"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

I make this suggestion in dead seriousness. ARRL needs to consult with
a licensed psychologist stat, if not put one on staff retainer. Perhaps
he or she could explain why this is such a stupid idea.


Ha! The ARRL is about nothing but marketing anymore. This is a great
marketing effort to them: become the good cop and get hundreds to join, or
something along those lines.

Kim W5TIT

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

I make this suggestion in dead seriousness. ARRL needs to consult with
a licensed psychologist stat, if not put one on staff retainer. Perhaps
he or she could explain why this is such a stupid idea.

Ha! The ARRL is about nothing but marketing anymore. This is a great
marketing effort to them: become the good cop and get hundreds to join, or
something along those lines.

Just discovered that? :-)

The biggest moneymaker at the ARRL is their Publishing. They break
even with QST but the gold is in the numerous books they have for
sale (shipping charges extra if ordered from Newington but same
prices, no shipping charges if bought over the counter at HRO).

Publishing pays nearly all the bills at ARRL, including all the so-called
membership services that are supposed to be so wonderful and
"cost nothing" to members...renting of banquet rooms for the BoD
get-togethers (and probably travel expenses, too?)...maintenance of
W1AW and the museum...and the legal and lobbying fees in DC.

Membership fees don't go for much directly. That pays for the
"fulfillment services" (mailing lists, printing, distribution of QST) with
the rest of it spread throughout Hq; membership magazine QST
gets its income from advertising charges...just like the other
independent magazines of interest to amateurs.

The 2002 Federal Tax Returns for ARRL showed an operating
budget of around $12 million. Given only 170 thousand or so
memberships, that multiplied by annual dues isn't going to hit any
$12 million.

ARRL stays alive by BEING a business. Their self-promotion is a
necessary thing. Unfortunately, many members don't see that,
preferring the delusion of some altruistic, noble, kind, and good
organization "solely for members." shrug

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

I make this suggestion in dead seriousness. ARRL needs to consult with
a licensed psychologist stat, if not put one on staff retainer. Perhaps
he or she could explain why this is such a stupid idea.

Ha! The ARRL is about nothing but marketing anymore. This is a great
marketing effort to them: become the good cop and get hundreds to join, or
something along those lines.

Just discovered that? :-)

The biggest moneymaker at the ARRL is their Publishing. They break
even with QST but the gold is in the numerous books they have for
sale (shipping charges extra if ordered from Newington but same
prices, no shipping charges if bought over the counter at HRO).

Publishing pays nearly all the bills at ARRL, including all the so-called
membership services that are supposed to be so wonderful and
"cost nothing" to members...renting of banquet rooms for the BoD
get-togethers (and probably travel expenses, too?)...maintenance of
W1AW and the museum...and the legal and lobbying fees in DC.

Membership fees don't go for much directly. That pays for the
"fulfillment services" (mailing lists, printing, distribution of QST) with
the rest of it spread throughout Hq; membership magazine QST
gets its income from advertising charges...just like the other
independent magazines of interest to amateurs.

The 2002 Federal Tax Returns for ARRL showed an operating
budget of around $12 million. Given only 170 thousand or so
memberships, that multiplied by annual dues isn't going to hit any
$12 million.

ARRL stays alive by BEING a business. Their self-promotion is a
necessary thing. Unfortunately, many members don't see that,
preferring the delusion of some altruistic, noble, kind, and good
organization "solely for members." shrug

LHA / WMD


Len, wasn't it Mike Deignan that used to beat the "publishing" drum?

Don't forget the advertising sales in all those publications, and of
course, the endowment funds.

bb

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , "Kim W5TIT"

writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

I make this suggestion in dead seriousness. ARRL needs to consult with
a licensed psychologist stat, if not put one on staff retainer. Perhaps
he or she could explain why this is such a stupid idea.

Ha! The ARRL is about nothing but marketing anymore. This is a great
marketing effort to them: become the good cop and get hundreds to join, or
something along those lines.

Just discovered that? :-)

The biggest moneymaker at the ARRL is their Publishing. They break
even with QST but the gold is in the numerous books they have for
sale (shipping charges extra if ordered from Newington but same
prices, no shipping charges if bought over the counter at HRO).

Publishing pays nearly all the bills at ARRL, including all the
so-called
membership services that are supposed to be so wonderful and
"cost nothing" to members...renting of banquet rooms for the BoD
get-togethers (and probably travel expenses, too?)...maintenance of
W1AW and the museum...and the legal and lobbying fees in DC.

Membership fees don't go for much directly. That pays for the
"fulfillment services" (mailing lists, printing, distribution of QST)
with
the rest of it spread throughout Hq; membership magazine QST
gets its income from advertising charges...just like the other
independent magazines of interest to amateurs.

The 2002 Federal Tax Returns for ARRL showed an operating
budget of around $12 million. Given only 170 thousand or so
memberships, that multiplied by annual dues isn't going to hit any
$12 million.

ARRL stays alive by BEING a business. Their self-promotion is a
necessary thing. Unfortunately, many members don't see that,
preferring the delusion of some altruistic, noble, kind, and good
organization "solely for members." shrug

LHA / WMD


Len, wasn't it Mike Deignan that used to beat the "publishing" drum?

Don't forget the advertising sales in all those publications, and of
course, the endowment funds.

Mike who?!? :-)

QST's advertising "card" is on the League website and anyone who
has more time than they can spend on something useful can grab
an issue of QST and figure out the approximate income from QST
ads each month. That's enough to pay for the staff salaries of QST,
the paper-printing-binding costs, and some of the Fullfillment
services (list maintenance, distribution, delivery)

Since ARRL controls QST, they can get FREE advertising for
whatever else ARRL is publishing. They do. It's an all-around
money-winner since they don't pay much for submitted work by
others. Since ARRL arranges to OWN first rights to all articles in
QST, they can reprint that material in Handbooks or anything else
as much and as many times as they wish without giving a cent
more in compensation to authors. Fabulous setup for making a
bit of money for the League. They've got it sewn up tight. :-)

Note: Retail outlets for League publications make a small profit
on publishing sales, yet the price for each one is the same whether
one buys it in HRO or orders from Newington. The difference is
that anyone ordering from Newington has to ALSO pay shipping
charges! Double profits...no cost to them for shipping and they
make the retailer's discount difference for themselves! Lovely.

"Endowment funds?" I doubt there are many millionaires out
there bequeathing large sums to the League. Nowhere close to
Kroc endowments. It is a kind of crock, though.

[now watch all the ARRL syncophants come out, panting with rage
and vitriol for Telling It Like It Really Is...:-) ]

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

Since ARRL controls QST, they can get FREE advertising for
whatever else ARRL is publishing. They do. It's an all-around
money-winner since they don't pay much for submitted work by
others.

Controls QST? Leonard, the League owns QST. It is the ARRL's
membership magazine. Imagine getting free ARRL adversts in the ARRL
magazine. You may have blown the cover off this thing.

Since ARRL arranges to OWN first rights to all articles in
QST, they can reprint that material in Handbooks or anything else
as much and as many times as they wish without giving a cent
more in compensation to authors. Fabulous setup for making a
bit of money for the League. They've got it sewn up tight. :-)

I'd think a fellow who frequently touts his talents as a "PROFESSIONAL
WRITER" would be up on what "first rights" are all about.

www.writing-world.com says:

" 'First' rights give a publication the right to be first to publish
your material in either a particular medium or a particular location.
FNASR, for example, generally applies to print publication, within North
America. First British rights means the right to publish a piece first
within Britain -- even if it has already been published somewhere else.
First electronic rights means the right to be first to provide the
material in electronic format. Note that one can sell many different
variations on 'first' rights, as long as these variations don't
overlap."

So either QST isn't buying only "first rights" or you have made yet
another error. Let's give your statement the last rites.

Note: Retail outlets for League publications make a small profit
on publishing sales, yet the price for each one is the same whether
one buys it in HRO or orders from Newington. The difference is
that anyone ordering from Newington has to ALSO pay shipping
charges! Double profits...no cost to them for shipping and they
make the retailer's discount difference for themselves! Lovely.

There's one interpretation. The dealer can sell the books without
shipping charges, thus saving a buyer the shipping charges. I don't
have an amateur radio dealer closer than two hours away. If I order the
ARRL Handbook from R&L Electronics or Universal Amateur Radio, I'm going
to pay the same price as if I'd bought from ARRL--and I'm going to pay
*shipping*.

"Endowment funds?" I doubt there are many millionaires out
there bequeathing large sums to the League. Nowhere close to
Kroc endowments. It is a kind of crock, though.

You'd be surprised. Then again, you aren't a radio amateur nor are you
an ARRL member.

[now watch all the ARRL syncophants come out, panting with rage
and vitriol for Telling It Like It Really Is...:-) ]

Leonard, the word is "sycophants". Master it. Make it your own.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Leonard, the word is "sycophants". Master it. Make it your own.

Dave K8MN

Dave, you appear to have it mastered. Run with it.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

Leonard, the word is "sycophants". Master it. Make it your own.

Dave, you appear to have it mastered. Run with it.

Well, well. Begin writing of sycophants and one pops out of the
woodwork.
Give my regards to Doctor Evil.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

The biggest moneymaker at the ARRL is their Publishing. They break
even with QST but the gold is in the numerous books they have for
sale (shipping charges extra if ordered from Newington but same
prices, no shipping charges if bought over the counter at HRO).

Why is with your shipping charges fetish? There should be some
incentive for folks to buy League publications from dealers, saving
shipping costs (that's if the consumers forget that they are going to
pay sales tax when they buy from dealers). MFJ does the same thing.
Buy direct from MFJ and pay full list price. Almost all MFJ dealers
discount substantially.

Publishing pays nearly all the bills at ARRL, including all the so-called
membership services that are supposed to be so wonderful and
"cost nothing" to members...renting of banquet rooms for the BoD
get-togethers (and probably travel expenses, too?)...maintenance of
W1AW and the museum...and the legal and lobbying fees in DC.

Tell us how that differs from how things work at AARP, NRA, VFW or
American Legion, Len.

Membership fees don't go for much directly. That pays for the
"fulfillment services" (mailing lists, printing, distribution of QST) with
the rest of it spread throughout Hq; membership magazine QST
gets its income from advertising charges...just like the other
independent magazines of interest to amateurs.

The 2002 Federal Tax Returns for ARRL showed an operating
budget of around $12 million. Given only 170 thousand or so
memberships, that multiplied by annual dues isn't going to hit any
$12 million.

ARRL stays alive by BEING a business. Their self-promotion is a
necessary thing. Unfortunately, many members don't see that,
preferring the delusion of some altruistic, noble, kind, and good
organization "solely for members." shrug

What is the deal with you and the ARRL? You aren't a League member and
you aren't a radio amateur. What is any of this to you?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:


The biggest moneymaker at the ARRL is their Publishing. They break
even with QST but the gold is in the numerous books they have for
sale (shipping charges extra if ordered from Newington but same
prices, no shipping charges if bought over the counter at HRO).


Why is with your shipping charges fetish? There should be some
incentive for folks to buy League publications from dealers, saving
shipping costs (that's if the consumers forget that they are going to
pay sales tax when they buy from dealers). MFJ does the same thing.
Buy direct from MFJ and pay full list price. Almost all MFJ dealers
discount substantially.


Publishing pays nearly all the bills at ARRL, including all the so-called
membership services that are supposed to be so wonderful and
"cost nothing" to members...renting of banquet rooms for the BoD
get-togethers (and probably travel expenses, too?)...maintenance of
W1AW and the museum...and the legal and lobbying fees in DC.


Tell us how that differs from how things work at AARP, NRA, VFW or
American Legion, Len.


Membership fees don't go for much directly. That pays for the
"fulfillment services" (mailing lists, printing, distribution of QST) with
the rest of it spread throughout Hq; membership magazine QST
gets its income from advertising charges...just like the other
independent magazines of interest to amateurs.

The 2002 Federal Tax Returns for ARRL showed an operating
budget of around $12 million. Given only 170 thousand or so
memberships, that multiplied by annual dues isn't going to hit any
$12 million.

ARRL stays alive by BEING a business. Their self-promotion is a
necessary thing. Unfortunately, many members don't see that,
preferring the delusion of some altruistic, noble, kind, and good
organization "solely for members." shrug


What is the deal with you and the ARRL? You aren't a League member and
you aren't a radio amateur. What is any of this to you?

And what is the deal with the publications in general? I enjoy them and
buy them. They gather information that is of interest to Hams, and we
buy them and they make money. They are happy with the arrangement and so
am I and plenty of other people. Sounds like the American way to me!

- Mike KB3EIA -