In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes: "Len Over 21" wrote ... Isn't it awful? Gosh, he ought to contact the other Steve, Colonel Austin (the one with the bionic VTC), and, with the aid of a ham in Iowa, they can straighten all this out to assure their amateur god-hood. I just have to laugh. This very same technology that you make fun of (I presume because you don''t have a clue) is the same technology that might very well save your butt some day. Actually, it might. You get all those FAR and DFAR documents together, epoxy them into nice walls (using COTS epoxy, of course) and you will create a Maginot-style impregnable fortress to protect everyone! Yup, a VTC will allow the participants to TALK terrorists out of attacking the USA again! Scare them witless with video bytes! Posture, preen, show them who's Boss! Right on! ------ Now what has your ranting to say about the NCVEC petition (RM-10870) and their proposed "Communicator" class license? Hint...that's in the thread title and the subject of the thread origin... LHA / WMD |
In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes: "Len Over 21" wrote ... "Len Over 21" wrote ... Sheesh, Leonard. We don't use much in the way of milspec electronics anymore. The new theory adopted by the armed services in 1994 relies heavily on commercially available gear. Are you sleeping on your COTS? The day of everything having to be milspec is long gone. Bravo Sierra. Those are still here. So are Military Specifications, abbreviated "Mil Spec" among those of us who still have to use them. The Bravo Sierra is yours, Leonard. Since you don't actually work with the military anymore, you are forced to search things out on the net and hope they are up to date. Actually, I'm working for a company that is contracting to another company who has a contract to supply electronics for the DoD. Not full time. But the MIL STDs of many kinds are in both places with many different dash number "Mil Specs" called out. Then you should know that if the product (or service) cannot be obtained commercially, even the components should be commercial or adapted for military use. So, if a product isn't available commercially, the commercial product must be used anyway? :-) Makes for very lightweight products. Those would have lots of things not there. :-) As you know, many "commercial" products already meet or exceed what we would commonly refer to as Milspec. They do? Gosh. All this time thousands of design engineers have been "wrong" according to His Majesty with the bionic VTC! Thanks for the heads-up. The FAR is the Federal Aquisition Regulation (15 and 42) and the DFAR is the defense version. If you are a contractor and or sub-contractor on a government contract, you are required to be familiar with it. I am? We are? I suppose. That's what the "bean-counters" are for, Arnie. Not my area. I'm intimately into the product itself and its very specific specifications. We are very familiar with those specific specifications. The managerial levels and the accountants can handle the administrative details. Us design folk aren't required to be legal beagles sniffing out things in the financial-contract half of an award, just the engineering-contract part of it. [those specific specifications mentioned] Seriously, you might want to tell your employer to supply you a copy since you and I both are bound by what it says. My contractor, not my "employer." There's a difference, but the difference is a petty detail that you Pentagon lords of the Rings don't bother with. :-) I'm not worried about the contract administration tasks. So far, to the best of my observation, no contract regulation has ever been able to communicate by radio, search for a submarine, or test out another electronic unit. Maybe you know of some contract document that has? I'm sure that you need only imply you always tell the truth in here and that is the Final Word. :-) Do you know what COTS is? Ask around. Don't sleep on the job. COTS = Commercial Off The Shelf. I'm quite familiar with the term COTS. I didn't respond because it was a moronic question to ask someone who works in the system. Riiiight. And all the contract administrators can "work on the board," do the designs, get their hands dirty in the labs, monitor the environmental testing, troubleshoot failures, and, in general, make the PRODUCT work. Suuuuure. Just who do you think specifies whether or not a commercial, off the shelf component will WORK in a PRODUCT? Here's a clue, bionic one, it's NOT the contract administration side of a contract. "Millions" in contract awards have been awarded since WW2. The dollar amounts, normalized for the COLA, serve only to indicate the size of a particular project. That's a manager and bean-counter thing; us folks with the dirtier hands concentrate on the works of a project in order to fulfill a contract. And as the COR, I make sure that you do. Not HERE, sweetie. Your name on the corporate visitor's list at the lobby ain't there nor did security ever give you a pass for visitor access. The COR (Contract Officer Representative or COTR (technical added)) IS the person in the weeds, Leonard. We surveille, inspect, rate, and coordinate with the contractor concerning every aspect of the contract for the CO. The 6 million dollar contract (for which I am still the COR) extends over a period of 2 years. We are only 3 months into it at this point, and have just completed our first quarterly performance rating for them. They did quite well. Okay, I'll have my dentist erect a plaque with your name on it. It would be fun to have you visit the main plant and watch you "surveille" the work on the prototypes. I'll bet all your morse code and amateur experience would make you very knowledgeable about the work being "surveilled." Oh, and leave the weeds at the entrance. There's lots of clean rooms here and we can't allow dirt or vegetation into them. New stuff, Leonard. Doesn't even remotely resemble what you did in 1955. I gave you the web site to research. What, did the BIG words stump you? "BIG" is also an acronym now? [what will they think of next?] Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? Antidisestablishmentarianism? I'm working with HEMT, PHEMT, and GaSP devices. For radio purposes...and some of that will bleed over to WiFax, one of the IEEE 802 standard systems for broadband (it ain't "Wi-Fi" but one of the families within the standard). DoD will own the plans per terms of the overall contract, but the techniques and notebook data aren't owned by da gubmint. I bet you a dollar to a donut that the military specific application of that technology is quite proprietary. "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" is probably proprietary to Walt Disney Productions. I don't know the details but the Disney corporate buildings are at the corner of Verdugo and Buena Vista in Burbank. "Antidisestablishmentarianism" is free for public use, in some dictionaries. HEMT, PHEMT, and GaSP are non-copyrighted process terms in the RF-electronics industry. I'll meet you at the Krispy Kreme at the Empire Center in Burbank. You bring the money, I'll bring the appetite. -------- Now, how does your "COR" superiorness relate to the NCVEC petition (RM-10870) and the term "Communicator" class of amateur radio license? :-) LHA / WMD |
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Clarification, was: Wrong Again, Len! (Communicator Power) From: (Len Over 21) Date: 3/27/2004 11:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... Besides, the gunnery nurse keeps hollering "HE LIES, HE LIES!" He's nuts. Pay no attention. I don't...but it's like QRM, there, noisy, with no intelligence content and it distracts from real discussions. In the last four years, I have seen you post exactly THREE posts that I would classify as "real discussions", Lennie. The last one being this past week on the importance of filing comments with the FCC on BPL. The rest are your ususal smatterings of rhetorical antagonism, spiced with profanity and "personal perjorative". Same Putzy Lennie... Steve, K4YZ Didn't he help you find a schematic or a manual? |
Subject: Wrong Again, Len! (Communicator Power)
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 3/28/2004 3:32 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Now, how does your "COR" superiorness relate to the NCVEC petition (RM-10870) and the term "Communicator" class of amateur radio license? I love seeing Lennie backed into corners. Funny how being there suddenly makes him want to get "on topic", even though only one day ago he was perfectly happy to ramble on about off-topic stuff when he thought it was going to make him look "smart". Lennie went one-acromym too far and found himself bested by a federal employee...Not even a "radio engineer"...THAT had to hurt! Sheeesh. What a creep. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: Clarification, was: Wrong Again, Len! (Communicator Power)
From: (William) Date: 3/28/2004 4:02 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: The rest are your ususal smatterings of rhetorical antagonism, spiced with profanity and "personal perjorative". Same Putzy Lennie... Steve, K4YZ Didn't he help you find a schematic or a manual? Sure he did. And Hitler got the trains running and revitalized a devastated economy. The point being that even the worst scoundrels of civilization can do SOMETHING right once in a while. When he did those things, I said "Thanks, Len", and I meant it. When he resorts to profanity and the usual misrepresentations about Amateur Radio, it's "back to work""... Steve, K4YZ |
"Len Over 21" wrote ...
So, if a product isn't available commercially, the commercial product must be used anyway? :-) Makes for very lightweight products. Those would have lots of things not there. :-) The next step would be to modify a commercial product to meet the standard or specification. If that is not possible, then R&D it and produce the product through a specific contract with the developer. As you know, many "commercial" products already meet or exceed what we would commonly refer to as Milspec. They do? Gosh. All this time thousands of design engineers have been "wrong" according to His Majesty with the bionic VTC! Thanks for the heads-up. The FAR is the Federal Aquisition Regulation (15 and 42) and the DFAR is the defense version. If you are a contractor and or sub-contractor on a government contract, you are required to be familiar with it. I am? We are? I suppose. That's what the "bean-counters" are for, Arnie. Not my area. I'm intimately into the product itself and its very specific specifications. We are very familiar with those specific specifications. The managerial levels and the accountants can handle the administrative details. Us design folk aren't required to be legal beagles sniffing out things in the financial-contract half of an award, just the engineering-contract part of it. [those specific specifications mentioned] You, as the "developer" of the product (as a sub-contractor) would not be directly responsible, but the general contractor "is". Therefore, it is in their best interest to provide you with those regulations. Whether the mistake is yours or the contractor's, the government can and will assess interest, damages, or cancel the contract for non-performance. Seriously, you might want to tell your employer to supply you a copy since you and I both are bound by what it says. My contractor, not my "employer." There's a difference, but the difference is a petty detail that you Pentagon lords of the Rings don't bother with. :-) In this case, the contractor is acting as your employer. You, as the sub-contractor have legal obligations to perform to the standards outlined in the contract. I'm not worried about the contract administration tasks. So far, to the best of my observation, no contract regulation has ever been able to communicate by radio, search for a submarine, or test out another electronic unit. Maybe you know of some contract document that has? Documents no, but a breach of a contract regulation (as designated through the Contract Officer) can result in the assessment of interest, damages, or cancellation of the contract for non-performance I'm sure that you need only imply you always tell the truth in here and that is the Final Word. :-) Do you know what COTS is? Ask around. Don't sleep on the job. COTS = Commercial Off The Shelf. I'm quite familiar with the term COTS. I didn't respond because it was a moronic question to ask someone who works in the system. Riiiight. And all the contract administrators can "work on the board," do the designs, get their hands dirty in the labs, monitor the environmental testing, troubleshoot failures, and, in general, make the PRODUCT work. Suuuuure. The term COTR is exactly as it implies. A technical expert. That is why I administer contracts concerning security issues, and others administer your contract. I guarantee, the COTR on YOUR contract is an expert in that field and can perform the technical surveillance as necessary. They probably already have. Just who do you think specifies whether or not a commercial, off the shelf component will WORK in a PRODUCT? Here's a clue, bionic one, it's NOT the contract administration side of a contract. The producer of that component MUST certify that is is within contract specifications. The COTR, a technical expert, will also determine through surveillance, inspections, or various other means, if the component meets the technical specifications of the contract. It's a check and balance system to insure the product works as promised. "Millions" in contract awards have been awarded since WW2. The dollar amounts, normalized for the COLA, serve only to indicate the size of a particular project. That's a manager and bean-counter thing; us folks with the dirtier hands concentrate on the works of a project in order to fulfill a contract. And as the COR, I make sure that you do. Not HERE, sweetie. Your name on the corporate visitor's list at the lobby ain't there nor did security ever give you a pass for visitor access. It was a rhetorical answer, Leonard. I work as the COTR on a security contract. In that area, I am the technical expert. Your COTR is also a technical expert in electronics. We surveille, inspect, rate, and coordinate with the contractor concerning every aspect of the contract for the CO. The 6 million dollar contract (for which I am still the COR) extends over a period of 2 years. We are only 3 months into it at this point, and have just completed our first quarterly performance rating for them. They did quite well. Okay, I'll have my dentist erect a plaque with your name on it. It would be fun to have you visit the main plant and watch you "surveille" the work on the prototypes. I'll bet all your morse code and amateur experience would make you very knowledgeable about the work being "surveilled." I won't be doing that anytime soon, not my contract. But I guarantee that YOUR COTR has already made such a visit. Known to you or not. Oh, and leave the weeds at the entrance. There's lots of clean rooms here and we can't allow dirt or vegetation into them. New stuff, Leonard. Doesn't even remotely resemble what you did in 1955. I gave you the web site to research. What, did the BIG words stump you? "BIG" is also an acronym now? [what will they think of next?] Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? Antidisestablishmentarianism? I'm working with HEMT, PHEMT, and GaSP devices. For radio purposes...and some of that will bleed over to WiFax, one of the IEEE 802 standard systems for broadband (it ain't "Wi-Fi" but one of the families within the standard). DoD will own the plans per terms of the overall contract, but the techniques and notebook data aren't owned by da gubmint. I bet you a dollar to a donut that the military specific application of that technology is quite proprietary. "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" is probably proprietary to Walt Disney Productions. I don't know the details but the Disney corporate buildings are at the corner of Verdugo and Buena Vista in Burbank. "Antidisestablishmentarianism" is free for public use, in some dictionaries. HEMT, PHEMT, and GaSP are non-copyrighted process terms in the RF-electronics industry. I'll meet you at the Krispy Kreme at the Empire Center in Burbank. You bring the money, I'll bring the appetite. I didn't say the terms, Leonard, I said the "specific" application of them. My bet still stands. -------- Now, how does your "COR" superiorness relate to the NCVEC petition (RM-10870) and the term "Communicator" class of amateur radio license? :-) I am an extra class amatuer radio operator. The changes in the NCVEC, testing, or any other myriad issues won't effect me in the least. I'll concentrate on the danger that BPL is posing. The issue of Morse testing is long since over. Time to move on. Arnie - LHA / WMD |
"Len Over 21" wrote ...
"Len Over 21" wrote ... Isn't it awful? Gosh, he ought to contact the other Steve, Colonel Austin (the one with the bionic VTC), and, with the aid of a ham in Iowa, they can straighten all this out to assure their amateur god-hood. I just have to laugh. This very same technology that you make fun of (I presume because you don''t have a clue) is the same technology that might very well save your butt some day. Actually, it might. You get all those FAR and DFAR documents together, epoxy them into nice walls (using COTS epoxy, of course) and you will create a Maginot-style impregnable fortress to protect everyone! Yup, a VTC will allow the participants to TALK terrorists out of attacking the USA again! Scare them witless with video bytes! Posture, preen, show them who's Boss! Right on! The Scotty can send picture, data or both simultaneously. It has a remote camera capability, which alows us to send real-time data and pictures during emergencies. Of course, I'm sure you see no importance in that. After all, who would want that capability in an emergency, right? Arnie - ------ Now what has your ranting to say about the NCVEC petition (RM-10870) and their proposed "Communicator" class license? Hint...that's in the thread title and the subject of the thread origin... LHA / WMD |
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote ...
Once thought to have Arnie's back against the wall, and therefore MORE than willing to rant off-topic on his own, Lennie finds himself up against a formidable and well prepared "opponent" and NOW wants to move back on target. Uh huh. __________________________________________________ ___________ Leonard came to my ballpark and wanted to play. The problem he faces is simple. I am the expert in this particular arena. Unfortunately, he just doesn't seem to realize that. Arnie - |
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