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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:39:41 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote: Leo wrote: On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:57:45 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: Leo wrote: snip A question - was a similar arrangement for the recognition of professional credentials in the Amateur service ever in place in the US? With the reciprocity agreement between Canada and the US, someone who has obtained their Amateur licence based on their Professional qualifications automatically gains full Amateur operating privileges when travelling in the US. One would think it logical for this arrangement to be bidirectional, n'est pas? There is no such mechanism available in the United States. A U.S. citizen licensed in Canada may not use his Canadian license when operating from the U.S. That's not quite what I said, Dave. If a Canadian with a Commercial licence obtains an Amateur licence vis this program, that Amateur licence is covered under the existing reciprocity agreement - it is a standard Amateur licence. A Canadian with a valid Canadian amateur radio license may use the license in the U.S. under reciprocal agreement, no matter if he receives it by passing the exam or receives it by virtue of his professional standing. The only means by which someone may obtain a U.S. amateur license is by passing the exam. Your point is interesting, however - one need only be a resident of Canada to qualify for an amateur license - not a citizen. If a US citizen living in Canada obtains a Canadian amateur license, how would that be illegal to use in the US? ...because that individual then falls under U.S., not Canadian law. I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur. Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite reciprocal? :) Dave K8MN 73, Leo |
Leo wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:39:41 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: Leo wrote: On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:57:45 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: Leo wrote: snip A question - was a similar arrangement for the recognition of professional credentials in the Amateur service ever in place in the US? With the reciprocity agreement between Canada and the US, someone who has obtained their Amateur licence based on their Professional qualifications automatically gains full Amateur operating privileges when travelling in the US. One would think it logical for this arrangement to be bidirectional, n'est pas? There is no such mechanism available in the United States. A U.S. citizen licensed in Canada may not use his Canadian license when operating from the U.S. That's not quite what I said, Dave. If a Canadian with a Commercial licence obtains an Amateur licence vis this program, that Amateur licence is covered under the existing reciprocity agreement - it is a standard Amateur licence. A Canadian with a valid Canadian amateur radio license may use the license in the U.S. under reciprocal agreement, no matter if he receives it by passing the exam or receives it by virtue of his professional standing. The only means by which someone may obtain a U.S. amateur license is by passing the exam. Your point is interesting, however - one need only be a resident of Canada to qualify for an amateur license - not a citizen. If a US citizen living in Canada obtains a Canadian amateur license, how would that be illegal to use in the US? ...because that individual then falls under U.S., not Canadian law. I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur. Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite reciprocal? :) That's an easy one: Canada's radio amateurs may operate in the United States without passing a U.S. license exam. U.S. radio amateurs may operate in Canada without passing a Canadian license exam. During my second assignment to Helsinki (three years), the Finns wanted me to pass a Finnish exam and use an OH2--- callsign because it was their belief that reciprocal operation was intended only for short duration. They kindly backed off when I pointed out that no such thing was outlined in their regs. I was OH2/K8MN for that entire period. ITU recommendations changed between my first tour in Finland and my second. For the first, I was K8MN/OH2. One eastern european amateur began giving me hell over the air in the 1980's for not using "OH2/K8MN" after those recommendations came out. I told him that I couldn't very well use a call other than the one issued on my Finnish license. Dave K8MN |
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:40 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote: Leo wrote: snip I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur. Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite reciprocal? :) That's an easy one: Canada's radio amateurs may operate in the United States without passing a U.S. license exam. U.S. radio amateurs may operate in Canada without passing a Canadian license exam. That part makes sense - it's the citizenship wording with respect to the license holder on one side of the agreement which doesn't exist on the other side that puzzles me. During my second assignment to Helsinki (three years), the Finns wanted me to pass a Finnish exam and use an OH2--- callsign because it was their belief that reciprocal operation was intended only for short duration. They kindly backed off when I pointed out that no such thing was outlined in their regs. I was OH2/K8MN for that entire period. ITU recommendations changed between my first tour in Finland and my second. For the first, I was K8MN/OH2. One eastern european amateur began giving me hell over the air in the 1980's for not using "OH2/K8MN" after those recommendations came out. I told him that I couldn't very well use a call other than the one issued on my Finnish license. Now that would have been an interesting place to work Europe from. You were lucky to have had that opportunity, Dave - I wouldn't mind trying that! Dave K8MN 73, Leo |
Leo wrote in news:l4sc20paffg83im2fdbg3qctrgitffnaj7@
4ax.com: On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:40 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: Leo wrote: snip I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur. Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite reciprocal? :) That's an easy one: Canada's radio amateurs may operate in the United States without passing a U.S. license exam. U.S. radio amateurs may operate in Canada without passing a Canadian license exam. That part makes sense - it's the citizenship wording with respect to the license holder on one side of the agreement which doesn't exist on the other side that puzzles me. During my second assignment to Helsinki (three years), the Finns wanted me to pass a Finnish exam and use an OH2--- callsign because it was their belief that reciprocal operation was intended only for short duration. They kindly backed off when I pointed out that no such thing was outlined in their regs. I was OH2/K8MN for that entire period. ITU recommendations changed between my first tour in Finland and my second. For the first, I was K8MN/OH2. One eastern european amateur began giving me hell over the air in the 1980's for not using "OH2/K8MN" after those recommendations came out. I told him that I couldn't very well use a call other than the one issued on my Finnish license. Now that would have been an interesting place to work Europe from. You were lucky to have had that opportunity, Dave - I wouldn't mind trying that! Dave K8MN 73, Leo Have the Canadian rules changed? The last time I read it you had to be both a US citizen and a US resident to qualify. I'm not an American (or a Canadian either) so I couldn't operate in Canada using my US call. The rules I read were certainly not reciprocal, though. An American with a US call and residing in the US could operate in Canada for only 2 months within the terms of the nearest Canadian licence (No WARC bands or 40m for Generals!), whereas a Canadian with a Canadian call could operate indefinitely in the US, even living here permanently, under the terms of their Canadian licence (not to exceed Extra). |
In article , Leo
writes: Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite reciprocal? :) Perhaps because so many America-firsters want to be "one over everyone else?" :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , Leo
writes: Interesting place, this newsgroup. Kraft-Ebbing could have had a second edition to cover it for the psychiatric professionals. Some get oriongasms even... :-) I suspect that Masters and Johnson would have found inspiration here too...... :) "Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft-Ebbing is still my first choice. One Extra in here has continually fantasized an improbable life off- keyboard for years, details varying implausibly as he continues. Another has oriongasms thinking that no one could possibly under- stand his expensive radio wondertoy. Another one just writes and writes and writes every day, every day, every day, on everything anyone posts, endlessly. Another one has a maternal fixation on all the "little children" and becomes horrified, hiding head in sand when confronted with reality outside of league boundaries. Another one dreams of going back to the Pacific and shooting bears. Still another went off the deep end long ago in the amateur murine core. All the American licensed hams hum fascination over a single bared breast on television, expressing puritan outrage over moral indecency affecting their fellow seven-year-old Extras. Morse code does indeed get through when everything else does! It's a Deep-End City in here. Most fascinating. They don't realize they are doing what they do when they do it. This is much better than a post-graduate course in psychology! :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: What does that say about your vaunted federal merit badge? It says that a mere child is one up on you. She has the badge. You don't. I'm not a SEVEN YEAR OLD Extra. If you think that a SEVEN YEAR OLD has anything "up" on me, I'd say you have the mentality of a seven year old. Now go out to the sandbox and play with your "fellow Extras" in the First Grade. That's a nice boy. Behave or Mama Dee will spank you for being naughty. LHA / WMD |
Oh, but I'm very much a part of U.S. amateur radio and I've been part of
amateur radio in five other countries. You aren't part of amateur radio anywhere on the planet. You aren't a part of the ARRL. Your connections to amateur radio are simply that you've commented to the FCC about the service in which you do not participate and that you post here. Oh, my, another tyrant ranting away. The FCC is "not a part of amateur radio," merely the regulation of every civil radio service in the United States. The First Amendment gives me a number of rights. Exclusion from discussing those with anyone or my government is NOT under your control. Not at any time, herr tyrant. There are mechanisms in the U.S. Constitution for removing the rights of citizens. Those are called "amendments." Do you think you could ever, with or without force, make such an amenedment? Why do you keep trying to be a tyrant? Is that due to some mental illness? If so, get help fast. Now be a good boy and go our and play in the radio sandbox with your other "fellow hams." I hear the seven-year-old extra is nice. Sieg heil...gruss gott. LHA / WMD |
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