"Arthur Harris" wrote in message
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The anonymous "KeyBoard In The Wilderness" wrote:
I write my government reps and the ARRL regularly -- do you ??

I did write ARRL when I was a member, and also spoke to their reps at club
meetings. But they always seemed more interested in justifying the
positions
the League was committed to than listening to members' ideas.


Did you try running for office yourself or, if you lacked time to run,
encouraging others with your views to run for office?

There comes a time when you have to think and act for yourself. If the
League is going to pander to the "give me a free upgrade" crowd, then
let
that crowd support them. I dropped my membership a few years ago after
seeing the League's "re-structuring" proposal.

Well you can drop out and scream on the NG's or you can work with and
thru
the ARRL to get things done.

I'm not screaming, just stating my opinion. I was a League member for many
years. But when they repeatedly take positions on important issues that I
think are wrong, why should I continue to support them? If they feel that
the long-time hams will always support them no matter what, they will
continue to ignore us and take us for granted. Perhaps if enough of the
Old
Timers drop out, they will get the message.


Did you try running for office yourself or, if you lacked time to run,
encouraging others with your views to run for office?

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

"William" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new
people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an
even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"William" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new
people
coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an
even
more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new

people

coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an

even

more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

She's *kind* of right, Brian. I'd modify it that the oldsters should be
the helpful type, not the ones spitting bile about how awful or stupid
everyone is anymore. 8^) I really enjoy talking with old timers about
ham radio and radio in general as long as I don't get an earful of vitriol.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
igy.com...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new

people

coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with
an

even

more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still
needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the
experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas
that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and
new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

She's *kind* of right, Brian. I'd modify it that the oldsters should be
the helpful type, not the ones spitting bile about how awful or stupid
everyone is anymore. 8^) I really enjoy talking with old timers about
ham radio and radio in general as long as I don't get an earful of
vitriol.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Keep in mind also that the vitriolic ones tend to be highly vocal and
noticeable thus giving people the impression that there are a lot of them
when in reality they are only a handful.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
William wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

igy.com...

Old timers dropping out will not do a thing. There are enough new

people

coming in that they won't even notice. Instead we will be left with an

even

more unbalanced viewpoint.

Depends on your point of view. I'm going to encourage more cranky old
hams to drop out.

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Here we go again with the demographics. The ARS is a geriatric service.

Too bad they took the birth date out of the database.

She's *kind* of right, Brian. I'd modify it that the oldsters should be
the helpful type, not the ones spitting bile about how awful or stupid
everyone is anymore. 8^) I really enjoy talking with old timers about
ham radio and radio in general as long as I don't get an earful of vitriol.

- Mike KB3EIA -

I kind of miss W0EX.

"William" wrote in message
om...

I kind of miss W0EX.

Funny you should say that. I was just looking at his QSL card wondering how
he is. I sent him a few e-mails to both addresses known to work...and no
reply. Hope he's ok.

73 de Bert
WA2SI

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Well said, Dee!

There's also the need to recognize that newer is not always better, yet if
you never try anyhting different you may never get anything different.

"The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change
amid order." - Alfred North Whitehead

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

Although new versus old does cause friction, the balance is still needed.
The new bring fresh enthusiasm and new ideas. The old have the
experience
to weigh these ideas and modify them so they will work or to spot ideas
that
have been tried in the past and known to fail. We need both old and new.

Well said, Dee!

There's also the need to recognize that newer is not always better, yet if
you never try anyhting different you may never get anything different.

"The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve
change
amid order." - Alfred North Whitehead

73 de Jim, N2EY

The quote says it even better though.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE