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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message link.net... "Len Over 21" wrote: (snip) All of the information is from ARRL's own website under QST Circulation. There are some apparent discrepancies on that, probably due to "creative rearrangement" of the data. For example, the "average monthly paid circulaion" (six months, ending at end of June) was only 142,992. Between that and the indicated membership is 12,140 unaccounted for and not explained by sales to library/institution subscriptions (only 891) or net single copy sales (only 1,784). (snip) While I obviously cannot be certain, most of those 12,140 issues are probably free handouts, Len - sent to current advertisers, potential advertisers, staff, those who wrote articles or sent pictures for each issue, executives of various companies, industry insiders, news organizations, politicians, and so on. It's a fairly common practice in the publishing industry. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ Also keep in mind that there are members who will not show up under the paid circulation number. In my home, both I and the OM are members. We only get one magazine as he is a family member under my main membership. So there is only one paid circulation but two ARRL members. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Brian) Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "But, but, but.... I snipped the rant. Caps and all. Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya? Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles "knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite" excuses. Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to have that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: "Dee D. Flint" Date: 12/23/03 8:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: om Also keep in mind that there are members who will not show up under the paid circulation number. In my home, both I and the OM are members. We only get one magazine as he is a family member under my main membership. So there is only one paid circulation but two ARRL members. Good point, Dee...I forgot that, and my XYL and I have the same arrangement. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message news:20031223110945.14309.00001469@mb- Total magazines printed minus wasted copies minus library subscriptions minus complimentary copies equals "EXACT" number of ARRL members (Guess that new math really confounded ya, Huh BRAIN? What an idiot. Steve, K4YZ You forgot to add in members who don't receive their own magazine, such as those on the family membership. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message news:20031223110945.14309.00001469@mb- Total magazines printed minus wasted copies minus library subscriptions minus complimentary copies equals "EXACT" number of ARRL members (Guess that new math really confounded ya, Huh BRAIN? What an idiot. Steve, K4YZ You forgot to add in members who don't receive their own magazine, such as those on the family membership. Might as well add the memberships for blind hams that don't want to get QST. - Mike KB3EIA - |
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:41:24 GMT, Dee D. Flint wrote:
Also keep in mind that there are members who will not show up under the paid circulation number. In my home, both I and the OM are members. We only get one magazine as he is a family member under my main membership. So there is only one paid circulation but two ARRL members. I would suspect that in this computers-r-us era of acccounting, the Membership Department can furnish the exact number of members-in-good- standing (i.e. paid up to date) in every category as of the last database entry. After all, the ARRL -is- a membership organization and any member is entitled to that information. Getting it may be another story, however. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
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Stewart" writes: "Len Over 21" wrote: (snip) All of the information is from ARRL's own website under QST Circulation. There are some apparent discrepancies on that, probably due to "creative rearrangement" of the data. For example, the "average monthly paid circulaion" (six months, ending at end of June) was only 142,992. Between that and the indicated membership is 12,140 unaccounted for and not explained by sales to library/institution subscriptions (only 891) or net single copy sales (only 1,784). (snip) While I obviously cannot be certain, most of those 12,140 issues are probably free handouts, Len - sent to current advertisers, potential advertisers, staff, those who wrote articles or sent pictures for each issue, executives of various companies, industry insiders, news organizations, politicians, and so on. It's a fairly common practice in the publishing industry. Dwight, with all due respect, I think I know a bit about the periodicals industry and Publisher's Sworn Statements. :-) The seed of this particular sub-thread was the EXACT number of ARRL membership. According to Katherine A. Capodicasa, Circulation Manager of QST, given on ARRL's own web page, the ARRL membership as of the end of June 2003 was 155,132. Also, on the same ARRL page was the statement of the "average monthly paid circulation" (for previous 6 months). That is 142,992. It is also a difference of 12,140 from the June membership number. That difference MIGHT account for the "family membership" single copies and other things. Might, that is, trying to infer anything from insufficient data is pure speculation such as others have been doing. In item 3 on the Circulation page is "average unpaid and sample copy circulation per month" of 1,140. That would be freebies, sample copies, stuff sent to potential advertisers, and so forth. [others have tried to imply higher numbers for this as rationalizing other differences but that is more speculation without facts and also - obviously - not going to the "official" ARRL pages...:-) ] Now, connecting the dots to other notable numbers, one who longs for the olden days keeps putting up others' database values to show that U.S. amateur radio licenses are increasing. [they are, but only slightly and don't follow the overall population increase] Yet, on the Circulation page of QST, ARRL membership shows a slight but definite DECREASE in paid circulation...from 143,904 at end of January 2003 to 142,311 at end of June 2003, a difference of -1,593. Connecting more dots farther apart, clicking on ARRL publications and QST yields a table of contents of January 2004 issue. On there is a link to a "Micro Keyer" (CW keyer) which is viewable, but no other viewable link to more general amateur radio articles such as making nice front panels for homebuilt equipment. This is just another subtle bit of business on ARRL's continuing push for morse code related over and above all other modes. ARRL may take a "neutral" stance on morse code testing regulations but one can only take away their code key from their cold, dead fingers... In truth, a "Publishers Sworn Statement" is SOLELY for the benefit of potential ADVERTISERS. QST subsists almost entirely on the income of advertising to pay for printing, author compensation (miniscule by comparison to other periodicals), "fulfillment" (publishing-speak for subscriptions), and QST direct staff. Note that QST has used a heavier-weight glossy paper than most periodicals (which costs more) but has gone to slightly lower-weight glossy paper. Anyone can go through any issue, count column-inches, and determine the issue's Real income within 20% or so just from QST's rates (also on the web site, different page). Advertising pays the bills at a periodical. Advertising revenue is finite so all periodical publishers will condense and "tailor" the Publisher's Sworn Statements as much as they can...so that potential advertisers are convinced to pay them instead of any competition. Since advertising budgets are finite, some periodicals just don't get as much income...and some may have to quit when there isn't enough income to pay bills. There's bound to be someone who shows "exceptions" to the rule that advertising pays the bills. I'm familiar with that. As one who gets a number of trade periodicals (EDN, Electronic Design, RF Design, Microwaves & RF, PET, etc.) entirely without any monies from me ("controlled circulation" magazines), that's proof enough of my statement. There are MORE "free" trade publications in the USA than there are subscription-fee publications. Parishoners at the Church of St. Hiram have been busy rationalizing and speculating on the "reason" for differences that I noted. :-) They are all wrong, but are convinced they Know...ARRL can do no wrong. All that can be gleaned from the QST Circulation page is the number (and EXACT number) of ARRL membership at any one time. ARRL is basically three organizations in one: A membership club; a political-action special interest group; a publishing business. Members try to rationalize others' negative criticsm by using only one or two of the triad as "justification." In truth, ARRL tries to be too many things under one roof and that, if too inflexible, may be its eventual undoing. Merry Christmas to you and yours, Dwight. Len Anderson |
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(Brian) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL From: (Brian) Date: 12/20/03 9:09 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... ubject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL From: (Len Over 21) Date: 12/20/03 2:50 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: So, give us an EXACT number of ARRL members. Check their annual postal statement. It's a violation for them to purjure that, and it delineates the number of "paid subscriptions" (ie: paid-up members) Steve, K4YZ I was a member of the ARRL prior to earning my Novice ticket. What was my call sign then? I am sure there was a point ot your asking this question, Brain, even though it was not part-and-parcel of the quoted item above. Regardless of your licensure status when you joined the ARRL, the only 'relevence' would have been your voting staus. You were STILL a member. Now...the point? Steve, K4YZ Let me think it through for you. A non-member, me, receives QST. I am included in the annual postal statement. Every library is included in the postal statement. Every club that subscribes is included in the postal statement. Every foreign subscriber non-member is included in the postal statement. Now would you mind answereing the question: "So, give us an EXACT number of ARRL members." He cannot, so, as his "representative" in here, I will. :-) According to the ARRL's own information, their last Publisher's Sworn Circulation Statement was end of June, 2003. At that time ARRL membership was 155,132. Of those, 19,180 were Life Members. All of the information is from ARRL's own website under QST Circulation. There are some apparent discrepancies on that, probably due to "creative rearrangement" of the data. For example, the "average monthly paid circulaion" (six months, ending at end of June) was only 142,992. Between that and the indicated membership is 12,140 unaccounted for and not explained by any sales to library/institution subscriptions (only 891) or net single copy sales (only 1,784). In the "average monthly paid circulation by type," the number of issues to associations and members (including Life Members) was 140,317 and, with libraries and single copy sales, adds up to 142,311. That's off of Cathy's statement of 142,992 by 681. ? If there were 682 thousand total U.S. amateur radio licensees at the end of June, 2003, then ARRL membership is only 22.79% and LESS than a quarter. LHA "But, but, but.... YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE! YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO READ THOSE FIGURES ON THE ARRL WEB SITE. YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO MATH AND CREATE A RATIO OF MEMBEERS TO NON-MEMBERS. YOUR RESEARCH DOESN'T COUNT. YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OPINION. ...blah, blah, blah." Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya? Merry Christmas. I know. Isn't it awful? :-) It's so comforting to know that one can read and repeat Cathy's Circulation page on ARRL's website as a "LIE!" :-) There are other little gems from da Wundermarine in here, such as its impossible for a First Phone to be used in U.S. civil aviation band radio communications since a Restricted 3rd Class "must" be used...which was nonsense in 1962...and later when the Commercial licenses got converted to the General Radiotelephone. He could not give exact figures on QST circulation for any issue (despite being only a few key- presses away from the main web page) but he "Knows" the exact costs in certain years for student flying lessons. The circulation for QST is very much amateur radio related but the student pilot costs are not. [he might have been hit by a couple of close isobars once and had an adiabatic lapse rate decrease...:-) ] Stebe thinks that the "majority" of U.S. amateur radio activity is above HF. That must mean that he never listens below 30 MHz. Probably true since all he can do is transmit over- modulated shouting and hollering about close-order drill below 30 MHz. Hup too tree foah, ya lie, ya lie, ya lie! :-) The ONLY way one can be "interested in radio" is to get a ham license and be proficient in morse code...with extra gold stars if one was once a member of da murine corpse. Doesn't hurt if one was a purchasing agent for a small modem and set-top box company in the "south" for a few months...that counts as "being in radio engineering!" :-) Amateur radio FUN is only "ancilliary" to the U.S. amateur radio SERVICE. Ham radio is all about wearing a Lifestyle mental uniform, marching in ranks to the morse drumbeat of the 1930s, and being ready, willing, able to "take over communications" when all the commercial/professional infrastructure FAILS in an emergency? That's the thoughts I see expressed in here. There can be no fun in the ham SERVICE. It is all about duty, dedication, close-order drill on the proper and correct jargon and prosigns. [why the name "prosigns" when there is so much hatred of the pros?] Hupp, too, tree, foah! Beep, beep, beep! It's a wonderful life. [but all the cast players are mentally SK] Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, Brian, all the best to you and your family. Len Anderson |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Bill Sohl wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message snippage Two questions... 1. What "other members" (I presume you mean Board Members), other than W5YI, do NOT support retention of technical acumen? They don't have to be Board members, Bill. And I don't have their names off the top of my head. If you like, I can retract the "members" statement, and substitute "member" or "prominent member". Although I think that's almost like saying a person's argument is invalid because they made a typo. Bottom line, without names, the statement is grossly misleading as you apear to try and broaden your claim to NCI in general... which is absolutely false. Bottom line, I have never accused NCI of having any particular opinion. I wrote: Instead, some members express "unofficial opinions that scare the bejabbers out of me. That's the point. "Unofficial opinions". That alone, regardless of what you say, creates an impression that there is an "unofficial 'NCI' opinion". If a person has their own opinion about something, that isn't "official" or "unofficial" by itself. Adding the "unofficial opinion" label in talking about an NCI member DOES create a different perception than simply saying John Doe has an opinion that scares me. Back to now: Who is broadening any claim? I even put unofficial opinions on my sentence. Your trying to pin me down on this is amusing, since the membership rolls of NCI are a closely guarded secret. The only way we know is if the member outs him or her self. Then how can you even make the statement that some "members" have opinions that scare you IF you can't even identify them. I don't like Han's entry level license requirement either. He's a member. BUT, his NCI membership doesn't tie NCI to Han's personal support for an entry level license. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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