JJ wrote:

William Warren wrote:



I don't label "anyone who disagrees" with me: I used the "GOP PR"
metaphor
as a sarcastic reply to an unattributed, and untracable, piece of
disinformation. If it wasn't clear to you that I was being sarcastic,
then I
suggest you need to get out mo please recall that within 24 hours
it had
gone from being the alleged report of a "Retired Rear Admiral" to being a
putative contribution by "Marine Master Sergeant" in a chat room, and I
think I was able to shoot _that_ nonsense down as well.


Go read this, it even gives the Marine Master Sargent's name, you can
call him and verify it yourself.

http://www.keepingapace.com/blogarch...ontroversy.php




Correction, Marine Major.

David Ragsdale wrote:


JJ wrote:


If Kerry should be elected president (God forbid!!!), and we have
another 9/11 type attack, Kerry will be leading the anti-war protest.


Absolutely. In fact, Kerry, in a speech to the Council on Foreign
Relations last October, stated that he would cease the war on
terrorists, would negotiate with terrorist states, would APOLOGIZE for
the actions of the United States so far, and would return terrorism to a
"law enforcement issue" rather than the declaration of war it rightfully
is.

This is the exact policy followed by the Clinton Administration, which
led to the events of Sept. 11, 2001.

The safety of my family is far too important to risk ever voting for a
demonstrable ignorant buffoon like Kerry. President Bush has taken
exactly the correct path in fighting the war on terror.



Maybe Kerry is going to get Jane Fonda to run on the ticket with him,
and appoint Barbra Streisand, Whoopei Goldberg, Martin Sheen, and Rosie
O'Donald to the White House advisory staff. You know, those folks that
said they would leave the country if Bush were elected.

"JJ" wrote in message
...
JJ wrote:

William Warren wrote:



I don't label "anyone who disagrees" with me: I used the "GOP PR"
metaphor as a sarcastic reply to an unattributed, and untracable, piece
of
disinformation. If it wasn't clear to you that I was being sarcastic,
then I suggest you need to get out mo please recall that within 24
hours
it had gone from being the alleged report of a "Retired Rear Admiral"
to being a
putative contribution by "Marine Master Sergeant" in a chat room, and I
think I was able to shoot _that_ nonsense down as well.

Go read this, it even gives the Marine Master Sargent's name, you can
call him and verify it yourself.


http://www.keepingapace.com/blogarch...ontroversy.php


Correction, Marine Major.

You post implies that you have confirmed the authenticity of what was
originally posted here, and that's not the case: the material at that URL is
an opinion piece by a commentator, who quotes nine sentences from the former
Major Stolz, none of which appeared in the original post or the followup
that I responded to. I stand by my opinion concerning my previous messages:
that there never was any such thing published in a chat room, by a "Retired
Rear Admiral", a "Master Sergeant", or anyone else who was ever in a
possition to know didly about the 'nam. It's GOP FUD, plain and simple.

As to _this_ publication: it's author, Thomas D. Seigal, says at the start
of the second paragraph that

"I would argue that anyone who experienced shots fired in
anger has the right to ask questions about any other person
who makes similar claims. "

.... but he does not provide any information as to whether he or the two
officers he quoted were ever in Vietnam or even in combat : in its absence,
I assume they were not.

Let's leave that aside, though: there is a larger issue, and it is getting
swamped (no doubt as the spindoctors at the RNC planned), in minutiae about
whether John Kerry acted wisely in conducting operations during close-order
combat. I submit that it is unimportant whether Kerry "should" have gotten
off his boat or whether he "should" have acted differently under fire.

Senator Kerry was a commander of a combat crew that was regularly involved
in life or death struggles with hardened, experienced Viet Minh cadres, at
the same time that the current President was evading even the minimal
obligations to the Texas Air National Guard which his father had arranged
for him.

There's a phrase that's used a lot in substance-abuse counseling: "Don't
should on yourself". I don't care what Kerry "should" have done: he was
there, and Shrub wasn't.

Bill Warren

P.S. This really has gotten too far off the subject of ham radio. I've set
the followups to talk.politics.

(My email address has an anti-spam meassure you must remove for direct
replies)