Cell phone woes
 

In case we didn't have enpough of cell phone stories. 8^)


http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/isabel_cells.html


- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
In case we didn't have enpough of cell phone stories. 8^)


http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/isabel_cells.html


- Mike KB3EIA -

"Cell phones performed as expected -- i.e., not very well -- ".

And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
amateur radio.

"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
In case we didn't have enpough of cell phone stories. 8^)


http://consumeraffairs.com/news03/isabel_cells.html


- Mike KB3EIA -

Go to QRZ.com for some FRS points of view.

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/22/2004 11:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS station or
used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???

I know of four military facilities, one of them Naval, that incorporate
MARS teams for emergency purposes, and two of them that utilize RACES teams for
civil coordination in appropriate scenarios.

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

"Civil Defense guys" include military planners. I just finished
"Heartland Response 04" and I can tell you that there were at least two
uniformed representitives from Penatgon offices there.

Guess they forgot to consult you first, Hans.

Go figure, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

KØHB wrote:
"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.

Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.

73, de Hans, K0HB

NORAD, which is definitely military, does include ham radio in their
plans, so does the Office of Homeland Defense.

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/22/2004 11:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: et


"JJ" wrote
|
| And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do include
| amateur radio.
|

I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once included
amateur radio as a component of that planning.


You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS station or
used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???

I know of four military facilities, one of them Naval, that incorporate
MARS teams for emergency purposes, and two of them that utilize RACES teams for
civil coordination in appropriate scenarios.


Civil Defense guys like FEMA in fact do count on amateur radio in
emergency situations.


"Civil Defense guys" include military planners. I just finished
"Heartland Response 04" and I can tell you that there were at least two
uniformed representitives from Penatgon offices there.

Guess they forgot to consult you first, Hans.

Go figure, eh...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval personel
aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have the
logs I kept of each patch.

"JJ" wrote

| NORAD, which is definitely military, does include ham radio in their
| plans,

bs

"JJ" wrote
| |
| | And that is why the military and other emergency officials do not
| | include cell phones in their emergency planning , but they do
include
| | amateur radio.
| |
|
| I spent a whole career involved in military (Naval) communications
| planning, from single units to entire fleets, and never once
included
| amateur radio as a component of that planning.
|
|
| You never seerved at a Naval facility that didn't have a MARS
station or
| used MARS for passing ANY kind of traffic, Hans...???
|
|
| In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval
personel
| aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have
the
| logs I kept of each patch.

Sorry JJ,

MARS is not amateur radio.

Even if it were, phone patches home to Mom are great morale boosters,
but they not "emergency planning".

73, de Hans, K0HB
ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

KØHB wrote:
"JJ" wrote

| NORAD, which is definitely military, does include ham radio in their
| plans,

bs

BS all you want, but just a few weeks ago I sat in a seminar with USN
Rear Admiral Daniel Stone, Director of Logistics and Engineering for
NORAD/USNORTHCOM and he says differently.