Why are so many defending the proposed automatic upgrade from Tech to General?
 

Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose
automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now
that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part
of the proposal.

I realize this might sound radical, but I believe that the current
licensing system, for the most part, is OK. The only change that I
strongly believe should be made is eliminating the 5 wpm Morse Code
exam for all license classes, including Amateur Extra. Until the ARRL
proposal came out, the Morse Code exam was the main controversy. The
proposed automatic upgrades from Tech to General have now stolen much
of the spotlight.

I oppose the proposed automatic upgrade from Tech to General because
it's too large in magnitude. The General exam material is relevant to
operating as a General licensee and goes into greater depth than the
material on the Technician exam. The proposed automatic upgrade from
Advanced to Amateur Extra is modest in magnitude and can be justified
by the fact that most of the current Amateur Extra question pool was
covered by the old Advanced question pool. But the rationale for
upgrading Advanced licensees to Amateur Extra does not apply to
upgrading Technicians to General. (I realize that there are a few
Technicians who passed the General exam, but the current system allows
them to upgrade to General simply by showing that they earned their
Technician license before a certain date in 1987.)

I realize that No-Code Technicians lack HF privileges, but simply
eliminating the 5 wpm exam would upgrade No-Code Techs to Tech Plus
and also make it easier to upgrade to General. Why not drop the 5 wpm
requirement and then expand the Tech Plus privileges on HF? This
would beef up Technician privileges even more without resorting to
automatic upgrades to the General class. I'm not against free
upgrades, but I believe they should be of modest magnitude.

I may be wrong in saying that the Technician exam is not too difficult
for new licensees. I may be wrong in saying that no new Novice class
is needed. If this is the case, then why not have a 4-class system
instead of a 3-class system? Just split the Technician exam into
separate Novice and Technician exams (which was the case before the
restructuring of 2000) and offer a No-Code Novice license. Going to a
3-class system should involve eliminating the Novice class (with free
upgrades to Technician), not the Technician class. The Technician
class is too important to eliminate.

Believe it or not, I have not changed my views in light of the recent
restructuring proposals. I strongly believe that the Morse Code exam
requirement should be eliminated for all license classes, including
Amateur Extra. (No, Larry, I have not joined your side of the issue.)
However, I do not think that the Technician exam is too difficult.
It seems to me that nobody was complaining about the difficulty of the
Technician exam until the ARRL suggested this. The people who defend
the proposed free upgrades from Technician to General are providing
fodder for the Pro-Code-Testing people who insist that the
Anti-Code-Testing people want to get rid of the written exams. I am
one of the Anti-Code-Testing people, and I think the written exams are
OK.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

"Jason Hsu" wrote in message
om...

| Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose
| automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now
| that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part
| of the proposal.

People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all
existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That
suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box.
Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI
members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie.

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...

People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all
existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That
suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box.
Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI
members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie.

Where did you read that No-Code International supports the ARRL
proposal? NCI already submitted a petition, and this petition only
advocated the elimination of the Morse Code test requirement. NCI's
mission is to eliminate this requirement all around the world. It
would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
Technicians to General.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

"Jason Hsu" wrote in message
om...
It
would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
Technicians to General.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

It could be construed as a "natural progression." After all, when you get
right down to it, it's actually about a reduction of effort...the degree of
which is subjective.

73 de Bert
WA2SI

"Jason Hsu" wrote

| Where did you read that No-Code International supports the ARRL
| proposal? NCI already submitted a petition, and this petition only
| advocated the elimination of the Morse Code test requirement. NCI's
| mission is to eliminate this requirement all around the world. It
| would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
| Technicians to General.

Here is an excerpt from a message sent to NCI members:

"Almost two months ago we asked for your input on
the major aspects of the ARRL petition (RM-10867)
for amateur license restructuring. You are one of
the 800+ members who participated in the survey.
We thank you for your valued input! The response
was overwhelming as to desiring NCI to support
all the points in the ARRL petition, except, of
course, any continued code testing."

As I read it, that means that NCI is on record as supporting...

.... the ARRL proposal for a new Novice license.

.... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Technicians to General

.... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Advanceds to Extra

.... the ARRL proposal to end code testing for General

.... the ARRL proposal for re-farming of the old Novice bands.

In other words, "Let the Great Giveaway Begin".

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:

"Jason Hsu" wrote

| Where did you read that No-Code International supports the ARRL
| proposal? NCI already submitted a petition, and this petition only
| advocated the elimination of the Morse Code test requirement. NCI's
| mission is to eliminate this requirement all around the world. It
| would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
| Technicians to General.

