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May 30th 04, 02:50 PM
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Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/29/2004 5:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Leo writes: The FACTS are that MARS needs those civilian operators to make the program work. Actually, no. Actually, yes. Withdrawl of Amatuer assets would result in an overall loss that would cripple the program. Without those participants there'd be nothing to be "affiliated" with. Something to remember on our national holiday of Memorial. It's enlightening to see what you consider memorable, considering that you seem to forget honor and respect the rest of the year. Thanks for the historical piece on MARS. Your cut-and-paste skills are at an all time high. No Amatuer Radio = No MARS. It really is THAT simple. Steve, K4YZ |
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May 31st 04, 12:33 AM
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Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/30/2004 11:58 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Withdrawl of Amatuer assets would result in an overall loss that would cripple the program. Without those participants there'd be nothing to be "affiliated" with. MARS never worked with "amatuer assets." BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! So, Lennie...Those thousands of persons who have membership in the various branch progrmas are NOT an ASSET to those programs...?!?! WHAT AN IDIOT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! You've never read DoD Directive 4650.2 (21 Nov 03) have you? You've never been a member of those programs and have PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE in what makes them tick, have you...?!?!? MARS was never created, implemented, or directed to be a PART of regular military tactical or strategic communications. It was created - essentially - for morale and public relations activities, a link between civilians and military. Over the years the role of MARS has shifted from the morale and PR aspect to being a "go-between" between established military communications and government emergency and aid agencies. OK...SO you AGREE with what I've been saying all along then! No Amatuer Radio = No MARS. Again, MARS never worked with "amatuer radio." And again, your ignorance is showing! Your original assertion was (see thread title) "MARS is amateur radio." That original assertion is WRONG. That you cannot think in the abstract is flamingly obvious! MARS is (obviously) MILITARY. A "military" program that DEPENDS upon licnesed Amateurs to run. MARS was originally created BY the military. It exists today on its own as organic with the military structure and can function by itself. The 2002 exercise of Grecian Firebolt over four weeks back two years ago proved that. You try to backpedal by changing your assertion that "No amateur radio = no MARS." That too is WRONG. MARS hasn't had the word "amateur" in its acronym since 1948. Doesn't matter. In order to accomplish it's tasked goals, MARS needs those lincesed Amateurs in order to function. The FCC didn't create MARS nor does it regulate it. Department of Defense authorizes MARS (see Directive 4650.2). Why do you keep trying to make an issue of this, Lennie? I've never mentioned the FCC in any of these exchanges? It really is THAT simple. Yes, what I've explained IS simple...but you REFUSE to accept reality outside your imagination. Twice, really, first in the original assertion and then in the revised form, both of which are incorrect. You stubbornly insist you are right, almost in outrage (once again misspelling "amateur" twice, as done in previous postings). You've only quoted from published manuals and directives. It still does not accurately reflect the true character of the MARS programs. There's nothing INaccurate in what you've QUOTED when you've quoted it, it's just that YOU refuse to accept that CURRENT MARS PRACTICE AND NEEDS are DEPENDENT upon LICENSED RADIO AMATEURS to fulfill. That's a sign of a disordered mind (along with refusal to accept reality and constant displayed sociopathy). Get mental help. What YOU have demonstrated is that YOU are trying to express an opinion based upon purely theoretical or stricty "by the book" definitions and DO NOT understand the actual functionings of ANY of the programs. I again ask you how many MARSGRAMS have YOU processed? How many phonepatches for AFLOAT units have you ran? How's that Navy-Marine Corps MARS application going? Please, Lennie...show us what PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE you have in ANY MARS program....Of course you can always regale us with your exploits of 63 years ago... Steve, K4YZ |
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May 31st 04, 02:08 AM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/30/2004 11:58 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Withdrawl of Amatuer assets would result in an overall loss that would cripple the program. Without those participants there'd be nothing to be "affiliated" with. MARS never worked with "amatuer assets." BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! So, Lennie...Those thousands of persons who have membership in the various branch progrmas are NOT an ASSET to those programs...?!?! WHAT AN IDIOT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! You wrote "amatuer" twice instead of the proper word "amateur." Neither MARS nor the FCC has used "amatuers." You have a near-constant tendency to misspell "amateur" in the haste you seem to have (or possibly outrage, anger) to attempt "cutting me off at the knees." :-) You've never read DoD Directive 4650.2 (21 Nov 03) have you? You've never been a member of those programs and have PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE in what makes them tick, have you...?!?!? Actually, I've operated one MARS transmitter allowed at the ADA site long ago. Otherwise, no, I've never "operated MARS." Closest I got to interplanetary communications was with the ALSEP stations placed on the moon. Did supervise unmanned spacecraft assembly that (eventually) orbited Mars. On Terra, I've not been required to be an attorney of any kind in reading and understanding of various laws from the government, nor did I need to be any kind of commissioned officer in the military to read and understand military specifications. MARS was never created, implemented, or directed to be a PART of regular military tactical or strategic communications. It was created - essentially - for morale and public relations activities, a link between civilians and military. Over the years the role of MARS has shifted from the morale and PR aspect to being a "go-between" between established military communications and government emergency and aid agencies. OK...SO you AGREE with what I've been saying all along then! Not at all. You've said "MARS is amateur radio." That's false. MARS is MILITARY. No Amatuer Radio = No MARS. Again, MARS never worked with "amatuer radio." And again, your ignorance is showing! MARS likes to get volunteers from amateur radio, NOT "amatuer radio." There's no such thing as "amatuer radio." :-) Your original assertion was (see thread title) "MARS is amateur radio." That original assertion is WRONG. That you cannot think in the abstract is flamingly obvious! I'd say it is a case of you not being able to "think" at all. MARS is MILITARY by DoD Directive, by regulations from all three military branches. The FCC doesn't define MARS, doesn't and cannot regulate it. MARS is (obviously) MILITARY. A "military" program that DEPENDS upon licnesed Amateurs to run. No. MARS is "run" by military personnel. U.S. Army MARS Hq is NETCOM at Fort Huachuca, AZ. They use military radio equipment for MARS there. MARS was originally created BY the military. It exists today on its own as organic with the military structure and can function by itself. The 2002 exercise of Grecian Firebolt over four weeks back two years ago proved that. You try to backpedal by changing your assertion that "No amateur radio = no MARS." That too is WRONG. MARS hasn't had the word "amateur" in its acronym since 1948. Doesn't matter. It did to the U.S. Army. It created the predecessor of MARS in the AARS or Army Amateur Radio Service in 1925. Newly- created USAF joined in 1948 and the AARS was renamed MARS. In order to accomplish it's tasked goals, MARS needs those lincesed Amateurs in order to function. MARS doesn't use "lincesed amateurs." VOLUNTEERS for MARS operations come from "licensed amateurs." The FCC didn't create MARS nor does it regulate it. Department of Defense authorizes MARS (see Directive 4650.2). Why do you keep trying to make an issue of this, Lennie? I've never mentioned the FCC in any of these exchanges? MARS is MILITARY. Radio amateurs are licensed (not "lincesed") by the FCC. FCC can only license (not "lincese") CIVIL radio, not military. It really is THAT simple. Yes, what I've explained IS simple...but you REFUSE to accept reality outside your imagination. Twice, really, first in the original assertion and then in the revised form, both of which are incorrect. You stubbornly insist you are right, almost in outrage (once again misspelling "amateur" twice, as done in previous postings). You've only quoted from published manuals and directives. It still does not accurately reflect the true character of the MARS programs. Your "reflections on true character" exist only in your mind. MARS is adequately described by MILITARY directives and regulations. Some MARS operations have been written up in the Army Center for Military History. If you wish to imagine that your volunteerism with any MARS makes you a part of the military service, that is just your imagination working too hard. There's nothing INaccurate in what you've QUOTED when you've quoted it, it's just that YOU refuse to accept that CURRENT MARS PRACTICE AND NEEDS are DEPENDENT upon LICENSED RADIO AMATEURS to fulfill. No again. MARS can operate by itself, using just military personnel. It did that in Grecian Thunderbolt 2002 for four weeks according to the quarterly Army Communicator. What YOU have demonstrated is that YOU are trying to express an opinion based upon purely theoretical or stricty "by the book" definitions and DO NOT understand the actual functionings of ANY of the programs. No. I've merely stated the reality of MARS along with some of its known history. As a licensed radio amateur (not a "lincesed" one) you have to both operate and conduct yourself "by the book" of Part 97 in order to retain your amateur radio license (not "lincese") grant. I again ask you how many MARSGRAMS have YOU processed? I've tried to send three of those MARS messages through the local FEC Hq. MARS detachment. They never got forwarded. Surface mail was far more reliable. :-) How many phonepatches for AFLOAT units have you ran? "AFLOAT?" Is that some kind of MARS auxilliary? :-) How's that Navy-Marine Corps MARS application going? Why are you so concerned about "applying to Navy MARS?" I've never said that I wanted to participate in MARS. Please, Lennie...show us what PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE you have in ANY MARS program....Of course you can always regale us with your exploits of 63 years ago... "Regale exploits of 63 years ago?!?" :-) 63 years ago would make it the year 1941. I was 8 years old then. You didn't exist in 1941. Your parents were never able to bear children in 1941. They should have stayed with that ability. :-) Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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#5
June 1st 04, 09:01 AM
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Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio".
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/30/2004 7:08 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: So, Lennie...Those thousands of persons who have membership in the various branch progrmas are NOT an ASSET to those programs...?!?! WHAT AN IDIOT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! You wrote "amatuer" twice instead of the proper word "amateur." Neither MARS nor the FCC has used "amatuers." You have a near-constant tendency to misspell "amateur" in the haste you seem to have (or possibly outrage, anger) to attempt "cutting me off at the knees." I see. You make idiotic replies based solely upon a typo. Which makes you even MORE idiotic, considering your alleged education. VOLUNTEERS for MARS operations come from "licensed amateurs." So other than your attempt to "undermine" my points based upon a transposed letter, we can again assume that you agree with me that MARS depends upon these licensed Amateurs to run the program. If you wish to imagine that your volunteerism with any MARS makes you a part of the military service, that is just your imagination working too hard. If YOU wish to try and suppose that, then you are welcome to. It seems to me that you have an unwavering hatred of anyone who's done anything you HAVEN'T done, or HAS done, only better. I again ask you how many MARSGRAMS have YOU processed? I've tried to send three of those MARS messages through the local FEC Hq. MARS detachment. They never got forwarded. Surface mail was far more reliable. Uh huh. How many phonepatches for AFLOAT units have you ran? "AFLOAT?" Is that some kind of MARS auxilliary? Yet another demosntration of your lack of experience. How's that Navy-Marine Corps MARS application going? Why are you so concerned about "applying to Navy MARS?" You said that N/MC MARS regualtions didn't specify a need for licensure in the Amateur Radio Service to be a member. You said you could do it. I was waiting to see if you could/would, if only to prove you could. You didn't, obviously, which is exactly what I would expect of you. A lot of blustery brogadaccio with no net effect. I've never said that I wanted to participate in MARS. Under current circumstances, you won't be allowed to. Please, Lennie...show us what PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE you have in ANY MARS program....Of course you can always regale us with your exploits of 63 years ago... "Regale exploits of 63 years ago?!?" :-) 63 years ago would make it the year 1941. I was 8 years old then. You didn't exist in 1941. Your parents were never able to bear children in 1941. Oh? You know my parents? You know when they married? You know that I am the youngest/oldest of the family? Forgive my math error. I forgive you many of yours. None the less, it remains that the ONLY "military" communications experience you have was over half a century ago. NONE of it in any MARS program. They should have stayed with that ability. As should have yours. Speaking of which, when are we gonna get the scopp on YOUR child rearing experiences? Still waiting on the source of your background for the assertion that Amateur licenses should be age-limitied Temper fry... Not here... Steve, K4YZ |
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#6
June 1st 04, 11:42 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: MARS IS "Amateur Radio". From: (Len Over 21) Date: 5/30/2004 7:08 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: So, Lennie...Those thousands of persons who have membership in the various branch progrmas are NOT an ASSET to those programs...?!?! WHAT AN IDIOT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! You wrote "amatuer" twice instead of the proper word "amateur." Neither MARS nor the FCC has used "amatuers." You have a near-constant tendency to misspell "amateur" in the haste you seem to have (or possibly outrage, anger) to attempt "cutting me off at the knees." I see. It's about time... :-) You make idiotic replies based solely upon a typo. I just reply to your idiocy of claiming "MARS is amateur radio." MARS is military, by directive, by definition. Which makes you even MORE idiotic, considering your alleged education. No. The only thing that could be considered "idiotic" is the vain hope that you could understand government directives and regulations. You do not. VOLUNTEERS for MARS operations come from "licensed amateurs." So other than your attempt to "undermine" my points based upon a transposed letter, we can again assume that you agree with me that MARS depends upon these licensed Amateurs to run the program. No, "we" cannot. MARS has worked okay by itself, such as in the four-week exercise Grecian Firebolt 2002. You have constantly stated an obvious error that "MARS is amateur radio." It is not. MARS is military. If you wish to imagine that your volunteerism with any MARS makes you a part of the military service, that is just your imagination working too hard. If YOU wish to try and suppose that, then you are welcome to. You have constantly stated that "MARS is amateur radio." It is not. MARS is militrary. Everyone can come to the conclusion that you wish to associate yourself with the military even though you your military service was terminated. One way to do that is make the false, misleading statement that "MARS is amateur radio." It seems to me that you have an unwavering hatred of anyone who's done anything you HAVEN'T done, or HAS done, only better. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Correcting a false statement (such as your "MARS is amateur radio") is nothing involving hatred. Your stubborn and ill-tempered attempt to convince all that you are "correct" makes you want to misdirect the "argument" into personal attacks on others or that others are "incorrect." MARS is military. By directive, by regulation. You said that N/MC MARS regualtions didn't specify a need for licensure in the Amateur Radio Service to be a member. You said you could do it. I was waiting to see if you could/would, if only to prove you could. Anyone can look at USN-USMC Communications Instruction NTP 8(C) and see that for themselves. No one has to "join" a USN MARS group (by volunteering) in order to read that. You didn't, obviously, which is exactly what I would expect of you. Incorrect. I found the appropriate USN-USMC regulation, named it, gave a website for others to get it and read it. Nothing has changed in the interim. A lot of blustery brogadaccio with no net effect. Nothing of the kind. I presented information. That information, indeed all sources of MARS information, makes your statement "MARS is amateur radio" false. You need to admit your statement was false and carry on. Refusal to deny your falsity fools no one...except yourself. Please, Lennie...show us what PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE you have in ANY MARS program....Of course you can always regale us with your exploits of 63 years ago... "Regale exploits of 63 years ago?!?" :-) 63 years ago would make it the year 1941. I was 8 years old then. You didn't exist in 1941. Your parents were never able to bear children in 1941. Oh? You know my parents? You know when they married? You know that I am the youngest/oldest of the family? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Another case of refusing to admit you made another wrong statement or error in typing. :-) A marriage ceremony and legal papers thereto is not a requirement to have a child. [nature and biology have their own rules...] Are you now saying you are illegitimate? :-) Forgive my math error. I forgive you many of yours. None the less, it remains that the ONLY "military" communications experience you have was over half a century ago. NONE of it in any MARS program. Incorrect. One of the 43 transmitters at U.S. Army radio station ADA was allowed second priority in use for the U.S. Army MARS group attached to Headquarters, United States Forces, Far East in 1953 to 1955. That MARS group (approximately four service personnel) obtained their own HF radio station moved to Hardy Barracks in 1955 after ADA transmitters had moved from Tsukishima to Kashiwa. They had a nice multiband beam, rotatable, on a tower at Hardy in 1955. Speaking of which, when are we gonna get the scopp on YOUR child rearing experiences? Still waiting on the source of your background for the assertion that Amateur licenses should be age-limitied Tsk, tsk, tsk. [the word should be "scoop" not 'scopp.' :-) ] Misdirection. The six-year-old ranting about my Comment on Docket 98-143 is not a part of this subject thread and has nothing to do with MARS. That other thread was ranted by long-timers two years after my Comment had been made public. Sore heads. Can't let dead horses be, have to beat them incessantly. :-) "Necro-equine flaggelation." :-) Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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