliged to move to the right. I bet that if kimmygirl is in the left lane and approaches a slower vehicle in that lane she certainly expects them to move over so she can speed on her merry way. You are being deliberately obtuse. Kim repeatedly stated that she was going the same speed as the other cars in the lane that she was in not the lanes to her right. She was going with the normal flow of traffic in the lane she was in. It should be obvious to the most casual observer that she was not blocking traffic in the left lane as she was going at the speed of the traffic in that lane. That ONE car tries to force her to move over does not constitute impeding the flow of traffic as the blockhead that is trying to get her to move over will have to attempt the same maneuver with all the other cars in the lane. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
You are being deliberately obtuse. Kim repeatedly stated that she was going the same speed as the other cars in the lane that she was in not the lanes to her right. She was going with the normal flow of traffic in the lane she was in. It should be obvious to the most casual observer that she was not blocking traffic in the left lane as she was going at the speed of the traffic in that lane. If other traffic behind her is attempting to go faster than she is, she *is* blocking traffic unless she is passing traffic in the right lane. That ONE car tries to force her to move over does not constitute impeding the flow of traffic as the blockhead that is trying to get her to move over will have to attempt the same maneuver with all the other cars in the lane. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Stop trying to make something complicated out of a simple Texas law. If kim or anyone else is in the left lane, they are obligated to move to the right for any faster traffic. The law plainly states that if you are in the left lane and not passing other traffic you should be in the right lane. As long as she is passing the other traffic in the right lane, then being in the left lane is where she should be, but as soon as she passes the traffic in the right lane she should move over to the right to let faster traffic pass. What is so hard for you and kim to understand about that? |
"JJ" wrote:
Suggest you read 545.051 of the law in my previous post. I've read it, JJ. Instead, I suggest you read it again because you've misinterpreted what it says. Section 545.051(a) refers to driving on the opposite side of the highway - the side for traffic traveling in the opposite direction. Section 545.051(b) refers to driving in the right lane if moving slower than other traffic. But, again, absolutely nothing says the left lane is only for passing - nothing says a person can't drive in the left lane on a multiple-lane highway when not interfering with the flow of traffic. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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