Here is an excerpt from a message sent to NCI members:

"Almost two months ago we asked for your input on
the major aspects of the ARRL petition (RM-10867)
for amateur license restructuring. You are one of
the 800+ members who participated in the survey.
We thank you for your valued input! The response
was overwhelming as to desiring NCI to support
all the points in the ARRL petition, except, of
course, any continued code testing."

As I read it, that means that NCI is on record as supporting...

... the ARRL proposal for a new Novice license.

... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Technicians to General

... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Advanceds to Extra

... the ARRL proposal to end code testing for General

... the ARRL proposal for re-farming of the old Novice bands.

In other words, "Let the Great Giveaway Begin".


In other words, you can take NCI's previous positions like all they want
to do is elimninate the code test, nothing else and chuck that, eh?
Who'd a thunk it?

Aren't you a member of NCI, Hans?

Heheheheheh.

only the code test, only the code test, only the code
test.....................

"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| Aren't you a member of NCI, Hans?
|
| Heheheheheh.
|

Aren't you a member of ARRL, Mike? (Which first proposed this "Grand
Giveaway")

Heheheheheh.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| Aren't you a member of NCI, Hans?
|
| Heheheheheh.
|

Aren't you a member of ARRL, Mike? (Which first proposed this "Grand
Giveaway")

Heheheheheh.


Yes, I am a member of ARRL. But last time I checked, if you don't toe
the party line in NCI, you aren't allowed in NCI.

And that my friend, is no laughing matter.


ARRL appears to tolerate disagreement.


- mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| But last time I checked, if you don't toe
| the party line in NCI, you aren't allowed in NCI.
|
| And that my friend, is no laughing matter.
|

Sunuvagun, you seem to be wrong again. I have VIOLENTLY disagreed with
NCI on the notion of free Tech-to-General upgrades, both here in public
and in private email with the directors. Since they haven't
excommunicated me, I guess that the laugh is on you, my friend.

Heheheheheh! (Or is it BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!)

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| But last time I checked, if you don't toe
| the party line in NCI, you aren't allowed in NCI.
|
| And that my friend, is no laughing matter.
|

Sunuvagun, you seem to be wrong again. I have VIOLENTLY disagreed with
NCI on the notion of free Tech-to-General upgrades, both here in public
and in private email with the directors. Since they haven't
excommunicated me, I guess that the laugh is on you, my friend.

Heheheheheh! (Or is it BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!)


So it has ALWAYS been a policy that NCI has supported reductions in the
written elements? We've been told otherwise in here and elsewhere. Or is
this something new, and they are broadening their horizons?


And *you* might be skirting article 4 part 2, perhaps?


Massive credibility problem here. Laugh as necessary!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Jason Hsu" wrote in message
. com...

| Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose
| automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now
| that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part
| of the proposal.

People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all
existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That
suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box.
Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI
members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie.

Thank you for that fair and equitable objective viewpoint,
seasoned old sea salt.

What's the percentage of the ARRL membership that are Techs
compared to other classes? Remember that the no-code-test
Tech license is over a third of ALL amateur licensees in the US.

ARRL membership was down to 21% of all US ham licensees
in December. Down from July and that down from December a
year before.

See any connections there? :-)

LHA / WMD

"Mike Coslo" wrote


|
| Massive credibility problem here. Laugh as necessary!
|

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! SNICKER!!!!! CHORTLE!!!!!!!!
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!!

"Len Over 21" wrote
|
| Thank you for that fair and equitable objective viewpoint,
| seasoned old sea salt.
|

My viewpoint makes no effort to be "fair and equitable" whatever the
phuck that is. My viewpoints are reasoned, honest, and forthright. If
you can't tolerate honesty, then get out of the kitchen.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

Subject: Why are so many defending the proposed automatic upgrade from
Tech to Gener
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/15/2004 3:23 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: .net


"Len Over 21" wrote
|
| Thank you for that fair and equitable objective viewpoint,
| seasoned old sea salt.
|

My viewpoint makes no effort to be "fair and equitable" whatever the
phuck that is. My viewpoints are reasoned, honest, and forthright. If
you can't tolerate honesty, then get out of the kitchen.

I'd certainly call them "forthright" and since they are usually
well-stated I'd call them "honest". "Reasoned" in this forum is more
subjective than objective in this forum (my own certainly included)

What I'd like to know is why is it that many, if not most, of the
allegedly post-secondary educated persons find it necessary to use the
profanity to try and effectively express themselves...?!?! Especially those
who go out of thier way to make everyone else aware of just how well educated
they alledgedly are...And DOUBLY especially those who find it "appropriate" to
comment on the "conduct" of others in this forum...?!?!?

73

Steve, K4YZ

"KØHB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| But last time I checked, if you don't toe
| the party line in NCI, you aren't allowed in NCI.
|
| And that my friend, is no laughing matter.
|

Sunuvagun, you seem to be wrong again. I have VIOLENTLY disagreed with
NCI on the notion of free Tech-to-General upgrades,

Please follow the teachings of Ghandi, non-violence.

KØHB wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote


|
| Massive credibility problem here. Laugh as necessary!
|

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! SNICKER!!!!! CHORTLE!!!!!!!!
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!!

See, now don't you feel better?


- Mike KB3EIA -

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

What I'd like to know is why is it that many, if not most, of the
allegedly post-secondary educated persons find it necessary to use the
profanity to try and effectively express themselves...?!?! Especially those
who go out of thier way to make everyone else aware of just how well educated
they alledgedly are...And DOUBLY especially those who find it "appropriate" to
comment on the "conduct" of others in this forum...?!?!?


Seems to be roughly related to the strength of the argument in an
inverse fashion.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Jason Hsu" wrote in message
om...
Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose
automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now
that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part
of the proposal.

Sure is bunkie!

Ain't it just grand?

I realize this might sound radical, but I believe that the current
licensing system, for the most part, is OK. The only change that I
strongly believe should be made is eliminating the 5 wpm Morse Code
exam for all license classes, including Amateur Extra. Until the ARRL
proposal came out, the Morse Code exam was the main controversy. The
proposed automatic upgrades from Tech to General have now stolen much
of the spotlight.

That is because that is how the ARRL wants it to be!!
The yankee-blueblood-old-boys-club in Newingtion
has finally admitted that the stats for HF operators has
been on a steady decline since the mid-80's. All the new
op's have been getting on 2 Meters and 440 FM so they
can talk to their friends during morning and evening
drive time. They have no interest whatsoever, for the majority
of them, to "upgrade" to TRADITIONAL HF mode of
operation because the *mistique* and *unique* ability to
have in your private home a radio that you can talk to
the other side of the USA or into Europe. Not any longer!
Today a teenager with a Dell computer and a DSL connection
can conduct live chat and/or video with their friends across
town or across the country or across the world. And they
don't need any unsightly antennas, limited propagation or
other things to hinder them...plus it's also much cheaper
than ham radio. (besides...from a generational perspective,
what kid or teenager wants to converse with a bunch of
60+ something year-olds on HF radio?) Face it boys.
The REAL REASON this is being done is the ARRL
***knows*** that within 10-15 years, most of the current
hams who use HF will be DEAD OF OLD AGE AND
OR IT'S COMPLICATIONS THEROF. Along with that
the subscription rate for QST (..and CQ Magazine also)
is steadly declining each year. Ham radio is on it's death
bed boys, the sooner you admit it, the better you'll feel.
We have *nothing* to offer the current youthfull generation
but a pile of obsolete technology which they not only have
no interest whatsoever in, but look upon the same and it's
current users as being both eccentric and wierd. As one 13
year old said to me at a ham radio demo last year: "What do
I want with just a microphone and a speaker? I can video
conference with my friends online at once and swap music
from home". The next generation has spoken boys!

Ham Radio is OBSOLETE. That is the root cause of the
problem issue. Ham radio will be DEAD in 20 years just
like the automobile replaced the horsebuggy.

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

What I'd like to know is why is it that many, if not most, of the
allegedly post-secondary educated persons find it necessary to use the
profanity to try and effectively express themselves...?!?! Especially those
who go out of thier way to make everyone else aware of just how well educated
they alledgedly are...And DOUBLY especially those who find it "appropriate" to
comment on the "conduct" of others in this forum...?!?!?


Seems to be roughly related to the strength of the argument in an
inverse fashion.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Wonder if Hans was a professional Sailor?

Wonder if he ever heard the skipper swear an order?

"William" wrote

| Wonder if he ever heard the skipper swear an order?

Awww, the girls are all a-twitter because a sailor used a bad word!
Isn't that special! Maybe they'll tell their mommies there's a sailor
talking naughty on rrap! I hope so, because I've heard that their
mommies like sailors very much.

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain,
involved in many kinds of motivation. Among other functions, the
hypothalamus controls the "Four F's":

1. fighting;
2. fleeing;
3. feeding; and
4. mating.

Mate you very much.

As Always,
Hans, K0HB

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain,
involved in many kinds of motivation. Among other functions, the
hypothalamus controls the "Four F's":

1. fighting;
2. fleeing;
3. feeding; and
4. mating.

Mate you very much.

As Always,
Hans, K0HB

Fornication .......na ....... 73 Tom KI3R

Similarly, it is not appropriate for FISTS to comment on anything
other than Morse Code. So why do they do it? Why aren't you
addressing this injustice?

I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code testing.
The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING Morse Code,
not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The leaders should have
either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse Code
requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of themselves instead
of on behalf of FISTS.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

Why isn't NCI .......NCTI ....... Should have testing in there as I have
read repeatedly that the group is only against testing ...... Oh well
Back on 40 CW ....

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

"garigue" wrote

|
| Fornication .......na ....... 73 Tom KI3R
|

Careful Tom.... no "f" words around here or the sanctimonious USMC
Profanity Police will incarcerate in the RRAP brig.

73, de Hans, K0HB

All these proposals need to stop for a while and what we as a ham community
NEED to work on is:

1. Improving P.R. of the hobby.

2. Strengthening from within (continued training etc.)

3. Keeping existing hams active.

Ham Radio, although it has gone through many changes in the past 50+ years,
it does not need to change any further than it is now, except the written
testing needs to be a little more tougher, but that can be changed at the
VE/VEC level and does not necessarily require alot on the FCC part.

Keep the requirements where they are now, and don't lessen it further. Work
on making Ham Radio stronger from within.

Ryan KC8PMX


"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jason Hsu" wrote in message
om...

| Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose
| automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now
| that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part
| of the proposal.

People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all
existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That
suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box.
Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI
members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie.

The biggest thing that the ARRL needs to do right now, and would have
positive "rippling effects" not only through ham radio but within the
organization itself, is to work on getting that roughly 75% of hams as
subscribers!

Not only would they have a ton more of money to "defend" (still remains to
be proven as to exactly how they do that......) amateur radio, but would
allow for "benefits" as well, and of course allowing a slightly cheaper
subscription cost. One thing that needs to be done, and might get more to
sign up is to do something like this:

1st year membership= Free (but some limitation on benefits) (kinda like an
assocaite membership as opposed to FULL membership

2nd year membership=Reduced cost

3rd year membership=Normal price


Another thing that could be done is to have some type of incentive program.
If you "sponsor" or "sell" the idea of membership to new applicants, you get
some type of kickback on your membership for each person like $1 or so per
person that gets a new membership or re-joins after a certain minimum length
of absence.


Ryan KC8PMX


What's the percentage of the ARRL membership that are Techs
compared to other classes? Remember that the no-code-test
Tech license is over a third of ALL amateur licensees in the US.

ARRL membership was down to 21% of all US ham licensees
in December. Down from July and that down from December a
year before.

See any connections there? :-)

LHA / WMD

"garigue" wrote in message news:%Qggc.159983$K91.412790@attbi_s02...
Similarly, it is not appropriate for FISTS to comment on anything
other than Morse Code. So why do they do it? Why aren't you
addressing this injustice?

I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code testing.
The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING Morse Code,
not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The leaders should have
either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse Code
requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of themselves instead
of on behalf of FISTS.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

Why isn't NCI .......NCTI ....... Should have testing in there as I have
read repeatedly that the group is only against testing ...... Oh well
Back on 40 CW ....

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?

Subject: Why are so many defending the proposed automatic upgrade from
Tech to General?
From: (William)
Date: 4/18/2004 5:18 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?

On the other hand...

The fist has also represented skilled trade unions, unity and solidarity.

That it represents a "symbol of violence" is more or less true if you are
presdisposed to looking for violence. Once sees what one wants, I suppose.

73

Steve, K4YZ

I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code testing.
The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING Morse Code,
not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The leaders should have
either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse Code
requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of themselves instead
of on behalf of FISTS.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

Why isn't NCI .......NCTI ....... Should have testing in there as I
have
read repeatedly that the group is only against testing ...... Oh well
Back on 40 CW ....

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?


Nope .....a symbol of anatomy used to describe a good CW op as in he has a
good fist .....which I have heard used repeatedly over the years ...I guess
it is a lot simpler to say that than ..... that fellow can really coordinate
the use of his thumb-middle and index finger and his forearm to send good
signals ......na .....I guess it has degenerated into the pressing of a
mike button to complain about one's health problems or making bizarre
noises either on purpose or by some wildly compressed splattering signal to
make up for poor operating skill Oh BTW don't forget my 10-10 number. But
I guess that pounding brass is more violent than flapping one's jaw

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

"garigue" wrote in
news:pJEgc.164828$K91.421193@attbi_s02:



I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code
testing.
The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING Morse
Code, not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The leaders should
have
either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse
Code requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of
themselves instead of on behalf of FISTS.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

Why isn't NCI .......NCTI ....... Should have testing in there
as I have read repeatedly that the group is only against testing
...... Oh well Back on 40 CW ....

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?


Nope .....a symbol of anatomy used to describe a good CW op as in he
has a good fist .....which I have heard used repeatedly over the years
...I guess it is a lot simpler to say that than ..... that fellow can
really coordinate the use of his thumb-middle and index finger and his
forearm to send good signals ......na .....I guess it has degenerated
into the pressing of a mike button to complain about one's health
problems or making bizarre noises either on purpose or by some wildly
compressed splattering signal to make up for poor operating skill Oh
BTW don't forget my 10-10 number. But I guess that pounding brass is
more violent than flapping one's jaw

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.




You really don't like phone do you? Nobody's forcing you to tune up to the
phone end of the band!

Alun wrote in message . ..
"garigue" wrote in
news:pJEgc.164828$K91.421193@attbi_s02:



I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code
testing.
The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING Morse
Code, not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The leaders should
have
either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse
Code requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of
themselves instead of on behalf of FISTS.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

Why isn't NCI .......NCTI ....... Should have testing in there
as I have read repeatedly that the group is only against testing
...... Oh well Back on 40 CW ....

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?


Nope .....a symbol of anatomy used to describe a good CW op as in he
has a good fist .....which I have heard used repeatedly over the years
...I guess it is a lot simpler to say that than ..... that fellow can
really coordinate the use of his thumb-middle and index finger and his
forearm to send good signals ......na .....I guess it has degenerated
into the pressing of a mike button to complain about one's health
problems or making bizarre noises either on purpose or by some wildly
compressed splattering signal to make up for poor operating skill Oh
BTW don't forget my 10-10 number. But I guess that pounding brass is
more violent than flapping one's jaw

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

You really don't like phone do you? Nobody's forcing you to tune up to the
phone end of the band!

Definitely a phonaphobe!

If I recall my Morse Code instruction, you don't use your fist on the
key. You gently hold the knob between your between your thumb and
index (and middle) finger.

Ah well, it's all going away soon anyhow.

Alun wrote:
(William) wrote in
m:


Alun wrote in message
...

"garigue" wrote in
news:pJEgc.164828$K91.421193@attbi_s02:


I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code
testing.
The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING
Morse Code, not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The
leaders should have
either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse
Code requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of
themselves instead of on behalf of FISTS.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

Why isn't NCI .......NCTI ....... Should have testing in
there as I have read repeatedly that the group is only against
testing ...... Oh well Back on 40 CW ....

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?


Nope .....a symbol of anatomy used to describe a good CW op as in he
has a good fist .....which I have heard used repeatedly over the
years ...I guess it is a lot simpler to say that than ..... that
fellow can really coordinate the use of his thumb-middle and index
finger and his forearm to send good signals ......na .....I guess
it has degenerated into the pressing of a mike button to complain
about one's health problems or making bizarre noises either on
purpose or by some wildly compressed splattering signal to make up
for poor operating skill Oh BTW don't forget my 10-10 number. But
I guess that pounding brass is more violent than flapping one's jaw

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

You really don't like phone do you? Nobody's forcing you to tune up to
the phone end of the band!

Definitely a phonaphobe!

If I recall my Morse Code instruction, you don't use your fist on the
key. You gently hold the knob between your between your thumb and
index (and middle) finger.

Ah well, it's all going away soon anyhow.


Already gone in Switzerland, the UK, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands,
Norway, Papua Niugini, etc. Soon to go in France (awaiting a signature). It
will go here too when the FCC eventually gets it's act together.

And you're right, you aren't supposed to use your fist, but I suppose their
name does come from the 'good fist' expression.

We all have an agenda, I suppose. I happen to think it's just plain wrong
to force phone ops to learn code. And yes, we were forced. I had to learn
20wpm to get on the DX end of the phone subbands, and don't tell me I
'chose' to do that, 'cos I didn't.

Don't worry, Alun. they are making up for the injustices forced upon
you and me by making sure that we are not forcing much of anything on
anybody soon.

People that only wanted to talk on their radios were being forced to
learn some stupid theory and other likewise irrelevant (to them)
material just to get the license.

The No-code people are getting what they asked for, although not
necessarily what they wanted.

We embark on an interesting social experiment in the Amateur radio service.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?


Nope .....a symbol of anatomy used to describe a good CW op as in he
has a good fist .....which I have heard used repeatedly over the years
...I guess it is a lot simpler to say that than ..... that fellow can
really coordinate the use of his thumb-middle and index finger and his
forearm to send good signals ......na .....I guess it has degenerated
into the pressing of a mike button to complain about one's health
problems or making bizarre noises either on purpose or by some wildly
compressed splattering signal to make up for poor operating skill Oh
BTW don't forget my 10-10 number. But I guess that pounding brass is
more violent than flapping one's jaw

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.




You really don't like phone do you? Nobody's forcing you to tune up to the
phone end of the band!

No Alun I like phone .....I get on 2 meters with the local hams ...if you
are ever on I-70 give a call on the 147.27 machine. I do, admittedly on
occasion, get on HF phone and have had good conversations with others. I
will say how ever that most of the poorest operating practices occur there.
I derive more hassle free operation via CW and data. The above was in
response to a mildly thought out troll.

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Definitely a phonaphobe!

I am not afraid of phone on a personal level ....but I forsee the
destruction of the CW portions of the band if subbands are not maintained
....ditto I may say regarding the displacement of data.







If I recall my Morse Code instruction, you don't use your fist on the
key. You gently hold the knob between your between your thumb and
index (and middle) finger.

Ah well, it's all going away soon anyhow.

William ...we are all going away sooner or later ...... I am not going to
rent my cloak or sit in the neighborhood ash pit pouring the same over my
brow when and if CW leaves. There are a myriad of things that interest me
and when CW goes ....it goes.


73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

We all have an agenda, I suppose. I happen to think it's just plain wrong
to force phone ops to learn code. And yes, we were forced. I had to learn
20wpm to get on the DX end of the phone subbands, and don't tell me I
'chose' to do that, 'cos I didn't.

Ya ya did ....lest you would not be operating with a "ham" ticket. Just
like I had to learn obscure musculature functions that I have not needed
since my state boards 32 years ago. It is all a part of the process defined
by others and bemoaned by the underlings but that is the way it was and is
....don't want to do it fine ....then take another tack.

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.

Don't worry, Alun. they are making up for the injustices forced upon
you and me by making sure that we are not forcing much of anything on
anybody soon.

People that only wanted to talk on their radios were being forced to
learn some stupid theory and other likewise irrelevant (to them)
material just to get the license.

The No-code people are getting what they asked for, although not
necessarily what they wanted.

We embark on an interesting social experiment in the Amateur radio
service.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Yepper Mike just like that little fellow in QST who viewed a safety error
.....hold on to your hats ...say what you will but we are all in for an
interesting ride.

73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa.

"garigue" wrote in
news:vWXgc.532$GR.73467@attbi_s01:



Why does a Morse/Farnsworth Code advocacy group use a symbol of
violence for their name?


Nope .....a symbol of anatomy used to describe a good CW op as in he
has a good fist .....which I have heard used repeatedly over the
years ...I guess it is a lot simpler to say that than ..... that
fellow can really coordinate the use of his thumb-middle and index
finger and his forearm to send good signals ......na .....I guess
it has degenerated into the pressing of a mike button to complain
about one's health problems or making bizarre noises either on
purpose or by some wildly compressed splattering signal to make up
for poor operating skill Oh BTW don't forget my 10-10 number. But
I guess that pounding brass is more violent than flapping one's jaw

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.




You really don't like phone do you? Nobody's forcing you to tune up to
the phone end of the band!

No Alun I like phone .....I get on 2 meters with the local hams ...if
you are ever on I-70 give a call on the 147.27 machine. I do,
admittedly on occasion, get on HF phone and have had good conversations
with others. I will say how ever that most of the poorest operating
practices occur there. I derive more hassle free operation via CW and
data. The above was in response to a mildly thought out troll.

73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa.




I passed that way a few days ago. I use the turnpike to visit my cousin in
Michigan (I am in Maryland). I might just try calling you next time,
although I'm not sure when that will be.

73 de Alun, N3KIP