In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
No, it's not a political protest thread.

Just a description of what it took to be a radio operator at radio station
WAR
back in WW2. Copied from a Yahoo reflector:

This from an article in Radio News of November '42 regarding the radio
station
WAR.

"...The average person thinks of a highly trained radio operator a man who
can
send radiograms with very little confusion and at a fair rate of
speed....say
the messages are actually handled at around fifteen or even twenty words a
minute for a short period of time.

The radio operator on duty at WAR must send or receive or both at a rate of
more than fifty words a minute during the eight hours of his tour of duty.
He
must understand the delicate equipment such as teletypwriters, radio types
and
siphon recording equipment. He must be able to read manual signals at more
than thirty words a minute and to handle traffic at this speed if necessary.

He must be able to read from recording tape at more than fifty words a
minute
and he must be able to operate a teletype machine..."

From [the author's] recollection in 1942 when WAR operators were tested they
had to touchtype at 100 wpm, use a Kleinschmidt perforator at a high rate of
speed and copy recorded slip tape at 100 wpm as well as sending and
receiving
manually when the automatic systems would not function.

Operators there at that time included W3GRF(sk), W0DX (sk) W9BRD/VA3ZBB,
W0US
and others.

Nice trip down mammary lane, but what has this to do with amateur radio?

TAFKARJ is trying to "prove" something by connecting SK hams
with the U.S. Army and Washington Army Radio of early 1942.

He "proves" absolutely nothing other than vainly trying to promote
old, old ways to do things as those for the now and future of amateur
radio. Very silly effort considering the actual recorded history of the
U.S. and military radio communications.

It's worse than that considering TAFKARJ was never in the U.S.
military and has no experience in any era of military radio. All he has
is Faith in His Calling To The Code...therefore all must Believe as He
Believes. Poor guy is stuck forever in ancient radio of before his time
and can't get back into the reality of today. All must remain in the
standards and practices of before his birth.

In one way I can't blame him. No experience with the military forces
him to rely on anecdotal stories and tales from others who weren't
there, either. But, those websites with anecdotal stories and tales
are sufficiently tangible that they are used as references for His
version of the Truth.

His False Belief is that the U.S. military "still uses morse code" and
that is almost unshakable because He champions morse code,
therefore all the righteous must be using his Favorite Mode. Reality is
that the U.S. military gave up on morse modes some time ago, all
branches. The last branch to "use" it was the Coast Guard in their
monitoring of the 500 KHz International Maritime Disaster Frequency.
That went away after the maritime community cut in the GMDSS; the
system that the maritime community itself proposed. The USCG
stopped monitoring. End of an era, but not of the many good services
performed by the USCG.

Jimmie will probably try ten kinds of wordplay to reinforce His Belief
by saying "the U.S. military still uses morse code" since Fort Huachuca
still has morse code classes. By selectively omitting that such training
is for intelligence-gathering by message intercepts, he thinks he is
winning some kind of point. He doesn't. Interception of messages is
NOT communications by radio, just more of the many kinds of
intelligence gathering done by the major powers through both military
and government intelligence community personnel.

ARRL has long been waving the U.S. flag with stock propaganda
phrases about "hams serving the country in time of need" and so forth
to "illustrate" something. Such propaganda (self-serving) does nothing
more than show the ARRL itself hasn't "served" anyone but themselves.
Military radio communications prior to 1942 MAY have been somewhat
close to amateur radio practice (amateurs did not then nor later send
five-letter groups in encyphered messages as the militaries did), but
that changed radically once WW2 staffing and stocking went into
overdrive after the USA commitment to the war effort.

Washington Army Radio of 1944 was so radically different from what
it had been in 1941 that there is no real comparison. By 1944 it had
organized into the beginning of an INTEGRATED communications
hub, a center for all Army networks. Ten or twenty amateur NTSs
wouldn't have been near enough to serve the nation's needs then.

Washington Army Radio of 1954 was again so different from 1944
that it can't be explained adequately in words. It needs pictures,
indeed a whole book to show enough. Yes, there were amateur
radio licensees serving but they were NOT using any amateur
practices. Everyone did the professional thing to "Get the message
through." The messages got through...by the millions, annually.

The era of network centers is diminishing and has been since
AUTOVON and AUTODIN began...to eventually be replaced by the
DSN or Digital Switched Network, "the government's own Internet."
DSN serves telephones, facsimiles, PCs, workstations, PBXs, and
can use HF radio as 2nd or 3rd contingency plan. Normally it uses
high-rate fiber cable and satellite relay plus commercial leased
communications services. DSN can be as secure as mid-level
security allows courtesy of the tremendous advances in Information
Theory and methods of cryptology opened from that. By tradition
the U.S. Army handles operation-maintenance of the DSN on land
with help from the USAF where their bases tie in. The Army has
battalions and brigades organized and equipped to provide mobile
telephone/data/FAX/image communications in the same spirit.
The messages get through. Morse code isn't used, isn't wanted,
is too slow, is too insecure, is too full of potential errors to trust.

Code lovers can't accept that, may never accept it since it spoils
their self-image of important communicators. They bitterly resent
removal of the "tested at twenty" old top level rank-status-privilege
in their "service." To ease their bitterness they resort to the imagery
of some kind of Tolkien-like Middle Earth to attempt stressing the
"importance" of good radiotelegraphy through old tales and anecdotes
of long ago. None apply now in any radio service but they cannot
give up...all must capitulate to Them and Their Beliefs.

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
No, it's not a political protest thread.

Just a description of what it took to be a radio operator at radio station
WAR
back in WW2. Copied from a Yahoo reflector:

This from an article in Radio News of November '42 regarding the radio
station
WAR.

"...The average person thinks of a highly trained radio operator a man who
can
send radiograms with very little confusion and at a fair rate of
speed....say
the messages are actually handled at around fifteen or even twenty words a
minute for a short period of time.
snip

Operators there at that time included W3GRF(sk), W0DX (sk) W9BRD/VA3ZBB,
W0US
and others.

Nice trip down mammary lane, but what has this to do with amateur radio?

TAFKARJ is trying to "prove" something by connecting SK hams
with the U.S. Army and Washington Army Radio of early 1942.

You know, Len, when you want to talk Army radio, its considered
completely irrelevant. Its just NOT Amateur Radio!

When TAFKARJ wants to talk Army radio, it is wholesome and wunnerful,
and has everything to do with amateur radio somehow, even though
amateur radio was OUTLAWED at the time he speaks of.

I don't think these guys are complete fools, but there edging their
way over.

billy

In article ,
(William) writes:

Operators there at that time included W3GRF(sk), W0DX (sk) W9BRD/VA3ZBB,
W0US
and others.

Nice trip down mammary lane, but what has this to do with amateur radio?

TAFKARJ is trying to "prove" something by connecting SK hams
with the U.S. Army and Washington Army Radio of early 1942.

You know, Len, when you want to talk Army radio, its considered
completely irrelevant. Its just NOT Amateur Radio!

When TAFKARJ wants to talk Army radio, it is wholesome and wunnerful,
and has everything to do with amateur radio somehow, even though
amateur radio was OUTLAWED at the time he speaks of.

Careful about those emotionally-loaded words, next thing you know
we will have another Sermon On The Antenna Mount about the
glory and the majesty of morse code.

Washington Army Radio (WAR) had as much to do with amateur
radio as ham-astronauts got into spaceflight through ham radio. :-)

I don't think these guys are complete fools, but there edging their
way over.

Not fools in the true sense. They are just BELIEVERS in the
Church of St. Hiram. None of them had anything to do with Army
radio and so they grasp at idolized imagination straws trying to
promote morse code and the old ways. If they find some scrap
of information that supports their evangelism, they will want to
scrap with anyone about it and its veracity. :-)

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

When TAFKARJ wants to talk Army radio, it is wholesome and wunnerful,
and has everything to do with amateur radio somehow, even though
amateur radio was OUTLAWED at the time he speaks of.

Careful about those emotionally-loaded words, next thing you know
we will have another Sermon On The Antenna Mount about the
glory and the majesty of morse code.

I don't think these guys are complete fools, but there edging their
way over.

Not fools in the true sense. They are just BELIEVERS in the
Church of St. Hiram. None of them had anything to do with Army
radio and so they grasp at idolized imagination straws trying to
promote morse code and the old ways. If they find some scrap
of information that supports their evangelism, they will want to
scrap with anyone about it and its veracity. :-)

"Poor baby. Still INVOLVED with tossing personal insults and nasty
comments to others that don't agree with your views."

--Leonard H. Anderson, Feb. 27, 2004

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

Not fools in the true sense. They are just BELIEVERS in the
Church of St. Hiram. None of them had anything to do with Army
radio and so they grasp at idolized imagination straws trying to
promote morse code and the old ways. If they find some scrap
of information that supports their evangelism, they will want to
scrap with anyone about it and its veracity. :-)

"Poor baby. Still INVOLVED with tossing personal insults and nasty
comments to others that don't agree with your views."

--Leonard H. Anderson, Feb. 27, 2004

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"

--Leonard H. Anderson on occassions too numerous...

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Washington Army Radio (WAR) had as much to do with amateur
radio as ham-astronauts got into spaceflight through ham radio. :-)

Actually, Scummy, WAR has played host to actual licensed Amateurs
as "guest operators" on more than one occassion over it's several
decade history.

Also, if you really knew as much about the space program as you
allude, you'd know that at least two Astronauts have credited Amateur
Radio as thier "intro" to technology in grade school and subsequent
career path to engineering.

Too bad your career path in engineering wasn't sufficient to
prepare you for licensure in Amateur Radio. Maybe a licensing course
at a local middle school...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Nice trip down mammary lane, but what has this to do with amateur radio?

TAFKARJ is trying to "prove" something by connecting SK hams
with the U.S. Army and Washington Army Radio of early 1942.

As opposed to YOU "connecting" Army KIA's to YOUR service in the
Army three years after they became KIA's, Your Scumminess...?!?!

The rest of your vain, "See, I Know Radio History Better Than
You" rant snipped...You only "proved" that you were enbarrassed that
some "mere amateur" demonstrated as much interest in radio history as
you...

Scumbag. Your wife still sleeping with Ben-Gay undr her nose to
smotehr the stench?

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Scumbag. Your wife still sleeping with Ben-Gay undr her nose to
smotehr the stench?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, is this what you call rational discussion?

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Scumbag. Your wife still sleeping with Ben-Gay under her nose to
smother the stench?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, is this what you call rational discussion?

I didn't set the parameters of the discussion, PuppetBoy.

This is all Lennie understands...It's all he wants...I am just
satisfying his need to be humiliated. Consider it a Good Samaritan
act.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Scumbag. Your wife still sleeping with Ben-Gay under her nose to
smother the stench?

Steve, K4YZ


Steve, is this what you call rational discussion?

I didn't set the parameters of the discussion, PuppetBoy.

So how low will you go?

This is all Lennie understands...It's all he wants...I am just
satisfying his need to be humiliated. Consider it a Good Samaritan
act.

Steve, K4YZ

You're out of control. Just ask anyone.