"JJ" wrote
| |
| | And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| | include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do
include
| | amateur radio.
| |
|
| I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
| planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once
included
| amateur radio as a component of that planning.
|
|
| You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS
station or
| used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???
|
|
| In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval
personel
| aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have
the
| logs I kept of each patch.

Sorry JJ,

MARS is not amateur radio.

Even if it were, phone patches home to Mom are great morale boosters,
but they not "emergency planning".

73, de Hans, K0HB
ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

KØHB wrote:

"JJ" wrote
| |
| | And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| | include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do
include
| | amateur radio.
| |
|
| I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
| planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once
included
| amateur radio as a component of that planning.
|
|
| You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS
station or
| used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???
|
|
| In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval
personel
| aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have
the
| logs I kept of each patch.

Sorry JJ,

MARS is not amateur radio.

Even if it were, phone patches home to Mom are great morale boosters,
but they not "emergency planning".

Where did I say MARS was amateur radio? I did not even mention MARS.
These were phone patches made on the amateur bands by Naval personnel
who held amateur radio licenses.

"JJ" wrote

| | | And that is why the military and other emergency officials do
not
| | | include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do

|
| Where did I say MARS was amateur radio? I did not even mention MARS.
| These were phone patches made on the amateur bands by Naval personnel
| who held amateur radio licenses.
|

Been there, done that. It's just amateurs passing third party morale
traffic to other amateurs and has nothing whatever to do with "emergency
planning".

73, de Hans, K0HB

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/23/2004 1:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JJ" wrote

| In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval
personel
| aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have
the
| logs I kept of each patch.

Sorry JJ,

MARS is not amateur radio.

Even if it were, phone patches home to Mom are great morale boosters,
but they not "emergency planning".


Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

Prerequisite #1 for ALL branches is licensure in the Amatuer Radio
Service.

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide Coordinator for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/23/2004 1:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JJ" wrote

| In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval
personel
| aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have
the
| logs I kept of each patch.

Sorry JJ,

MARS is not amateur radio.

Even if it were, phone patches home to Mom are great morale boosters,
but they not "emergency planning".


Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".

Sorry Steve, but MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Prerequisite #1 for ALL branches is licensure in the Amatuer Radio
Service.

There's never been an exception?

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide Coordinator for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

William wrote:

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/


Mars certainly consists of Radio amateurs, and according to

http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/join.htm

you need to be an amateur.

And since you can ba an amateur without being in MARS, yet cannot be in
MARS without being an Amateur..........

Her is something from from

http://www.ieway.com/~billw/wamars.htm

which seems to contradict that the MARS people aren't involved in
emergency work.

Quote start:


In times of emergencies, whether local, regional, or national, you will
find MARS radio operators handling logistics and emergency
communications. A part of our membership is equipped to "go portable"
with radio and computer equipment to help with health and welfare radio
traffic handling. During the recent flooding, members assisted local
authorities relaying messages from families to their relatives and
friends in regards to their situations. After the earthquakes in
California, members also handled messages from the earthquake victims to
others outside the area. All phone systems were disabled or overloaded
and the only efficient means of communication was by radio. Members of
the MARS program were there to lend a hand.

NNN0ZSJ / NNN0GCC Five

Quote end.


So what is it guys. Is this person "innacurate?


While MARS "isn't involved in emergency work", we might read

http://www.marsgateway.net/docs/AR25-6.pdf

and sneak a peek at Chapter 1 paragraph 6, sentence a.

Let me know what it says. ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
William wrote:

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."


http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/


Mars certainly consists of Radio amateurs, and according to

http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/join.htm

you need to be an amateur.

And since you can ba an amateur without being in MARS, yet cannot be in
MARS without being an Amateur..........

Her is something from from

http://www.ieway.com/~billw/wamars.htm

which seems to contradict that the MARS people aren't involved in
emergency work.

Quote start:


In times of emergencies, whether local, regional, or national, you will
find MARS radio operators handling logistics and emergency
communications. A part of our membership is equipped to "go portable"
with radio and computer equipment to help with health and welfare radio
traffic handling. During the recent flooding, members assisted local
authorities relaying messages from families to their relatives and
friends in regards to their situations. After the earthquakes in
California, members also handled messages from the earthquake victims to
others outside the area. All phone systems were disabled or overloaded
and the only efficient means of communication was by radio. Members of
the MARS program were there to lend a hand.

NNN0ZSJ / NNN0GCC Five

Quote end.


So what is it guys. Is this person "innacurate?


While MARS "isn't involved in emergency work", we might read

http://www.marsgateway.net/docs/AR25-6.pdf

and sneak a peek at Chapter 1 paragraph 6, sentence a.

Let me know what it says. ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -


There you go again Mike, upsetting the apple cart with facts. It seems
that some just can't except the fact that amateur radio and the military
have a close relationship and the military does accept amateur radio as
a valuable service when needed, but not cell phones.

JJ wrote in message ...

There you go again Mike, upsetting the apple cart with facts. It seems
that some just can't except the fact that amateur radio and the military
have a close relationship and the military does accept amateur radio as
a valuable service when needed, but not cell phones.

What Mike posted is generally correct.

And nearly anyone who'se anybody in the service has a cell phone on
their hip paid for by you and me. I'd say that the military does
accept cellular telephones as a valuable service daily.

Meanwhile you can call me by name and Mike by name, but we don't know
what to call you.

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/24/2004 11:25 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/23/2004 1:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".

Sorry Steve, but MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to
oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Who cares?

Prerequisite #1 for ALL branches is licensure in the Amatuer Radio
Service.

There's never been an exception?

Enough to completely ignore the fact that 99% of all MARS personnel are
licensed Amateurs? I hardly thionk so.

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

Which ones, Brian?

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide Coordinator
for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

Hardly, Brian.

So...You going to Dayton?

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 4/24/2004 5:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

My bust.

MARS. But I could ALSO ask what experience you have IN AMRS since it was
an Air Force program related to Amateur Radio.

Steve, K4YZ