"K=D8HB" wrote in message

[Robert Hanssen's] family lives on a comfortable federal pension at o=
ur
expense. (If I'm ever convicted of a felony --- ANY felony, let al=
one
TREASON --- my family will see zippo-squat-nothing of my federal pens=
ion.)

Remember that a civilian pension is an annuity that the employee
BUYS (is not "given") with after-tax money contributions. After
five years of service, the employee is entitled to the annuity
based on number of years of service and last 3-year high salary.

UNLESS the employee is convicted of treason, the Federal Civil
Service pension annuity must be paid regardless of other criminal
convictions and penalties.

If Hanssen was convicted of treason, the annutity would not be paid
whether he was granted probation/parole, served time or was executed.
If he was executed for some crime other than treason the annutity
would be have to be paid to his surviving spouse.

Your military pension may be different (you may not have been
required to make contributions, for instance) and may have
different terms of retention.

I don't want to hear about any "inside reasons".

I agree though - Hanssen got off very easy - probably because he
knew where important counter-espionage bones were buried and a plea
bargain was the only legal way to get the info from him. So much
for "inside reasons".

Now back to our regular code/nocode bashing.....

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

"Jim Hampton" wrote:

Although way off topic (as are many threads
here), I couldn't resist this one.


Obviously, I couldn't resist the topic either (it appears the same is true
for others). And, yes, it is certainly off-topic. However, I hope there is
room in this newgroup for less formal discussions also. After all, as ham
operators, we do like to talk, in some way or another, with others. However,
for those who are not interested, I made sure the topic was very clear in
the subject line so they can easily skip the discussion.


(snip) I'll grant the one arguement that will
come up - there will be folks out to make
money. (snip)


Oh, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. Lawyer fees. Advertising for
the news organizations. Lawsuits. Book deals. Interviews. The lecture
circuit. Paparazzi. The tabloids. Money is going to be flying everywhere.


Personally, I think the guy is right off his rocker,
but the name of the game should be to protect
society (especially kids). (snip)


Yep. That's why I tried to avoid anything outside that in my original
message. If the guy wants to sleep in an oxygen tent (or not), more power to
him (even if I do think it's a little strange).


(snip) I believe, and please correct me if I am
wrong, that he was never married until that mess
10 years ago or so. Suddenly, he gets married.
And divorced. And ... so on and so on.


I also found his sudden desire to get married somewhat questionable.


I totally agree with your accessment as to
classic symptoms of a pedophile. Neverland
should be renamed Never - Ever land. Why
just the kids and not the whole family? (snip)


I've always been interested in detective mysteries (in the Sherlock Holmes
style), so have read a lot (both fiction and non-fiction) on the subject of
criminals and law enforcement. Based on what I've read, Michael Jackson
seems to fit the classic picture of a pedophile.


Sorry for the long ramblings. I suspect, as do
you, that this case is going to be another media
circus court case. (snip)


What you wrote was well thought out, so was a joy to read. As for the
media circus, this case may reach an all time high (or low depending on your
perspective).


If he isn't convicted, how old do these characters
get before their libido finally slows down? (snip)


Based on what I've read, quite old. Note that we're talking about a
diverse group here. Not all pedophiles seek actual sexual intercourse with
children. Some limit their activities to just looking at images of, or
photographing, young children. Others prefer to touch or fondle children or
have children touch or fondle them, but may never go beyond that. And, of
course, some are seeking sexual intercourse. Whatever the case, the sex
drive tends to mirror the sex drive of a normal person. In general, attempts
at actual sexual intercourse tends to slow down by the late thirties to
early fifties, but fondling and touching may continue for many years after
that. Some pedophiles have been arrested in their seventies or even
eighties.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

(N2EY) wrote in
:

In article .net,
"KØHB" writes:

"Alun" wrote


Now, if one spouse is not a biological parent, that's potentially a
different ball game, but I won't go there.


Hell, I'll go there, because to not "go there" just panders to people
with twisted dirty little minds who think "something must be going on
there". Just to make it interesting, let's say that the child is
adopted. Those of us who are parents (and I think most who aren't
parents) understand the unconditional love parents have for their
children, be they "natural", "step", or "adopted".

Yup.

Of course, there are a notorious few who abuse children. They are the
rare exception, not the rule.

Until the very recent past, perhaps less than 150
years in this country, and much more recent than that in less developed
parts of the world, families didn't live in 3 and 4 bedroom homes where
each person had their own "space". Not only did Dad and Mom and the
kids sleep in the same place, but also Grandpa and Grandma and the
occasional cousin or Auntie or Uncle who might be without their own
nuclear family to spend the night with.

Yup.

And due to all sorts of diseases and the risks of childbirth, "blended
families" were extremely common. In some cases, the youngest children
in a family would have no blood relation to the oldest ones.

The concept of the "nuclear family" is extremely new.

Here's another situation for you: Lots of people I know go tent camping
with their kids. One tent per family. Bunch of sleeping bags on the
floor of the tent, or in the back of the minivan. Not exactly "the same
bed" but not much privacy either.

Are all those folks damaging their kids? I don't think so!

Dr. Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some people
live today in places outside her privileged neighborhood.

"Dr." Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some
people live today in places *inside* her privileged neighborhood.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Well, you know, we go camping all in one tent. There are partitions, but
they are only made of canvas. It's private enough when the kids are
asleep, though. For that matter, even if you are in different tents you
can hear everything. I imagine that where everyone shares one room it's a
matter of waiting until everyone is asleep and being very quiet.

Alun wrote:
(N2EY) wrote in
:


In article .net,
"KØHB" writes:


"Alun" wrote


Now, if one spouse is not a biological parent, that's potentially a
different ball game, but I won't go there.


Hell, I'll go there, because to not "go there" just panders to people
with twisted dirty little minds who think "something must be going on
there". Just to make it interesting, let's say that the child is
adopted. Those of us who are parents (and I think most who aren't
parents) understand the unconditional love parents have for their
children, be they "natural", "step", or "adopted".

Yup.

Of course, there are a notorious few who abuse children. They are the
rare exception, not the rule.


Until the very recent past, perhaps less than 150
years in this country, and much more recent than that in less developed
parts of the world, families didn't live in 3 and 4 bedroom homes where
each person had their own "space". Not only did Dad and Mom and the
kids sleep in the same place, but also Grandpa and Grandma and the
occasional cousin or Auntie or Uncle who might be without their own
nuclear family to spend the night with.

Yup.

And due to all sorts of diseases and the risks of childbirth, "blended
families" were extremely common. In some cases, the youngest children
in a family would have no blood relation to the oldest ones.

The concept of the "nuclear family" is extremely new.

Here's another situation for you: Lots of people I know go tent camping
with their kids. One tent per family. Bunch of sleeping bags on the
floor of the tent, or in the back of the minivan. Not exactly "the same
bed" but not much privacy either.

Are all those folks damaging their kids? I don't think so!


Dr. Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some people
live today in places outside her privileged neighborhood.

"Dr." Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some
people live today in places *inside* her privileged neighborhood.

73 de Jim, N2EY



Well, you know, we go camping all in one tent. There are partitions, but
they are only made of canvas. It's private enough when the kids are
asleep, though. For that matter, even if you are in different tents you
can hear everything. I imagine that where everyone shares one room it's a
matter of waiting until everyone is asleep and being very quiet.

Oy! I had to chuckle when I read that, Alun! Quiet? I mean I guess that
must happen, but I think I'll opt for privacy. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

WA8ULX wrote:

So far, everyone except Bruce, Kim, and yourself has recognized that
fact and has replied accordingly.



Who cares Larry, the guy is a FRUIT CAKE.

I think you just insulted the fruit cake.

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:


Y'know what, Larry? Phuck (HansTM) you and your patriarchal high horse you
ride around on. I owe *you* nor anyone else, *but* possibly Dwight, an
apology. I can nearly guarantee you that Dwight would know that I was not
commenting on the part about his brother. Now sit the phuck down and shut
the phuck up.

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

I neither stand nor speak while I'm typing at my computer keyboard.
And you're still a childish, boorish, ignorant person. You screwed up
and you'll never admit it, because you are totally self-centered. Whether
Dwight took offense or not, others have -- and that is what you should
be apologizing for. However, you're too self-centered to ever be able
to figure that out. You're pitiful.

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:


"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote

degreed, licensed family counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger
all the time

OBTW, Larryl, I should point out that one of our daughters, Gretchen, is
also a "degreed, licensed" child counsellor, and she actually practices in
the real world as opposed to chatting about it on the radio. And her three
little tykes are regularly found in the same bed with their parents. Sorry,
Larryl, but in this discussion you're kinda like someone arguing about Morse
code but has never learned it themselves.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Well, Hansl, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

73 de Larryl, K3LT

Well, I notice you keep reading...

Kim W5TIT


"Arf! Arf!" wrote in message
.. .
What the hell does this bull**** have to do with ham radio? Ever heard
of a FAQ for this group?

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:


Dr. Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some
people live today in places outside her privileged neighborhood.

"Dr." Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some
people live today in places *inside* her privileged neighborhood.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Whew! Definitely. That woman is so far detached from reality it's
scarey...

Kim W5TIT

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
et...
Alun wrote:

Well, you know, we go camping all in one tent. There are partitions, but
they are only made of canvas. It's private enough when the kids are
asleep, though. For that matter, even if you are in different tents you
can hear everything. I imagine that where everyone shares one room it's
a
matter of waiting until everyone is asleep and being very quiet.

Oy! I had to chuckle when I read that, Alun! Quiet? I mean I guess that
must happen, but I think I'll opt for privacy. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -


ROFLMAO! TMI, Mike, TMI!!!!

Kim W5TIT