Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...

You're *assuming* that everyone who has an opinion on amateur radio
policy issues is interested in amateur radio having the best possible
future. And in most cases that's true - but not when Mr. Anderson is
involved. His behavior here, and his comments to FCC, indicate that
he's *not* interested in what's best for amateur radio. He's just
interested in stirring up division, discord and hostility between
amateurs, diverting them from other issues, and denying amateur
traditions and contributions to society and the radio art.

Inventive Licensing comes to mind as the big divider.

You're probably right. Everyone who holds an amateur ticket likely had
some incentive. Len had none.

Of course I'm right! ;^)

Len, like any Americans who've shown an interest in the ARS, have a
disincentive. It is the Morse requirement for HF access.

Your claim might ring true if Len had bothered to obtain a code-free
ticket at some point. He hasn't.

Of whom are you speaking, old man?

Your name is Len, isn't it, grizzled older man?

I've had HF access several times in the last half century, all legal,
all involving actual communications. No amateur license was
required at any time. No morse skill needed whatsoever.

Your memory must be failing in your dotage. Amateur radio is the topic.
Your HF access of the past isn't an issue this time around.

The discussion should be about the federal regulations for an amateur
radio license regulation, not the individual "motivations" of any
aspirant to an avocational radio activity.

Maybe you feel that's what it should be about....but it isn't.

You constantly insist on personalizing everything about those who do
not share your holy and illustrious viewpoints.

I neither do it constantly nor with all others. You personalize many
discussions here. How do you explain that away?

That is your problem
and you continually foul this newsgroup with arrogant remarks against
the person of those of opposite opinions. Not my problem but
certainly yours in attitude.

It doesn't seem to be a problem for me, Len. At the moment, judging
from your reply, it is one for you. Deal with it.

Amateur radio is supposed to be a recreation, a fun activity involving
radio, licensing required only because of physics of EM waves and
federal regulation.

It is all of that and more, old gent.

Instead, you've turned it into a battleground of
your own, arrogantly demanding adherence to your personal view-
points.

No, I've not turned amateur radio into any battlegrounds nor did I note
your presence on any of the ham bands this past week.

You join several others in here in so doing, some past, some
present. That's counter to the original purpose of "the service," isn't
it? Or is it?

Are you confusing amateur radio with this newsgroup? Is it your opinion
that I'm required to quietly accept your guff?

Perhaps you embody modern amateur radio, a constant striving for
leading the pack in competitive activity? A competition complete
with taunts and jibes and outright insults against those who
"challenge" your arrogant expertise? If so, there is no wonder that
amateur radio has not increased in number commensurate with
the growth in population.

Well, old chap, it looks as if you're wrong in your assumptions yet
again. It is a cinch that you don't embody any of amateur radio--past,
present or future. That hasn't stopped you from doing the very things
of which you accuse others. You are--what is it you call
it?..."beligerant" toward radio amateurs who tire of your tales of life
at ADA a half century ago.

Enjoy your little clique of morse code uber alles in amateur radio
where the "bands" are only on HF. Feel superior that you've met all
the criteria and standards established by long-gone amateurs of past
times. You are important, superior, vital, and that is all that matters.

I enjoy morse code, SSB, FM, RTTY, Pactor and several other modes on MW,
HF, VHF and UHF. My "little clique" numbers hundreds of thousands in
this country alone. I haven't noted your presence.

You should be demanding that ALL test for high rates of morse in
order to become fully FDA licensed as a ham. Condemn all those
who cannot learn, will not learn, nor share your opinions.

Morse or no morse, consider yourself condemned.

May Santa bring you an irrepairable intermittent in your favorite HF
transceiver along with a truckload of dusty, high-sulphur-content
coal in your stocking. Merry Christmas.

Do you really know of any irrepairable intermittents? I have no need of
the coal. I heat with gas. Come to think of it, I'd gather from the
length of your pontifications that you do too.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.


You'll pardon our confusion.

Our confusion? Do you have a Frenchman in your pocket?

You've been acting as Len's representative
for a few posts now in speaking of his motivations or lack thereof. I
wasn't aware that you'd turned the controls over to him.

Dave K8MN

I haven't.

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

...written by many of the beligerant...

"belligerent"

...as long as such beligerance remains rooted

"belligerence"

Dave K8MN

Dave, once again, takes the honors at the national spelling bee,
beating out 9 year old Mary Caldwell, who ran off-stage in tears.

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


pssssst, I think Len is superior at pulling Dave's strings...

Shhhh...don't tell anybody... :-) :-) :-)

Is this the part where you make me one of your playthings or have me
fall into one of your carefully laid snares, Len?

And he has arrived. Congratulations Dave.

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Steve, I think it has to do with the disincentive of Morse Code
testing. You might want to check with Len on this.


You'll pardon our confusion.

Our confusion? Do you have a Frenchman in your pocket?

*Our* confusion--Steve's and mine. Steve wrote (and you snipped):

"Lennie's "disincentive" had/has NOTHING to do with Morse Code,
Brain...It has to do with having absolutely NO understanding of what
Amateur Radio is all about, what it's purpose and capabilities are, and
what it means to be a 'part' of something."

You've been acting as Len's representative
for a few posts now in speaking of his motivations or lack thereof. I
wasn't aware that you'd turned the controls over to him.

I haven't.

Someone should tell you that he's busy writing his own views on the
subject...in a way.

Dave K8MN

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

...written by many of the beligerant...

"belligerent"

...as long as such beligerance remains rooted

"belligerence"

Dave K8MN

Dave, once again, takes the honors at the national spelling bee,
beating out 9 year old Mary Caldwell, who ran off-stage in tears.

Actually, I took top honors from seventy-year-old Leonard "Atila"
Anderson, a PROFESSIONAL writer.

Dave K8MN

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


pssssst, I think Len is superior at pulling Dave's strings...

Shhhh...don't tell anybody... :-) :-) :-)

Is this the part where you make me one of your playthings or have me
fall into one of your carefully laid snares, Len?

And he has arrived. Congratulations Dave.

Len is clearly the Wile E. Coyote of r.r.a.p.

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , "Kim W5TIT"

writes:

Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


pssssst, I think Len is superior at pulling Dave's strings...

Shhhh...don't tell anybody... :-) :-) :-)

Is this the part where you make me one of your playthings or have me
fall into one of your carefully laid snares, Len?

And he has arrived. Congratulations Dave.

...told ya. :-)

LHA

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...

You're *assuming* that everyone who has an opinion on amateur
radio
policy issues is interested in amateur radio having the best
possible
future. And in most cases that's true - but not when Mr. Anderson
is
involved. His behavior here, and his comments to FCC, indicate
that
he's *not* interested in what's best for amateur radio. He's just
interested in stirring up division, discord and hostility between
amateurs, diverting them from other issues, and denying amateur
traditions and contributions to society and the radio art.

Inventive Licensing comes to mind as the big divider.

You're probably right. Everyone who holds an amateur ticket likely
had
some incentive. Len had none.

Of course I'm right! ;^)

Len, like any Americans who've shown an interest in the ARS, have a
disincentive. It is the Morse requirement for HF access.

Your claim might ring true if Len had bothered to obtain a code-free
ticket at some point. He hasn't.

Of whom are you speaking, old man?

Your name is Len, isn't it, grizzled older man?

I've had HF access several times in the last half century, all legal,
all involving actual communications. No amateur license was
required at any time. No morse skill needed whatsoever.

Your memory must be failing in your dotage. Amateur radio is the topic.

It is?!?!?

I thought it was all about vehicle codes under the subject heading
of "Is Michael Jackson Innocent."

I thought it was all about national economy, presidential politics,
the antics of State, and general subjects that must be dear to
hamhearts everywhere that do NOT touch on amateur radio in
all those other threads.

Your HF access of the past isn't an issue this time around.

Neither is the HF access I had from a Ventura marina a few
months ago...again (for at least the 5th time) without requiring
any amateur radio license or knowing morse code.

The discussion should be about the federal regulations for an amateur
radio license regulation, not the individual "motivations" of any
aspirant to an avocational radio activity.

Maybe you feel that's what it should be about....but it isn't.

It seems to be about ANYTHING EXCEPT amateur radio. It seems
to be all about Kolonel Klunk wanting retribution for some imaginary
wrongs done to his psyche in here.

You constantly insist on personalizing everything about those who do
not share your holy and illustrious viewpoints.

I neither do it constantly nor with all others. You personalize many
discussions here. How do you explain that away?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Yes, I copy down the screen name of the individual
I am replying to...call that "personalizing?" :-)

That is your problem
and you continually foul this newsgroup with arrogant remarks against
the person of those of opposite opinions. Not my problem but
certainly yours in attitude.

It doesn't seem to be a problem for me, Len. At the moment, judging
from your reply, it is one for you. Deal with it.

I did already. You got what you deserve. Be happy with that.

Amateur radio is supposed to be a recreation, a fun activity involving
radio, licensing required only because of physics of EM waves and
federal regulation.

It is all of that and more, old gent.

Yes, to you. To you, amateur radio is a wondrous experience where
you may have title, rank, privileges beyond your wildest dreams, of
doing things that mundane professionals could never do by constantly
recreating the past in the future and pioneering the HF airways. It is
your Lifestyle.

Ho hum.


Instead, you've turned it into a battleground of
your own, arrogantly demanding adherence to your personal view-
points.

No, I've not turned amateur radio into any battlegrounds nor did I note
your presence on any of the ham bands this past week.

Is it now a requirement to "have presence" on ham bands in order
to even speak of amateur radio?

Is the FCC requiring all Wireless Bureau staffers to have amateur
radio licenses in order to regulate U.S. amateur radio?

You join several others in here in so doing, some past, some
present. That's counter to the original purpose of "the service," isn't
it? Or is it?

Are you confusing amateur radio with this newsgroup? Is it your opinion
that I'm required to quietly accept your guff?

If I have to "accept" your guff, then you have to accept mine.

YOU deal with it. [in your own quaint SS manner, of course]


Perhaps you embody modern amateur radio, a constant striving for
leading the pack in competitive activity? A competition complete
with taunts and jibes and outright insults against those who
"challenge" your arrogant expertise? If so, there is no wonder that
amateur radio has not increased in number commensurate with
the growth in population.

Well, old chap, it looks as if you're wrong in your assumptions yet
again.

No, old chop, I don't "assume" anything. I tell it like it is. You are
just another arrogant control-freak wanting others to be subservient
to your viewpoints. You can't accept a damn thing if it isn't in line
with your holy opinions.

It is a cinch that you don't embody any of amateur radio--past,
present or future.

Absolutely TRUE. I've been a professional for over a half
century.

Herr Robust must think that professionals are not required to have
any recreation. Is it that way in your SS?

of which you accuse others. You are--what is it you call
it?..."beligerant" toward radio amateurs who tire of your tales of life
at ADA a half century ago.

So...if the U.S. Army hasn't been using OOK CW on HF for six
decades, that is "tiring?"

You must not be tired. You must be in coma. You are not
conscious of anything that has happened in the last six decades.

Enjoy your little clique of morse code uber alles in amateur radio
where the "bands" are only on HF. Feel superior that you've met all
the criteria and standards established by long-gone amateurs of past
times. You are important, superior, vital, and that is all that
matters.

I enjoy morse code, SSB, FM, RTTY, Pactor and several other modes on MW,
HF, VHF and UHF. My "little clique" numbers hundreds of thousands in
this country alone. I haven't noted your presence.

You wouldn't note anything. All you can see is your own glorious,
glowing presence radiating back at you.

No problem. YOUR presence hasn't been noted in any professional
writings or periodicals.

You should be demanding that ALL test for high rates of morse in
order to become fully FDA licensed as a ham. Condemn all those
who cannot learn, will not learn, nor share your opinions.

Morse or no morse, consider yourself condemned.

"Condemned" only to calling an asshole an asshole.

Not very holiday-like but it is true.


May Santa bring you an irrepairable intermittent in your favorite HF
transceiver along with a truckload of dusty, high-sulphur-content
coal in your stocking. Merry Christmas.

Do you really know of any irrepairable intermittents?

Yourself.

I have no need of
the coal. I heat with gas.

Everyone is aware of the "gas" you emit in here.

Say goodnight, Gracie.

LHA