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WA3MOJ wrote:
Well I must be braindead too then.I hope that bpl comes to my town so I can afford something besides a dial up connection. As long as you're satisfied with something that doesn't work! - Mike |
In article , Mike Coslo says...
WA3MOJ wrote: Well I must be braindead too then.I hope that bpl comes to my town so I can afford something besides a dial up connection. As long as you're satisfied with something that doesn't work! - Mike Clueless newbie. |
"WA3MOJ" wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo says... I'm not sure which group you're posting from Steve, so I didn't trim the groups. Once I know, I'll trim 'em out. cb and shortwave don't need all this stuff (though shortwave listeners should be VERY concerned about BPL. Steveo wrote: "Bill Sohl" wrote: ITU treaty is goofed up too? Cheers, Bill K2UNK What about that BPL thing, I know their using it in Manasass, anyone hear how good or bad it is to HF comms? Updates? FEMA has expressed "grave concerns" DERA has noted: "DERA concludes that serious interference to and disruption of critical emergency communications systems in several licensed services throughout North America would almost certainly result from BPL implementation as currently proposed," DERA's comments said. Endorsing FEMA's earlier remarks, DERA said proposed BPL systems don't just pose a risk of interference, they've already been shown to "actually cause harmful interference to licensed radio services." AMRAD has provided data that suggests that a Operating Ham within a half mile radius will likely knock out BPL. The service is simply too susceptable to interference. from ARRL site: AMRAD found that at a distance of just over one-half mile, data transfer ceased in the face of a 100-W signal on 3980 kHz from a mobile transmitter. Adjacent to the test property, AMRAD said data transfer ceased in all but one instance at a transmitter power of just 4 W in the BPL operating band of from 4 to 21 MHz. back to me: So BPL is a big source of interference to devices it isn't allowed to interfere with, and it looks like a QRP or CB rig with a good antenna can knock it out, but certainly a 100 watt rig will take BPL internet out. As I figured, the BPL internet access concept is going down fast. - Mike KB3EIA - Will it wipe out my 2 meter handheld? Yes, it will. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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wrote: Steveo wrote: He scares me. He would only scare me if he started driving in NW Georgia. F#cker better not be driving nextel! (still ain't use to saying nextel) How is it that Park gets a ride before LaJoie? -- ___________________________ Truckers get the best $20 whores |
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message om... (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... No more than...Ahhhh, never mind, you'll never get the point. Make your point rational and I'll get it. Many of us have tried to get YOU to be rational, Brain, but you defy logic and, well, rationality. Stebe, just because you can spell rational doesn't mean you are rational. You make unsubstantiated assertions you cannot or will not back up, then ask us to just accept it without the proof. I merely commented on your Basis and Purpose comment. Then I backed it up. You need to make a rational comment why the basis and purpose is satisfied by inventive licensing, but cannot be satisfied by a one license ARS. You're starting off the New Year on the wrong foot, Brain...By making assertions that are not substantiated by factual evidence. Welcome to 2004, MinnieLennie. Steve, K4YZ Steve, you said that the Basis and Purpose of self-learning cannot be achieved after a person has achieved their first license in a one-license system. That the Basis and Purpose can only be achieved in a multiple-license system. A "one license" system does not promote learning. Why not? What License have you been working toward since you earned Extra? A "one license" system promotes stagnation and mediocrity. Look what a "classless" society did to Central Europe for 70+ years. Are you just begging for Len to come in here with his Hitler remarks? You are an idiot! As deftly pointed out by Jim, N2EY, the TRUE stagnation of the Amateur Radio Service occured BEFORE Incentive Licensing. Did not. Was the way the FCC implemented it wrong? Sure it was. But the system worked. I asked if self-learning occurs after the Extra license is achieved. Sure it does. And there are some cases where the licensee brings his "self-learning" with him/her from an engineering point-of-view...but thsoe folks are few and far between. Give me a rational answer why it cannot occur after someone achieves a license in a one-license system. Can it occur? Sure it can. Thank you. Finally an honest answer from one of you PCTA. I'll mark my calendar. Does it usually or routinely occur? Nope. Doesn't occur after Extra either. And ex-communicated Jim's proposal was for all the pools to be combined, so it was the equavilant of Extra. So, in the end, you just don't know what you're talking about. Now, here's one for YOU, Brain...cite for me some grand example of "one size fits all and promotes learning" example from ANY aspect of our society...One that can't be refuted at some level. No. I'll be waiting, but I won't be holding my breath. Steve, K4YZ Oh, please do. |
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message om... (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com... No more than...Ahhhh, never mind, you'll never get the point. Make your point rational and I'll get it. Many of us have tried to get YOU to be rational, Brain, but you defy logic and, well, rationality. Stebe, just because you can spell rational doesn't mean you are rational. You make unsubstantiated assertions you cannot or will not back up, then ask us to just accept it without the proof. I merely commented on your Basis and Purpose comment. Then I backed it up. You need to make a rational comment why the basis and purpose is satisfied by inventive licensing, but cannot be satisfied by a one license ARS. You're starting off the New Year on the wrong foot, Brain...By making assertions that are not substantiated by factual evidence. Welcome to 2004, MinnieLennie. Steve, K4YZ Steve, you said that the Basis and Purpose of self-learning cannot be achieved after a person has achieved their first license in a one-license system. That the Basis and Purpose can only be achieved in a multiple-license system. A "one license" system does not promote learning. Why not? What License have you been working toward since you earned Extra? A "one license" system promotes stagnation and mediocrity. Look what a "classless" society did to Central Europe for 70+ years. Are you just begging for Len to come in here with his Hitler remarks? You are an idiot! As deftly pointed out by Jim, N2EY, the TRUE stagnation of the Amateur Radio Service occured BEFORE Incentive Licensing. Did not. Was the way the FCC implemented it wrong? Sure it was. But the system worked. I asked if self-learning occurs after the Extra license is achieved. Sure it does. And there are some cases where the licensee brings his "self-learning" with him/her from an engineering point-of-view...but thsoe folks are few and far between. Give me a rational answer why it cannot occur after someone achieves a license in a one-license system. Can it occur? Sure it can. Thank you. Finally an honest answer from one of you PCTA. I'll mark my calendar. Does it usually or routinely occur? Nope. Doesn't occur after Extra either. And ex-communicated Jim's proposal was for all the pools to be combined, so it was the equavilant of Extra. So, in the end, you just don't know what you're talking about. Now, here's one for YOU, Brain...cite for me some grand example of "one size fits all and promotes learning" example from ANY aspect of our society...One that can't be refuted at some level. No. I'll be waiting, but I won't be holding my breath. Steve, K4YZ Oh, please do. |
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(Brian) wrote in message . com... (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL From: (Brian) Date: 12/26/03 3:01 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: How many amateur radio services do we really need? How many do you really want? One radio service with a TIERED license structure, Brain. It is a "TIRED" radio structure. If you want Merit Badges, join the BSA (or CAP). There is no need to have class distinctions between hams artificially created by the FCC. Allow the ham to distinguish himself or herself, based upon actual achievements. It is only "tired" if you don't have the cajones to keep up, Brain. A little chest puffery? Natch. It's not about "class distinctions", unless that's all you fixate on, Brain. It's about meeting the requirements of the Basis and Purpose of Part 97, and meeting Congress' expectation that in return for our generous allocations. Did that a long time ago. By the way, our allocations are by no means guaranteed. Too bad people like you can't see past your own selfishness to see that. Too bad people like you can't see it. Too busy being self-important. Obviously you do not concur with the FCC's "Basis and Purpose" of the Amateur Radio Service, espeically those that establish the service as one of "self-training". I do. -Espeically- "self-training." Obviously you believe that once you obtain the "Amateur Extra" license that all learning must stop. There is nothing more to be learned! I don't know where you got that "obviously" stuff, Brain, except to make it up. I've very clearly stated on several occassions that my learning curve didn't stop with my Extra. Yet your climb up the ARS ladder did. Why, with a one license ARS would learning stop??? Please stop being arrogant. Rational argument is arrogance? You couldn't be more wrong. Again. I'm not the one who just made a very obvious assumption based upon a personal prejudice, Brain. State the assumption. State the personal prejudice. A "single license" concept does not support that premise, Brain. It does. Unless you believe that once you obtain Amateur Extra that all learning stops because there is nothing new to be learned. Ok, MinnieLennie...Here again is yet another opportunity for you to "show (me)up" by providing a quote FROM ME wherein I stated anything even remotely like "...all learning stops with the Amateur Extra test". Why, if learning doesn't stop with the Amateur Extra exam, would it stop with a one exam ARS? This is a test in rational discussion. Do try your best to pass it. A tiered one does. No more than a one license ARS. Then this proves you ignorant of the facts, Brain. Enlighten me. There is not a single aspect of our lives that suggests a "one-size-fits-all" ANYTHING works, Brainless. Our educational system, our society in general, religions, politics, etc. Stebe, countless garments at the store claim "one size fits all." Unless you can provide some tangible examples that contradict that? Pantyhose. Was that too difficult for you? Trying hard to keep your position at the top of the hill is sooo transparent. I don't have a hill to be on top of, Brain. More like piled higher and deeper. That you percieve that I do means you have an inferiorty problem that keeps you in a subjugated position. Deal with it, Brain. You're much easier to deal with. Allow the ham to show the world his real achievements, not some government supported and forced Merit Badge system of false achievements. You are truly lost, Brain....wrapped up in symbology, rhetoric and the need to denigrate and demean anything you cannot or will not endeavor to understand or accept. Pity you. The King of Denigration has spoken. |
"WA3MOJ" wrote in message ... In article , Mike Coslo says... WA3MOJ wrote: Well I must be braindead too then.I hope that bpl comes to my town so I can afford something besides a dial up connection. As long as you're satisfied with something that doesn't work! - Mike Clueless newbie. Sorry, you are clueless. How about reading some of the information about how crappy this BPL will be before inserting foot in your mouth? You are either a total fool, or, and this is probably the case..... unworthy of calling yourself a ham. Why you ask? because your a dumbass. Dan/W4NTI |
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