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From: Brian )
Subject: ARRL you can Kiss my $39.00 a Year Good Bye

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Date: 2003-09-19 11:30:16 PST


(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
Perhaps because the other poster didn't make a lot of assinine
assertions that are not substantiated by facts, Brain.

The ARS has improved since 1984. That's plain for everyone to see.

Then where does all this "Ham Radio Is Going To Hell" traffic
come from, Brain? Mostly from trolls, you and Lennie.

You may refer to "fact" in Websters to find out what they are,
Brain...You DO seem to have a problem with the concept.

Not at all. As Ronald Reagan said, "Facts are stupid things."

I'd expect notning less from you, Brain...You're nothing if not
consistent.

Thanks.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, not my fault that Ron said it, and I liked Ron. But his quote
applied in your declaration that amateur radio has not improved since
1984.

That is not fact.

UNQUOTE.


Sorry I missed this before!

Brain, how in the WORLD did YOU come up with the assertion that
I said that Amateur Radio has not improved since 1984...?!?!

You really ARE the idiot I imagined!

Just one more mangled episode of cranial flatulence on your part,
Brain. I'm just sorry I missed it the first time, however it's also
one more example of why I take great fun in sarcastically calling you
"Brain".

Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving...And by the way, when Mrs
Brain says something like "It's time to carve the turkey", don't sweat
it...she's talking about the bird on the table...not the one sitting
next to her...

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

73, Hans, K0HB

In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

What about Wesley Clark?

73 de Jim, N2EY

"KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

73, Hans, K0HB

McCain failed. He got captured.

I really question everyone calling that scenario a hero, and
definitely not Commander-in-Chief material.

"N2EY" wrote

What about Wesley Clark?

I don't trust him. He seems to have problems keeping his stories straight.

I worked for Senator McCains dad, Admiral John McCain II, when he was
CincPAC and John III was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton. Later I worked for
Capt Dick Stratton, a fellow 'guest' in Hanoi, and met John III on a couple
of occasions. Him, I trust.

73, Hans, K0HB

"Brian" wrote


He got captured.


Yup, he was a long time guest at Hanoi Hilton, and Dubya couldn't quite seem
to figure out where his National Guard unit was located.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Brian" wrote

GW's daddy visited the troops in Somalia after he lost the election.

GW's Dad is the authentic article. His son doesn't measure up to the
standards he set.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

That's why ya get to voice your choice again in 11 months, Hans.

Be there or be square.

Steve, K4YZ

In article k.net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

What about Wesley Clark?

I don't trust him. He seems to have problems keeping his stories straight.

I worked for Senator McCains dad, Admiral John McCain II, when he was
CincPAC and John III was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton. Later I worked for
Capt Dick Stratton, a fellow 'guest' in Hanoi, and met John III on a couple
of occasions. Him, I trust.

Fair enough!

73 de Jim, N2EY

"KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Brian" wrote

GW's daddy visited the troops in Somalia after he lost the election.

GW's Dad is the authentic article. His son doesn't measure up to the
standards he set.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Perhaps. But he is much closer to the mark than Clinton.

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...
"Brian" wrote


He got captured.


Yup, he was a long time guest at Hanoi Hilton, and Dubya couldn't quite seem
to figure out where his National Guard unit was located.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

McCain can't remember which political party he belongs to.

"Phil Kane" wrote in message t.net...
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:21:32 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I think it was a hell of a good thing to do. It showed the ragheads he has
the gonads, and is willing to put it out in front.

There are better ways to show the Habibi that we can kick the
charra out of them, such as by doing it. My people did it in '67
(MY war).

Phil, when did you become an American citizen? Or haven't you?

Simon Schuluster wrote:

"Phil Kane" wrote in message


"There's no business like show business....."
How much did that little stunt cost in planning and expenses for


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In article ,
(Brian) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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And to our service people - spending next Thanksgiving with their families
at
home.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Jim, do you know how impossible your wish is?

Brian, do you know how bad your English is?

A thing is either possible or impossible.

A lot of things once considered "impossible" have become reality.

Live with it.

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Blowhard libs have tried soooo hard to wreck this country.

So have blowhard conservatives.

They've nearly succeeded,

How is this country "wrecked", compared to how things used to be?

but there are still a few people who give a damn
about America, and GW is one of them.

There are lots of others, including many who disagree with Mr. Bush.

It's the methods, not the person.

"Alun" wrote in message
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(N2EY) wrote in news:20031129115807.23307.00004755@mb-
m29.aol.com:

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Blowhard libs have tried soooo hard to wreck this country.

So have blowhard conservatives.

They've nearly succeeded,

How is this country "wrecked", compared to how things used to be?

but there are still a few people who give a damn about America, and GW
is one of them.

There are lots of others, including many who disagree with Mr. Bush.

It's the methods, not the person.






Well, I'm a foreigner in your country, but you can't deny that the economy
boomed under Clinton and is now on it's knees.


The "Clinton boom" was a result of the building economy from the previous
administrations. The fall in the economy is a result of various economic
issues that developed in the latter part of the Clinton administration and
only began to be felt after he left office. I'm not blaming anyone mind you
but the economy started tanking right after the change in administration
BEFORE the whammy from 9/11 and the current administration hadn't yet
changed anything. The economy as a whole takes time to react. You have to
examine the several preceding years to find the causes not the current year.

I'm not fond of the present government, but mainly for other reasons.
Civil liberties and John Ashcroft, mostly.

All in all, I can't really think of anything GW Bush has done domestically
that is anything to shout about. Tax cuts for the rich. Deficit spending.
I'm really trying to think of anything good (honestly), but nothing comes
to mind.


The tax cuts went to the people paying taxes. How can you give cuts to
people who don't pay.

As for the war, why open that can of worms? Yes, Saddam is/was a very bad
guy. Do I beleive the reasons given for going to war? No. And yes, Blair
went along with it, but I don't like him a lot either.

... but then I'm an anti-code test liberal, so what did you expect?

However, I actually do think it was a nice gesture for Dubbya to go to
Baghdad for Thanksgiving.


Agree 100%. A leader shows his people that they are important. And that
was the purpose of his trip.


I'm sure this post will draw the usual 'love it or leave it' garbage from
at least someone, but never mind. I can take it.

Not from me that's for sure. We all have the right to work to make it
better even if we don't agree on what "better" is.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"KØHB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

73, Hans, K0HB





If he is such an 'idiot' and McCain is so smart...then how come the 'idiot'
is the President?

Oh, I know. The Republicans stole the election, right?

Lets not even go down that street again.

Dan/W4NTI

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article k.net,
"KØHB"
writes:

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

What about Wesley Clark?

73 de Jim, N2EY


Wesley Clark reminds me of Admiral Stockdale.

Dan/W4NTI

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article k.net,
"KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

What about Wesley Clark?

I don't trust him. He seems to have problems keeping his stories
straight.

I worked for Senator McCains dad, Admiral John McCain II, when he was
CincPAC and John III was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton. Later I worked for
Capt Dick Stratton, a fellow 'guest' in Hanoi, and met John III on a
couple
of occasions. Him, I trust.

Fair enough!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Well I don't trust a man that can't figure out what party he is in.

McCain is a Republican in name only.

Dan/W4NTI

"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

73, Hans, K0HB

McCain failed. He got captured.

I really question everyone calling that scenario a hero, and
definitely not Commander-in-Chief material.

I disagree with that comment Brian. He didn't fail. The government failed
him by forcing the pilots to fly the pocket. No deviation. No way to not
get hit. It was stupid. All McCain did was follow orders.

Dan/W4NTI

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
om...
(Brian) wrote in message
. com...
"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote

I think it's great we FINALLY have a Commander-in-Chief
that makes you proud to render that salute again.

Speak for yourself. Dubya is an idiot. John McCain should be
Commander-in-Chief.

73, Hans, K0HB

McCain failed. He got captured.

I really question everyone calling that scenario a hero, and
definitely not Commander-in-Chief material.

Getting caught..?!?! perhaps not.

The "Commander-in-Chief" material comes from the strength of
character it took to not fold to interrogator's deamnds, to have not
lost faith with his comrades, and that he came home alive despite the
ordeal.

Yes...John McCain is an American Hero. Several times over...

And MY respect for the current Commander-in-Chief comes from the
fact that, wether you agree with him or not, when he's in the news,
it's about the business of the nation...Not who he's "doing" on the
sly or what nefarious deals his spouse is engaged in.

Had Billary stood up to the first accusations against him
(protesting the Viet Nam war while in England) and said, "Yes, I
protested the war. It was my right to do so as a citizen", even the
most right-wing Hawks would have had to give him credit as being
truthful. He didn't...he tried to lie his way out of it and was
proven to be a liar. Every SUBSEQUENT accusation that erupted also
had the opportunity for him to "stand up" and be counted, but he tried
to lie his way out of those, too.

Our present Commander-in-Chief may not be the smoothest orator or
do everything "right", but I have far greater respect for a man who
can try, fail, and admit to it than one who tries to lie his way out
of his actions.

Steve, K4YZ

Exactly....if that Klintoon Klown would have showed a bit of back bone, and
slapped the crap out of Hillary he would have earned my respect.

I remember how he treated the military....and how the vets turned their
backs on him at Arlington. Etc. Etc.

Now we have a man in charge. Not perfect, but a man none the less.

Dan/W4NTI

"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"Brian" wrote

GW's daddy visited the troops in Somalia after he lost the election.

GW's Dad is the authentic article. His son doesn't measure up to the
standards he set.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Perhaps. But he is much closer to the mark than Clinton.

Or Gore, or Hillary, or ....etc.

Dan/W4NTI

"Alun" wrote in message
...
(N2EY) wrote in news:20031129115807.23307.00004755@mb-
m29.aol.com:

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Blowhard libs have tried soooo hard to wreck this country.

So have blowhard conservatives.

They've nearly succeeded,

How is this country "wrecked", compared to how things used to be?

but there are still a few people who give a damn about America, and GW
is one of them.

There are lots of others, including many who disagree with Mr. Bush.

It's the methods, not the person.






Well, I'm a foreigner in your country, but you can't deny that the economy
boomed under Clinton and is now on it's knees.

I'm not fond of the present government, but mainly for other reasons.
Civil liberties and John Ashcroft, mostly.

All in all, I can't really think of anything GW Bush has done domestically
that is anything to shout about. Tax cuts for the rich. Deficit spending.
I'm really trying to think of anything good (honestly), but nothing comes
to mind.

As for the war, why open that can of worms? Yes, Saddam is/was a very bad
guy. Do I beleive the reasons given for going to war? No. And yes, Blair
went along with it, but I don't like him a lot either.

... but then I'm an anti-code test liberal, so what did you expect?

However, I actually do think it was a nice gesture for Dubbya to go to
Baghdad for Thanksgiving.

I'm sure this post will draw the usual 'love it or leave it' garbage from
at least someone, but never mind. I can take it.

The economy was taking a downturn BEFORE Clinton got out of office. The
economic policy of the Clinton presidency was what ??? Right, there was
none. He was riding on the coat tails of Reagan/Bush one.

Has everyone forgotten about 9/11? We are at war. Or has that little
detail been forgotten also?

It was not our choice to have some ragheads plow three jets into buildings,
and one into the ground and kill nearly 3000 innocents. Some of which were
MUSLIM.

But it is our choice how to respond. If you think Sadam didn't have
anything to do with it. Let me sell you a bridge in NYC.

Dan/W4NTI

On 28 Nov 2003 19:34:38 -0800, Brian wrote:

Lowest Common Denominator. That, more than anything else, will
wreck this country.

Blowhard libs have tried soooo hard to wreck this country.

That lets me off the hook - I'm certainly not one of them.

They've
nearly succeeded, but there are still a few people who give a damn
about America, and GW is one of them.

He's a living example of the Lowest Common Denominator -= no class
at all.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On 28 Nov 2003 21:03:22 -0800, Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:

Phil, after 8 years of dealing with a president who was willing
to commit our Armed Forces to battle without giving a drat about
"them", it's a breath of fresh air to have one who would do this.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Clinton was a bozo. GW is a bozo.
I wish that we could have voted "none of thr above" both times.

As my overseas friends say "is this the best that you could come up
with?"

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 03:58:32 GMT, K=D8HB wrote:

I worked for Senator McCains dad, Admiral John McCain II, when he was
CincPAC and John III was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton. Later I worked f=
or
Capt Dick Stratton, a fellow 'guest' in Hanoi, and met John III on a c=
ouple
of occasions. Him, I trust.

My kid brother, who is active in Republican politics in Arizona,
agrees with your assessment. HIM I trust also.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On 29 Nov 2003 05:22:38 -0800, Brian wrote:

McCain can't remember which political party he belongs to.

That's why I trust him.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 02:00:41 GMT, Jim Hampton wrote:

Heheheeee ... Phil, I know you're an attourney and I suspect you have tried
a couple of cases in your lifetime. Yep, there are two sides to every
story.

(good story on selective assessment clipped)

Lovely country, eh?

Of course the other side of the coin is where the voters get fed up
with paying for what they expect the state and local governments to
give them and enact a cap on property tax increases which also
includes a provision that when a property changes hands out of the
immediate family it is assessed at the sale price. California calls
this Proposition 13 and Oregon calls it Measure 5. We got whacked
when my family bought a house in California before the provision
went in but after the cut-off date when the assessments were
"referenced back". For 10 years we lived in a house that was
identical in size, age, and condition to the house next door, and we
paid twice as much taxes as they did.

Lovely country. eh ? You're so right.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On 29 Nov 2003 05:28:10 -0800, Brian wrote:

Phil, when did you become an American citizen? Or haven't you?

Rest assured that I am one. Detailed answer sent by e-mail.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Alun wrote in message . ..
(N2EY) wrote in news:20031129115807.23307.00004755@mb-
m29.aol.com:

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Blowhard libs have tried soooo hard to wreck this country.

So have blowhard conservatives.

They've nearly succeeded,

How is this country "wrecked", compared to how things used to be?

but there are still a few people who give a damn about America, and GW
is one of them.

There are lots of others, including many who disagree with Mr. Bush.

It's the methods, not the person.






Well, I'm a foreigner in your country, but you can't deny that the economy
boomed under Clinton and is now on it's knees.

I'm not fond of the present government, but mainly for other reasons.
Civil liberties and John Ashcroft, mostly.

All in all, I can't really think of anything GW Bush has done domestically
that is anything to shout about. Tax cuts for the rich. Deficit spending.
I'm really trying to think of anything good (honestly), but nothing comes
to mind.

As for the war, why open that can of worms? Yes, Saddam is/was a very bad
guy. Do I beleive the reasons given for going to war? No. And yes, Blair
went along with it, but I don't like him a lot either.

... but then I'm an anti-code test liberal, so what did you expect?

However, I actually do think it was a nice gesture for Dubbya to go to
Baghdad for Thanksgiving.

I'm sure this post will draw the usual 'love it or leave it' garbage from
at least someone, but never mind. I can take it.

Do you really believe that Clinton had anything to do with the
economy?

I think if Clinton had come in to office with the economy waning and a
terrorist attack around the corner he would have performed extremely
poorly.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
hlink.net:


"Alun" wrote in message
...
(N2EY) wrote in news:20031129115807.23307.00004755@mb-
m29.aol.com:

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Blowhard libs have tried soooo hard to wreck this country.

So have blowhard conservatives.

They've nearly succeeded,

How is this country "wrecked", compared to how things used to be?

but there are still a few people who give a damn about America, and
GW is one of them.

There are lots of others, including many who disagree with Mr. Bush.

It's the methods, not the person.






Well, I'm a foreigner in your country, but you can't deny that the
economy boomed under Clinton and is now on it's knees.

I'm not fond of the present government, but mainly for other reasons.
Civil liberties and John Ashcroft, mostly.

All in all, I can't really think of anything GW Bush has done
domestically that is anything to shout about. Tax cuts for the rich.
Deficit spending. I'm really trying to think of anything good
(honestly), but nothing comes to mind.

As for the war, why open that can of worms? Yes, Saddam is/was a very
bad guy. Do I beleive the reasons given for going to war? No. And yes,
Blair went along with it, but I don't like him a lot either.

... but then I'm an anti-code test liberal, so what did you expect?

However, I actually do think it was a nice gesture for Dubbya to go to
Baghdad for Thanksgiving.

I'm sure this post will draw the usual 'love it or leave it' garbage
from at least someone, but never mind. I can take it.

The economy was taking a downturn BEFORE Clinton got out of office.
The economic policy of the Clinton presidency was what ??? Right,
there was none. He was riding on the coat tails of Reagan/Bush one.

Has everyone forgotten about 9/11? We are at war. Or has that little
detail been forgotten also?

It was not our choice to have some ragheads plow three jets into
buildings, and one into the ground and kill nearly 3000 innocents.
Some of which were MUSLIM.

But it is our choice how to respond. If you think Sadam didn't have
anything to do with it. Let me sell you a bridge in NYC.

Dan/W4NTI




Just because I think he had nothing to do with it doesn't mean I'm in the
market to buy the Brooklyn Bridge. Quite the reverse, in fact. It's a bad
mistake to automatically assume that two bad guys who happen to have
nominally the same religion and live in roughly the same region are in
league together. They had their own agendas. It's just too easy to lump
all arabs together, but the middlle East is just more complicated than
that.

In article k.net,
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

If he is such an 'idiot' and McCain is so smart...then how come the 'idiot'
is the President?

Oh, I know. The Republicans stole the election, right?

Nope.

The person you have to thank or blame is Ralph Nader. By splitting the support
for Gore, he managed to put Dubya in the Oval Office.

Talk about irony - the author of "Unsafe At Any Speed" managed to put a Texas
oil man in the White House.

Exit polls across the nation during the 2000 election showed that the following
response when asked what they would have done if Nader had not run, or had
quit:

About 1/4 said they'd vote for Bush
About 1/4 said they'd stay home, vote for another 3rd part candidate, etc.
About 1/2 said they'd vote for Gore.

Ralph got about 3 million votes across the country, so if 750,000 had gone for
Bush and 1.5 million for Gore, it would have been a very different election.
State-by-state analysis shows that several close states - particularly Florida
- would have been solid for Gore.

The situation was similar to what Perot did, only this time the Republicans
were the beneficiaries.

Thanks, Ralph

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 30 Nov 2003 04:24:46 -0800, Brian wrote:

I never did see the pictures of Dr. Laura...

You didn't miss anything.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 06:58:49 -0500, Brett wrote:

And it could very well delay a new artificial limb for my friend
who was on board the USS LIBERTY

The same USS LIBERTY about which the United States National
Security Agency told the Israeli Kirya (the equivalent of the
Pentagon) THREE TIMES "it's not ours" even after the second time
the Israelis warned the Pentagon that "if it isn't yours we are going
to blast it out of the water"?

The same USS LIBERTY that, when the Mirages came over to assess the
damage caused by the first strike, THEN showed the US flag and the
Mirages pulled back.

The same USS LIBERTY about which the US government has never come
clean about the cover-up with either the public or the troops that
were aboard, and even in the release of the formerly-classified
communications transcripts a few months ago never 'fessed up to
their part in getting the ship attacked?

which was attacked by the JEWS.

Ah. now we are getting down to your agenda......

Don't bother to reply. It's not going to be read.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On 30 Nov 2003 08:39:47 -0800, N2EY wrote:

Hillary made a big show of going, so Dubya trumped her. Neat trick.

Another bozo.

Or bozoette?

It's accurate to call her that. I prefer the gender-neutral version ggg

Point is, she got trumped soundly by Dubya's move.

Serves her right.

"Forgotten heroes of a forgotten war" (from the song "And The Band
Played Waltzing Matilda")

Yup.

And to our service people - spending next Thanksgiving with their
families at home.

Amen, brother.

Regardless of politics or policies, our prayers and thoughts are with
them.

Mine also.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane