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Ham-radio is a hobby not a service
"Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air? if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway. |
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"Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? It is a service because that is how it is defined and authorized under FCC rules Part 97. All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Let Them choose! There is nothing to choose. It is a service. In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that ham radio is a service still allows individuals to be hams on nothing more than a personal hobby basis. Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned resource. Under US law and under the laws of most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA) gets to specify the rules for amateur radio. No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! Sorry, there is NO opportunity for you or anyone else to vote as you wish. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Anonymous wrote:
Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. No you can't. There are rules on the golf coures you must follow or you will not be allowed to play. You can't play golf on the Whitehous lawn, in the middle of the street, on someone elses' private property, in a public park, or any number of other places. Almost everything you do has rules attatched. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! I guess you are one of the idiots who advocate that the the government should not have any say in how the airwaves can be used. That the airwaves should be free for anyone to use anyway they please at anytime. If that were so, I wonder how you would feel if your family was killed in a plane crash because the pilot could not communicate with air traffic control because some freedom loving moron such as yourself was transmitting on the ATC frequencies. The FCC defines Amateur Radio as a service, and the hams like it that way, now go spout you drivle somewhere else. |
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In article J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous, Anonymous
writes: Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! Troll-O-Meter: 0 1 3 5 7 9 +10 +20 |||||| 73 de Larry, K3LT |
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Anonymous wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous...
Remainder of another LennieRant under an anonymous "signature" snipped. Nothing new. Same rhetoric. Steve, K4YZ |
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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:52:53 -0000, "Dave" wrote: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air? if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway. It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on with their job and go back to playing two way radios. -Barry And I sure that FEMA, the Red Cross, and other groups who consider ham operators vital would agree with you. NOT!! Trolls just never go away. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? It is a service because that is how it is defined and authorized under FCC rules Part 97. All throughout Title 47 C.F.R. the word "service" is a regulatory term denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated. All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Let Them choose! There is nothing to choose. It is a service. In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that ham radio is a service still allows individuals to be hams on nothing more than a personal hobby basis. Citizens Band Radio SERVICE. Remote Control Radio SERVICE. Private Land Mobile Radio SERVICE. Broadcasting SERVICE. Aeronautical Mobile SERVICE. Just five examples of types and kinds of radio activity in Title 47 C.F.R., all using the word "service." All those "services" are for civil (non-government) radio. No military or government-like services are meant nor intended. Just a regulatory term. The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned resource. Under US law and under the laws of most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA) gets to specify the rules for amateur radio. All throughout Title 47 C.F.R., the word "service" is a regulatory term used to denote a type or kind of radio activity being regulated for U.S. non-government radio. Of the five examples given, only broadcasting is required to perform specified services of a specified percentage of transmission time to program content and material to the general community within its service area. Note that "service area" is a term phrase to denote the geographic coverage of broadcast signals above a specified certain field strength. The specific word "service" in that phrase does not refer to a "community service" nor "military service" nor "service to the country" nor even "service for eight" as in dinnerware. Those trying to imply that the word "service" in Amateur Radio Service is some sort of "service to the community" is merely self- enoblement by radio amateurs which has no relevance to reality. Amateur radio as practiced. Amateur radio - as practiced - is almost entirely a personal recreational activity involving radio, done without pecuniary interest. A hobby. Anything more than that is a fantasy existing within radio amateur's imagination...and in the self-serving propaganda of the ARRL to reinforce such imaginary thoughts in order to convince radio amateurs of belonging to the League. If anything the Amateur Radio Service is closer to "service for one" as in dinnerware. An amateur radio licensee cannot transfer that license. It belongs only to the stated licensee. The license does not state, convey, or imply that the licensee must perform any community service to anyone other than emergency communications under certain conditions stated in Parts 2 and 97 of Title 47 C.F.R. No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! Sorry, there is NO opportunity for you or anyone else to vote as you wish. Actually, there IS such an opportunity and it is built into the Constitution of the United States and some Amendments. For a large change try Articles V and VII plus Amendment IX. :-) Otherwise - except in this little zoo called a newsgroup - we can all "vote" as we wish just like a bunch of amateurs are "serving" the nation through their "service" of being in a hobby. LHA / WMD |
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Barry OGrady ) writes:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:52:53 -0000, "Dave" wrote: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:J2MH52HJ38045.6499652778@anonymous... Golf is a hobby not a service. Why ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams dont want to be considered as a public service. Everybody has not the military spirit. Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur radio as a service in ITU rules. To be considered as a service has many drawbacks for the ham rights, you are always dependent of what a governement wants. Does the governement has any influence on how you want to play golf ? No, you can play in the manner you want. So let the hams vote if they want to continue to be a service. The answer is evident, they will vote for FREEDOM. So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" ! being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air? if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway. It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on with their job and go back to playing two way radios. Even if you weren't confused, you'd be confused. Amateur radio is not a service because of any public service done by licensed hams. It's a service because it is licensed by the government. It's the same useage of "service" as seen in the GMRS, "General Mobile Radio Service". When I was a kid and first licensed, it was still the "Amateur Experimental Service" here in Canada. Nothing at all to do with public service. Michael VE2BVW |
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