"William" wrote ...

I could be wrong, but I think only school teachers and the ARRL's W1AW
Operator are allowed to be paid while using amateur radio.
__________________________________________________ _________

I understand your point, but the intent of this section in the FCC rules was
to stop Ham radio from being used for commercial purposes, not to prohibit
emergency communications. Nothing in the rules prohibits use of this
equipment during an emergency by any licensed person. Or for that matter,
any person whatever. As I said, our Ham equipment is being used for
redundancy, so for all practical purposes, it will never be used for routine
communication -- other than testing to ensure it is working properly.

Arnie -









ary communications has a specialized function
for such purposes.


I agree that the specialized function it provides could have assisted
us --
and we too a long look at that when we were planning. But in reviewing
all
COAs, the cost-benefit just wasn't there. Since we are primarily in
contact
with civilian agencies (both state and federal) during emergencies, it
made
better sense to utilize the cilvilian HAM radio assets we had in place.
We
have plenty of standard military comms available other than MARS HF.
The
Amateur radio piece is for redundancy purposes -- not as a primary means
of
communication. For example, all of our VHF is military and of course
the
SAT and wireless is run on military net/satilites for security purposes.

Arnie -

Fair enough.

"Len Over 21" wrote ...

Save the vituperation and concentrate on your fabulous emergency
work for Homeland Security.

Tell us all about TCL and the Scotty. Show us where that is applied
so much in other radio communications.

Have you any experience in metrology? (not meteorology) I know
how to measure current, voltage, wattage, resistance, inductance,
capacitance very well and to small tolerances. Spent two years
working in a Calibration Laboratory. Do you wish to make fun of
that and denigrate that with more name-calling like "Great White
Current Chaser?"

Why do you apply labels that were never claimed? I happen to have
been in electronics and radio for a long time, beginning with primary
communications on HF. That's not "legendary." It is just was is.
If you wish to be petulant and abusive because you haven't had
that experience or accumulated as much knowledge, that is your
problem, not mine.

You might try for some mental health counseling, too. It would cure
you of what appears to be a radio inferiority complex.
__________________________________________________ ___________

If I wanted your resume, I would have asked for it, Leonard. It seems any
time that someone challenges your 1950s understanding of electricity, you
break out that tired old resume. (yawn)Who cares what you did in 1950? -- I
sure don't. For your information (since you apparently don't know) the
VTC/Scotty is applied across the military services in a wide variety of
applications. I don't suppose you know what a "Blackberry" is either. Oh,
wait --- I'm sure you do since you are so up to snuff on all the new
technology. Oh that's right, they didn't have that kind of technology in
1950. Well, I guess you'll just have to continue "astounding" us with
ancient electrical theory.

Arnie -

In article , "Arnie Macy"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote ...

Save the vituperation and concentrate on your fabulous emergency
work for Homeland Security.

Tell us all about TCL and the Scotty. Show us where that is applied
so much in other radio communications.

Have you any experience in metrology? (not meteorology) I know
how to measure current, voltage, wattage, resistance, inductance,
capacitance very well and to small tolerances. Spent two years
working in a Calibration Laboratory. Do you wish to make fun of
that and denigrate that with more name-calling like "Great White
Current Chaser?"

Why do you apply labels that were never claimed? I happen to have
been in electronics and radio for a long time, beginning with primary
communications on HF. That's not "legendary." It is just was is.
If you wish to be petulant and abusive because you haven't had
that experience or accumulated as much knowledge, that is your
problem, not mine.

You might try for some mental health counseling, too. It would cure
you of what appears to be a radio inferiority complex.
_________________________________________________ ____________

If I wanted your resume, I would have asked for it, Leonard. It seems any
time that someone challenges your 1950s understanding of electricity, you
break out that tired old resume. (yawn)Who cares what you did in 1950? -- I
sure don't.

1960s, Arnie. Actually I don't care what you did before since it
wasn't much to do with electronics (which includes radio).

Oh my, give you a Title and you really become difficult, don't you?

For your information (since you apparently don't know) the
VTC/Scotty is applied across the military services in a wide variety of
applications.

Video Tape Cassette?

Show us the references where we all might learn of these
"new revelations" for a "wide variety of applications" in
Communications. Give us TM numbers, FM numbers, etc.

I don't suppose you know what a "Blackberry" is either.

If you mean the little palmtop unit favored in Europe and the UK,
I do.

Do you know what a "raspberry" is? Here, have one from me
to you.

Oh,
wait --- I'm sure you do since you are so up to snuff on all the new
technology.

A lot more than you ever to admit...or concede.

Oh that's right, they didn't have that kind of technology in
1950.

True enough. The transistor was invented in 1947, took a half
decade or so before they became practical enough to use.

Faster than the vacuum tube invention to practical, useable
tubes, all without some fantastic improvements in metalurgy
and quality control required in solid-state electronics.

Well, I guess you'll just have to continue "astounding" us with
ancient electrical theory.

You would be "astounded" to learn Ohm's Law well enough to
apply a resistor in an electrical circuit. Ohm theorized his Law
of Resistance (often misused as "Ohm's Law") way back in time,
probably before radio was first demonstrated as a communications
medium.

James Clerk Maxwell and Oliver Heaviside formulated enough laws
to later explain radio propagation, also before 1896. How about
Ampere' and Volta? Or even James Watt? Heinrich Hertz?
All "ancient" in your terms of reference. All RELEVANT TODAY.

Prove those fundamental laws don't apply today because you
don't like "ancient" stuff.

Go ahead, call a ham in Iowa on CW. Maybe he can help you.

Then QRT.

LHA / WMD

Subject: Wrong Again, Len! (Communicator Power)
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:28 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message

It's about what YOU said.

It's about what you believe I said.

Best of Luck.

No luck needed.

I've quoted EXACTLY what you've said.

Denying it makes you a liar.

Well...I guess it just exacerbates an existing problem, when I think about
it...

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

You might consider a Comment on Petition RM-10869 [by K4SX]
whose primary proposal is to have morse code testing for all
amateurs.

Wrong *again*, Len!

The K4SX proposal does *not* propose "morse code testing for all
amateurs".

It proposes no code test for Tech, 5 wpm for General, 13 wpm for
Extra.

It's only a page and half out of the ECFS.

And yet you mis-state what it proposes. Unless you don't consider
Techs to be amateurs....

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

You might consider a Comment on Petition RM-10869 [by K4SX]
whose primary proposal is to have morse code testing for all
amateurs.

Wrong *again*, Len!

The K4SX proposal does *not* propose "morse code testing for all
amateurs".

It proposes no code test for Tech, 5 wpm for General, 13 wpm for
Extra.

It's only a page and half out of the ECFS.

And yet you mis-state what it proposes. Unless you don't consider
Techs to be amateurs....

Hah! As expected. All you want to do is argue minutae.

You are wasting my time trying to provoke a word fight.

Pizza off.

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

You might consider a Comment on Petition RM-10869 [by K4SX]
whose primary proposal is to have morse code testing for all
amateurs.

Wrong *again*, Len!

The K4SX proposal does *not* propose "morse code testing for all
amateurs".

It proposes no code test for Tech, 5 wpm for General, 13 wpm for
Extra.

It's only a page and half out of the ECFS.

And yet you mis-state what it proposes. Unless you don't consider
Techs to be amateurs....

Hah! As expected. All you want to do is argue minutae.

It's not minutiae, Len. Your statement indicated that *all* amateurs would have
to pass a code test ubder the K4SX proposal. The reality is far different.

You are wasting my time trying to provoke a word fight.

I'm simply correcting your mistakes. You made a real whopper there, on the K4SX
proposal. Very unprofessional.

Pizza off.

What does that mean? Sounds like you're telling me to shut up. Very unAmerican
of you, Len, telling someone to shut up when they correct your mistakes.

I make a pretty good homemade pizza - sauce *and* crust. No, you can't have
any.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Well...I guess it just exacerbates an existing problem, when I think about
it...

Steve, K4YZ

Yep. It exasperates you.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Wrong Again, Len! (Communicator Power)
From: (William)
Date: 3/24/2004 5:26 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Fair enough.

It only took you three days.

Steve, K4YZ

Is there now a time limit on replying?

"Len Over 21" wrote ...

1960s, Arnie. Actually I don't care what you did before since it
wasn't much to do with electronics (which includes radio).


My apologies, 1960s electrical theory

Oh my, give you a Title and you really become difficult, don't you?

For your information (since you apparently don't know) the
VTC/Scotty is applied across the military services in a wide variety of
applications.

Video Tape Cassette?

Show us the references where we all might learn of these
"new revelations" for a "wide variety of applications" in
Communications. Give us TM numbers, FM numbers, etc.


Sheesh, Leonard. We don't use much in the way of milspec electronics
anymore. The new theory adopted by the armed services in 1994 relies
heavily on commercially available gear. The day of everything having to be
milspec is long gone. The FAR "requires" that we use commercial gear when
available, or modify it where possible for that use. "A key goal of federal
aquisition reform is to maximize the use of commercial supplies and
services. the FAR requires activities to explore the use of commercial
items to meet their needs." I learned this when I was being certified as a
COR on a 6 million dollar contract. Nearly everything that we aquired for
use in EM was either strictly commercial gear, or adapted from commercial
gear. (as per the rewuirements of the FAR)

The VTC is video teleconferencing. And a very good place to start would be:

http://www.msua.org/docs/mss_in_sept.htm


I don't suppose you know what a "Blackberry" is either.

If you mean the little palmtop unit favored in Europe and the UK,
I do.


WOW, I'm impressed. Leonard has made it out of the 1960s. Very good. BTW,
it's also favored in the Pentagon.

Do you know what a "raspberry" is? Here, have one from me
to you.

For someone that eschews personal attack so often, you seem to be very good
at it.

Arnie -