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Old February 28th 04, 09:52 PM
Dave
 
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"Anonymous" wrote in message
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Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at
all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would
hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air?
if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and
ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the
government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we
remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all
reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so
many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them
apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be
expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper
title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway.



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Old February 28th 04, 11:34 PM
Bill Sohl
 
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"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ?


It is a service because that is how it is defined and
authorized under FCC rules Part 97.

All hams dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit. Let Them choose!


There is nothing to choose. It is a service.
In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that
ham radio is a service still allows individuals
to be hams on nothing more than a personal
hobby basis.

Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?


The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio
because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned
resource. Under US law and under the laws of
most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA)
gets to specify the rules for amateur radio.

No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


Sorry, there is NO opportunity for
you or anyone else to vote as you wish.

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



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Old February 28th 04, 11:41 PM
JJ
 
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Anonymous wrote:
Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.


No you can't. There are rules on the golf coures you must follow or you
will not be allowed to play. You can't play golf on the Whitehous lawn,
in the middle of the street, on someone elses' private property, in a
public park, or any number of other places. Almost everything you do has
rules attatched.

So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


I guess you are one of the idiots who advocate that the the government
should not have any say in how the airwaves can be used. That the
airwaves should be free for anyone to use anyway they please at anytime.
If that were so, I wonder how you would feel if your family was killed
in a plane crash because the pilot could not communicate with air
traffic control because some freedom loving moron such as yourself was
transmitting on the ATC frequencies.

The FCC defines Amateur Radio as a service, and the hams like it that
way, now go spout you drivle somewhere else.

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Old February 29th 04, 06:08 AM
Larry Roll K3LT
 
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In article [email protected], Anonymous
writes:

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


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73 de Larry, K3LT


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Old February 29th 04, 12:44 PM
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Anonymous wrote in message news:[email protected]

Remainder of another LennieRant under an anonymous "signature" snipped.

Nothing new. Same rhetoric.

Steve, K4YZ


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Old February 29th 04, 04:33 PM
Dee D. Flint
 
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"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:52:53 -0000, "Dave" wrote:


"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to

at
all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would
hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the

air?
if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and
ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the
government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we
remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all
reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do

so
many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them
apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be
expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the

paper
title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway.


It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can

do in
times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on
with their job and go back to playing two way radios.


-Barry


And I sure that FEMA, the Red Cross, and other groups who consider ham
operators vital would agree with you. NOT!!

Trolls just never go away.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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Old February 29th 04, 06:17 PM
Len Over 21
 
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In article k.net, "Bill
Sohl" writes:

"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ?


It is a service because that is how it is defined and
authorized under FCC rules Part 97.


All throughout Title 47 C.F.R. the word "service" is a regulatory term
denoting the type and kind of radio activity being regulated.

All hams dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit. Let Them choose!


There is nothing to choose. It is a service.
In actual day-to-day activity, the fact that
ham radio is a service still allows individuals
to be hams on nothing more than a personal
hobby basis.


Citizens Band Radio SERVICE.

Remote Control Radio SERVICE.

Private Land Mobile Radio SERVICE.

Broadcasting SERVICE.

Aeronautical Mobile SERVICE.

Just five examples of types and kinds of radio activity in Title 47
C.F.R., all using the word "service." All those "services" are
for civil (non-government) radio. No military or government-like
services are meant nor intended. Just a regulatory term.

The government will ALWAYS have a say in ham radio
because the radio spectrum is not a privatlely owned
resource. Under US law and under the laws of
most countries, the government (the FCC in the USA)
gets to specify the rules for amateur radio.


All throughout Title 47 C.F.R., the word "service" is a regulatory
term used to denote a type or kind of radio activity being
regulated for U.S. non-government radio.

Of the five examples given, only broadcasting is required to perform
specified services of a specified percentage of transmission time to
program content and material to the general community within its
service area.

Note that "service area" is a term phrase to denote the geographic
coverage of broadcast signals above a specified certain field
strength. The specific word "service" in that phrase does not refer
to a "community service" nor "military service" nor "service to the
country" nor even "service for eight" as in dinnerware.

Those trying to imply that the word "service" in Amateur Radio
Service is some sort of "service to the community" is merely self-
enoblement by radio amateurs which has no relevance to reality.
Amateur radio as practiced. Amateur radio - as practiced - is
almost entirely a personal recreational activity involving radio, done
without pecuniary interest. A hobby. Anything more than that is
a fantasy existing within radio amateur's imagination...and in the
self-serving propaganda of the ARRL to reinforce such imaginary
thoughts in order to convince radio amateurs of belonging to the
League.

If anything the Amateur Radio Service is closer to "service for one"
as in dinnerware.

An amateur radio licensee cannot transfer that license. It belongs
only to the stated licensee. The license does not state, convey,
or imply that the licensee must perform any community service to
anyone other than emergency communications under certain
conditions stated in Parts 2 and 97 of Title 47 C.F.R.

No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


Sorry, there is NO opportunity for
you or anyone else to vote as you wish.


Actually, there IS such an opportunity and it is built into the
Constitution of the United States and some Amendments. For
a large change try Articles V and VII plus Amendment IX. :-)

Otherwise - except in this little zoo called a newsgroup - we can
all "vote" as we wish just like a bunch of amateurs are "serving"
the nation through their "service" of being in a hobby.

LHA / WMD
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Old February 29th 04, 06:33 PM
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In article ,
says...
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:52:53 -0000, "Dave" wrote:


"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:[email protected]

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at
all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would
hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air?
if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and
ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the
government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we
remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all
reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so
many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them
apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be
expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper
title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway.


It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in
times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on
with their job and go back to playing two way radios.


Uh huh - just wait until Al Qaeda figures out how to disable our
communications infrastructure. It's easy, a fiber snip here, a block of
C4 at the base of a tower, drive an explosive laden truck into a
switching facility.

One little known fact about the PSTN is that it's a 4:1 ratio. For ever
four lines there is in reality only one actual talk path. Just imagine a
major switching center/tandem being take out.

And what exactly will be left? Amateur Radio.

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Old February 29th 04, 07:48 PM
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Barry OGrady ) writes:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:52:53 -0000, "Dave" wrote:


"Anonymous" wrote in message
news:J2MH52HJ38045.6[email protected]

Golf is a hobby not a service. Why
ham-radio is a "service" ? All hams
dont want to be considered as a public
service. Everybody has not the military
spirit.
Lets them choose ! Suppress amateur
radio as a service in ITU rules. To be
considered as a service has many
drawbacks for the ham rights, you
are always dependent of what a
governement wants. Does the governement
has any influence on how you want to
play golf ?
No, you can play in the manner you want.
So let the hams vote if they want to
continue to be a service. The answer is
evident, they will vote for FREEDOM.

So act for "NO SERVICE INTERNATIONAL" !


being a 'service' also has its advantages. would golfers be listened to at
all if BPL were going to take away their 'right' to play golf? would
hobbyists be asked to help in time of emergency, or be ordered off the air?
if big business wanted one of our bands and all we did was hunt dx and
ragchew and didn't have a history of service to the country would the
government think twice about taking their money for it? as long as we
remain a service and at least some of us do what we can to help then all
reap the rewards... I move we get rid of the freeloaders, if you don't do so
many hours of 'service' every year you lose your license! how about them
apples! Of course that won't happen as the administration of it would be
expensive and complicated. so crawl back in your hole and accept the paper
title of the 'service' and just do what you want anyway.


It's not a service at all. It is a hobby. All amateur radio operators can do in
times of emergency is get in the way. Leave the professionals to get on
with their job and go back to playing two way radios.


Even if you weren't confused, you'd be confused.

Amateur radio is not a service because of any public service done by
licensed hams.

It's a service because it is licensed by the government. It's the same
useage of "service" as seen in the GMRS, "General Mobile Radio Service".

When I was a kid and first licensed, it was still the "Amateur Experimental
Service" here in Canada.

Nothing at all to do with public service.

Michael VE2BVW

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