On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:25:38 GMT, Leo wrote:

Which seems like a pretty cumbersome process - I wonder why the
citizenship rules were placed in the US/Canada agreement? One would
think that the licence would be sufficient to prove competence, and
residency to prove QTH...

Th4 U S cannot enter into a treaty that gives citizens of a third
country privileges irregardless of whether they are permanent US
residents or not. The treaty affects citizens of the two countries
alone, CEPT notwithstanding.

Become a US citizen and the problem goes away.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:

I can only hope that someone recorded that banquet talk. Of course most
of Shepherd's stuff was that entertaining. That voice we hearing
narrating "A Christmas Story" is his.

He and Jack Fulmer W4HAV (later W4YF) opened a Volkswagen dealership way
too soon after the war.

Yeah,Yanks were nowhere near accepting sub-compacts in that timeframe.
Nor were they very anxious to do biz with the Huns.

People weren't quite ready for the car. The
place was on the Kentucky shore opposite Cincinnati, where Jean was
working at WLW.

I'm fairly familiar with that area, been in and out of the airport any
number of times on biz in Cincinnati and in KY. Where is WLW vs. the
airport?

USAir provided me with another of their "adventure flights" going in
one afternoon. Unbelievable summer downpour, incoming flights were
kept circling. Maybe 45 minutes after the left seat announced that we
were going to be on hold "for a few minutes" he announced that we "had
a fuel problem" and that he was on final ready or not. Splash. Looked
at first like he landed in the river. That was the afternoon the
Weather Service measured three inches of rain in one hour at the
Cincinnati airport.

A nice bit of nostalgia! Most of the catalog houses had at least some
ham gear. It is interesting to note that famed industrial designer
Raymond Loewy designed the S-40 cabinetry.

Note that Sears, Hallicrafters and Loewy were all based in Chicago.

He is the fellow who brought
us the '47 Studebaker Starlight Coupe and '53 Starliner Coupe, the '61
Avanti,
the S-1 steam locomotive (Pennsylvania RR), that sharp-looking fifties
Coca-Cola dispenser that we'd see in diners and drug stores, and all
sorts of products from pencil sharpeners to refrigerators.

Whew. You hit some more buttons with this one. I like the T1 better
than the S1. But the K4 is the ultimate classic PRR power.

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/prrt1.html

Raymond Loewy, Dad and me . . .

Dad . . at sixtysomething he decided he'd had enough "family cars" and
announced that he was gonna buy a Corvette. Only over Mom's dead body
he was gonna buy a Corvette. Back to the drawing board. "OK, I'll buy
a Studebaker GT Hawk". 1963. Mom didn't bark as much at that one so he
ordered the Hawk. But with a twist. He also bought a monster Packard
V8 engine with two four-barrel pots. The Hawk and the engine arrived
at the Stude dealer and Dad delivered 'em to the Three Js speed shop
in Wilmington DE. Mom being unaware of what was going on of course.
They did some engine, exhaust system and suspension mods then
shoehorned the engine into the Hawk. "The rest is history . . " The
thing ate Corvettes for breakfast . . It still exists in a barn near
Coatesville.

Loewy was one of my idols when I was a kid. I had some talent along
those lines and was bound and determined to go to the Chicago School
of Design and study under him. Going into 9th grade Dad told me I had
to decide what I was going to do with my life and tossed the Sunday
Inquirer help wanted classified ads section at me. No ads for artists.
No ads for industrial designers. No ads for illustrators. Four pages
of ads for engineers. End of.

And the gene lives on. I have a young niece who recently graduated
from the Pratt Institute industrial design program. She's
unbelievable. Two weeks into her first summer student internship she
came up with a compartment latch for some Volkswagen bus which her
employer's ID group had been wrestling with for months. They faxed her
sketch to VW, a VW functionary called back immediately and told 'em
"Yeah, that's it, run with it!" They slapped patent papers on it and
put it into production.

I bought an S-40A from W7LR a few years back.

Still have it?

The design is still
stunning.

I'm not sure if I was ever aware of Loewy's role in the S-40 or not.
But I am now. It's definitely a "coherent" design. That was his trick,
integrate form and function. Not much of a rcvr though.

W4JBP willed me his 1937 Hallicrafters Sky Challenger years back.

.. . . there's a gooder . . . get it yet?

He
bought it new from Steinberg's appliance store on Vine Street in
Cincinnati. Steinberg's sold ham gear through the end of 1968

That surprising, that was pretty late in the game. We didn't have any
appliance stores selling ham gear that I know of but a lot of the
electronics parts distributors which catered to the radio & TV service
and industrial sectors had "ham corners". The last of those also
closed in the 1968 timeframe. I have an HRO a half hour from here in
tax-free DE, makes life a lot easier. Except I'm still stuck with
Radio Slack for parts locally.

K8CFT, who administered my Novice exam, had a Globe King 500-C in his
shack. I've always wanted one but they are bloody expensive these days.

Boat anchors are going for insane prices. N2EY recently told me about
an unbuilt still-in-the-box Heath AT-1 which sold for $5,100 for God's
sake. Ya can buy a complete pristine meatball S-Line including a 30L1
amp with $5,100 and have a *pile* of change left over. Or an Orion and
most of a Centurion amp.

Cass is Hugh Cassidy WA6AUD. His "West Coast DX Bulletin" was tops.
Cass had a flair for writing and brought us the Old Timer living on top
of the hill; the local QRPer, full of questions (often rhetorical) for
the Old Timer; Red-Eyed Louie, always doing the dawn patrol looking for
rare DX and the Palos Verdes Sundancers. There are numerous other
characters. When Cass retired, his mailing list went to the fellows at
Madison Electronics in Texas. Bill Kennamer K5FUV edited their "QRZ DX"
for a number of years before going to the DXCC desk in Newington to
replace Don Search.

If/when I ever make it your place you'll have to let read some of 'em.
These days there's no point to publications like DX bulletins, it's
all out on the web in almost real time. But the websites are no where
near as much fun to read.

Then there was the Ham Trader yellow sheets . . I moved a *lotta* gear
in and out with those.

I subscribed to the "Yellow Sheets" as well and had Alton's "Ham
Equipment Buyer's Guide" volumes too.

Never heard of that one either. I musta led a sheltered life.

Dave K8MN

w3rv

Brian Kelly wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian Kelly wrote:

I can only hope that someone recorded that banquet talk. Of course most
of Shepherd's stuff was that entertaining. That voice we hearing
narrating "A Christmas Story" is his.

He and Jack Fulmer W4HAV (later W4YF) opened a Volkswagen dealership way
too soon after the war.

Yeah,Yanks were nowhere near accepting sub-compacts in that timeframe.
Nor were they very anxious to do biz with the Huns.

Jean and Jack were SURE that they'd stumbled on a good thing. If they'd
only waited five or six years...

People weren't quite ready for the car. The
place was on the Kentucky shore opposite Cincinnati, where Jean was
working at WLW.

I'm fairly familiar with that area, been in and out of the airport any
number of times on biz in Cincinnati and in KY. Where is WLW vs. the
airport?

The studios are downtown. The transmitter is up north of the city near
Mason, Ohio in the same general area as the VOA relay station was
located.

USAir provided me with another of their "adventure flights" going in
one afternoon. Unbelievable summer downpour, incoming flights were
kept circling. Maybe 45 minutes after the left seat announced that we
were going to be on hold "for a few minutes" he announced that we "had
a fuel problem" and that he was on final ready or not. Splash. Looked
at first like he landed in the river. That was the afternoon the
Weather Service measured three inches of rain in one hour at the
Cincinnati airport.

I've known folks who've transited Greater Cincinnati and who really
believed that they'd landed in Ohio, heh heh.

A nice bit of nostalgia! Most of the catalog houses had at least some
ham gear. It is interesting to note that famed industrial designer
Raymond Loewy designed the S-40 cabinetry.

Note that Sears, Hallicrafters and Loewy were all based in Chicago.

He is the fellow who brought
us the '47 Studebaker Starlight Coupe and '53 Starliner Coupe, the '61
Avanti,
the S-1 steam locomotive (Pennsylvania RR), that sharp-looking fifties
Coca-Cola dispenser that we'd see in diners and drug stores, and all
sorts of products from pencil sharpeners to refrigerators.

Whew. You hit some more buttons with this one. I like the T1 better
than the S1. But the K4 is the ultimate classic PRR power.

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/prrt1.html

Raymond Loewy, Dad and me . . .

Dad . . at sixtysomething he decided he'd had enough "family cars" and
announced that he was gonna buy a Corvette. Only over Mom's dead body
he was gonna buy a Corvette. Back to the drawing board. "OK, I'll buy
a Studebaker GT Hawk". 1963. Mom didn't bark as much at that one so he
ordered the Hawk. But with a twist. He also bought a monster Packard
V8 engine with two four-barrel pots. The Hawk and the engine arrived
at the Stude dealer and Dad delivered 'em to the Three Js speed shop
in Wilmington DE. Mom being unaware of what was going on of course.
They did some engine, exhaust system and suspension mods then
shoehorned the engine into the Hawk. "The rest is history . . " The
thing ate Corvettes for breakfast . . It still exists in a barn near
Coatesville.

Neat story. We were at the other end of the automotive spectrum. Dad
owned a '51 Pontiac and one day, one of the plugs unscrewed itself and
put a pretty good dent in the hood. Pop traded it for a decidedly
unglamorous '60 AMC wagon.

Loewy was one of my idols when I was a kid. I had some talent along
those lines and was bound and determined to go to the Chicago School
of Design and study under him. Going into 9th grade Dad told me I had
to decide what I was going to do with my life and tossed the Sunday
Inquirer help wanted classified ads section at me. No ads for artists.
No ads for industrial designers. No ads for illustrators. Four pages
of ads for engineers. End of.

Engineers are generally the guys who make things work. Designers are
those who make them nice to look at. We all know of the exceptions.

And the gene lives on. I have a young niece who recently graduated
from the Pratt Institute industrial design program. She's
unbelievable. Two weeks into her first summer student internship she
came up with a compartment latch for some Volkswagen bus which her
employer's ID group had been wrestling with for months. They faxed her
sketch to VW, a VW functionary called back immediately and told 'em
"Yeah, that's it, run with it!" They slapped patent papers on it and
put it into production.

It does sound as if it runs in the family.

I bought an S-40A from W7LR a few years back.

Still have it?

Oh yes, fully restored and sitting on a shelf to my right.

The design is still
stunning.

I'm not sure if I was ever aware of Loewy's role in the S-40 or not.
But I am now. It's definitely a "coherent" design. That was his trick,
integrate form and function. Not much of a rcvr though.

No, not at all. Hallicrafters (and many other firms) were still building
the same basic receivers in a variety of cabinets through the decades
with few innovations or variations.

W4JBP willed me his 1937 Hallicrafters Sky Challenger years back.

. . . there's a gooder . . . get it yet?

Sure do. It sits next to the S-40A. The engraved German silver dial is
super looking.

He
bought it new from Steinberg's appliance store on Vine Street in
Cincinnati. Steinberg's sold ham gear through the end of 1968

That surprising, that was pretty late in the game. We didn't have any
appliance stores selling ham gear that I know of but a lot of the
electronics parts distributors which catered to the radio & TV service
and industrial sectors had "ham corners". The last of those also
closed in the 1968 timeframe. I have an HRO a half hour from here in
tax-free DE, makes life a lot easier. Except I'm still stuck with
Radio Slack for parts locally.

So many of the ham radio dealers and parts houses have gone out of
business or have been bought by larger firms. West Virginia had
Chemcity Electronics back when I first got on the air. They had several
locations throughout the state and they sold amateur radio gear as well
as parts. This end of the state had a Cameradio shop.

Cincinnati had a number of places selling amateur gear. There was
Coston's. The "Saturday Night at Coston's" gathering of hams is the
stuff of legend. Queen City Electronics was run by John Dine WA8DFD.
R&L Electronics started in a garage in Hamilton, Ohio. In Dayton, there
was SREPCO. Cincinnati had a number of parts houses including Holub's,
Hughes-Peters, Mytronics, United Radio and the surplus house, Lapirow
Brothers.

K8CFT, who administered my Novice exam, had a Globe King 500-C in his
shack. I've always wanted one but they are bloody expensive these days.

Boat anchors are going for insane prices. N2EY recently told me about
an unbuilt still-in-the-box Heath AT-1 which sold for $5,100 for God's
sake. Ya can buy a complete pristine meatball S-Line including a 30L1
amp with $5,100 and have a *pile* of change left over. Or an Orion and
most of a Centurion amp.

I've noted Globe King 500-C's going for $3,000+. I was amazed to get
$775 for a 51J-4 the year before last. One of the big differences
between the modern marvels and the vintage gear is that one can still
obtain tubes and parts for the vintage rigs. I doubt that any of the
current stuff will be operational or repairable in fifty years. The
lack of a replacement switch, an LSI or an LCD display will doom them to
the scrap heap.

Cass is Hugh Cassidy WA6AUD. His "West Coast DX Bulletin" was tops.
Cass had a flair for writing and brought us the Old Timer living on top
of the hill; the local QRPer, full of questions (often rhetorical) for
the Old Timer; Red-Eyed Louie, always doing the dawn patrol looking for
rare DX and the Palos Verdes Sundancers. There are numerous other
characters. When Cass retired, his mailing list went to the fellows at
Madison Electronics in Texas. Bill Kennamer K5FUV edited their "QRZ DX"
for a number of years before going to the DXCC desk in Newington to
replace Don Search.

If/when I ever make it your place you'll have to let read some of 'em.

Once you start, there's no stopping. Allow me to whet your interest with
the following from 1977:

"There were some local QRPers up the hill last week, the group including
one of those serious types. His beady eyes were everywhere, questioning
and checking. And the QRPers got to talking of Red Eye and the Palo
Verdes bunch, and Slim and the Hero of Mafeking. So we had to tell them
about the JA who in all seriousness had asked that alongside the obscure
jokes we place an explanation of what we meant. Perhaps we should have
kept the file sealed. 'Jokes?', says this serious one. 'Obscure jokes?
Where are they? Why, I've been reading the bulletin for some years now
and while there are things that sometimes I do not understand, I have
not noticed any jokes.' Son of a Gun!! What does one do in a situation
like that? The sky was blue, the day was warm and there had been a slow
joy in the group as they talked. But we realized that like a lot of
things, humor and DX and home cooking, that most things are relative and
sometimes more so. So we told the beady-eyed one that we would
underline them in his copy from now on, a service that perhaps others
might want and use. And for $14.00 a year, the enigmas of DX will
comeyour way in inscrutable prose, tangled, twisted and tortured...and
maybe stretched a bit. $18.00 will fling it at you by first-class mail
to the U.S./VE areas. $20.00 will fly it far down the moonpath to
Mexico and all the lands below the Tropic of Cancer and beyond the
meridians. Someday we may get the message...someday someone might get
the message to us."

These days there's no point to publications like DX bulletins, it's
all out on the web in almost real time. But the websites are no where
near as much fun to read.

They could easily be...but they aren't.

Then there was the Ham Trader yellow sheets . . I moved a *lotta* gear
in and out with those.

I subscribed to the "Yellow Sheets" as well and had Alton's "Ham
Equipment Buyer's Guide" volumes too.

Never heard of that one either. I musta led a sheltered life.

Alton Brand, the fellow who published the yellow sheets put them out.
They offered a description of the equipment, original price and a photo
of same. The initial book showed gear produced from the end of WWII
though about 1973. Supplements for later years followed.

I don't support the ARRL's "gimme" for tens of thousands. Now Len can't
accuse us of not discussing amateur radio policy, his favorite topic for
some obscure reason.

Dave K8MN

"Phil Kane" wrote in
et:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:25:38 GMT, Leo wrote:

Which seems like a pretty cumbersome process - I wonder why the
citizenship rules were placed in the US/Canada agreement? One would
think that the licence would be sufficient to prove competence, and
residency to prove QTH...

Th4 U S cannot enter into a treaty that gives citizens of a third
country privileges irregardless of whether they are permanent US
residents or not. The treaty affects citizens of the two countries
alone, CEPT notwithstanding.

Become a US citizen and the problem goes away.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane




That's odd, Phil, because a licence issued in another CEPT country will be
valid anywhere but the US, conditional only not being a resident of the
country you are in, and on it being in the CEPT agreement, regardless of
what your citizenship is. As in many things, the US viewpoint is in a
minority of one. Strange that.

It's no problem, though. All I have to do is get my G licence re-issued,
and unlike the US there is no 2-year time limit to worry about.

73 de Alun, N3KIP

On 15 Feb 2004 13:55:43 -0800, Brian Kelly wrote:

Whew. You hit some more buttons with this one. I like the T1 better
than the S1. But the K4 is the ultimate classic PRR power.

The ultimate class is the GG-1. Someday one will run again.....

--
Phil Kane - K2ASP -- Beaverton, Oregon
PNW Milepost 754 -- Tillamook District

On 15 Feb 2004 23:47:21 GMT, Alun wrote:

Th4 U S cannot enter into a treaty that gives citizens of a third
country privileges irregardless of whether they are permanent US
residents or not. The treaty affects citizens of the two countries
alone, CEPT notwithstanding.

Become a US citizen and the problem goes away.

That's odd, Phil, because a licence issued in another CEPT country will be
valid anywhere but the US, conditional only not being a resident of the
country you are in, and on it being in the CEPT agreement, regardless of
what your citizenship is.

The US is not a CEPT country - it recognizes the ham licenses issued
by CEPT countries the same way that it recognizes any other ham
license offered for reciprocal operation - the license has to be
from the country of citizenship. This is to avoid the "flag of
convenience" problem. We had a guy living in California who had a
Hong Kong license (isn't it nice to know the right people) who
operated in the US on a reciprocal basis with the exotic call sign
until the FCC ruled that one must be a citizen of the licensing
country or get a U S license - turned out that he was not a Hong
Kong citizen. He eventually got a US license.

As in many things, the US viewpoint is in a minority of one. Strange that.

It's no problem, though. All I have to do is get my G licence re-issued,
and unlike the US there is no 2-year time limit to worry about.

I can't get my Israeli license reinstated unless I immigrate either
as an extended temporary or permanent resident or apply for
citizenship, even though I have a valid Israeli address that is my
family's home. At least I know that I can get my old call sign back
if I do. If I go there as a tourist or on a temporary visa
(business or short-term resident) I have to use the my US call on a
reciprocal basis (K2ASP/4X) even though I have a can-be-reactivated
Israeli call sign.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane