I've thought about that too. But, how would we hold them responsible -
stupidity isn't a crime in this country? Letting a child sleep with an adult
is certainly stupid, but we'd have to prove more than that to actually hold
the parents responsible. And I can't think of anything specific in the laws
we can apply to the parents in this case. Child endangerment is the only
thing that comes close, but I don't even think that would fly. To convict,
you'd have to show the parents should have known there was a clear and
present danger. Since JUST sleeping with an adult is not illegal, that may
be a tough case to prove. Anyway, since you said "something" in the first
paragraph (not anything specific), perhaps you're having the same problem
I'm having.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

Dwight:

Any adult, other than a parent, sleeping with a child is just plain sick --
period, End Of Story. Even in the case of parents, it is definitely not a good
idea and should be discouraged to the greatest extent possible, although
there are occasional, and rare, times when it may be OK to comfort the
child in unusual circumstances causing emotional stress.

Any parent permitting their child to attend "Neverland" ranch, with it's
accused child molester and world-famous weirdo in residence, is simply
exercising nothing less than a criminal level of negligence. Criminal
charges should be sought against the parents of the 12-year old boy in
question, and he should be immediately removed from that home and
placed in protective custody in a registered foster care facility.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote

Even in the case of parents, it is definitely not a good
idea and should be discouraged to the greatest extent possible...

Larry,

When you become a parent I suspect you'll change your mind. Obviously there
is an age where it is not longer appropriate, but I can assure you without
reservation that having a couple of fresh bathed toddlers in 'jammies' warm
from the dryer snuggle into bed between you and your spouse is one of the
most beautiful rewards of parenthood that you could imagine. Until they
were school age, we always let our kids to feel free to leave their beds and
clamber in with us if the mood struck them. Didn't need to be some dire
need of comfort from emotional stress.

73, Hans, K0HB

In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:


Even in the case of parents, it is definitely not a good
idea and should be discouraged to the greatest extent possible...

Larry,

When you become a parent I suspect you'll change your mind. Obviously there
is an age where it is not longer appropriate, but I can assure you without
reservation that having a couple of fresh bathed toddlers in 'jammies' warm
from the dryer snuggle into bed between you and your spouse is one of the
most beautiful rewards of parenthood that you could imagine. Until they
were school age, we always let our kids to feel free to leave their beds and
clamber in with us if the mood struck them. Didn't need to be some dire
need of comfort from emotional stress.

73, Hans, K0HB

Hansl:

I am not a parent, and at my age I have my doubts that I'll ever be one.
I come from a very large family, and like about half of my brothers and
sisters, I guess I had enough child-rearing early in my life to make me
not particularly curious to do any of my own. Spending most of my
adult life moving from one country to another every year or two didn't
help much either. However, I don't think I am totally unqualified to make
a statement such as I did in the message you replied to. Children
belong in their own beds, period. I listen to radio talk show and
degreed, licensed family counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger all the time, and
she has addressed this issue many times, always stating the same thing
I did. Therefore, we will have to agree to disagree. All I know is, I never
slept in my parent's bed as a child, for any reason, and neither did any
of my 4 brothers or 4 sisters. Quite frankly, I don't know anyone who
ever did.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote'

I listen to radio talk show and degreed, licensed family
counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger all the time, and
she has addressed this issue many times, always
stating the same thing I did.


Larryl,

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. Dr. Laura is wrong, and
you're wrong. Colleen and I have 5 great, well adjusted children who prove
you flat wrong. You're a sibling, not a parent, and you don't have even a
trace of a clue.

Sunuvagun.

73, de Hans (no "L" in Hans)

KØHB wrote:

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote'


I listen to radio talk show and degreed, licensed family
counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger all the time, and
she has addressed this issue many times, always
stating the same thing I did.



Larryl,

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. Dr. Laura is wrong, and
you're wrong. Colleen and I have 5 great, well adjusted children who prove
you flat wrong. You're a sibling, not a parent, and you don't have even a
trace of a clue.

Dr Laura is an entertainer. I was entertained by her show for about 2 weeks.

Gotta wonder about the people that call her. (if indeed they are real
people) If they are real, the first diagnosis is that they are masochists.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote

degreed, licensed family counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger
all the time

OBTW, Larryl, I should point out that one of our daughters, Gretchen, is
also a "degreed, licensed" child counsellor, and she actually practices in
the real world as opposed to chatting about it on the radio. And her three
little tykes are regularly found in the same bed with their parents. Sorry,
Larryl, but in this discussion you're kinda like someone arguing about Morse
code but has never learned it themselves.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:


"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote

degreed, licensed family counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger
all the time

OBTW, Larryl, I should point out that one of our daughters, Gretchen, is
also a "degreed, licensed" child counsellor, and she actually practices in
the real world as opposed to chatting about it on the radio. And her three
little tykes are regularly found in the same bed with their parents. Sorry,
Larryl, but in this discussion you're kinda like someone arguing about Morse
code but has never learned it themselves.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Well, Hansl, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

73 de Larryl, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

Any adult, other than a parent, sleeping
with a child is just plain sick -- period,
End Of Story. (snip)


You may think that, but it doesn't necessarily make it a crime. Something
more has to exist before it reaches that level. In the case of Michael
Jackson, it appears that something more did exist (making that a criminal
matter).


Even in the case of parents, it is definitely
not a good idea and should be discouraged
to the greatest extent possible, although
there are occasional, and rare, times when
it may be OK to comfort the child in unusual
circumstances causing emotional stress.


I have to agree with the others on this. I just don't see any real risks
associated with a young child sleeping a parent or parents.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in
link.net:

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

Any adult, other than a parent, sleeping
with a child is just plain sick -- period,
End Of Story. (snip)


You may think that, but it doesn't necessarily make it a crime.
Something
more has to exist before it reaches that level. In the case of Michael
Jackson, it appears that something more did exist (making that a
criminal matter).


Even in the case of parents, it is definitely
not a good idea and should be discouraged
to the greatest extent possible, although
there are occasional, and rare, times when
it may be OK to comfort the child in unusual circumstances causing
emotional stress.


I have to agree with the others on this. I just don't see any real
risks
associated with a young child sleeping a parent or parents.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/



I agree with the latter, although it is a nuisance when you can't get the
kids out of your bed, so not a good idea to encourage them. Any harm is
likely to be to the parents, not the kids!

Now, if one spouse is not a biological parent, that's potentially a
different ball game, but I won't go there.

I don't necessarily think that a child sleeping with a non-parent is
always a problem, but in Jacko's case the circumstances are highly
worrying and suspicious.

"Alun" wrote


Now, if one spouse is not a biological parent, that's potentially a
different ball game, but I won't go there.


Hell, I'll go there, because to not "go there" just panders to people with
twisted dirty little minds who think "something must be going on there".
Just to make it interesting, let's say that the child is adopted. Those of
us who are parents (and I think most who aren't parents) understand the
unconditional love parents have for their children, be they "natural",
"step", or "adopted". Until the very recent past, perhaps less than 150
years in this country, and much more recent than that in less developed
parts of the world, families didn't live in 3 and 4 bedroom homes where each
person had their own "space". Not only did Dad and Mom and the kids sleep
in the same place, but also Grandpa and Grandma and the occasional cousin or
Auntie or Uncle who might be without their own nuclear family to spend the
night with. Dr. Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some
people live today in places outside her privileged neighborhood.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB