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How long is element 1 good for
Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1)
along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story? Chris, N7FNB |
"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message ... Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1) along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story? Chris, N7FNB A CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Element) is only good for upgrading for 365 days no matter what. However, if you pass your Technician test and receive a Tech license, that is good for credit for Element 2 as long as you keep the license current (or within the grace period also I believe) even though the CSCE has expired. Here's how the code test works: CSCE for Element 1 - good for upgrade credit for 365 days but good for the Tech with HF operating privileges as long as your Tech license is valid and you keep that CSCE to prove that you passed the element. So now let's look at your hypothetical case: Today you pass the Element 1 (code) and Element 2 (Tech written). You will receive CSCEs for both. Your license arrives within a few days and off you go happily operating. Now 3 years pass. Your CSCEs will not be good for upgrade credit BUT the Technician license will still give you credit for Element 2. You will not have to retake Element 2. However, you will have to retake Element 1 because your upgrade credit has expired (it remains legal for you to use your HF privileges even so). Thus to get a General license, you will have to present your Tech license, pass the Element 3 test and re-pass the Element 1 test. Now lets suppose you decide to go to Extra after you get your General. All that you will have to do is present your General license (as long as it is in good standing) and pass the Element 4 test. I hope this helps. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has
passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365 days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General. On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:59:41 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message .. . Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1) along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story? Chris, N7FNB A CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Element) is only good for upgrading for 365 days no matter what. However, if you pass your Technician test and receive a Tech license, that is good for credit for Element 2 as long as you keep the license current (or within the grace period also I believe) even though the CSCE has expired. Here's how the code test works: CSCE for Element 1 - good for upgrade credit for 365 days but good for the Tech with HF operating privileges as long as your Tech license is valid and you keep that CSCE to prove that you passed the element. So now let's look at your hypothetical case: Today you pass the Element 1 (code) and Element 2 (Tech written). You will receive CSCEs for both. Your license arrives within a few days and off you go happily operating. Now 3 years pass. Your CSCEs will not be good for upgrade credit BUT the Technician license will still give you credit for Element 2. You will not have to retake Element 2. However, you will have to retake Element 1 because your upgrade credit has expired (it remains legal for you to use your HF privileges even so). Thus to get a General license, you will have to present your Tech license, pass the Element 3 test and re-pass the Element 1 test. Now lets suppose you decide to go to Extra after you get your General. All that you will have to do is present your General license (as long as it is in good standing) and pass the Element 4 test. I hope this helps. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message ... My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365 days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General. Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your license lapse. You do NOT have to retest to keep the privileges. You do have to keep a copy of the CSCE in your file even though it has expired in case you ever need to prove it. To use the CSCE as credit for the General upgrade, you have to upgrade within 365 days. If you do not upgrade in 365 days, you will have to retest on code for the General. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:59:41 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message .. . Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1) along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story? Chris, N7FNB A CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Element) is only good for upgrading for 365 days no matter what. However, if you pass your Technician test and receive a Tech license, that is good for credit for Element 2 as long as you keep the license current (or within the grace period also I believe) even though the CSCE has expired. Here's how the code test works: CSCE for Element 1 - good for upgrade credit for 365 days but good for the Tech with HF operating privileges as long as your Tech license is valid and you keep that CSCE to prove that you passed the element. So now let's look at your hypothetical case: Today you pass the Element 1 (code) and Element 2 (Tech written). You will receive CSCEs for both. Your license arrives within a few days and off you go happily operating. Now 3 years pass. Your CSCEs will not be good for upgrade credit BUT the Technician license will still give you credit for Element 2. You will not have to retake Element 2. However, you will have to retake Element 1 because your upgrade credit has expired (it remains legal for you to use your HF privileges even so). Thus to get a General license, you will have to present your Tech license, pass the Element 3 test and re-pass the Element 1 test. Now lets suppose you decide to go to Extra after you get your General. All that you will have to do is present your General license (as long as it is in good standing) and pass the Element 4 test. I hope this helps. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message ... My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365 days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General. Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your license lapse. You do NOT have to retest to keep the privileges. Correct. You do have to keep a copy of the CSCE in your file even though it has expired in case you ever need to prove it. Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed 5 wpm. To use the CSCE as credit for the General upgrade, you have to upgrade within 365 days. If you do not upgrade in 365 days, you will have to retest on code for the General. My understanding is Novice has permanent credit for 5 wpm. No CSCE needed if the Novice has a valid current license. |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message k.net... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message ... My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365 days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General. Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your license lapse. You do NOT have to retest to keep the privileges. Correct. You do have to keep a copy of the CSCE in your file even though it has expired in case you ever need to prove it. Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed 5 wpm. Yes that is true but I was addressing the case of someone who's first license was a Technician. Since the the no-code Tech license became available over a decade ago, very few people have entered the ARS through the Novice license and since April of 2000, the issuance of new Novice licenses was discontinued. So a lot of these people have never had a Novice license to use as proof although it would indeed fulfill the requirements. To use the CSCE as credit for the General upgrade, you have to upgrade within 365 days. If you do not upgrade in 365 days, you will have to retest on code for the General. My understanding is Novice has permanent credit for 5 wpm. No CSCE needed if the Novice has a valid current license. Yes that is true but I was only addressing the case of where all they have is the CSCE. i.e. They never held a Novice license. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee, you addressed exactly the case I had in mind, a newly licensed
Tech, who then passes element 1, and plans to upgrade to General in the future. Chris Lamb, N7FNB On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:49:28 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: "Bill Sohl" wrote in message nk.net... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message ... My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365 days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General. Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your license lapse. You do NOT have to retest to keep the privileges. Correct. You do have to keep a copy of the CSCE in your file even though it has expired in case you ever need to prove it. Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed 5 wpm. Yes that is true but I was addressing the case of someone who's first license was a Technician. Since the the no-code Tech license became available over a decade ago, very few people have entered the ARS through the Novice license and since April of 2000, the issuance of new Novice licenses was discontinued. So a lot of these people have never had a Novice license to use as proof although it would indeed fulfill the requirements. To use the CSCE as credit for the General upgrade, you have to upgrade within 365 days. If you do not upgrade in 365 days, you will have to retest on code for the General. My understanding is Novice has permanent credit for 5 wpm. No CSCE needed if the Novice has a valid current license. Yes that is true but I was only addressing the case of where all they have is the CSCE. i.e. They never held a Novice license. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed 5 wpm. Yes that is true but I was addressing the case of someone who's first license was a Technician. If it was a tech plus, that means that they passed a 5wpm code test. Which should also be good. What strangely enough happened is say someone who never passed a 5wpm test but passed 13 or 20, doesn't get the lifetime credit. Some FCC brearucrat writing the rules didn't realize that he should have written "5 WPM or faster". He might have thught 5 was harder than 13 or something like that... |
"Robert Casey" wrote in message
... Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed 5 wpm. Yes that is true but I was addressing the case of someone who's first license was a Technician. If it was a tech plus, that means that they passed a 5wpm code test. Which should also be good. What strangely enough happened is say someone who never passed a 5wpm test but passed 13 or 20, doesn't get the lifetime credit. Some FCC brearucrat writing the rules didn't realize that he should have written "5 WPM or faster". He might have thught 5 was harder than 13 or something like that... Kinda scary, eh? Should serve as a reminder to all who repeat the "but the FCC says..., but the FCC says..., but the FCC says..." mantra solely because it serves their current agenda. 73 de Bert WA2SI |
In article , "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE"
writes: Dee, you addressed exactly the case I had in mind, a newly licensed Tech, who then passes element 1, and plans to upgrade to General in the future. Dee's information is right on the money. Unless the person wants to have to take Element 1 again in the future, s/he should plan to upgrade to General within 365 days. Yes, it's odd. An expired Novice license from 1952 is good for Element 1 credit but a 366-day-old CSCE isn't. But them's the rules - for now. 73 es GL de Jim, N2EY |
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In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes: "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message .. . My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365 days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General. Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your license lapse. Not quite. There will NOT being any renewals of a Novice. Or of an Advanced class license. NOT after 2010. As the restructured amateur radio regulations of 2000 are concerned, the "forever" is going to be over in just about 6 years. Sic transit gloria mundi. WMD |
Subject: How long is element 1 good for
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 1/11/04 11:15 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: In article om, "Dee D. Flint" writes: "DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message . .. My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365 days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General. Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your license lapse. Not quite. There will NOT being any renewals of a Novice. Or of an Advanced class license. NOT after 2010. Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. Len, you are completely mistaken. As the restructured amateur radio regulations of 2000 are concerned, the "forever" is going to be over in just about 6 years. How do you know that, Len? Do you have a crystal ball that tells you how the Federal Communications Commission will change the rules in the future? Because the current rules do not support anything you wrote. Here are the facts: 1) The Federal Communications Commission has continued to renew Novice licenses as Novice right through the rules changes of 2000. There are currently no pending plans for that to change. 2) The same is true for Advanced class licenses being renewed as Advanced. 3) Novice licenses, current or expired, convey Element 1 credit for the person who earned them. Len, it appears that you have become so desperate for attention in this newsgroup that you will stoop to posting inaccurate, false and mistaken information just to see if anyone is still reading your ramblings here. Poor, poor, misguided baby Len. The answer is that there are a few who still read your posts. Many others have killfiled you because of your behavior. Most of the time we simply ignore you, Len, because you're simply not worth our time or energy. Our reaction to you has moved from interest, to anger, to disgust, to sadness and finally to indifference. I have only bothered to post this reply because someone might mistakenly think you know what you are talking about. You do not know what you are talking about, and your information is worthless. You may claim you were merely making a prediction, but there is no indication of that in your post. Now you can get all upset and SHOUT some expletives at me. You can rail and fuss and fume over my being anonymous. You can clame that your posting was merely "a trap" and your poor grammar as some sort of "Proof". You can repeat your mistaken, incorrect, misleading, false information and otherwise carry on in typical immature, spoiled-brat Leonard Anderson fashion. And even more people will ignore you. But for the record: You are mistaken. Sic transit gloria mundi. WMD You may call yourself "WMD" but all you have destroyed is the respect anyone here ever had for you. P.S. Don't bother trying to find me. For I am already gone. |
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE wrote:
Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1) along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story? For upgrade purposes, 365 days, just like any other element credit on a CSCE. For operational purposes, forever (until the next rules change or you lose the document and have no proof of ever having passed code). |
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"Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Don't forget to factor in the leap year. |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And ... a code CSCE is only "good" as follows: 1. For upgrade to General, one year. However, once a General, then the element is part of the General package and allows upgrade to Extra without the one-year deadline or retaking. 2. Without upgrade to General/Extra, the element allows "Tech Plus" privileges, which were the bands and frequencies alloted to the Novice ticket, for as long as the holder remains a Technician. Carl |
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Don't forget to factor in the leap year. Absolutely. The rules say 365 days not 1 year. So if the dates would end up crossing February in a leap year, the CSCE is good for one day less than a year. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. Regardless of my wishes or your wishes, the government will take the time that it deems appropriate. Having dealt with a few government programs at times in my life, the snail's pace seems more typical than the speeding bullet pace. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. Regardless of my wishes or your wishes, the government will take the time that it deems appropriate. Having dealt with a few government programs at times in my life, the snail's pace seems more typical than the speeding bullet pace. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE However, the code test was abolished by the ITU way back on July 5th last year. More than one year from _now_ would be more than eighteen months, which doesn't seem likely to me, nor is that fast by any stretch. I am down for May 1st in the pool, which is only about 10 months. That maybe a little short, but I would be very surprised indeed if it went over 15 months, which would be this November. As I said, you would like to think it would take longer, but that is because you don't want it to happen. Perhaps I have picked an earlier date because I take the opposite view, but I doubt if I am out by more than a few months. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. Regardless of my wishes or your wishes, the government will take the time that it deems appropriate. Having dealt with a few government programs at times in my life, the snail's pace seems more typical than the speeding bullet pace. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE D2, you are so incredibly wise. You immediately spotted and understood the corruption in the N2EY/W5TIT exchanges, and knew to stay away. You knew that Morse Code testing is healthy, wealhty, and wise for the ARS, and must be retained under all circumstances. And now you know the mind of the US government. We are so incredibly lucky to have you post to RRAP. You are practically a Shaman, and we hang on your every word as to the future of the ARS. Thak you. We are not worthy. |
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Carl Zager wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And ... a code CSCE is only "good" as follows: 1. For upgrade to General, one year. However, once a General, then the ^^^^^^^^ NO! It's good for 365 days, which is NOT always equal to one year, especially when a leap year is involved. element is part of the General package and allows upgrade to Extra without the one-year deadline or retaking. 2. Without upgrade to General/Extra, the element allows "Tech Plus" privileges, which were the bands and frequencies alloted to the Novice ticket, for as long as the holder remains a Technician. |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Alun wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. Regardless of my wishes or your wishes, the government will take the time that it deems appropriate. Having dealt with a few government programs at times in my life, the snail's pace seems more typical than the speeding bullet pace. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE However, the code test was abolished by the ITU way back on July 5th last year. More than one year from _now_ would be more than eighteen months, which doesn't seem likely to me, nor is that fast by any stretch. So? That in no way means that the U.S. Government (FCC) EVER HAS TO adopt a completely code-free license structure at all. They could decide to keep everything status-quo, despite what the U.S. amateur community wants. What I say by this: That "it" could NEVER come. I am down for May 1st in the pool, which is only about 10 months. That maybe a little short, but I would be very surprised indeed if it went over 15 months, which would be this November. As I said, you would like to think it would take longer, but that is because you don't want it to happen. Perhaps I have picked an earlier date because I take the opposite view, but I doubt if I am out by more than a few months. |
Alun wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message .. . "Dee D. Flint" wrote in odigy.com: "Alun" wrote in message . 4... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. Regardless of my wishes or your wishes, the government will take the time that it deems appropriate. Having dealt with a few government programs at times in my life, the snail's pace seems more typical than the speeding bullet pace. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE However, the code test was abolished by the ITU way back on July 5th last year. More than one year from _now_ would be more than eighteen months, which doesn't seem likely to me, nor is that fast by any stretch. I am down for May 1st in the pool, which is only about 10 months. That maybe a little short, but I would be very surprised indeed if it went over 15 months, which would be this November. As I said, you would like to think it would take longer, but that is because you don't want it to happen. Perhaps I have picked an earlier date because I take the opposite view, but I doubt if I am out by more than a few But what does all this have to do with Kim's callsign? - Mike KB3EIA - |
D. Stussy wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Carl Zager wrote: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And ... a code CSCE is only "good" as follows: 1. For upgrade to General, one year. However, once a General, then the ^^^^^^^^ NO! It's good for 365 days, which is NOT always equal to one year, especially when a leap year is involved. Are leap seconds taken into account? - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. Regardless of my wishes or your wishes, the government will take the time that it deems appropriate. Having dealt with a few government programs at times in my life, the snail's pace seems more typical than the speeding bullet pace. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE D2, you are so incredibly wise. You immediately spotted and understood the corruption in the N2EY/W5TIT exchanges, and knew to stay away. You knew that Morse Code testing is healthy, wealhty, and wise for the ARS, and must be retained under all circumstances. And now you know the mind of the US government. We are so incredibly lucky to have you post to RRAP. You are practically a Shaman, and we hang on your every word as to the future of the ARS. Thak you. We are not worthy. I see you've had a bad day. Afterall I was merely posting my observations of the government inertia. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Mike Coslo wrote in :
Alun wrote: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in gy.com: "Alun" wrote in message . .. "Dee D. Flint" wrote in rodigy.com: "Alun" wrote in message .4... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, you'd like to think so, I'm sure. Regardless of my wishes or your wishes, the government will take the time that it deems appropriate. Having dealt with a few government programs at times in my life, the snail's pace seems more typical than the speeding bullet pace. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE However, the code test was abolished by the ITU way back on July 5th last year. More than one year from _now_ would be more than eighteen months, which doesn't seem likely to me, nor is that fast by any stretch. I am down for May 1st in the pool, which is only about 10 months. That maybe a little short, but I would be very surprised indeed if it went over 15 months, which would be this November. As I said, you would like to think it would take longer, but that is because you don't want it to happen. Perhaps I have picked an earlier date because I take the opposite view, but I doubt if I am out by more than a few But what does all this have to do with Kim's callsign? - Mike KB3EIA - Not much. There again, there does seem to be a correlation between pro-code testing and anti-t*ts! Put me down as anti-code testing and pro-t*ts!!! |
Nice one, Alun - tit for tat! :)
73, Leo (Seated in the same fan section as Alun - oh, yeah!) On 16 Jan 2004 05:23:15 GMT, Alun wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in : But what does all this have to do with Kim's callsign? - Mike KB3EIA - Not much. There again, there does seem to be a correlation between pro-code testing and anti-t*ts! Put me down as anti-code testing and pro-t*ts!!! |
And beer. Reminds me of a Zappa tune.
Leo wrote in message . .. Nice one, Alun - tit for tat! :) 73, Leo (Seated in the same fan section as Alun - oh, yeah!) On 16 Jan 2004 05:23:15 GMT, Alun wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in : But what does all this have to do with Kim's callsign? - Mike KB3EIA - Not much. There again, there does seem to be a correlation between pro-code testing and anti-t*ts! Put me down as anti-code testing and pro-t*ts!!! |
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Mike Coslo wrote:
D. Stussy wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Carl Zager wrote: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Alun" wrote in message ... I'm guessing that code CSCEs issued now will turn out to be good until element 1 is abolished. 73 de Alun, N3KIP Only if the code requirement is abolished in less than 365 days. Keep in mind that some of the petitions filed do call for keeping code for General or Extra while letting the Techs have some limited HF privileges. With the speed with the FCC is not moving, less than a year from now seems rather iffy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE And ... a code CSCE is only "good" as follows: 1. For upgrade to General, one year. However, once a General, then the ^^^^^^^^ NO! It's good for 365 days, which is NOT always equal to one year, especially when a leap year is involved. Are leap seconds taken into account? Since the TIME of the examination is not recorded on the CSCE, it is not possible nor relevent to determine the expiration of a CSCE to the nearest second. |
http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1 On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:24:44 GMT, "Bert Craig" wrote: "Robert Casey" wrote in message ... Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed 5 wpm. Yes that is true but I was addressing the case of someone who's first license was a Technician. If it was a tech plus, that means that they passed a 5wpm code test. Which should also be good. What strangely enough happened is say someone who never passed a 5wpm test but passed 13 or 20, doesn't get the lifetime credit. Some FCC brearucrat writing the rules didn't realize that he should have written "5 WPM or faster". He might have thught 5 was harder than 13 or something like that... Kinda scary, eh? Should serve as a reminder to all who repeat the "but the FCC says..., but the FCC says..., but the FCC says..." mantra solely because it serves their current agenda. 73 de Bert WA2SI |
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