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In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Point is that the last-mile problem isn't a real problem at all. Run the fiber down the street on the poles, put a little box every so many poles, use a little encoding, no problem. Certainly. But running fiber optics lines is a very expensive proposition, much more expensive per unit length than any of the other utility lines. If/when real wideband access comes true in this country it's most likely gonna at least get started via the cable. That probability is mixed into Comcast's move to bring the Mouse to Philly. And if "they" can't find a "solution" then kiss the 2.4 Ghz (got it right that time) ham band 'bye-'bye. Get comfortable with the concept More bandwidth than all of HF. Hare and I touched on that when he was here, it's a classic case of use it or lose it and it's not being used. I asked him how much ham activity he knew about on 2.4 Ghz and he answered "What activity?". btw, I came across some info on the Manassas thing. $20 month for BPL - for the first three months! Then it jumps to $50/month. On a good day it might get up to half of DSL speed. Maybe. Good. I hope they lose their skivvies on that deal. In this country standard DSL runs 0.5-1.0 Mb/s and can be found for $30/month. Cable here runs at around 3Mb/s for $45/month. The JAs have a flavor of DSL which runs at 26 Mb/sec in heavily-populated areas for $50/month with the HLs close behind. Manassas BPL for $50/month for only half of 0.5-1.0 Mb/s you say? They gotta be kidding . . ! One more dot bomb in the making . . At this point I'm not in the least bit convinced that Gore would have been one bit worse that the Shrub. Izzat the sun coming up over Sugartown Road? Huh? How did Sugartown Rd. get into it?? Have you checked the size of the national debt recently? Yep. But that's not the big problem - the real 800 pound gorilla is how fast the deficit is making it grow. A few years back we had a surplus.... Yeah, it's the rate which is really scary. And now we're supposed to go back to the Moon, and send people to Mars. Yet the odds on a Shuttle failure are worse than 100 to 1... I don't see shuttle safety being part of the politics of the upcoming campaign. As has been the case in all major explorations since Leif Ericsson's days and millenia before the folk who ride the things know they didn't buy a seat in a 737 and some are not gonna come back. Tell ya what, let's fund Shrub's moon-mars-madness the same way things like education, mass transit and health care get funded. How 'bout we just bag the whole stupid Mars camping trip thing and first build a new version of the Shuttle then put Wideband on the front burner as a matter of national policy? Which is what the JAs and HLs did and explains why this country is years behind them in this field. We could have walkathons and bake sales. Corporate sponsorship in return for advertising space, just like they do in NASCAR and at Indy. Let groups and individuals send in money to buy parts and supplies - a gallon of rocket fuel, coupla resistors for the computer, etc. NASA can have anything in the Southgate Radio stockroom for a very nominal price. Let's not get carried away here Miccolis . . 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: Certainly. But running fiber optics lines is a very expensive proposition, much more expensive per unit length than any of the other utility lines. It's already all over the place out here in the Principality of Radnor. And TE, and West Chester, etc. There's an optics cable running along the street here which isn't more than 75 feet from me as I peck at the keyboard. And a half block north there's a moose-sized optics cable running along MacDade Blvd. I have no idea where they come from or where they go or what they actually do but there isn't a drop to a residence or a business in sight anywhere. I've seen Ma Bell "mobile labs" futzing with the things so I guess it's for running phone comms between switching centers. Or something. In any event these cables don't look like they're ready to duke it out with BPL. The really big cost is getting from the pole into people's houses. That's the really big selling point of BPL: no installation, every outlet in your house is a broadband connection. As if. A lot of "cable" is actually fiber. But it makes no real difference; the big probelm is getting into every overpriced little box made out of ticky tacky. The cable and telco folks took their pain upfront. And they can avoid more pain by *not* installing residential drops. Install 802 dot somthing boxes on the poles every hundred yards or so. Would work and would kick BPLs butt. The huge advantage wireless devices bring to this game is that they do *not* need a connection to the house wiring. Freely floating lappers, remotes, etc. Hare and I touched on that when he was here, it's a classic case of use it or lose it and it's not being used. I asked him how much ham activity he knew about on 2.4 Ghz and he answered "What activity?". I wuz there. And what activity does exist uses highly directional antennas.... Seems like we all forgot that most of it is satellite ops which do not always use directional antennas. That could be a problem but a couple MHZ wide AMSAT setaside would probably work. btw, I came across some info on the Manassas thing. $20 month for BPL - for the first three months! Then it jumps to $50/month. On a good day it might get up to half of DSL speed. Maybe. Good. I hope they lose their skivvies on that deal. They'll ask Uncle Sam to bail them out. "No millionaire left behind". That would require Congessional action and it would never in this world happen. Didja see where RCN went Chapter 11? I looked at RCN when it first popped up. Talk about no bang for the buck, the Comcast and Ma Bell guys musta been laughing their buns off at the RCN prices. The cofounder of Microsoft put 1.65 billion into that outfit and now his piece is worth $2 million. That's like putting $165,000 of yer IRA/401K in something and having it go down to $200. Yeah and after RCN drubbed him Mr. Allen came out with 20 point somthing billion left in his piggy bank. Pore thing. He and his buddy Bill are tossing coin at all sortsa wild investment adventures. Their baby airliner is a good example. They don't care, it's only money. Cable here runs at around 3Mb/s for $45/month. The JAs have a flavor of DSL which runs at 26 Mb/sec in heavily-populated areas for $50/month with the HLs close behind. Manassas BPL for $50/month for only half of 0.5-1.0 Mb/s you say? Double check with Ed but I recall half MB as the best they'd ever gotten - and that was for a single customer on the system. More folks = sharing. . . . . more is better, bring it on . . . They gotta be kidding . . ! One more dot bomb in the making . . I sure hope so. Boom dot bust. But it ain't over till it's over. It won't hurt very long . . Yep. But that's not the big problem - the real 800 pound gorilla is how fast the deficit is making it grow. A few years back we had a surplus.... Yeah, it's the rate which is really scary. Not just a big hole but digging it deeper as fast as they can. Check OMB's rant on the subject which was published yesterday. I don't see shuttle safety being part of the politics of the upcoming campaign. As has been the case in all major explorations since Leif Ericsson's days and millenia before the folk who ride the things know they didn't buy a seat in a 737 and some are not gonna come back. That's not how it was sold, though. Ask the McAuliffes if they were told that there was a 1 in 75 chance of augering in. Sure they knew, just like the relatives of military aircrews know the level of risk involved. Whether they accept it and internalize it or not is another story. How 'bout we just bag the whole stupid Mars camping trip thing and first build a new version of the Shuttle then put Wideband on the front burner as a matter of national policy? That makes way too much sense. In fact the really sensible thing would be a cheap oneshot big booster for unmanned payloads and a highly reliable but much smaller human transport system. Send the big stuff on ahead and the astronauts meet it up there. The UAs been doing that for thirty years. Hey - didja see where they're planning a space walk on the ISS where all the crew will be outside at the same time, with nobody in the station? Didn't they ever go to the movies back in 1968? Was not the first time by any means and yup, it rained so they had to duck back inside. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
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Old man lennie blabbered: If all could be summed up that easily, it would be "perfectly legal" for you to hold a 5 W HT up to the abdomen of a pacemaker wearer and thumb the PTT switch. Are you licensed by the FCC to deliberately interfere with anything? I don't think so. We can toss a coin to see if the pacemaker wearer has an infarc. And Steve Robeson, K4CAP responded: "Infarct", Lennie... Besides...A pacer is not the therapy of choice for a myocardial infarction. A pacer is placed due to an SA node or other pacer failure...An ELECTRICAL failure of the heart which may or mayNOT be due to an MI. An MI is actual damage done to the myocardium, or heart muscle, usually due to cardiovascular disease or a thrombus of other etiology, even trauma. It is very difficult to interfere with today's pacers, and interference to one isn't going to cause a myocardial infarction. A story about pacemakers and hams. A ham friend lived across the street from a person who wore a pacemaker. The ham had been on the air, on HF and VHF, for some years without even knowing the across the street neighbor wore the device. The ham had never had a complaint of any kind of TVI or any other type of interference from any neighbors. The neighbor purchased a cheap TV and one day noticed interference, someone told him it might be the ham across the street. He went to see the ham, the ham took his own portable TV over to the neighbors and ask the neighbor to use his set for a few days to see if there was any interference. The ham operated on all HF bands and his usual VHF frequencies for a couple of days and no inteference occured to the hams TV but did on the neighbors. The neighbor was convinced it was his TV and returned it to the store. End of story right? Not quite. The neighbor, on a visit to his cardiologist, happened to mention the ham and the inteference problem. The doctor got all excited and told the patient that that ham's signals could interfer with his pacemaker and possibly kill him. Now the ham had been operating for years and there had never been a hint of a problem, but now his signals may suddenly kill this guy. On advice of the doctor, the neighbor called the FCC. The FCC got envolved and came out and made checks and measurements of the hams stations and gave it a clean bill of health. The neighbor, knowing he was going to die if the ham operated, was not satisfied and demanded the FCC put the ham off the air. The FCC refused, so an engineer from the pacemaker manufacturer was called in. They took an indentical pacemaker, laid it next to the hams station, strung the leads out, operated the station at power levels from very low to full legal limit, and was never able to observe any interference to the pacer from the signals. They repeated the same test at the neighbors location and no matter what they tried they could not get the hams signals to interfer with the pacemaker. That was over 25 years ago. Pacemaker technology has improved vastly since then. My wife wears a pacemaker and shortly after it was installed I had a conversation with one of the St. Jude (the manufacturer) engineers on the subject of interference. He said it would be very difficult for my ham transmissions to interfere. I ask what would be the consquencies it it did. His answer was that when the pacer detected any interference it would simply stop pacing until the interference went away. The effect on the wearer would be the heart would slow down to whatever its own pacing rate was (in my wife's case between 30-40 beats per min), and she would probably feel dizzy, lightheaded, out of breath, or if her rhythm were slow enough, maybe pass out, but once the interference is gone, the pacer would pick up and pace her at 70 the rate it is set for. So lennieboy, get your facts straight, some ham or any other transmitter near a pacemaker wearer isn't going to cause them to suffer a heart attack, as much as you would like to think it would so you could blame all those nasty hams for killing people. If it were so, then pacemaker users would be dropping all over the place everytime a police car went by with the officer on the radio, or when they passed a high power broadcasting tower or any number of scenarios. They don't even tell pacer users to beware of microwave ovens anymore. Now back to you room lennie and let some other resident of the home use the computer, the nurse is waiting to give you your meds. |
In article , JJ
writes: Old man lennie blabbered: And Steve Robeson, K4CAP responded: "Infarct", Lennie... The familiar, shortened form of the word doesn't pronounce the T. Doctor Killgore, the gunnery nurse, still can't sign "MD" behind her name. She isn't licensed to practice medicine without a real physician in charge. She will object strenuously to that in more tuff tawk, but that is to be expected. The gunnery nurse still can't legally put "MD" behind her name. It is very difficult to interfere with today's pacers, and interference to one isn't going to cause a myocardial infarction. A story about pacemakers and hams. That is irrelevant coming from a NOBODY, an ANONYMOUS troll who doesn't have the guts or the heart to identify herself. Go ahead, make our day, put a pacemaker wearer right next to a mismatched 1 KW transmitter connected to an antenna with open-wire lines. Do you want to "experiment" with something that might kill a person? Would the gunnery nurse do that? You both would, of course, at least in messages. You guys are TUFF, strong, noble, good, and true, know everything (and know hardly anything). :-) So lennieboy, get your facts straight, some ham or any other transmitter near a pacemaker wearer isn't going to cause them to suffer a heart attack, as much as you would like to think it would so you could blame all those nasty hams for killing people. I'm not blaming "all those nasty hams." :-) Just the PHONIES with federal merit badges in here who think they are all gunnery nurse candidates in search of a real self. :-) Now back to you room lennie and let some other resident of the home use the computer, the nurse is waiting to give you your meds. Only in your fevered imagination ANONYMOUS ONE. :-) My home IS restfull but only my wife and I (and three cats) live here. Nice 2000 square foot place in the hills. No "nurse" in attendance. That's just the southern house, the one in California, the same postal address in all those Ham Radio magazine bylines. The northern house on the Puget Sound is even more restful...same size but nice pines all around...only two pines down here but 14 tall cypresses. Good health here, no heart problems. :-) I only counterattack the FAKERS, the ANONYMOUS trolls, the PRETENDERS, the GUTLESS ones who imagine they are radio amateurs of great toughness and resolve and superior to all others yet HIDE behind a pseudonym, AFRAID of truth. YOU fit all those categories, "JJ." Now be good, little "JJ" or Mama Dee will spank you and take away your computer privileges until grade school is over for the summer. LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
That is irrelevant coming from a NOBODY, an ANONYMOUS troll who doesn't have the guts or the heart to identify herself. Herself? Boy, the senility is really setting in lennyboy. Now back to the rec room for some fun with chair excersizes. |
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