On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:33:25 -0500, "Kee Low Cycle"
wrote:


"JJ" wrote in message
...
Jose wrote:

You should really self-examine the hatred in your heart, especially
during this festive of seasons. Alfa-Tango International is the
licensing authority.

And it has no authority other than what it self subscribes. The FCC is
the only authority that can issue licenses to use the radio spectrum in
the U.S. and other countries have their own license structure.
Alfa-Tango International has no authority to issue licenses for any use
of the radio spectrum. It is just more "freeband" nonsense, and there is
no "freeband" in the U.S. as those frequencies you use as a "freeband"
are allocated to other services who have ligitimate licenses to use
those frequencies. You ATI license isn't worth the paper it is written
on and carries no authority whatsoever.



BBZZZZZZZZZT! Wrong answer Goofy.

And you just opened your No-Code Tech mouth and inserted your fat
foot into it. Although ATI is not recognized by the American FCC,
ATI is recognized by several foreign governments, especially in
South America & Central America. Go back to helping Ox chase
trucks. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL




Recognized as what? Which foreign goverments?

Lancer wrote:

And you just opened your No-Code Tech mouth and inserted your fat
foot into it. Although ATI is not recognized by the American FCC,
ATI is recognized by several foreign governments, especially in
South America & Central America. Go back to helping Ox chase
trucks. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL





Recognized as what? Which foreign goverments?

I ask basicly the same thing, which foreign countries, and to provide
documented proof that those foreign countries recognized those
"licenses", so far nothing from mr. kreep low cycle (just more cb
bluster). The ATI is just an international club and any "license/call
signs" issued carries no more authority to transmit on any frequency
then if the ARRL issued licenses.

"JEP" wrote in message
m...
I don't like ARRL because:

1) Membership price too high

Really?? Many local clubs charge anywhere from $20 to $30 and can't do a
whole lot for their members except maintain the local repeater.

2) Can't separate QST from membership

Why would you want to?

3) QST only counts as $15 of the $39 membership fee

Actually you are lucky that it counts as little as that. These days typical
magazines generally cost $3 to $4 an issue so they must be getting a good
break on the publishing.

4) Incentive licensing from the 60's

That was the FCC's idea not the ARRL's.

5) Ham radio is a dying hobby

There are more hams than ever before in history.

6) 5wpm Extras

So what. The very earliest requirements for licensing hams were, guess
what, 5wpm.

7) No value given for the money invested

Let's see. Ham radio would have remained closed after WWI if not for the
ARRL. They have managed to expand our HF and VHF frequencies. Battled,
athough sometimes unsuccessfully, to preserve our allocations. Have
lobbying power in Washinton. Convinced the FCC to come up with what is now
PRB-1, which gives hams some protection from restrictive city ordinances on
antenna height. They are now fighting BPL, which will tear up our HF bands
if implemented, and they are working on a bill in Congress to give hams
protection from restrictive covenants.

You have and will continue to benefit from the ARRL's work, all without
having contributed a dime.

8) No accountability of the board and Executive staff

They are accountable to the membership. Any member can challenge them. Any
member can get involved, run for a position, and work to change things.

9) Really doesn't represent the majority of hams (majority don't
belong)

That is not the ARRL's fault. They keep trying to recruit. That majority
of hams that don't belong don't belong to any other organization either nor
do they attempt to form an alternate organization.

10) Really no different than 'NRA', 'AARP', 'NAACP'. Take your money
and use it for their own agenda, NOT yours!

The agenda is set by the MEMBERS. Any time the MEMBERS do not like the
policies they can elect new officials. The agenda is based on what members
decide to push.


That is enough for a start.

Sorry to see '73' and Wayne Green exit publishing.
Sorry to see 'Ham Radio' exit publishing.

ex ARRL member


You obviously expected the ARRL to ignore all the other member's preferences
and expected them to have an agenda 100% tailored to your wants and
expectations. That doesn't happen in any organization. If you want them to
change, you have to get in there and work hard to get into the thick of the
action. Sitting on the sidelines and criticizing doesn't accomplish
anything.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

JEP wrote:


2) Can't separate QST from membership

Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST.
You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they
may carry it and you can read it for free.

JEP wrote:

I don't like ARRL because:

1) Membership price too high
2) Can't separate QST from membership
3) QST only counts as $15 of the $39 membership fee
4) Incentive licensing from the 60's
5) Ham radio is a dying hobby
6) 5wpm Extras
7) No value given for the money invested
8) No accountability of the board and Executive staff
9) Really doesn't represent the majority of hams (majority don't
belong)
10) Really no different than 'NRA', 'AARP', 'NAACP'. Take your money
and use it for their own agenda, NOT yours!

That is enough for a start.

Sorry to see '73' and Wayne Green exit publishing.
Sorry to see 'Ham Radio' exit publishing.

ex ARRL member


Don't tell us. Send it to:
Reply-to:
with your real email addy.

"JEP" wrote in message
m...
I don't like ARRL because:

1) Membership price too high
2) Can't separate QST from membership
3) QST only counts as $15 of the $39 membership fee
4) Incentive licensing from the 60's
5) Ham radio is a dying hobby
6) 5wpm Extras
7) No value given for the money invested
8) No accountability of the board and Executive staff
9) Really doesn't represent the majority of hams (majority don't
belong)
10) Really no different than 'NRA', 'AARP', 'NAACP'. Take your money
and use it for their own agenda, NOT yours!

That is enough for a start.

Sorry to see '73' and Wayne Green exit publishing.
Sorry to see 'Ham Radio' exit publishing.

ex ARRL member


Shouldda added "and a cheap whiner" after member. I am not going to waste
space replying to each of the above as that would mean that there was some
merit or better yet thought there. I run into the same rants from many of
the other organizations I belong to when it comes to membership and dues.
These people spout off their big mouths which have no shortage of hot air
....but part with a buck or two ....Katie bar the door .... I can take and
listen to criticism regarding any organization if the person was a member
and not a sap sucking leach-parasite. And yet the ARRL is for all hams.
Show me an organization anywhere that operates without funds and I'll show
you one that the few work their collective asses off for the benefit of the
remainder of the membership i.e. the parasites. So I guess ham radio should
collectively ask these tight-wad, freebie seeking, selfish, greedy and
non-sharing hams ......WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY ????.....expect moan
about crap that went under the bridge a long time ago, squeezing that nickel
till the Buffalo defecates and hide behind some initial name in the
newsgroup.

Take care, don't share and keep on spewing hot air ...

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa

"Louis C. LeVine" wrote in message
om...
This came from another radio group. They are doing a survey to find
out why some people do not like the ARRL. I don't like it because it
costs to much. If it were $10 a year I might consider joining.
Louis


I don't like them because the head bosses see themselves as self-appointed
gods of ham radio.... at least at one point in time they were trying to get
the FCC to hand over authority of the ham radio spectrum to them
entirely.

Clint

Hello Clint ....

Well the FCC handed over testing to VEC groups and we all know how the milk
of human honesty flows with that decision. Maybe if the ARRL did have
control of the "ham" spectrum we wouldn't be concerned about protecting our
turf from other interests. It is sort of ironic that the ARRL is becoming
in some way like the NRA in that it is soliciting monies to protect the
"bailiwick"

Ham radio Gods??? No more than the FCC is at present and I think I would
take Newington over Washington to give me more of a radio bang for my buck
.... albeit neither is perfect.

God Bless 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa


"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...

"Louis C. LeVine" wrote in message
om...
This came from another radio group. They are doing a survey to find
out why some people do not like the ARRL. I don't like it because it
costs to much. If it were $10 a year I might consider joining.
Louis

Yepper Louis and if a Corvette were 10K I'd have one in my garage now ...
73 KI3R


I don't like them because the head bosses see themselves as self-appointed
gods of ham radio.... at least at one point in time they were trying to
get
the FCC to hand over authority of the ham radio spectrum to them
entirely.

Clint

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:

(Louis C. LeVine) wrote in message . com...

This came from another radio group. They are doing a survey to find
out why some people do not like the ARRL. I don't like it because it
costs to much. If it were $10 a year I might consider joining.
Louis


And just exactly what do you expect that they could do for $10.00
a month?

Please name me ONE organization in ANY "hobby" activity that
provdes the scope of servcies and resources the ARRL offers to it's
target peer group.

Awaiting your informed response.

I think this is one of those cases where some people think that their
membership is a subscription to QST. Its a lot more than that. ARRL does
a lot for Amateurs, even those who hate the organization.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Fair enough.

I dislike some of the policies that the ARRL has promoted in the past,
and felt as if the ARRL did not represent me even though I have been a
member since 1986.

Luckily, the FCC went over the ARRL's head and showed a little
lesdership with respect to licensing issues.

73, Brian

"Brian" wrote in message
om...
Mike Coslo wrote in message
...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:

(Louis C. LeVine) wrote in message
. com...

This came from another radio group. They are doing a survey to find
out why some people do not like the ARRL. I don't like it because it
costs to much. If it were $10 a year I might consider joining.
Louis


And just exactly what do you expect that they could do for $10.00
a month?

Please name me ONE organization in ANY "hobby" activity that
provdes the scope of servcies and resources the ARRL offers to it's
target peer group.

Awaiting your informed response.

I think this is one of those cases where some people think that their
membership is a subscription to QST. Its a lot more than that. ARRL does
a lot for Amateurs, even those who hate the organization.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Fair enough.

I dislike some of the policies that the ARRL has promoted in the past,
and felt as if the ARRL did not represent me even though I have been a
member since 1986.

Did you get actively involved? Did you become a section director? Did you
campaign to sway the majority to your opinion? Or did you just write a
letter or two complaining and were disappointed because it didn't instantly
change the ARRL's policies? If you want your point of view to be policy
then you have to become very politically active in an organization.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Ragchewer wrote:

Why do I not like the ARRL? I will answer that with another
question. Would you trust a gang of Yankee carpetbaggers,
the same bunch who stole from the southerners at the end of
the War Between The States? You would? Good! Sign
up for life membership with the rest of the NewingtonYankee
gang. As for me, the league can go f..k itself, since that is what
it has been doing to the rest of us for decades.

RC

Don't tell us. Send it to:
Reply-to:
with your real email addy.

Clint wrote:

I don't like them because the head bosses see themselves as self-appointed
gods of ham radio.... at least at one point in time they were trying to get
the FCC to hand over authority of the ham radio spectrum to them
entirely.

Clint

Don't tell us. Send it to:
Reply-to:
with your real email addy.

"JEP" wrote:
I don't like ARRL because:

1) Membership price too high
2) Can't separate QST from membership
(snip)


Several years ago (four or five), QST was available at the Barnes and
Noble bookstore in this area. But it then disappeared off the shelf and I
haven't seen it since. When I asked the manager about it, he looked on the
computer and said the magazine was no longer available from the supplier.
This was surprising since the magazine sold out almost immediately each
month (I missed several issues because of that).

The newsgroups rec.radio.shortwave and rec.radio.cb has been deleted from
this reply (discussion is off-topic in those newsgroups).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP



Radioman wrote in message ...
JEP wrote:

I don't like ARRL because:

1) Membership price too high
2) Can't separate QST from membership
3) QST only counts as $15 of the $39 membership fee
4) Incentive licensing from the 60's
5) Ham radio is a dying hobby
6) 5wpm Extras
7) No value given for the money invested
8) No accountability of the board and Executive staff
9) Really doesn't represent the majority of hams (majority don't
belong)
10) Really no different than 'NRA', 'AARP', 'NAACP'. Take your money
and use it for their own agenda, NOT yours!

That is enough for a start.

Sorry to see '73' and Wayne Green exit publishing.
Sorry to see 'Ham Radio' exit publishing.

ex ARRL member


Don't tell us. Send it to:
Reply-to:
with your real email addy.

"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Several years ago (four or five), QST was available at the Barnes and
Noble bookstore in this area. But it then disappeared off the shelf and I
haven't seen it since.

At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume business
for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues,
and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an
idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote

Did you become a section director?

Those jobs are reserved for Lifetime Members.

There is no such animal as a 'section director'. Perhaps you meant 'Section
Manager'. There is no requirement to be a life member to be elected to that
position. Neither is there such a requirement for Division Director or
Division Vice Director (I was twice elected to that position, and I'm not a
life member.)

Doncha just hate it when facts come into play and spoil your lovely rant?

73, de Hans, K0HB

"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote

Did you become a section director?

Those jobs are reserved for Lifetime Members.

There is no such animal as a 'section director'. Perhaps you meant
'Section
Manager'. There is no requirement to be a life member to be elected to
that
position. Neither is there such a requirement for Division Director or
Division Vice Director (I was twice elected to that position, and I'm not
a
life member.)

Doncha just hate it when facts come into play and spoil your lovely rant?

73, de Hans, K0HB

It continually amazes me Hans.

BTW, THanks for the chat on 20. I am playing a bit in the 10 meter
contest, CW only.

Dan/W4NTI

"JEP" wrote in message
om...
And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"KØHB" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Several years ago (four or five), QST was
available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore
in this area. But it then disappeared off the
shelf and I haven't seen it since.

At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it
wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and
Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the
membership dues, and you don't get the other
benefits which comes with membership. Only
an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news
stand!


There are circumstances that might require one to be an "idiot," Hans. In
my case, I purchased it at the news stand because ARRL never seemed able to
deliver my copy of the magazine (not fast enough to keep up with me). The
first time I joined, my address changed several times in a single year. I
joined at my home here. Two months later, I went elsewhere to prepare for
our operations in Kosovo. Several months later, I went to Italy for the
actual Kosovo conflict itself. Even though a change of address was sent with
each move, I received only one issue of the magazine that year.

The second year was pretty much the same as the first. I moved back to the
USA, moved several months later, and finally ended up back here again two
months after that. I got two issues of the magazine that year and didn't
rejoin at the end of the year (and didn't make any effort to get the
magazine for several years).

I joined ARRL again this year and have gotten each copy of the magazine so
far.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote:

Did you become a section director?

There is no such position.

Those jobs are reserved for Lifetime Members.

There are no ARRL positions requiring Life Membership.

Your rant just went *poof*!

Dave K8MN

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"JEP" wrote in message
om...
And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


DDF,

Profits My Ass [.]
- - - They can soon disappear through...
= = = High Priced Management and Staff Salaries ? ? ?

gc ~ RHF

..

..

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble.
Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they
legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's,
DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a
profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a
profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps
itself!

We will probably see QST being hawked in Publishers Clearing House
before too long. Get a magazine and win a million

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.

JEP wrote:
It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble.

Hey! You forgot to call them liberals!


Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they
legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's,
DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a
profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a
profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps
itself!

Lessee, just from their website, I've looked up exam dates and
locations, Contest dates and rules, Hamfest dates and locations. I've
downloaded project and info PDF's from them, looked up callsigns and
matched names with callsigns. Looked through the swap section of the
site, and been informed and sometimes entertained by the FCC enforcement
news. Off the web, I've used their hints and kinks books, and I'd be
lost without the Handbook.

And those are just the superficial things, not counting the spectrum
work and really critical stuff such as BPL.

Yup, sure signs of an organization that only helps itself!

Good luck with this one now!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

Several of us have already listed the numerous benefits of the ARRL.

Well, there you have it. What benefits Dee must benefit all.

Again
how did you voice your dissent? Did you get actively and heavily involved?
Doesn't sound like it. If you did get involved, you did not convince the
majority of members to change to your point of view.

Must one become El Supremo Commandant to have an organization that
they belong to and pay dues to represent them? Must be so in this
case.

Instead you choose to have little to no impact on proposed changes by the
FCC.

Actually, the road the FCC took is closer to leadership of the ARS
than the road that the ARRL took.

Yes I know individuals can write letters but a decent sized lobby
has
a far greater effect.

Which is the very saddest part of the whole episode.

An organized body can much more effectively solicit
the backing of other affected groups on questions like BPL.

It is necessary for the ARRL to fight BPL - it threatens their very
existence.

Being "One voice in the maelstrom" is a waste of one's time as it will be
completely obliterated by that maelstrom.

Being in the minority doesn't necessarily make one wrong nor
necessarily make ones efforts a waste of time. Galileo

Now I do not say that everyone should be a member of ARRL. That is up to
the individual. However if you are not, then don't complain about their
policies. Don't complain when BPL makes HF useless in your area. Don't
complain when VHF/UHF frequencies get reallocated to commercial uses. Don't
complain if the government should choose to eliminate amateur radio entirely
as it has tried to do twice in the past.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Yes, yes, Dee. Of course. Whatever you say. ARRL spam-bot.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message k.net...

Correct, and in other words. If you want to change it, you have to be on
the inside.

Dan/W4NTI

Wrong, Dan. And don't go turning into a spam-bot sychophant.

Hanoi Jane tried that approach with the NRA, and none of us seem to
have our very own NVA anti-aircraft guns to sit behind.

With respect to the ARRL:

Withholding dues money changes them.

Not purchasing their products changes them.

Denouncing their policies changes them.

Voicing your concerns directly to the FCC cuts out the middleman.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"JEP" wrote in message
om...
And just who is

?????

I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it.


The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER!

The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years.

The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating
under a non-profit status.

The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it
on the news stands.

Bye bye ARRL.

Bye bye ham radio as we know it.

JEP

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

That's a ****-poor approach for an organization who'se charter says
its for publishing.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Its about salaries, not profits. every other non-profit.

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...
"KØHB" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Several years ago (four or five), QST was
available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore
in this area. But it then disappeared off the
shelf and I haven't seen it since.

At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it
wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and
Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the
membership dues, and you don't get the other
benefits which comes with membership. Only
an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news
stand!


There are circumstances that might require one to be an "idiot," Hans.
In
my case, I purchased it at the news stand because ARRL never seemed able
to
deliver my copy of the magazine (not fast enough to keep up with me). The
first time I joined, my address changed several times in a single year. I
joined at my home here. Two months later, I went elsewhere to prepare for
our operations in Kosovo. Several months later, I went to Italy for the
actual Kosovo conflict itself. Even though a change of address was sent
with
each move, I received only one issue of the magazine that year.

The second year was pretty much the same as the first. I moved back to
the
USA, moved several months later, and finally ended up back here again two
months after that. I got two issues of the magazine that year and didn't
rejoin at the end of the year (and didn't make any effort to get the
magazine for several years).

I joined ARRL again this year and have gotten each copy of the magazine
so
far.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


You do realize that the ARRL has the publication and distribution of QST
contracted out, don't you? You should crab to them, not the league per se.

I had similar problems when I was globe trotting, like you. But when I
finally did settle down I dropped both QST and CQ a note...and guess what?
They sent me every single issue I missed.
Amazing, hu?

Dan/W4NTI

"Brian" wrote


She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot.
Wonder if she is an official bulletin station?

And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher. I want you to
be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian. It goes like this: LHA is the
organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington
Won't Give It Back". You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping
up and down and acting silly for our amusement.

With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs,

de Hans, K0HB/4ID

In article et, "KØHB"
writes as if he just had a colorectal examination
with a fully warmed-up 100 W American Beauty soldering iron:

"Brian" wrote

She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot.
Wonder if she is an official bulletin station?

And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher.

OLD one, Brian Burke is his own man. He states an opposite
opinion from the "official" Newington spin on how amateurism
in radio is "supposed to be." Therefore, you, as a Devout Believer
in the glory and honor and mysticism of amateurism, must
chastise the UNbelievers...and call them "unabashers" for not
accepting the legends, mythos, and religious traditions of radio
as "officially" stated by ARRL publications.

Somewhere in the past you were often saying "gentlemen can
disagree without being disagreeable." You, sir, are being terribly
disagreeable, ergo you are NO gentleman.

I want you to be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you should be "aware" of how others see you, OLD
man, and that others are quite aware you are NOT the CNO of
any rrap party.

It goes like this: LHA is the
organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington
Won't Give It Back".

"Newington" had absolutely nothing to do with ACAN or ADA, super
chief. ARRL had NOTHING to do with any other places I worked in
the last half century nor the people I worked WITH from DoD and
other branches of the U.S. government. The BoD of a small town
club in New England would be lost trying to carry even half the traffic
load of the third largest U.S. Army transmitter site in the world 50
years ago. All that the League seems to know is that on-off keying
code is the ultimate "art" of radio because that is what they spin off
on their membership, covertly and overtly.

You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping
up and down and acting silly for our amusement.

You are being truly a contentious OLD fart in here, trolling desperately
for someone to despise...and then doing a poor job of denigration.

With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs,

And here's "best wishes" for some education that might penetrate
a code-warped psyche housing in regards to: (1) voice modulated
transmitters of 1906; (2) cell phone differences between power-up
and first cell-connect; (3) so-called "one-way" ionospheric radio
propagation paths; (4) assorted little gems of radio disinformation
that you haven't recognized in the past nor admit to making mistakes
on in public.

I've not commented in this subject thread before, only on the 14
petitions before the FCC thread (as its origininator). The NPRM or
whatever as a result of those petitions will decide the FUTURE of
radio amateurism in the USA. While the REGULARS in the jolly
little chatroom of morseaholics are busy puffing themselves up about
their marvelous experience and tenure in on-offing the radio waves,
the future is sneaking up on everyone. All you are doing lately is
just behaving like one of your iceholes in the wintertime.

It's too bad that your Xanax ran out and you switched from ran to rant.

Don't you just HATE it when somebody steps in and ruins your rant?

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

LHA

"JEP" wrote in message
om...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report
them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they
are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble.
Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they
legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's,
DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a
profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a
profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps
itself!

We will probably see QST being hawked in Publishers Clearing House
before too long. Get a magazine and win a million


If they are making a profit, then who is getting the money?? It's got to be
going somewhere. There are no stockholders receiving dividends. It doesn't
do any good just to sit on the money. And don't say salaries as that is
fully documented in the financial records and is not profit. If you believe
the salaries are too high, get on the board that makes the decisions and
reduce them.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report
them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they
are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.

If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Len Over 21" wrote

"Brian Burke is his own man."

The old organ grinder says of his red-hatted dancing monkey.

With all kind wishes for the holidays, old sir,

de Hans, K0HB

Mike Coslo wrote in message t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail
about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and
conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about
hams than it does the ARRL.

Are you saying that I'm a sucker?

2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what
the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -

World peace?

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...

Dee got on early supporting the status quo; hook,line and sinker. She
is a perfect mouth-piece for the ARRL, and I've heard her repeating,
word for word, the policies of this organization. She is, more or
less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official
bulletin station?


Not hardly. I disapprove of some of the policies but I do not expect it to
change when my view doesn't represent the majority view. I do not consider
differences of opinion on some policies to be reason to stop supporting
them. Also I merely state that non-members shouldn't think they can change
the policies. The ARRL policies, as with any organization, will reflect the
opinions of the majority of members. Someone with a minority opinion in any
organization will have to work very hard to get the majority to adopt it.
Organizations have no obligation to reflect the opinion of non-members.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Oh, BS, Dee. You just got through saying that if you don't belong, if
you don't rise to the top of the food chain, blah blah, horse crap,
blah blah.

The ARRL wants to be the -ONE- voice for the ARS. I suggest that they
start with forward thinking leadership representing all, not just
their CW-centric membership. Or get out of the way.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 0:03:17 -0600, Brian wrote
(in message ) :

Mike Coslo wrote in message
t...


Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail
about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and
conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us.

1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about
hams than it does the ARRL.

Are you saying that I'm a sucker?

2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what
the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL.

- Mike KB3EIA -

World peace?


Are you also wondering what the ARRL has to do with swling?

Perhaps it is time to add "ARRL" to "syphilis"
and "Hal Turner" in my "social disease" killfool.



Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Entropy Maintenance Technician
Tao Chemical Company
--------------------------

http://www.compcomm.com/
Vicksburg, Mississippi US

"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Brian" wrote


She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot.
Wonder if she is an official bulletin station?

And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher. I want you to
be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian. It goes like this: LHA is the
organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington
Won't Give It Back". You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping
up and down and acting silly for our amusement.

With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs,

de Hans, K0HB/4ID

Brakejob/4ID, the only problem with your little organ grinder/monkey
scenario is that is didn't play out here.

You smell like you've been ****ed on, so perhaps you've got some other
monkey scenario going on there. In any case, its none of my biddness
what you do in the privacy of your home so please stop trying to
entertain us with it here.

With all kind wished for a speedy recovery, my T5 logs are intact.
You're still not in them, so don't solicit for an unearned card.

Brian

"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Len Over 21" wrote

"Brian Burke is his own man."

The old organ grinder says of his red-hatted dancing monkey.

With all kind wishes for the holidays, old sir,

de Hans, K0HB

.... and good will towards man.

It would appear that Hans has become the red-assed monkey of the holidays.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands.

If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report
them
to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they
are,
it is not about money since no one is making a profit.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Un-friggin-believable.

Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries.

If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Who said they were too high?

They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of
profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the
excess.

It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is.

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:

You do realize that the ARRL has the
publication and distribution of QST
contracted out, don't you? You should
crab to them, not the league per se.


Of course. I wasn't complaining about not getting the magazine - only
explaining why I purchased the magazine at a book store.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/